[biofuel] South Korea limiting vehicle use as oil price soars

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/19794/story.htm South Korea limiting vehicle use as oil price soars SOUTH KOREA: February 12, 2003 SEOUL - South Korea, the world's fourth-biggest oil buyer, plans to curb use of passenger cars by state employees and switch off some street li

[biofuels-biz] South Korea limiting vehicle use as oil price soars

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/19794/story.htm South Korea limiting vehicle use as oil price soars SOUTH KOREA: February 12, 2003 SEOUL - South Korea, the world's fourth-biggest oil buyer, plans to curb use of passenger cars by state employees and switch off some street li

[biofuel] Fwd: A Letter to Our Friends in Europe

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
>Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:53:09 -0600 >Subject: A Letter to Our Friends in Europe >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: "AlterNet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Dear AlterNet subscriber: > >With war looming so darkly and protests around the world >planned for this weekend, AlterNet.org has initiated a >global l

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: A Letter to Our Friends in Europe

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
>Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:53:09 -0600 >Subject: A Letter to Our Friends in Europe >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: "AlterNet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Dear AlterNet subscriber: > >With war looming so darkly and protests around the world >planned for this weekend, AlterNet.org has initiated a >global l

[biofuel] Does the US tax code favor gas guzzlers?

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.ems.org/ Environmental Media Services - facts and contacts for journalists Feb. 10 Tax Code Encourages Gas Guzzlers, Critics Say A huge tax break for buyers of the largest SUVs is drawing sharp criticism from environmentalists and public interest advocates. The tax break, which costs

[biofuel] Sorry about multiple postings...

2003-02-11 Thread Appal Energy
Sorry about the multiple postings. Glitch in MS OE. Kept hitting "send" and it kept telling me "could not delete." Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Burning glyc and acrolein -

[biofuels-biz] Does the US tax code favor gas guzzlers?

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.ems.org/ Environmental Media Services - facts and contacts for journalists Feb. 10 Tax Code Encourages Gas Guzzlers, Critics Say A huge tax break for buyers of the largest SUVs is drawing sharp criticism from environmentalists and public interest advocates. The tax break, which costs

[biofuel] 1st Prize!! Was: The oil in Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread csakima
Nah, you wanna hear weird conspiracy theory? I'll take home the first prize trophy .. thank you. I was reading an article in time magazine recently ... I think it was named "Is Bush too much of a wild cowboy?? Should the UN be in the business of referee-ing ALL world affairs .. including War (wh

[biofuel] Re: cost of gasoline

2003-02-11 Thread murdoch
Taxes on fuels are always something worth keeping in mind, but it is not the tax component which has changed recently, at all (unless there has been a change in taxes of which I'm unaware). It is the price outside the tax component. On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:37:47 -0800, you wrote: >Please keep in

Re: [biofuel] Burning glyc and acrolein - was Re: Introduction and somequestions - Newbie

2003-02-11 Thread Appal Energy
How hot is hot? Prolly about as hot as a masonry stove would get, ~1,200*F (?). www.tempcast.com or http://www.vtbrickoven.com/masonry/masonry.html Not the "hot" of a standard wood burner. You might could get away with mixing the catalyst/soap/alcohol ("glycerin layer") with WVO, SVO or WMO (was

RE: [biofuel] The oil in Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
>On 11 Feb 2003 at 17:53, Myles Twete wrote: > > > My understanding is that going for Iraq's Oil is only the small > > potatos--or at least the near-term ones. What Bush/Cheney/Bechtel are > > really after is Iraq's dams and water damming potential---which will > > last long past when the oil drie

RE: [biofuel] The oil in Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread Andrew Lowe
On 11 Feb 2003 at 17:53, Myles Twete wrote: > My understanding is that going for Iraq's Oil is only the small > potatos--or at least the near-term ones. What Bush/Cheney/Bechtel are > really after is Iraq's dams and water damming potential---which will > last long past when the oil dries up H

