>OK, enough with drummond. Did you notice that the Ethiopians run the last 5000 of the
>10,000 in 12:57?
Yes!, and that alone would be a 5000 national record for what,
98% of the countries in the world?
The disparity in performances among elite distance runners these
days is more and more profou
about improving his speed. How many of our 10k guys can run 24.5 flat out
let alone at the end of a 10k?
M
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:23:21 -0700
>OK, enough with drummond. Did
> Perhaps our 10k guys (and 5k guys) go about training too much like they
> would for a marathon and don't focus enough on speed. Geb constantly
talks
> about improving his speed. How many of our 10k guys can run 24.5 flat out
> let alone at the end of a 10k?
Jeez, I'm sure at least 8 of our top
ECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of edndana
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
> Perhaps our 10k guys (and 5k guys) go about training too much like they
> would for a marathon and don't focus enough on speed. Geb
I'd be a big seller on that claim.
malmoo
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of edndana
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
> Perhaps our 10k guys (and 5k guys) go about
y didn't, but I also wasn't doing 100+ miles per week
of distance training like I should have been.
- Ed Parrot
- Original Message -
From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'edndana'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mond
>OK, enough with drummond. Did you notice that the Ethiopians run
the last 5000 of the 10,000 in 12:57?
The final half in the women's 10K was almost as impressive. I think
Adere did 14:57 and Werknesh did 15:00.
Damn, I wish I could have seen both of those. Funny -- so many track
fans (especi
EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of edndana
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Malmo -
I can't tell if you agree or disagree with me from your comment. I
may be wrong, as I am largely basing my observations on the people I ran
again
ot;'edndana'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:10:16 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: from mc5-f38.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.252.45]) by
mc5-s9.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 2
llege coaches should be
looking for guys with the worst 200m to 2-mile ratio.
- Ed Parrot
- Original Message -
From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'edndana'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:
Ed, you state the following:
"Sure, if one guy can run 22 and another guy can run
25,
that will mean something, but Lydiard had it right -
the problem with
distances is not to get more speed but to get the
stamina to hold the
speed
for longer (both through LFD and targeted speedwork).
Think ho
Reply-To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'edndana'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:18:03 -0400
I'm basing my wager on this crowd:
My guess is that Culpepper is the only on
at
> least 9:00 range kind of guys. If it turns out that
> these guys don't have
> the speed but the slower two-milers do, then maybe
> college coaches should be
> looking for guys with the worst 200m to 2-mile
> ratio.
>
> - Ed Parrot
>
>
> ----- Or
Hopefully, smelling salts will be close by?
malmo
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of edndana
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
If Kennedy - who has run mid-50's at the e
Yup Mike, the Letsrun mentality has infected you. Find one
-Original Message-
From: Michael Contopoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Malmo, on Letsrun
This whole argument might be a moot point because it
seems Bekele's closing 200 in 24.x is one of those
urban Internet legends. I haven't seen the race but
here are Bekele's final splits from Track & Field
News:
12.9, 26.1, 55.0, 1:56.6, 2:59.4, 4:02.8
Very impressive indeed but not close to the
M
From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Michael Contopoulos'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Mon, 25 Aug
ust because 2or 3 other countries do.
- Ed parrot
- Original Message -
From: "John Schiefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
> Ed, you
Speaking of 1964 and wild 10,000s, the other night on digital cable I stumbled on the
movie,
"Running Brave."
And, the tape I used for the Zurich meet Saturday happened to have the 1992 (?)
MobilOne Indoor meet
on it. It was in Fairfax, Va., the first year with the Martin surface. Noureddine
Mo
14:57 for 5000m among the women is not nearly as impressive as 12:57 for men.
Also, the nature of the races was completely different, that of the women being
executed in fairly equally pace (albeit incomparably more demanding tahn
prevuious runs with the exception of Wang's and Radcliffe's near-s
Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Lee Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:35:34 -0500
Speaking of 1964 and wild 10,000s, the other night on digital cable I
stumbled on the movie,
"Running Brave."
