Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen fuel?

Thankyou Zeke, Robert and Doug, that couldn't be more clear. Sure takes a weight off my mind to know that the fundamental physical constants didn't suddenly change last week after all. As for the offers, I'm not really interested, I'd rather go on happily ignoring it. Anyway, we don't have the

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen fuel?

In the 1920s, Sir Harry Ricardo and his firm built an engine for the airship R-100 which ran on kerosene plus the hydrogen required to provide the lift for the kerosene burned (instead of valving off the hydrogen as other airships did). The engine ran very lean and consumed 0.30 pound per horse

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen fuel?

Keith Addison wrote: >People keep talking about and writing about and asking me about and >offering me H2 generators for gasoline engines, and making wondrous >claims for their effectiveness, eg: > > > >> On my 92 Ford F-150 with the 5.0 ( 302 CU ) engine, the truck at it's best >> mileage wit

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen fuel?

I've never tried it, but the laws of physics don't give much room for improvement. If you take mechanical energy from the engine, turn it to electricity via the alternator, electrolyze water to hydrogen, then burn the hydrogen you're never going to get out as much as you put in, unless every s

[Biofuel] Hydrogen fuel?

People keep talking about and writing about and asking me about and offering me H2 generators for gasoline engines, and making wondrous claims for their effectiveness, eg: > On my 92 Ford F-150 with the 5.0 ( 302 CU ) engine, the truck at it's best > mileage without the H2 generator was 17.9 m

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Sighting

James McCain Jr wrote: > I am not that excited about hydrogen fuel cells. Yes it will be > better for the environment, but it is a super inefficient way to fuel > a car. Not to mention it is the same type of setup; you buy your > overpriced car, you now only have one choice on where to get fuel,

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Sighting

I am not that excited about hydrogen fuel cells. Yes it will be better for the environment, but it is a super inefficient way to fuel a car. Not to mention it is the same type of setup; you buy your overpriced car, you now only have one choice on where to get fuel, you pay for expensive mainte

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Sighting

John Mullan wrote: > Maybe just a research vehicle heading to some testing place? That possibility does exist. There are several vehicle manufacturers that test their vehicles in Florida, so maybe Ford is one of them. AP > Alan Petrillo wrote: >> robert and benita wrote: >> >>> Alan Petril

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Sighting

Maybe just a research vehicle heading to some testing place? Alan Petrillo wrote: > robert and benita wrote: > >> Alan Petrillo wrote: >> >> >>> I saw a hydrogen fuel cell powered Ford Focus in traffic this afternoon. >>> It was on I-275 North going across the Howard Frankland bridge go

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Sighting

robert and benita wrote: > Alan Petrillo wrote: > >> I saw a hydrogen fuel cell powered Ford Focus in traffic this afternoon. >> It was on I-275 North going across the Howard Frankland bridge going >> toward Tampa, Florida. >> >> On the back of a flatbed truck. >> >> > > . . . because i

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Sighting

Alan Petrillo wrote: >I saw a hydrogen fuel cell powered Ford Focus in traffic this afternoon. > It was on I-275 North going across the Howard Frankland bridge going >toward Tampa, Florida. > >On the back of a flatbed truck. > > . . . because it didn't have the range to get anywhere on

[Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Sighting

I saw a hydrogen fuel cell powered Ford Focus in traffic this afternoon. It was on I-275 North going across the Howard Frankland bridge going toward Tampa, Florida. On the back of a flatbed truck. :-D AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustai

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fuel balls from a gas pump?

No and now that I read my post back I realise how that inference could come out of it. My comments were in regard to nanoscale particles which can pass through cell membranes. The micron sized particles are a respiratory hazard just as asbesdos or other fine particles can be. I guess I combin

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fuel balls from a gas pump?

goodness, gracious great balls o' fire... Would a moratorium on nanotechnology involve glass beads with diameters of a "few microns". this really is large compared to "nanoscale" Joe Street wrote: > Hi Mike; > > You and I have something in common then. The university I work for has > just

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fuel balls from a gas pump?

