Re: [biofuel] Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Bloke
Have you considered using a "Hiclone"? I am using one in my isuzu at the moment on petro diesel and they work dramaticly , they improve the air/fuel mixing in the chamber. http://www.hicloneqld.com/ this is an aussie site, but they ship international , worth reading anyway. > -Original Me

Re: [biofuel] Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Mati Kokk
Well-know German company with long history and hundreds of patents (some of the patented inventions have been licenced to Audi and Wolksvagen) is selling equipment for retrofitting modern cars to neat (straight) vegetable oil. A year ago ca 500 retrofitted cars were driving on German roads.

Re: [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel prices/an alternative

2001-10-31 Thread jerry dycus
Hi Dana and All, If there ever was a use for producer gas this is it. The ineff of the heat lost to make producer fuel gas isn't a problem because it can be put to use drying the crop too. Use the leftover biomass for the fuel and the ash for the new crop.

Re: [biofuel] Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Neoteric Biofuels
Craig - Better in the sense that there is no computer that is sensitive to viscosity changes, but is that lack of prechamber still going to be a problem long term? You minimize the risk by using biodiesel as startup and shut down fuel, make sure the SVO is very clean, that it's heated suffic

Re: [biofuel] Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Neoteric Biofuels
Hi Mati - The last I looked at Elsbett site, (and tried to sort through it), it appeared that the self-builder kits were only offered for certain prechamber engines, and that they were testing TDi conversions. Are you sure they are selling so-called self-builder kits for TDi? Perhaps they are o

Re: [biofuel] Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Neoteric Biofuels
http://www.elsbett.com/gd/tuniinfe.htm Link above seems to answer my own question. In English. Note comment on Lucas/CAV. - > From: Neoteric Biofuels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:22:38 -0800 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Using co

[biofuel] Atomization (wasUsing cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread craig reece
Terry, So do you think that Tdi's should be able to run SVO, at least as far as atomization is concerned? Thanks, Craig Reece Terry Day wrote: > Atomisation of fuel in a diesel engine is produced by the pressure > through the injector and not the "swirl" in the prechamber. The > prechamber is

[biofuel] Hiclone (was Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread craig reece
Bloke, Thanks for the suggestion. Do you think a Hiclone would be redundant with a turbodiesel, or would it still help? Craig Bloke wrote: > Have you considered using a "Hiclone"? > I am using one in my isuzu at the moment on petro diesel and they work > dramaticly , they improve the air/fue

Re: [biofuel] Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) forfuel

2001-10-31 Thread craig reece
Ed, Thanks for your reply. The injection pump is mechanical, and it's a Bosch rotary R509 type. Do you have an opinion as to it's sensitivity to crud? In any event, I plan to pre-filter any WVO with West Marine's Baja Fuel Filter, a large funnel with several fine-mesh screens, including one tha

Re: DI/IDI/SVO was [biofuel] Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Neoteric Biofuels
Terry - Yes, you are right that atomization itself is accomplished by the injector, and the subsequent air/fuel mixing is a function of the combustion chamber design, so thanks for mentioning this and pointing out the different parts of the process. However, one (air fuel mixing) is dependenton t

Re: [biofuel] Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) forfuel

2001-10-31 Thread Neoteric Biofuels
Craig - You are covering your bets as best you can. The 2 micron filter will be difficult to clean, from my discussion with a Racor distributor it will be impossible - they gave up on them, even at 10 microns, and expense and that problem sent them back to paper filter media. Let us know how it

[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel prices

2001-10-31 Thread k5farms
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "John Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . If I could sell the soy-oil for $5/gal(not > likely) WHY? thats the price its "on sale" for now at Walmart. And yours would have valuable lecithin and b's, I much higher value product. Yahoo! Groups

[biofuel] MB 240D

2001-10-31 Thread greg
several months ago, someone was looking for a MB diesel. i found a 240 d at a good price. if they are still interested contact me. greg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscr

Re: [biofuel] Elsbett and Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Mati Kokk
Neoteric Biofuels asked about Elsbett: Are you sure they are selling so-called self-builder kits for TDi? Perhaps they are only doing in-shop full conversions on the direct injection engines? It was difficult to tell from the site, but that was the impression I got. Can anyone verify what El

RE: [biofuel] Help! Too much acid in wash - is there a fix?

2001-10-31 Thread Ryan Dewald
Hey Shawn, Do you have synthetic hoses on your car? You're probably light years ahead of me on all aspects of biofuel, but just in case, biodiesel will eat away at non-synth hoses so you gotta make sure your car either comes with the right ones or replace them with the right ones. As for what a

Re: [biofuel] Methanol quality?