An
was able to view running brave again myself recently. watching the
tokyo scenes, i thought to myself how much it looked like the
stadium in edmonton (was there for the worlds)sure enough,
credits say that's where it was filmed...
I'm surprised -- you can see football field markings on the
er an Eskimo
game.
From: Lee Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Lee Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:00:19 -0500
was able to view running brave again myself recently. watching the tokyo
scenes, i thou
tries do.
>
> - Ed parrot
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Schiefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57
essage-
> From: Michael Contopoulos
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
>
>
> Malmo, on Letsrun you noted that what Geb does is
>
Michael Contopoulos
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Malmo, on Letsrun you noted that what Geb does is
pretty standard
training.
I disagree. The guy does 4 days of wo
malmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Yup Mike, the Letsrun mentality has infected you.
> >>Find one
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Michael Contopoulos
> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >&g
nners are actually doing as much or more mileage and doing it
faster.
- Ed Parrot
- Original Message -
From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
> Maybe the Am
sure easy for Geb is about 5:45 pace.
> >
> > Schiefer
> > --- malmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Yup Mike, the Letsrun mentality has infected you.
> >>Find one
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >
I'm biased obviously but, yeah, as soon as I hit send I realized that I forgot
about KK. I don't even think the yanks really compare themselves to him though.
Immigrant and all that. Point taken about Drossin though. No Jacobs in Paris so
who knows. Keep in mind that Mondor was running 15:42 last y
"edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <"Athletics" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"@mtac2.prodigy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
> Ed,
>
>
> You think maybe this is part of our "problem" as a
for a 200m -
running start included - by an 8:2 ratio. They can't.
malmo
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
Contopoulos
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57
ginal Message-
From: John Sun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:43 PM
To: malmo; 'John Schiefer'; 'edndana'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Malmo,
Don't know which John you were addressing, but if you
read my email I wa
malmo
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Sun
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:05 PM
To: John Schiefer; edndana; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
This whole argument might be a moot point because it
seems Bekele'
rom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of John Sun
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:05 PM
> To: John Schiefer; edndana;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
>
>
> This whole argument might be a moot point because it
> seems
mileage and doing it
faster.
- Ed Parrot
- Original Message -
From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Maybe the Americans(and Can men) should take a page out of
gt;
To: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
> Ed,
>
> "High" mileage by my definition are what a guy lik
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "\"Athletics\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:19:05 -0400
I don't know, I can't classify 150 mpw, which is no less than probabl
CTED]>
To: "'Michael Contopoulos'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:59:16 -0400
Mike, clealy you've never read my logs then!
Secondly, you read a sample of one week
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of edndana
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:22 PM
To: "Athletics"
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Joe -
Well. ..you and I are arguing over semantics, and I don't think our
argument has anything to do with whatever "problem" there is
s.
M
From: "P.F.Talbot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "P.F.Talbot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "\"Athletics\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:39:12 -0600
On hard training. People seem to
t;Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:03:50 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Originating-IP: [198.240.130.75]
X-Origina
M
From: "alan tobin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:36:05 +
Mike, a lot of Americans are doing this. Check out Rod Dehaven's log:
www.allsportrunning.com/rod
Sorry to pile on at the end of a discussion many are surely tired of (and for the sake
of those of us on digest mode: PLEASE delete any portions of old messages that aren't
directly relevant to your reply). But there are several things along this thread that
I wanted to comment on:
1) First -
he same system and improvement came
little by little. When I tried to adapt the same 4 hard day a week schedule
to a marathon I ended up with an achilles injury.
Alan
From: "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
d for two years then remained
pretty static. My former college coach used the same system and improvement
came little by little. When I tried to adapt the same 4 hard day a week
schedule to a marathon I ended up with an achilles injury.
