Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-07-30 Thread Christoph Boehme
Christoph Böhme christ...@b3e.net wrote: Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com schrieb: I am also aware that there is a 50K place gazetteer sitting there untouched - last week I was adding villages in Norfolk by hand and the data is sitting available in NPTG. I taught myself XSLT at

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Can feature names be determined from copyrighted data?

2009-07-30 Thread Grant Slater
2009/7/30 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Pavel Zubkou wrote: Can I look at *copyrighted* map for a name of lake that is placed at about 10km northen from city X? It is best to be paranoid. Live in the belief that all in copyright maps are covered in Trap Streets [1] (or names) waiting

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Can feature names be determined from copyrighted data?

2009-07-30 Thread Pavel Zubkou
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Grant Slateropenstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: It is best to be paranoid. Live in the belief that all in copyright maps are covered in Trap Streets [1] (or names) waiting to catch us out. 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street In Belarus maps are an

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:07:08 +0200, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: 2. It says that the main use is for city_limit. Again, why not. But the other examples are very questionable : traffic_sign=maxspeed:30 or traffic_sign=DE:239 break some practices we had until now like key=value and not

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:08:28 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I know about others: maxspeedtype=ITA:city for example, or maxspeed=DE:walk I don't understand why key:country=value is different to key=country:value but I would like to learn about it. In that one

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:36:10AM +0200, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:07:08 +0200, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: 2. It says that the main use is for city_limit. Again, why not. But the other examples are very questionable : traffic_sign=maxspeed:30 or

[OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:44:32AM +0200, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: In that one case it's okay. Reason: * There can only be ONE maxspeed on a road. ever! Please add per direction on a road. Still waiting for a good way to tag maxspeed per direction. What we call a

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: Probably a maxspeed:forward=50 + maxspeed:reverse=100 or something - How does this combine with wet and probably even vehicle based limits ... maxspeed:forward:motorcycle=50 I've been setting maxspeed to the lowest value and then

[OSM-talk] Mapping Africa's soil

2009-07-30 Thread Marc Coevoet
Hello, Just found this article in Research.eu magazine: http://www.ciat.cgiar.org/newsroom/release_35.htm (it is more about nature / health of soil ..) I do not know if this is usefull, the org is there to contact, I know about people doing mapping of African countries in Ghent university.

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Maarten Deen
Florian Lohoff wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:44:32AM +0200, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: In that one case it's okay. Reason: * There can only be ONE maxspeed on a road. ever! Please add per direction on a road. Still waiting for a good way to tag maxspeed per direction. What

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread OJ W
their kit looks quite bulky. I've got just one videocamera (and no LIDAR) fitted, and it all mounts on handlebars with room to spare for other stuff. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Georeference_video Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? other people

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:17:22 +1000, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: I have made a proposal for a tag ... I think this will only

[OSM-talk] Crawley, UK, streets completed

2009-07-30 Thread David Ebling
Just a little trumpet-blowing announcement ;) After about 18 months steady adding, I now believe I have completed Crawley, West Sussex, UK (population 100k+) in terms of streets and street names. http://osm.org/go/eurnrkJ?layers=000BFTF I'm planning to take a bit of a break from OSM for a

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: much more. Since many countries have two different signs for max legal height and max physical height, and its usages can be very different, why not allow this in tags? So why not just use maxheight=* and

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings - a website

2009-07-30 Thread Ken Guest
When I expound on why I'm so passionate about contributing towards OpenStreetMap is this is one of the reasons: 1/ Consider that you've moved into a new area and need to know * which pharmacy is open the latest * where the nearest health care centre is * the quickest route that isn't obstructed

Re: [OSM-talk] i18n-rich areas on the map

2009-07-30 Thread Ed Avis
Emilie Laffray emilie.laffray at gmail.com writes: For example the Imperial Palace in Tokyo would have name:en=Imperial Palace name:jp at Romaji=koukyo name:jp=?? However, I do believe that translitteration is worthy of appearing in name:en when none exists. I agree that when no

Re: [OSM-talk] Crawley, UK, streets completed

2009-07-30 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Nice work Dave :-) If you are looking for inspiration of what to map next, then the mappa-mercia [1] page on the wiki gives a few mini project ideas. After we completed the Birmingham base map last year we started looking at new ideas and so far that's what we've come up with. Certainly keeps a

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:36 AM, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: It has been discussed at length before. Please consult the archive first. Did you check yourself the archive before submitting this comment ? I did and the only mention I found (searching traffic_sign) was inside another

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Florian Lohofff...@rfc822.org wrote: I started tagging the sign when i started with maxspeed as it sometimes help the orientation in the data when adding maxspeed. Could you explain what you mean by help the orientation in the data ? Do you mean that maxspeed