Hi Mike; You and I have something in common then. The university I work for has just launched an undergraduate program called nanotechnology engineering. Quite the laugh since the engineers are waay behind the scientists in nanotech, but it was part of an initiative to get status and therefor

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fuel balls from a gas pump?

I guess we will all just have a BALL, LOL. OK, I guess it's not really funny after all. GOOD Question I just wrote a published paper late last year on the hazards of NanoTech particles on just this sort of item. Mike McGinness Joe Street wrote: > Uh huh and what happens when you breathe t

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fuel balls from a gas pump?

Uh huh and what happens when you breathe them? Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: > > [0]navalynt writes "New Scientist reports that the Department of Energy > has filed a patent for [1]hydrogen fuel balls. From the article 'The > proposed glass microspheres would each be a few millionths of a metre > (mic

[Biofuel] hydrogen fuel balls from a gas pump?

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Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen and biodiesel

Howdy Randall. This sounds interesting, do you have a reference? My guess would be that the hydrogen just dissolves in the oil, the result of which is a mixture with a lower viscosity and higher heat of combustion. I can't imagine a chemical reaction, unless one does metal catalyzed hydrogenat

[Biofuel] hydrogen and biodiesel

I was reading a research paper that indicated that loading vegetable oil with Hydrogen would have much the same effect as using an acid for transesterfication. If this is the case, would it be more cost effective to use Hydrogen? It seems steps could be eliminated or made simpler. Does anyo

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen generator

greg Kelly wrote: > As I have been building my biodiesel plans, other interesting ideas and > plans are popping up. The most recent is the opportunity to acquire at a > fraction of it's "worth" a hydrogen generating system. It's doubtful that a hydrogen generating system is worth ANYTHI

[Biofuel] hydrogen generator

As I have been building my biodiesel plans, other interesting ideas and plans are popping up. The most recent is the opportunity to acquire at a fraction of it's "worth" a hydrogen generating system. I wuill be going to the archives as soon as I get this sent, but am wondering what can be said abou

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen fuel cells hit the road

I agree with you Zeke. Improvements in battery technology and the necessity for recycling waste energy (regenerative breaking) to keep efficiencies as high as economically possible will keep electric vehicles the vehicle of choice (IMO). Vehicles that run on Hydrogen will have to take the form o

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen fuel cells hit the road

Sorry, here is the correct link for the current technology.Still $240k for an electric car with 300 mile range, but they are looking at doing production cars (the Scion) instead of one off race cars. Even at this cost, they only have one order of magnitude to decrease costs for the average ca

[Biofuel] Hydrogen fuel cells hit the road

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen fuel cells hit the road

Well, that's nice, but I can get a really nice battery powered electric car for under $100 grand that will go 150 miles on a charge, and the round trip efficiency of charging batteries is about two or three times better than electrolyzing water to get hydrogen, then putting it back through a fuel

[Biofuel] hydrogen

    Has anyone used hydrogen generators in there cars. They are sabose to reduce Emissions Including Nox.   john   ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen vehicles, WAS freiburg solar house

I agree that from a pollution issue, hydrogen fuel cell vehicals are much better than biodiesel, but for now (and probably for the next 15 years at least), biodiesel makes much more sense -- mainly because we could fully transition in probably 5 years if we really tried. By then, the hydrogen tech

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen vehicles, WAS freiburg solar house

Hakan wrote: > snip "I think that hydrogen for transport is a dead duck and a very bad idea, when resources are needed and should be spent on more viable solutions." China is making a big push for hydrogen vehicles. A relative of a Chinese friend of mine is in charge of preparing for all China's

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen tablet

More information about this 'magic pill': http://www.amminex.com/index.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alt.EnergyNetwork Sent: den 9 september 2005 22:18 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] hydrogen tablet

[Biofuel] hydrogen tablet

Scientists at the Technical University of Denmark have invented a technology which may be an important step towards the hydrogen economy: a hydrogen tablet that effectively stores hydrogen in an inexpensive and safe material ..innovationsreport.de This is a very interesting development

[Biofuel] Hydrogen: Seperating the Wheat From the Chaff

Remember our discussion on "above unity" devices? Well, our president in his profound wisdom has been selling the idea of a "hydrogen economy" without telling anyone where the hydrogen is coming from -- passing it off as a clean and renewable energy "source". While he was babbling, I was reminded

