Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior

2008-09-02 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 2 Sep 2008, at 00:32, Sascha Silbe wrote: > On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 12:58:48AM +0200, bvh wrote: > >> Well, and it breaks my expectation of what reply means in the >> context of >> a public discussion. Should you have different expectations, see the >> documentation of your mail client (hint

Re: [OSM-talk] sac_scale calibration?

2008-09-02 Thread Raphael Studer
> What I find a little difficult, is the border between hiking, mountain_hiking > and demanding_mountain_hiking. It's always difficult to tag, not just hiking routes :) > These ones, hiking or mountain-hiking? > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810112943/ > > http://www.flickr.com/pho

Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior

2008-09-02 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 02-Sep-08, at 12:29 PM, Shaun McDonald wrote: >> This thread is going nowhere, so let's just end it. You don't get my >> point and I don't agree with your "solution". > > > Take a look at > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > and stop bickering about the way you have to reply to t

Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior

2008-09-02 Thread vegard
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 07:59:17AM +0100, Shaun McDonald wrote: > Take a look at > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > and stop bickering about the way you have to reply to the mailing list. > My mailer, mutt, has a List-reply that does *exactly* what I want, i.e. it finds the talk@o

[OSM-talk] Ito World offers expanded Coverage for OSM Mapper to include Africa, the Middle East, Asia, Australasia, South America and Canada

2008-09-02 Thread Peter Miller
I am delighted to announce that we have now increased 'OSM Mapper' coverage to include Africa, the Middle East, Asia, Australasia, South America and Canada. More details available on our blog: http://itoworld.blogspot.com/2008/08/expanded-coverage-for-osm-mapper.html If you don't know what 'OS

[OSM-talk] How do I....?

2008-09-02 Thread Rob Reid
I usually do some coastline error clean-up in my spare time and there is a couple of things that I would find helpful that I have never worked out how to do so I want to check if there is an easy way to do them that I am missing. - If I double left click on an openlayers map it re-centres and z

[OSM-talk] mobile_dev mailing list?

2008-09-02 Thread Chris Browet
As many might have noticed, almost all the new mobile devices include a GPS chip these days. This is a great opportunity for OSM in general and mappers in particular. To avoid mobile specific topics to be lost in the mainstream of small talk (30 post to discuss mailing list reply functionality is

Re: [OSM-talk] ferry route speed

2008-09-02 Thread Thorsten Feles
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) schrieb: > David Groom wrote: >> Sent: 01 September 2008 11:59 PM >> To: talk@openstreetmap.org >> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] ferry route speed >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Gervase Markham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 01,

Re: [OSM-talk] Ito World offers expanded Coverage for OSM Mapper to include Africa, the Middle East, Asia, Australasia, South America and Canada

2008-09-02 Thread maning sambale
Yay! \o/ On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Peter Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am delighted to announce that we have now increased 'OSM Mapper' coverage > to include Africa, the Middle East, Asia, Australasia, South America and > Canada. More details available on our blog: > > http://itowor

Re: [OSM-talk] arbitrary markers on main map

2008-09-02 Thread Ed Loach
David wrote: > Go to the Export tab on www.openstreetmap.org, > choose embeddable HTML > click add marker to map > copy the Iframe output and see the URL it contains OK. I'll admit I'm still fairly new at all this, but clicking the Export tab doesn't look any different to me to the View tab. Wher

Re: [OSM-talk] arbitrary markers on main map

2008-09-02 Thread Ed Loach
I wrote: > OK. I'll admit I'm still fairly new at all this, but clicking > the Export tab doesn't look any different to me to the View > tab. Where do I choose embeddable HTML? Forget I asked. I thought to try using Firefox and now get an extra pane of options. It was IE where the View and Export

Re: [OSM-talk] arbitrary markers on main map

2008-09-02 Thread Tom Hughes
Ed Loach wrote: > I wrote: > >> OK. I'll admit I'm still fairly new at all this, but clicking >> the Export tab doesn't look any different to me to the View >> tab. Where do I choose embeddable HTML? > > Forget I asked. I thought to try using Firefox and now get an extra > pane of options. It was

Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior

2008-09-02 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 09:23:13AM +0200, vegard wrote: And for the only semi-technical argument that you break something that can't be repaired: I have *never* ever placed a reply-to to something other than my from-adress, and expected it to work, without *also* stating explicitly at the end of