RE: [biofuel] The oil in Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread Myles Twete
yeah, and they won't be pre-emptively throwing suits-and-ties into jail either---it'll be the weed-growin' greens and tie-dye crowd who get thrown in the brink first as potential eco-terrorists, followed by the anarchists, then the libertarian and others who might threaten the republocrat kleptocr

RE: [biofuel] The oil in Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread Ken Provost
Myles writes: >My understanding is that going for Iraq's Oil is only the >small potatoes--or at least the near-term ones. >What Bush/Cheney/Bechtel are really after is Iraq's dams >and water damming potential---which will last long past >when the oil dries up >He who controls water, controls

Re: [biofuel] The oil in Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread studio53
What a minute... wasn't that from Dune; he who control the water controls the Universe? --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ - Original Message -

Re: [biofuel] US News and World Report: Cover Story

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
Thanks Ryan - very good: "If George Bush had pointed to the wreck of the World Trade Center, and said, `We must correct this problem,' and the only way is by raising the cost of gasoline on a phased-in basis, it would have worked," he says. "It was the golden opportunity missed." Yea, verily.

Re: [biofuel] The oil in Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Jesse >We are not taking over any oil fields. Ernie is absolutely correct, and as >soon as peace and stability is established in the region, we will be getting >out. You really think peace and stability are the goal? >If we even tried for a second to exert some sort of US military >installed

Re: [biofuel] The oil in Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Ernie >If the US plans are to take over the oil in Iraq why didn't they >keep it the last time. They all ready had control of the oil >fields when they extinguished the fires in the last attack. Different goal that time, wasn't it? - it keeps coming up here, there's plenty about it in the ar

RE: [biofuel] The oil in Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread Myles Twete
My understanding is that going for Iraq's Oil is only the small potatos--or at least the near-term ones. What Bush/Cheney/Bechtel are really after is Iraq's dams and water damming potential---which will last long past when the oil dries up He who controls water, controls more than oil. -Myles

Re: [biofuel] The oil in Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread studio53
We are not taking over any oil fields. Ernie is absolutely correct, and as soon as peace and stability is established in the region, we will be getting out. If we even tried for a second to exert some sort of US military installed government in that area, every nation on earth would be screaming b

RE: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU?

2003-02-11 Thread Winny De Schryver
Martin I am in Belgium. details from folks in Suffolk didn't come from me, sorry Prices of glycerine follow tomorrow. Winny > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: Martin Brook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Verzonden: dinsdag 11 februari 2003 9:24 > Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com > Onderwerp

[biofuel] Thank you for the reply.

2003-02-11 Thread Gordon Dempsey
Hi Keith, Thank you for the reply. I appreciate your post as well as the references you posted for me. I'll do a bit of reading from what you sent me. Thank you. I would not want to live in any country but here. At least we can disagree over political issues and how we think "it" shou

Re: [biofuel] The oil in Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread Ernie Wedgewood
If the US plans are to take over the oil in Iraq why didn't they keep it the last time. They all ready had control of the oil fields when they extinguished the fires in the last attack. I am not sure that this is just about oil. But I must admit that the oil fields of Iraq would be a great prise

Re: [biofuel] US News and World Report: Cover Story

2003-02-11 Thread murdoch
Great article, thx for sending it along. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yah

[biofuel] US News and World Report: Cover Story

2003-02-11 Thread Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/030217/biztech/17oil.htm Living Without Oil As war looms, the search for new energy alternatives is all the more urgent By Marianne Lavelle Grant Goodman wanted to do his part to reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil. So two years ago, the Phoenix concrete prod

[biofuel] cost of gasoline

2003-02-11 Thread murdoch
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:24:41 -0600, you wrote: >This morning on some TV show I heard someone from San Francisco say that >they are paying $2.40 / gal for the premium stuff and about $2.10 for >regular. > >Randy Scott Good. Let them think a few moments as to what it takes to get a gallon of gaso