[Biofuel] Hydrogen - Cleaning up production

Hydrogen: The Next Generation Cleaning up production of a future fuel Jessica Gorman From Science News, Vol. 162, No. 15, Oct. 12, 2002, p. 235 http://www.phschool.com/science/science_news/articles/hydrogen_next_generation.html Today's world might run on fossil fuel, but many people pr

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place

that it was interesting. I have some reservations about their system as well. regards tallex ---Original Message--- > From: "Kirk McLoren" > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place > Sent: 25 Apr 2005 15:16:12 > > Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heate

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place

ge--- > From: "Kirk McLoren" > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place > Sent: 25 Apr 2005 15:16:12 > > Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. > Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are > cycling on t

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place

;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place > And how much more energy is going to be wasted, generating all the necessary > H2? > > What a joke. > > If anyone want to buy the fireplace, I want to know, I have a bridge to

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place

rds tallex ---Original Message--- > From: "Kirk McLoren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place > Sent: 25 Apr 2005 15:16:12 > > Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. > Otherwise the oxygen level w

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place

If your electrolyzer is 50% efficient then half the power is lost. I guess they are thinking they can make hydrogen in the daytime and burn it at night. A battery and a heatpump would be enormously more efficient. Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:OK, I did some poking around and had a

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place

it! " Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Frantz DESPREZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 09:21 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place > Greg Harbican a Žcrit : > > >(...) > >If anyone want to buy the fi

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place

OK, I did some poking around and had a little trouble finding a Watt-hr/BTU value for hydrogen production using electrolysis. Does anyone have a link with some stats? Mike Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise

RE: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place

:Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place And how much more energy is going to be wasted, generating all the neces sary H2? What a joke. If anyone want to buy the fireplace, I want to know, I have a bridge to sell them, in San Francisco CA. Greg H. - Original Message - From

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place

(...) If anyone want to buy the fireplace, I want to know, I have a bridge to sell them, in San Francisco CA. the golden one ? must be expensive ! FD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Jo

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place

Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low

Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place

ROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 03:02 Subject: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place > > > Hi all, > This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard > electrolysis of water. > You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately

[Biofuel] hydrogen fire place

Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. Company states output at around 31,000 btu's. It is a prett

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Discussion on NPR - what about biodiesel?

Martin, As for me, yes, I indeed sent them an inquiry during the live talk show but did not receive a response. Here it is (maybe too simple: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:31:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Phillip Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Add to Address Book Subject: Hydrogen Vs. Biodiesel Vs. Electric V

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Discussion on NPR - what about bio?

Patrick Campbell wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2005, Phillip Wolfe wrote: Join Ira and guests in this hour of Science Friday for a look at environmentally friendly cars. Will a hydrogen concept car unveiled this week ever hit the showroom? Plus, the latest on the Huygens space probe, headed toward S

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Discussion on NPR - what about bio?

Join Ira and guests in this hour of Science Friday for a look at environmentally friendly cars. Will a hydrogen concept car unveiled this week ever hit the showroom? Plus, the latest on the Huygens space probe, headed toward Saturn's moon Titan... http://www.sciencefriday.com/index.html Eve

[Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Discussion on NPR Science Friday Today NOW

Join Ira and guests in this hour of Science Friday for a look at environmentally friendly cars. Will a hydrogen concept car unveiled this week ever hit the showroom? Plus, the latest on the Huygens space probe, headed toward Saturn's moon Titan... http://www.sciencefriday.com/index.html ___

[Biofuel] hydrogen storage

Hi all, here are a few interesting links on hydrogen storage and nanotech. regards Hydrogen Storage http://www.fuelcellstore.com/information/hydrogen_storage.html Hydrogen Storage Technologies http://labtech.solo.bg/ Storing Hydrogen Safely http://www.nickelinstitute.org/index.cfm/ci_i

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen From Renewable Fuels

[biofuel] EERE Network News -- 02/18/04 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/32089/ Engineers Find Economical Way to Make Hydrogen from Ethanol and just below Novozymes enzyme cost break through. Oops, sorry. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROT