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch

2008-09-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > spaetz wrote: >>Sent: 01 September 2008 7:50 PM >>To: talk@openstreetmap.org >>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch >> >>On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 07:25:12PM +0100, Tri

Re: [OSM-talk] Path rendering in the cycleway

2008-09-02 Thread Erik Johansson
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) > Frederik Ramm wrote: >>If I can get 100 people to map something by allowing three different >>ways of doing it, then this is much better than getting only 51 people >>mapping it the "one true way". > > here here This is such a bad

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch

2008-09-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
spaetz wrote: > On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:08:11AM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: >> - and that it's possible to represent an exact mph in kph anyway if >> you can really be bothered: 1mile == 1.609344km exactly > > Do you always carry your calculator with you when mapping or do you > do it by hand

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch

2008-09-02 Thread spaetz
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:08:11AM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: > I think we had this discussion before and came to the conclusion that: > - 50mph was essentially mapping a sign, because the speed limit is a > speed, not a unit ... And as some applications might want to show the precise sign value,

Re: [OSM-talk] arbitrary markers on main map

2008-09-02 Thread Ed Loach
I wrote: > Forget I asked. I thought to try using Firefox and now get an > extra > pane of options. It was IE where the View and Export tabs look > the > same for me. I've had emails saying it works for others in IE. I just tried on my work machine and it works on IE there, so it's my machine. A

Re: [OSM-talk] How do I....?

2008-09-02 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:56 AM, Rob Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - In Josm is there a way to re-centre to the the area you have just > downloaded? For example I edit, fix and upload one problem bit of > coastline, I then identify the next problem in the coast line error > checker and download

Re: [OSM-talk] mobile_dev mailing list?

2008-09-02 Thread Nic Roets
Or just 'mobile' list ? On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Chris Browet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As many might have noticed, almost all the new mobile devices include a GPS > chip these days. > > This is a great opportunity for OSM in general and mappers in particular. > > To avoid mobile speci

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch

2008-09-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:08 AM, spaetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:08:11AM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: > >> I think we had this discussion before and came to the conclusion that: >> - 50mph was essentially mapping a sign, because the speed limit is a >> speed, not a unit

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch

2008-09-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > spaetz wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:08:11AM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: >>> - and that it's possible to represent an exact mph in kph anyway if >>> you can really be bothered: 1mile == 1.609344km exactly >> >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Path rendering in the cycleway

2008-09-02 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/9/1 Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ... which can be fixed at a later time, if desired. Trying to create rules why fix it later, that creates extra work? and what do you mean 'fixed'? i thought having them mapped with one of 3 different tagging schemes was a good thing? > upfront runs a

[OSM-talk] incomplete tags sac_scale

2008-09-02 Thread Alessio Zanol
Using osmxapi i've discovered that there are a lot of "wrong" sac_scale tags. I think that the reason is due a missing underscore in two-words vaules like "mountain_hiking" written as "mountain hiking". What should we do? is it possible to do a batch correction? Here some stats: --

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch

2008-09-02 Thread 80n
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:08 AM, spaetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:08:11AM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: > > > >> I think we had this discussion before and came to the conclusion that: > >> - 50mph

Re: [OSM-talk] Path rendering in the cycleway

2008-09-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/9/1 Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> ... which can be fixed at a later time, if desired. Trying to create rules > > why fix it later, that creates extra work? and what do you mean > 'fixed'? i thought having them m

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch

2008-09-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
80n wrote: > Here's one: http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.php/5922d576/48b0f367 I can beat that. There are signs on the canal in Market Harborough and Leicester proclaiming the speed limit to be 6.43km/h... you can guess why. cheers Richard ___

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMHQ (Open Street Map High Quality): Viable Alternative For The National Map Corps

2008-09-02 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Nate, What data are you talking about? Do you mean the actual vector geometry created as part of the mapping, or do you mean the extra stuff, like the metadata and the photos? The Sunburned Surveyor On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Nathan Vander Wilt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 19, 20

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch

2008-09-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:41 PM, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:08 AM, spaetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:08:11AM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: >> > >> >> I think we

