Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
>>
>> Never mind simply tagging it loses spatial detail in the process, and
>> complicates routing engines (since turns are often restricted or
>> prohibited from the cycle track across the adjacent road and vice
>> ver
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> Never mind simply tagging it loses spatial detail in the process, and
> complicates routing engines (since turns are often restricted or
> prohibited from the cycle track across the adjacent road and vice
> versa).
>
>
I would love to hear
Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
>> >cycleway=curb_delimited
>>
>> I'm against this. If it's seperated by a curb, that counts as a median,
>> and should be treated as a seperate way.
>>
>>
> IMHO, options are good. If it's separated by a median, t
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> >cycleway=curb_delimited
>
> I'm against this. If it's seperated by a curb, that counts as a median,
> and should be treated as a seperate way.
>
>
IMHO, options are good. If it's separated by a median, that means you're
justified in map
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
> We considered proposing:
>
>cycleway=curb
>
> which is short, but as someone pointed out, you don't actually ride
> the bike on the curb like you do the track or the lane. Alternatively
> we could use:
>
>cycleway=curb_delimited
I'm against this. If it's s
2009/12/6 Steve Bennett
>
> cycleway=barrier
> cycleway=separated_lane
> cycleway=kerb_separated
>
you might also want to have a look at this draft:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Area
cheers,
Martin
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
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> [0] http://osm.org/go/0H9xGkqbE-?layers=0B00FTF
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>
>
That renders nicely, but the oneway tags seem redundant. I guess that's the
downside of mapping a oneway bike lane distinctly from the road. You need
the oneway=yes for routing, but
On 08/12/2009, at 21.44, Richard Mann wrote:
> Could you point us to an example, please?
I assume you mean an example of how OSMArender renders cycleway=track?
I found an example [0] where you can see a cycleway=track in the north
part of the tile; the road turns in the SW direction, and for
tight/spacious/critical are terms from the Dutch guidance on
assessing/adapting roads for cycling, and endorsed by UK guidance (Type
"LTN208" into your favourite search engine if interested)
Richard
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Richard
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Richard Mann <
richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> While we're about it, there's a few other potential values for cycleway
> (for interest mainly):
>
> cycleway=buslane (shared with buses)
>
Has potential.
> cycleway=filterlane (explicitly shared wit
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
>
> On 08/12/2009, at 11.17, Steve Bennett wrote:
>
> > Given this, it would be fair to say that the "meaning" of
> > cycleway=track is a two-way copenhagen-style bike lane.
>
> If "copenhagen-style" refers to the danish capital, this is so
While we're about it, there's a few other potential values for cycleway (for
interest mainly):
cycleway=buslane (shared with buses)
cycleway=filterlane (explicitly shared with nearside-turning traffic)
cycleway=tight (nearside lane is shared with traffic and is <3.1m wide
cycleway=spacious (nearsi
Could you point us to an example, please?
Richard
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
>
> On 08/12/2009, at 11.17, Steve Bennett wrote:
>
> > Given this, it would be fair to say that the "meaning" of
> > cycleway=track is a two-way copenhagen-style bike lane.
>
> Incidental
On 08/12/2009, at 11.17, Steve Bennett wrote:
> Given this, it would be fair to say that the "meaning" of
> cycleway=track is a two-way copenhagen-style bike lane.
Incidentally, OSMArender draws cycleway=track in a style suggesting
that there's a bikepath in both sides of the street.
Cheers
On 08/12/2009, at 11.17, Steve Bennett wrote:
> Given this, it would be fair to say that the "meaning" of
> cycleway=track is a two-way copenhagen-style bike lane.
If "copenhagen-style" refers to the danish capital, this is something
of a misnomer; there are practically _always_ a one-way pa
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Andre Engels wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Richard Mann
> wrote:
>
>> I wasn't aware of any distinction between cycleway=track and
>> highway=cycleway, other than that the first doesn't render (yet) and the
>> second renders badly.
>
> I don't think th
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Richard Mann
wrote:
> I wasn't aware of any distinction between cycleway=track and
> highway=cycleway, other than that the first doesn't render (yet) and the
> second renders badly.