[Biofuel] Hydrogen From Renewable Fuels

photo -- http://www.cbs.umn.edu/main/aboutcbs/bio/spring2004/abstracts.html <><><><><><> Related news posts -- [biofuel] Hydrogen Reactor 2004-02-13 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31956/ [biofuel] Re: Scientists create fuel source 200

[Biofuel] Hydrogen economy looks out of reach

Hydrogen economy looks out of reach Mark Peplow 07 October 2004 http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041004/pf/041004-13_pf.html US vehicles would require a million wind turbines, economists claim. Converting every vehicle in the United States to hydrogen power would demand so much electrici

Re: [biofuel] hydrogen economy really oil

preposterous. Much like a misguided concern about global exhaustion of atmospheric oxygen from burning fossil fuels. So I would very much like to see a reference to either the low oxygen concentrations in big cities and or the connection between low oxygenation and cancer. Kirk McLor

Re: [biofuel] hydrogen economy really oil

Reduction of O2 is being ignored. I hear it is as low as 16% in some cities. Low oxygenation and cancer are linked. Kirk robert harder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The hydrogen economy is being pushed because it is favored by the current oil companies, the cheapest source of hydrogen is oil and

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Economy (was Question - efficiency of sunlight

=== From: "Darryl McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2004/09/18 Sat AM 10:18:11 CDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Economy (was Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion) Hi Donald, you pressed my HE button. Response in-line below. D

[Biofuel] Hydrogen Economy (was Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion)

Hi Donald, you pressed my HE button. Response in-line below. Donald Allwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (available at http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/38355/) > > As an aside, I am puzzled as to why there is so much emphasis being > placed on the "Hydrogen Economy" at the moment, espec

[biofuel] hydrogen highway

Hydrogen Highway http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_highway04.html The Hydrogen Highway California's answer to higher gas prices. May 20 , 2004 By Allen Gibson The price of oil surpassed forty dollars a barrel this Spring - a high not seen except for a few days prior to the first G

Re: [biofuel] hydrogen

Tad Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (in response to Robert's comment) v > >Yikes! What kind of "cheap pump" are you talking about? Hydrogen > >should be handled with utmost respect and care. The pumps designed for > >natural gas will work, but I wouldn't use anything designed for > >

Re: [biofuel] hydrogen

Tad Johnson wrote: > Scavenged pump from an old refrigerator. Been using it for over a year > now > in this process. How are you lubricating the compressor? I've heard of people using this approach in the past, but only as a rumor. > The tank > has an O2 sensor built into it now and I

Re: [biofuel] hydrogen

You'd be better off using downdraught gasification. Safer. No to low pressure. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Tad Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] hydrogen > At 09:56 AM 3/29/2004 -0700

Re: [biofuel] hydrogen

>Yikes! What kind of "cheap pump" are you talking about? Hydrogen >should be handled with utmost respect and care. The pumps designed for >natural gas will work, but I wouldn't use anything designed for >air--including the tanks. Stick with the composite natural gas tanks >for the sake of

Re: [biofuel] hydrogen

Tad Johnson wrote: > At 09:56 AM 3/29/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >You mean like it is a cryogenic fluid when stored as a liquid? > > Yes, but the method I was talking about was using cheap pumps to pump > hydrogen at high pressure into cheap diving tanks, to run your car, > and cook > with. > >

Re: [biofuel] hydrogen

At 09:56 AM 3/29/2004 -0700, you wrote: >You mean like it is a cryogenic fluid when stored as a liquid? Yes, but the method I was talking about was using cheap pumps to pump hydrogen at high pressure into cheap diving tanks, to run your car, and cook with. Tad Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: [biofuel] hydrogen

You mean like it is a cryogenic fluid when stored as a liquid? Greg H. - Original Message - From: brainchild0069 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 15:12 Subject: [biofuel] hydrogen Does anybody know what are the hazards of storing and using

Re: [biofuel] hydrogen

At 10:12 PM 3/28/2004 +, you wrote: >Does anybody know what are the hazards of storing and using hydrogen? Same for any gas except it has the fastest rate of explosion of any gas when combined with oxygen. Just like any gas it must be storage without the presence of any other gas except may