[OSM-talk] OSM article in Japanese Software Design magazine

2008-09-02 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
Here's a well written long article (in English) that's just been published in Japan's popular Software Design magazine http://gihyo.jp/admin/serial/01/pacific/200809 "Pacific Connection- OpenStreetMap: The Map that Anyone Can Edit" ___ talk mailing lis

Re: [OSM-talk] Path rendering in the cycleway

2008-09-02 Thread Gervase Markham
Erik Johansson wrote: > Sprinkle your data with note="bla bla" tags so it's possible to see > what the meaning was. So your solution is to have a database which is human-understandable (with a lot of reading and effort) but not computer-understandable? That seems to break rather a large number of

Re: [OSM-talk] Path rendering in the cycleway

2008-09-02 Thread Gervase Markham
Christoph Eckert wrote: > What I was meaning was the other way around: IMO there's nothing wrong with > having more than one tagging scheme for one and the same thing. If there was > highway=footway, highway=foot_way and highway=way.foot in the database, > what's the (really huge) disadvantage?

Re: [OSM-talk] ferry route speed

2008-09-02 Thread Gervase Markham
Shaun McDonald wrote: > That low speed is far too low. When I was on the Holyhead to Dublin > ferries recently, my GPS was giving 45mph for the return journey, and > 25-30mph for the outward (different ferries, the return was the swift > fastcraft). Hmm. Perhaps we need maxcrossingtime and m

Re: [OSM-talk] Connecting ferry routes to roads?

2008-09-02 Thread Oliver Lewis
This had me straight off to look at the channel tunnel, which is tagged as a railway. Fair enough but no router is going to send cars that way. Should I add highway=service to the same way and connect it to the road network, or add a separate way or find another way to convey that the trains carr

Re: [OSM-talk] Connecting ferry routes to roads?

2008-09-02 Thread Shaun McDonald
motorcar=yes/train/transported Oliver Lewis wrote: > This had me straight off to look at the channel tunnel, which is > tagged as a railway. Fair enough but no router is going to send cars > that way. Should I add highway=service to the same way and connect it > to the road network, or add a

Re: [OSM-talk] Connecting ferry routes to roads?

2008-09-02 Thread Peter Miller
Good point. I would suggest that the cars are carried on public transport along a 'route' defined using the route relation of type=railway. I would suggest that the road network is connected to the railway station at each end and possibly also to one or more railway platforms (but that is not yet a

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch

2008-09-02 Thread cobaco
On Tuesday 2008-09-02, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > spaetz wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:08:11AM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: > >> - and that it's possible to represent an exact mph in kph anyway if > >> you can really be bothered: 1mile == 1.609344km exactly > > > > Do you always carry your ca

Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior

2008-09-02 Thread cobaco
On Sunday 2008-08-31, leblatt wrote: > No big deal, but when I hit < reply > on a talk@openstreetmap.org > message, it replies to the message originator, not the list. I have to > hit "reply all", and remove the originator. which is why most email software has a reply-to-list function > On the Fr

[OSM-talk] OpenRouteService now supports UK and Ireland

2008-09-02 Thread Pascal Neis
hi, all services of openrouteservice.org now also available for UK and Ireland. have fun! cheers pascal http://openrouteservice.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior

2008-09-02 Thread cobaco
On Monday 2008-09-01, Christopher Woods wrote: > > I guess you are not aware of the "reply all" button in > > thunderbird which does send to the mailing list, so it's only > > logical that "reply" does not send to the ML. > > > > Yes, "reply all" does send a copy directly to the author, but > > mai

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenRouteService now supports UK and Ireland

2008-09-02 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/9/2 Pascal Neis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > all services of openrouteservice.org > now also available for UK and Ireland. Go raibh míle maith agaibh! (= vielen herzlichen Dank!) Some of the routing decisions between secondary and higher road categories are interesting, but in Ireland at least, i

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch

2008-09-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
cobaco wrote: > hm, does that statue specify which mile they're talking about? If it > doesn't, can one interpret it as one of the longer miles (see the wikipedia > page, theres about a dozen different definitions of mile, ranging from 1.? > km to 11.? km) And don't forget that the metre was rede

[OSM-talk] amenity=vending_machine AND amenity=post_box: what about?