2001-10-31 Thread Martin Klingensmith
Is methyl-hydrate methanol? --- Shawn Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For my first test, I used lab grade methanol, which is 99.9% pure, and less > than .01% water, but expensive. > If I switch to methyl hydrate from the hardware store (99% pure I think) > can I expect to have problems wit

[biofuel] Help! Too much acid in wash - is there a fix?

2001-10-31 Thread Shawn Wright
I mistakenly added straight glacial acetic acid to my biodiesel just prior to washing today. It is now settling nicely and is almost clear, but the pH is 2.0-2.5 according to a test taken with close range indicator strips on a solution of 50% BD / 50% isopropanol. Is there a safe way to raise the

Re: [biofuel] MB 240D

2001-10-31 Thread Bob Coyne
- Original Message - From: "greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: [biofuel] MB 240D > several months ago, someone was looking for a MB diesel. i found a 240 d at a good price. if they are still interested contact me. greg > > > [Non-text p

Re: [biofuel] MB 240D

2001-10-31 Thread Bob Coyne
- Original Message - From: "greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: [biofuel] MB 240D > several months ago, someone was looking for a MB diesel. i found a 240 d at a good price. if they are still interested contact me. greg > > > [Non-text p

Re: [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel prices

2001-10-31 Thread Brad Magill
I have been doing the feasibility for making BD from crushed canola seeds and have come to the conculsion I could make far more money just selling the oil. In Australia, I can sell BD for around 70 cents a Litre, the oil it self has a wholesale value of around $1 per litre. If your look at it f

Re: [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel prices

2001-10-31 Thread Aidan Wilkins
I will try to take a stab at this one. I am not sure about Australia, but in Canada there are (hundreds) of acres of land left "Falow" (empty) becuase the farmers board keeps a cap on the amount of oil that can be produced for human consumption. So to a farmer that has land "Falow" land

Re: [biofuel] Hiclone (was Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread steve spence
These people also sell fuel magnets. save your money. there is no science behind this, just owner wishing a difference so much they see one. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Sit

Re: [biofuel] Atomization (wasUsing cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread steve spence
TDI's run fine on SVO. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth fro

Re: [biofuel] Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread steve spence
I'm glad you think it does. Did you also buy the fuel magnet? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicem

Re: [biofuel] Methanol quality?

2001-10-31 Thread Shawn Wright
Yes, methyl hydrate, methyl alcohol, wood alcohol, and methanol are all the same. The only difference is purity, where methyl hydrate may only be 98-99% pure, and lab grade methanol is 99.9% pure. I'm not sure if this matters, but I suspect not. I will find out shortly, as I can't afford to use

Re: [biofuel] Hiclone (was Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread craig reece
Thanks. Craig steve spence wrote: > These people also sell fuel magnets. save your money. there is no science > behind this, just owner wishing a difference so much they see one. > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewabl

[biofuel] Tdi's on SVO (was Atomization (wasUsing cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread craig reece
That's good to hear. I'm going to find out. Thanks, Craig steve spence wrote: > TDI's run fine on SVO. > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns

Re: [biofuel] Atomization (wasUsing cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Neoteric Biofuels
"TDI's run fine on SVO." Ok, well, I guess that's the definitive answer. And fuel magnets will save you a ton of money. And Spinny things will increase horsepower, save fuel, etc. Got some science behind your comment, there, Steve? ;-) Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] Atomization (wasUsing cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread steve spence
the fact that we have run them. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the

Re: [biofuel] Hiclone (was Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Bloke
Craig I am using 2 of them on my current turbo diesel , one before and one after turbo , they work great. extra power , extra economy . I drove east coast west coast return (14000 kms in 14 days) and I reckon they paid for themselves. I was using 10litres per 100 km , now I using just over sev

Re: Re: [biofuel] Hiclone (was Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Bloke
Steve I agree on the magnets , I think you ought to have a look at the Hiclone bit though , It does make difference. It did in my vehicle , I got my boss to put one in my work vehicle first , ( his money is more spendable than mine ) and it had good results , after it proved to work , I bought

Re: Re: [biofuel] Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Bloke
I got my boss to buy one , it didnt make any difference much , I didnt. I bought a Hiclone. > -Original Message- > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:21:22 -0500 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) for > fu

Re: [biofuel] Atomization (wasUsing cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread steve spence
should have given you a reference. http://www.talknet.de/~sthl/ Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voic

Re: [biofuel] Hiclone (was Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread steve spence
do you think you could explain how these help add power? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/f

RE: [biofuel] Help! Too much acid in wash - is there a fix?