Alan
From: "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTE
My take is that it's not the back to back to back quality days that do
people in. What does people in is skipping the phases prior to that which
would the endurance and strength phases which prepare you to reap the
benefits of quality. At some point, you have to do the quality
work. Another
; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
> Four quality workouts in a row week after week WILL destroy your body and
> WILL overtrain you. In the ONE Geb week no mention is made of what kind of
> &q
;s
> a shout-out). He would
> have us do a hill workout one day followed by a
> tempo the next and fartleks
> on the 3rd. I thought I was being over-trained.
> Turns out I was just a
> wimp.
>
> M
>
>
> >From: "alan tobin" <[EMAIL PROTECTE
i'm just as stupid as the next guy out there, so i figure why not throw in
my 2 cents.
whatever happened to long term planning? is this done in the u.s. with
distance athletes anymore? i'm sure that within micros and mesos, distance
coaches of these athletes assign primary themes, but do they si
quot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:40:27 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Originating-IP: [198.240.130.75]
X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from 198.240.130.75 by l
ives even more light to the rumor
that Rosa is a druglord.
Alan
From: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:43:24 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.
the US program was plagued with
injuries
> and the Rosa Kenyan program has done well gives even more light to the
rumor
> that Rosa is a druglord.
>
> Alan
>
>
> >From: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "edndana" <[EMAIL PRO
10k/5k guy.
From: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:43:24 -0400
Perhaps it's how one defines quality workouts, but I know th
D]>
To: "alan tobin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:04:43 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: from smtp101.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.139]) by
mc1-f37.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.
Alan,
I can't disagree with you're sentiments on "sprint" work more. 200 meter
strides are meant to work on your form. That is not sprint work. The one
with 100 meter recovery is harder? Are you kidding me? The one with 100
meter recovery is basically a fartlek (I run my recovery jogs rela
Explain the logic of that statement.
bob
>The fact that the US program was plagued with injuries and the Rosa
>Kenyan program has done well gives even more light to the rumor that
>Rosa is a druglord.
>
>Alan
Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls.
is much much harder, you're just
too slow to appreciate how hard, blah blah blah", everything is relative.
Alan
From: "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
Date: Thu,
Could the dots also be connected another way? Using results drawn from several Swedish studies, it seems that for some reason, Kenyan (and possibly other African athletes) seem to have less muscle breakdown and hence faster recoveries with repeated stress. Couldn't this be a reason why methods tha
ART,
That was a foolish post, don't you think?
Key words: anyone, can do, near all out, ... Foolish thoughts.
"Hell, anyone can do 10x200 near all
out with 200 meter recoveries at the end of an easy run everyday but I
wouldn't call that a very hard workout. Sprint work isn't made to be
It's no problem for those math majors who can figure
out how to "give 200%" every time they set their foot
on the track.
I tried giving 150% once, and produced a divide-by-zero error.
My theory is, for anybody whose coach says "they gave a 200%
effort today!", in reality they gave 85%, and they'd
This reminds me of a certain track coach that will
remain unnamed (AND IT WASN'T anyone at Arkansas).
Here's the conversation:
Schiefer: "Coach, you know, I, for some reason, just
can't seem to stay with the top guys for 10,000m."
Coach's response: "Well, I think you just need to try
harder!"
>> Another thing, I'm still lacking any understanding at all for the
train-don't race mentality. When did this take hold?
Maybe the long-term effects of Viren?
I don't really understand it, either, although I think probably has
something to do with all the accusations of overracing on the roads t
10:48 AM
Subject: Re: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
> Why Viren? Viren raced 43 times one Olympic year. He seemed to have it
figured out?
>
> malmo
>
> >
> > From: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2003/08/27 Wed AM 09:28:14 CDT
> > To: <[
At 08:24 AM 8/28/2003 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote..
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:16:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
1) First - I have said for the last seven years that I saw the greatest
10k ever run, the final in Atlanta, with a 13:11 last 5k in tough
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:25:12 +0200
Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
From: Sieg Lindstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: rich mccann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The '99 World Champs 5K, won in 12:58.13 by Hissou, comes to mind as a
candidate. I'm guessing the Atlanta 10K was the
66 matches
Mail list logo