[biofuel] GM public relations campaign

2003-02-11 Thread murdoch
Keith: Thought you and others might find this interesting. It is from Doug Korthof. He posted this opinion in the RAV4 EV group. I think he has a background in PR and marketing. He is the one who is protesting Toyota's decision to stop the RAV4_EV by marching in front of their North American H

[biofuel] tax credits for biodiesel-capable cars as alternative fuel vehicles

2003-02-11 Thread Thor Skov
hi all, I was looking at the AFDC website http://www.afdc.doe.gov/advanced_cgi.shtml and was surprised to see ethanol-capable vehicles listed. More precisely, I am wondering why biodiesel-capable vehicles are NOT listed. I always thought that it was because their attribute as alternative fuel v

[biofuel] cost of gasoline, ethanol mixture @ 76 stations

2003-02-11 Thread murdoch
1. The cost of gasoline at some local stations in San Diego seems to be pushing upward steadily. I'd say in the low $1.80s per gallon around where I live for 87 octane, and it can get over $2.00 per gallon for 91 octane. 2. I've been making a point of buying down the street at the local 76 sta

[biofuels-biz] cost of gasoline, ethanol mixture @ 76 stations

2003-02-11 Thread murdoch
1. The cost of gasoline at some local stations in San Diego seems to be pushing upward steadily. I'd say in the low $1.80s per gallon around where I live for 87 octane, and it can get over $2.00 per gallon for 91 octane. 2. I've been making a point of buying down the street at the local 76 sta

Re: [biofuel] Mixing Oil And Water

2003-02-11 Thread murdoch
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:48:58 +0900, you wrote: >http://www.progress.org/2003/iraq12.htm Great article. I love getting the straight poop from a spook. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send

Re: [biofuel] banning the oil field

2003-02-11 Thread James Slayden
I'll have to take a look at that Romanian article. Thanks for putting that Satya link in there. Yes, there is quite a lot of various types of slavery going on in all the nations across the globe. I didn't mean to leave out the 1st world nations, just that it is more underground here then other

Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-11 Thread MH
I wonder if the Iraqi people, who maybe the worlds second richest nation with oil, would welcome a US blitzkrieg called "Shock & Awe" rather then a slow suffering demise from a brutal dictator. Some veterans and world leaders feel differently which will be addressed following this news rep

RE: [biofuel] banning the oil field

2003-02-11 Thread kirk
http://www.satyamag.com/ Kirk -Original Message- From: James Slayden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:38 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] banning the oil field One should look at the new issue of Satya for an eye-opening view of modern

Re: [biofuel] banning the oil field

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
James Slayden wrote: >One should look at the new issue of Satya for an eye-opening view of >modern slavery. It is very enlightening!! All of us in 1st world nations >should be extreemely grateful to be where we are. =) Ah, James, I can hardly wait to get back to the South (the 3rd World), an

RE: [biofuel] Re: banning the oil field & illiteracy

2003-02-11 Thread James Slayden
Kim, one only needs a high school education to produce biodiesel, if even that! Driving a truck to get oil and deliver BD also is fairly low level on the education scale. I'm sure that a small/mid level producer could employ 3-5 people per site. There really isn't any barriers to entry to mid l

RE: [biofuel] neophyte with questions

2003-02-11 Thread Gordon Dempsey
Hi Keith, Thank you for adding that link. Even with books and video tapes, there is always just a little different way someone else does things. I enjoy the help I get here. Thank you. Gordon Hello Kevin I'm surprised you got frightened off by what you found at Journey to F

RE: [biofuel] Re: banning the oil field & illiteracy

2003-02-11 Thread Gordon Dempsey
This is not horn blowing, just a surprised reaction. Comments at the end. I do know Halliburton and Schlumberger, very well. And BJ Services. They are the big 3 in oil field service and have many employees with less than grade 8. I have met complete illiterates that work for these companies, no

[biofuel] Mixing Oil And Water

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.progress.org/2003/iraq12.htm War for Natural Resources Mixing Oil And Water Here is an important examination of one of the false claims being made by the Bush administration in favor of killing. Our thanks to the Agribusiness Examiner for distributing the remarks, which originally

Re: [biofuel] Hide the peanut.