I don't think there's much difference in nature, it's more a
difference in the wa
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Richard Mann <
richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I wasn't aware of any distinction between cycleway=track and
> highway=cycleway, other than that the first doesn't render (yet) and the
> second renders badly.
>
>
There is officially not one, but:
1) h
I think Steve meant "adjacent to the roadway such that you can move
onto/across the roadway at your convenience". This adjacency is important in
jurisdictions where cyclists are allowed to do this (ie where the use of the
lane/track is optional), and where there are a significant prevalence of
side
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> Yeah, but it's really just an enhanced bike lane - a path for bikes that
> closely follows the road. To me, the "follows the road" is the crucial
> distinction, so it's a kind of cycleway=lane, possibly with another tag.
I disagree; cycleway
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Richard Mann wrote:
> I think the norm is to use British English on OSM. "Kerb" is a specialised
> spelling of "curb" used only in this context (according to the Oxford
> English Dictionary). Kerb is also US English for this (apparently). There
> might be somewhere else that us
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Pieren wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Richard Mann
> >
> > I'm tending towards cycleway=lane+segregated=kerb (or cycleway=track if
> it's
> > two-way)
> >
>
> Not sure that cycleway=lane is best here since the cycleway is not
> part of the car road. Ther
The Danish ones tend to be next to the road (and tend to become painted
lanes on the approach to junctions). If there's anything more than a shallow
kerb between the cycle-path and the road, then I'd agree - it's a track.
Richard
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Pieren wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 7, 20
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Richard Mann
>
> I'm tending towards cycleway=lane+segregated=kerb (or cycleway=track if it's
> two-way)
>
Not sure that cycleway=lane is best here since the cycleway is not
part of the car road. There is a real physical separation (the kerb or
curb) and even car p
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
> Regarding the "kerb" vs. "curb" question, the dictionary tells me that
> "kerb" is british english, whereas "curb" is international english. I think
> we want to stick with international english, right?
>
I think the norm is to use Britis
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
>
> On 06/12/2009, at 16.16, Dave F. wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately I couldn't view your photo, but going on Steve B.'s link,
>
> Oops, I forgot to attach the pictures. Try again :-) The first picture
> is typical of a city street, where you'll often see cars parked on the
> s
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
> I'd map it separate from the road & tag it as highway=cycleway & leave
>> it as that.
>> It makes cycleway=track redundant:
>>
>
>
> We use this in several cases, however, we have so many cycleways here, that
> in cities it becomes unman
On 06/12/2009, at 16.16, Dave F. wrote:
Unfortunately I couldn't view your photo, but going on Steve B.'s
link,
Oops, I forgot to attach the pictures. Try again :-) The first picture
is typical of a city street, where you'll often see cars parked on the
street along the cycleway. The sec
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
> Hi,...
>
Unfortunately I couldn't view your photo, but going on Steve B.'s link,
I'd map it separate from the road & tag it as highway=cycleway & leave
it as that.
It makes cycleway=track redundant:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycleway.
Cheers
Dave F.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Richard Mann <
richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> But in the end, clarity is all that is required, so cycleway=kerb probably
> does the job.
>
> I would go for "kerb" rather than "curb", though. "Curb" is more of a
> general word for restrictions.
>
In the UK the distinction between lane and track is essentially that tracks
are not part of the road, so you are allowed to travel in the "wrong"
direction, albeit that there's a bit of an accident problem when crossing
side roads :(
So I think of the Danish lanes/tracks as a kerb-separated lane, w
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
> * lane is a bicycle route that is separated from the driveway with
> a painted line on the pavement.
> * track is a bicycle route that is separate from the road. On the
> picture, it is separated by a strip of grass.
>
> In Denmark, e
Hi,
From recent discussions on the talk-dk list, it seems that all
mappers who have spoken out agree that the current scheme for tagging
cycleways [0] is not adequate for conditions in Denmark.
The currently available values on the cycleway key are: lane and track
(apart from the opposite*
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