Re: [biofuel] hydrogen

brainchild0069 wrote: > Does anybody know what are the hazards of storing and using hydrogen? > > Aside from the same hazards of storing any flammable gas,I mean. Any ferrous metal exposed to hydrogen under pressure exceeding 150 psi will suffer from embrittlement. H2 is a very small mol

[biofuel] hydrogen

Does anybody know what are the hazards of storing and using hydrogen? Aside from the same hazards of storing any flammable gas,I mean. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyIn

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hokum Round-up

Dihydrogen Monoxide is water. - Original Message - From: "murdoch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hokum Round-up > On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:51:28 EST, you wrote: > > >Dihydrogen Monoxide Re

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hokum Round-up

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:51:28 EST, you wrote: >Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division - dihydrogen monoxide info > >Every concerned environmentalist should visit this site. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] What site? You are sending messages to the group which appear to

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hokum Round-up

Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division - dihydrogen monoxide info Every concerned environmentalist should visit this site. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hokum Round-up

>The government of California announces they are going to finance the >conversion of >30 Toyota Priuses to hydrogen power for a mere US$77,000 per vehicle. Base >car and >refueling infrastructure not included. What I found really interesting was >that >this conversion is to replace the *in

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hokum Round-up

This may be of interest...sorry about the weird spacing. Page 1 Date: 2004-02-06 16:10:19Topic: Energy and Environment Plants could point way to cheap hydrogen processing The possibility of using the Earth's abundant supply of water as a cheap source of hydrogen is a step closer

[biofuel] Hydrogen Hokum Round-up

Let's see, in the past few days there has been plenty of hydrogen hype reported. California has stated they expect to have hydrogen cars on the road in significant numbers by 2010. The U.S. federal government figures they

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Reactor

It would be interesting if this apparatus could be fit in a car on a small scale. Folks in Brazil and elsewhere, already carrying some ethanol on board, would have a choice, something new to experiment with, to see what gets the best mileage and power and reliability and other characteristic

[biofuel] Hydrogen Reactor

Personally I am not a big believer in a hydrogen economy but this did get the interest of our local paper. fred http://startribune.com/stories/1592/4374132.html Associated Press University reactor shows promise for `hydrogen economy' Researchers at the University of Minnesota say they hav

[biofuel] Hydrogen in power generation

An other one. Hydrogen in power generation. by Hakan Falk, "Energy Saving Now" http://energy.saving.nu/hydrogen/hydrogenpower.shtml One of the most controversial energy discussions, is the current US promotion of hydrogen usage in the transportation sector. We, among many others, have the opi

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hummer ?

Hindenberg House On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 07:25 AM, craigreece wrote: > Edward, > > The only question you've asked that I can answer is: CNG is the acronym > for Compressed Natural Gas. > > Craig > > Edward Mendoza wrote: > >> >> >> Can someone please offer a little extra information on

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hummer ?

Edward, The only question you've asked that I can answer is: CNG is the acronym for Compressed Natural Gas. Craig Edward Mendoza wrote: > > > Can someone please offer a little extra information on the H2O car? > > I heard from Paul F. Ostrove (www.hermosahydrogen.com) today that Tai > Robinson

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hummer ?

Hi, intergalactichydrogen.com does not appear to work. thank you, mango Edward Mendoza wrote: >Can someone please offer a little extra information on the H2O car? > >I heard from Paul F. Ostrove (www.hermosahydrogen.com) today that Tai >Robinson (www.Intergalactichydrogen.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Hummer ?

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:28:48 -0700, you wrote: > > >Can someone please offer a little extra information on the H2O car? > >I heard from Paul F. Ostrove (www.hermosahydrogen.com) today that Tai >Robinson (www.Intergalactichydrogen.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) has just finished >modifying a Hummer that

[biofuel] Hydrogen Hummer ?