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
> I retired after 20+ years of military service. (1985) Do I believe >that Sadam's weapons of mass destruction have been destroyed? In a word, NO! > There are a whole lot of subterranean bunkers that are covered with >sand at this moment. The only people that know the coordinates of those

[biofuel] The oil in Iraq

2003-02-11 Thread Hakan Falk
I looked at CNN's Q&A and it is amazing which people they muster to engage on the issue of the Iraq oil and US interest in it. I sent the following email to them, "If US must rely on their known oil reserves it would be finished in around 10 years. To say that US is not acting out of oil supp

Re: [biofuel] banning the oil field

2003-02-11 Thread James Slayden
One should look at the new issue of Satya for an eye-opening view of modern slavery. It is very enlightening!! All of us in 1st world nations should be extreemely grateful to be where we are. =) On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Keith Addison wrote: > Hi MM and all > > >On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:01:35 -0600

RE: [biofuel] doing with the wastes

2003-02-11 Thread James Slayden
Any infomation out there on the use of coolant for Eth making? On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Crabb, David wrote: > This is somewhat correct. > > Your example of coolant is exactly right. Not that many people flush > their > own coolant or even do it as often as they are supposed to do so. Take > thes

RE: [biofuel] Huge Fee Increases Proposed for Solar Energy in Cal ifornia

2003-02-11 Thread James Slayden
Um, what could be the rational for this?? Control and greed! =) Those two things usually amount to most difficulties in the world. On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Crabb, David wrote: > What could be the possible rationale for this? > > I find that most of the bad gov't plans are made by what appear to

Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-11 Thread Greg and April
It was intended to go after aircraft, not other missiles. Few weapons that I know of are capable of hitting a missle, let alone one that has such a short flight time. You might be able to do it with a Air to Air missle, if the launching aircraft was within a few miles ( around 20- 25 miles ) of

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 1354

2003-02-11 Thread Ken Chua
Hi all, just want to comment on some stuff Phil posted. " After seeing people in Europe starve during the early 1900's the US government adopted what we farmers and ranchers call the "cheap food policy". Our government never wanted to see the people in the US go hungry like the Europeans di

RE: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-11 Thread Crabb, David
The patriot missle system was not intended to hit the target. While it would be extra nice if it did, there wasn't time givent the technology to do so. What it would do was go up and try to get in its path and explode close enough to damage it, hopefully destroying it. It was known to not hit it

[biofuel] Hide the peanut.

2003-02-11 Thread Gordon Dempsey
I retired after 20+ years of military service. (1985) Do I believe that Sadam's weapons of mass destruction have been destroyed? In a word, NO! There are a whole lot of subterranean bunkers that are covered with sand at this moment. The only people that know the coordinates of those bun

Re: [biofuel] neophyte with questions

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
>Hello, > > I've long been interested in learning how to make my own >biodiesel to reduce my fuel costs . After reviewing the content of >journeytoforever.org I see there are more technical/serious concerns >to the process than I first thought. Specifically, the handling of >methanol and the b

[biofuel] neophyte with questions

2003-02-11 Thread kjfaltfuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello, I've long been interested in learning how to make my own biodiesel to reduce my fuel costs . After reviewing the content of journeytoforever.org I see there are more technical/serious concerns to the process than I first thought. Specifically, the handling of methanol and the bypr

Re: [biofuel] Re: banning the oil field

2003-02-11 Thread Kim & Garth Travis
Murdoch, Please pass this info on: Houston has a renewable energy group, that was started by several NASA engineers, that your corespondent might want to look into. [EMAIL PROTECTED] In answer to part of his letter: While it is true that humans are resilient, I can not write off the sufferi

[biofuel] Burning glyc and acrolein - was Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Tony >There is another option. Makers of biodiesel invariably need to >find disposal options for their by-product - Glycerol soaps. >By mixing this with sawdust to make a dry paste, and filling used >milk cartons with this mixture, the use of timber for fuel can be >significantly reduced.