2001-10-31 Thread Anton Berteuax
make another batch without putting the acvid in it for the settling, and mix the two, they may equalize aech other... anton -Original Message- From: Shawn Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Help! Too m

Re: Re: [biofuel] Hiclone (was Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Bloke
I am no scientist , Im willing to go along with the theory given on the site , more even spread of fuel air mix in cylender , more even burn over entire piston face , better combustion type stuff. I cant explain the reduction in noise of motor either. There is a noticable diference , between

Re: [biofuel] Methanol quality?

2001-10-31 Thread Martin Klingensmith
Let us know how the less expensive methyl hydrate works out. --- Shawn Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, methyl hydrate, methyl alcohol, wood alcohol, and methanol are all > the same. The only difference is purity, where methyl hydrate may only be > 98-99% pure, and lab grade methanol is

RE: [biofuel] Help! Too much acid in wash - is there a fix?

2001-10-31 Thread Shawn Wright
Good idea, but too late... I couldn't wait, and since it was only about 400ml after washing, I fed it directly into the filter on my Jetta TD. No problems, it seemed to run a bit quieter after the BD finally got worked through. I figured it would only take a short while for it to run through

Re: [biofuel] Atomization (wasUsing cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Neoteric Biofuels
For how long? > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:55:49 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Atomization (wasUsing cooking oil (neat) for fuel > > the fact that we have run them. > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewa

Re: [biofuel] Atomization (wasUsing cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Neoteric Biofuels
Which part of Stephan's site is the reference you are pointing to? I'd really like to see something that shows something in the thousands of hours, and quite a lot more than the usual 20 -30k km driven ...with a teardown and inspection at the end, for straight vegoil in a small, modern TDi. Wher

Re: [biofuel] Atomization (wasUsing cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Terry Day
Anything is possible but there are still a lot of variables such as, viscosity and acidity of fuel, cleanliness of fuel (must be exceptionally clean), water content, condition of engine, injector pump and injectors. Fuel can be dried as for biod. and to make sure a small quantity of metholated spi

Re: [biofuel] Atomization (wasUsing cooking oil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread craig reece
Terry, Thanks for the tip on wood alchohol. I've used stuff West Marine sells - Star Brite is one product - that absorbs water. And I'm planning on using their Baja Funnel which is supporsed to filter out water. Craig Terry Day wrote: > Anything is possible but there are still a lot of variabl

[biofuel] Re: Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat)forfuel

2001-10-31 Thread craig reece
Ed, You wrote: > Craig - You are covering your bets as best you can. The 2 micron filter will > be difficult to clean, from my discussion with a Racor distributor it will > be impossible - they gave up on them, even at 10 microns, and expense and > that problem sent them back to paper filter med

[biofuel] Re: Methanol quality?

2001-10-31 Thread jmwelter
Yes, methyl hydrate is methanol. CH3 refers to methyl, and OH refers to a hydrate. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin Klingensmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is methyl-hydrate methanol? > > --- Shawn Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For my first test, I used lab grade methanol, which

Re: [biofuel] Hiclone (was Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cookingoil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread robert luis rabello
Bloke wrote: > I am no scientist , Im willing to go along with the theory given on the site > , more even spread of fuel air mix in cylender , more even burn over entire > piston face , better combustion type stuff. > I cant explain the reduction in noise of motor either. > There is a noti

Re: Re: [biofuel] Hiclone (was Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cookingoil (neat) for fuel

2001-10-31 Thread Bloke
My driving hasnt changed apart from , holding a motor at 2500rpm is holding a motor at 2500rpm I use cruise control , the log book shows the diference. I bet you have never tried one .(Hiclone) even if you con someoneelse to buy it like I did, see for yourself , before you trash it. I like

Re: [biofuel] Re: Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat)forfuel

2001-10-31 Thread Neoteric Biofuels
> From: craig reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:48:18 -0800 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Re: Tdi vs. DI on SVO (was Using cooking oil (neat)forfuel Comments inserted EB > > Ed, > > You wrote: > >> Craig - You a

[biofuels-biz] Re: Iodine number

2001-10-31 Thread gjkimlin
The problem with iodine number is that it effectively measures the number of double bonds in a quantity of fatty acids, generally while they are still attached to the glycerol. The methyl ester of an 18 carbon FA that is saturated has a high freezing point. One or more double bond reduces the