Can someone please offer a little extra information on the H2O car? I heard from Paul F. Ostrove (www.hermosahydrogen.com) today that Tai Robinson (www.Intergalactichydrogen.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) has just finished modifying a Hummer that runs on five fuels: 1. Diesel 2. Veggie-oil 3. Bio-dies

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles

Well, if we want to bring other hydrogen carriers into the mix, then ethanol has about a good as a chance as any. I still vote for a diesel hybrid fueling w/ biodiesel. :) James Slayden On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, robert luis rabello wrote: > > > James Slayden wrote: > > > I think that the beaut

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles

- Original Message - From: murdoch To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:40:08 +0200, you wrote: > >MM, > >Formation and reformation

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles

James Slayden wrote: > I think that the beauty of the Ovonic system is that it uses process > heat > to release the H2 from the storage tanks. The heat generated either > from > an H2 ICE or a FC could also help with this: > > http://www.ovonics.com/res/2_4_solid_hydrogen/solid_hydrogen.htm >

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles

MM, I have not excluded methanol or even the more interesting ethanol in fuel cells. It is energy sources and it looks like an interesting development. Then we are back to more reasonable evaluations about efficiency etc., which are bound to come up. I am fully open to the fuel cell technology,

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:40:08 +0200, you wrote: > >MM, > >Formation and reformation of hydrogen/whatsoever combinations as storage >techniques are obviously the way to go forward. It is however a storage >process that in itself require energy and I have not yet seen any >substantial discussions

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles

James, I agree with you on some details, but the big picture remains and maybe you can give input on that, 1. Primary energy sources. We also need to know where the energy should be originating from, because this is an open question that everybody seems to do almost anything

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles

I think that the beauty of the Ovonic system is that it uses process heat to release the H2 from the storage tanks. The heat generated either from an H2 ICE or a FC could also help with this: http://www.ovonics.com/res/2_4_solid_hydrogen/solid_hydrogen.htm My gut tells me that although pressuri

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles

MM, Formation and reformation of hydrogen/whatsoever combinations as storage techniques are obviously the way to go forward. It is however a storage process that in itself require energy and I have not yet seen any substantial discussions of the energy costs for this. The energy has to come

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles

This article assumes onboard pressurized storage. It should at least mention the future possibility of Liquid H2 (such as BMW has been working on) or metal hydride storage) such as Ovonic seems to have implemented with a modified Prius: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031020/dem017_1.html As alway

[biofuel] Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles

Although I can see large advantages in hydrogen as storage in stationary power generation and military mobile applications, I see that it is going to take a long time before we see the hydrogen economy for propelling transport in general. Hydrogen as a Fuel for Automobiles http://energy.savin

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Economy-2

Ken Gotberg wrote: > Hi > > >From all the replies given by people who seem to know, > H2 is less efficient than a standard internal > combustion engine and why bother? There is no net sum > gain and even a net sum loss. > > Ken > I think you misunderstand something here. Burning hydroge

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Economy-2

Hi

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Economy-2

Ok Ken, U got ma interest..please send me more details of the solar concentrator. DId U know there is a newsgroup just for solar concentrators? Mike JAMAICA - Original Message - From: "Ken Gotberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 2:47 AM S

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Economy

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:34:15 -0400, you wrote: >I'm not that old Hakan, but I still hear it echoing. >Energy will never get that cheap unless there is an abundance like you >say, and then only if their is competition. (both) The abundance could I think only take place in a world or national or

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Economy

I'm not that old Hakan, but I still hear it echoing. Energy will never get that cheap unless there is an abundance like you say, and then only if their is competition. (both) Hakan Falk wrote: >Hi Martin, > >I did not think that you were that old, but yes in the beginning of the 1960's >and for

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Economy-2

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:31:01 +0200, you wrote: > >MM, > >Known Resources/Production or Consumption per year is >R/P value. It gives you the number of years the local resources >would last with current consumption of energy. >It turns out to be the consumption when you look at local level >like

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Economy-2

ty or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: "Ken Gotberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:47 AM Subject: [biofuel] Hydrogen Economy-2 > Hi All > > I agree about H2 fuel cell effic

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Economy-2

MM, Known Resources/Production or Consumption per year is R/P value. It gives you the number of years the local resources would last with current consumption of energy. It turns out to be the consumption when you look at local level like a country, since the consumption is filled by imports. Th

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