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 1359

2003-02-11 Thread Tony Clark
There is another option. Makers of biodiesel invariably need to find disposal options for their by-product - Glycerol soaps. By mixing this with sawdust to make a dry paste, and filling used milk cartons with this mixture, the use of timber for fuel can be significantly reduced. A 1 litre milk

[biofuel] Bushfood

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
"Not that the politics of oil aren't crucial to what's driving Washington these days, but the politics of edible oil also need recognition, along with an alternative world-saving economic and social strategy based on local and community food security." [CFS = Community Food Security] Date: W

[biofuels-biz] Bushfood

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
"Not that the politics of oil aren't crucial to what's driving Washington these days, but the politics of edible oil also need recognition, along with an alternative world-saving economic and social strategy based on local and community food security." [CFS = Community Food Security] Date: W

Re: trees was: RE: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
>Can I add an example on whether a plant takes much from the top soil. Edible >figs are constrained from growing a mass of green vegetation by restricting >the surface rooting to a 2ft by 2ft square box, 2 ft deep with an open >bottom through which the deep roots can grow. Without this the fig tr

RE: [biofuel] doing with the wastes

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
David Crabb wrote: >This is somewhat correct. > >Your example of coolant is exactly right. Not that many people flush their >own coolant or even do it as often as they are supposed to do so. Take >these same rocket scientists, who don't know what they are doing.. or just >dont care >once its d

[biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
Motie wrote: >The above explanation is further proof that we don't have to deal >with International cultural and language differences to inadvertently >confuse the issues through inadequate definitions of terminolgy. > >This list is not only informative on Energy issues, but I find it >educatio

Re: trees was: RE: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
>Well, doesn't something have to replenish the minerals that you took out >of the soil in the form of wood? > >--- >Martin Klingensmith >infoarchive.net [archive.nnytech.net] >nnytech.net Hi Martin In fact the trees do that themselves. The natural scheme of things allows for a large amount of

Re: [biofuel] banning the oil field

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM and all >On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:01:35 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > >murdoch wrote: > > > > They seem to want energy independence for the U.S., but > >> only if it doesn't hurt their cronies. They have the priority >of better energy > >> policy, but it is subverted to at least one higher

Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Addison
FAIR-L Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting Media analysis, critiques and activism MEDIA ADVISORY: A Failure of Skepticism in Powell Coverage Disproof of previous claims underlines need for scrutiny February 10, 2003 In reportin

RE: [biofuel]Democratic!???

2003-02-11 Thread Hakan Falk
David, I inserted my comments below, At 04:22 PM 2/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: >hitler: >You seem to be older than me, as you spoke of personal knowledge, >so I will bow to your wisdom concerning this matter. :) >All else would be speculation and estimation on my part as I haven't lived >throug

RE: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU?

2003-02-11 Thread Paulius StanĨiauskas
Hi Winny, Can you tell me prices of all the purities? Paulius -Original Message- From: Winny De Schryver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:07 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU? Hi

Re: trees was: RE: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie

2003-02-11 Thread Ken Basterfield
Can I add an example on whether a plant takes much from the top soil. Edible figs are constrained from growing a mass of green vegetation by restricting the surface rooting to a 2ft by 2ft square box, 2 ft deep with an open bottom through which the deep roots can grow. Without this the fig tree w

[biofuel] Alternative Fuel Data Center website

2003-02-11 Thread murdoch
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:08:58 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Hello all, >I found this website with lots of information. I'm >not promoting the site, just passing on some info. >Cheers, >BG > >Alternative Fuel Data Center >http://www.afdc.doe.gov/afvehicles.html There is a lot of terrific research that

Re: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU?

2003-02-11 Thread Martin Brook
Hi Winny, Martin Brook here , hope you are keeping well. Could you give us guide prices forlycerine in any or all of those categories please?y the way I never did ge the details of those folks in Sffolk could yo send them aain please?here abouts are you inIre/Eire? - Original Message - Fro