2008-09-02 Thread Pierre-André Jacquod
Hi, there is a proposal for vending_machine at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/vending_machine but there has been no vote for it. Is someone already using it? I have several cases where I have post boxes to map, with their stamp selling machine. Currently I have not yet

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch

2008-09-02 Thread cobaco
On Tuesday 2008-09-02, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > cobaco wrote: > > hm, does that statue specify which mile they're talking about? If it > > doesn't, can one interpret it as one of the longer miles (see the > > wikipedia page, theres about a dozen different definitions of mile, > > ranging from 1.?

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterways/ditch

2008-09-02 Thread leblatt
I was taught a metre was a 40 millionth of the equator at the temperature of 4 celcius degrees. > -Message d'origine- > De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Richard Fairhurst > Envoyé : mardi 2 septembre 2008 20:17 > À : talk@openstreetmap.org > Objet : Re

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=vending_machine AND amenity=post_box: what about?

2008-09-02 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Pierre-André Jacquod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently, I have never seen a stamp vending machine without its post > box. That is why I intended to mark these with something like: > > amenity=post_box > vending_machine=yes > > Is there a (strange:-) country wher

Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior

2008-09-02 Thread Ed Loach
Cobaco wrote: > nope, a decent email client is supposed to have to following: > 1) reply to sender -> reply to from adress (or contents of > reply-to header > if present) > 2) reply to all -> reply to every adress present > 3) reply to list -> reply to value of list-post head

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=vending_machine AND amenity=post_box: what about?

2008-09-02 Thread vegard
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 03:30:26PM -0400, Adam Schreiber wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Pierre-André Jacquod > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Currently, I have never seen a stamp vending machine without its post > > box. That is why I intended to mark these with something like: > > > > am

Re: [OSM-talk] Path rendering in the cycleway

2008-09-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > why fix it later, that creates extra work? and what do you mean > 'fixed'? i thought having them mapped with one of 3 different tagging > schemes was a good thing? I agree with Dave's responses so won't repeat them. Just a few extra points: > no-one's forcing anybody. lots of people use ma

Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior

2008-09-02 Thread cobaco
On Tuesday 2008-09-02, Ed Loach wrote: > Cobaco wrote: > > nope, a decent email client is supposed to have to following: > > 1) reply to sender -> reply to from adress (or contents of > > reply-to header > > if present) > > 2) reply to all -> reply to every adress present > >

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenRouteService now supports UK and Ireland

2008-09-02 Thread Kevin Ryan
The routing is a bit off for the places that I tried (Shannon to Newmarket on Fergus, Ireland) I *love* the POI feature. For people that are looking for different renders of the map to show different amenities, it can pretty much do it in an instant! It's a winner. Cheers. 2008/9/2 Dermot McNal

Re: [OSM-talk] ferry route speed

2008-09-02 Thread Kevin Ryan
Should probably give some indication of the max and min. Helsinki to Tallinn can be done in about 40-45 minutes during the summer in the fast ferries. Winter time the fastest is about 4 hours. 2008/9/2 Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Shaun McDonald wrote: > > That low speed is far too low

Re: [OSM-talk] Path rendering in the cycleway

2008-09-02 Thread Erik Johansson
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Erik Johansson wrote: >> Sprinkle your data with note="bla bla" tags so it's possible to see >> what the meaning was. > > So your solution is to have a database which is human-understandable > (with a lot of reading and ef

Re: [OSM-talk] Menorca under the water

2008-09-02 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Iván Sánchez Ortega schrieb: El Lunes, 1 de Septiembre de 2008, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio escribió: Menorca was once part of the British empire. In fact, some Menorcan old peasants still say 'vindou' (from the English 'window') instead of the Latin 'finestra'. So I think they deserve something

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenRouteService now supports UK and Ireland

2008-09-02 Thread Lester Caine
Pascal Neis wrote: > hi, > all services of openrouteservice.org > now also available for UK and Ireland. > > have fun! > > cheers > pascal > > http://openrouteservice.org/ What am I not doing? It keeps telling me that England is outside the area it covers :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL --

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenRouteService now supports UK and Ireland

2008-09-02 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/9/2 Kevin Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The routing is a bit off for the places that I tried (Shannon to Newmarket > on Fergus, Ireland) I see what you mean - this is a bit like what happens if you plan a route out of Dublin towards Limerick - it takes a shorter route to the Naas Road rather th