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-30 Thread Marc Schütz
I want to talk about this page on the wiki describing how to map tunnels correctly: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tunnel#How_to_Map Especially the last paragraph causes headaches to me: If the tunnel ends in a junction you'll need a small un-tunneled way between the end of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net: this might be a logical topic: we are mapping the center of the road. The tunnel can not end at the center of the crossing road, because this road itself is not a tunnel. (you will have at least half the width of the crossing road untunneled). No, IMO

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Gervase Markham
On 30/07/09 09:26, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: much more. Since many countries have two different signs for max legal height and max physical height, and its usages can be very different, why not allow this in tags? Can you provide sample images for such signs? I confess I find it hard

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-30 Thread Marc Schütz
this might be a logical topic: we are mapping the center of the road. The tunnel can not end at the center of the crossing road, because this road itself is not a tunnel. (you will have at least half the width of the crossing road untunneled). No, IMO we're mapping the entire road, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com: their kit looks quite bulky.  I've got just one videocamera (and no LIDAR) fitted, and it all mounts on handlebars with room to spare for other stuff. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Georeference_video Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? I guess they are recording in higher resolutions. The problem with I don't know what res street view in general is but you can't read most

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
John Smith wrote: Sent: 30 July 2009 10:42 AM To: OJ W; m...@koppenhoefer.com Cc: OSM Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic?

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Lester Caine
OJ W wrote: Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? THAT I think is the big mistake that Google made. Pushing the camera head up so that it looks OVER security walls and hedges is what annoys people the most. If a person has to use a ladder to obtain a

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Liz
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Florian Lohoff wrote: In that one case it's okay. Reason: * There can only be ONE maxspeed on a road. ever! Please add per direction on a road. at a given time. (we have reduced maxspeed in front of schools depending on time, day and whether it is term time)

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:17:02 +0100, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: On 30/07/09 09:26, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: much more. Since many countries have two different signs for max legal height and max physical height, and its usages can be very different, why not allow this in

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: You also mentioned sailboats under bridges, are you planning to update the clearance 24 hours a day, 7 days a week as the tide goes in and out? You are clearly not familiar with the term free sailing height

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea t raffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:41:07 +0200, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Florian Lohoff wrote: Not only in a corner. In Germany the A3, going down the Elzer Berg (near Limburg an der Lahn in the eastward direction) has a speedlimit of 40 km/h on the right lane and 100 km/h (or 120? haven't

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: at a given time. (we have reduced maxspeed in front of schools depending on time, day and whether it is term time) There are other roads that have variable limit speed signs and they can change at any time. There is also changes in

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: at a given time. (we have reduced maxspeed in front of schools depending on time, day and whether it is term time) There are other roads that have variable limit speed signs and they can

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net: Maybe not in all cases, but have a look at this example: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=degeocode=q=bayreuthsll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=59.467068,107.138672ie=UTF8ll=49.935936,11.646567spn=0.000375,0.000817t=kz=21 It'd be hard to argue that

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: And in my own jurisdiction: to be able to set maxspeed=none for bicycles when there is no explicit maxspeed sign. :D bikes have the same speed limits here as every other thing on wheels, and even horses for that matter, and you can get

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: actually even though the definition in the wiki might not specify it unambigously and explicitly the current use of maxheight These things should be explicitly stated, otherwise people interpret it differently :) (as

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:41:11 + (GMT), John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: actually even though the definition in the wiki might not specify it unambigously and explicitly the current use of maxheight These

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: And in my own jurisdiction: to be able to set maxspeed=none for bicycles when there is no explicit maxspeed sign. :D bikes have the same speed limits here as every other thing on wheels, and

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: will continue on my proposal. Without any clearification on the existing tag, than it will be more confusing than adding new tags. I have atleast stated in the definition of the tag how it is to be used. No, 2

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Lennard
2009/7/30 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: bikes have the same speed limits here as every other thing on wheels, and even horses for that matter, and you can get tickets like all the other wheeled vehicles and even get done for drink driving on horses and ride on lawn mowers. That's

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Maarten Deen
marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:41:07 +0200, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Florian Lohoff wrote: Not only in a corner. In Germany the A3, going down the Elzer Berg (near Limburg an der Lahn in the eastward direction) has a speedlimit of 40 km/h on the

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Maarten Deen
Lennard wrote: Exactly, it's a moot point, and I included it mostly to make the point that there are so many subtle ways to handle maxspeed, that it would be difficult to make an all-encompassing tagging scheme. At some point, you'll just have to go with a generalized solution. The general

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Peter Childs
2009/7/30 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net: On 30/07/09 09:26, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: much more. Since many countries have two different signs for max legal height and max physical height, and its usages can be very different, why not allow this in tags? Can you provide sample

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Lennard
Lennard wrote: The general solution is maxspeed is the highest of the maxspeeds of all classes of vehicle on that road. See also the signs we have in continental europe when you enter a country: there is usually a large sign specifying the maximum speeds on different roads (within town,

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: In that case, your 100/100/40 example is easily collapsed into maxspeed=100. Let's see ... Hey, that's the current tagging scheme, already! Why did we need a change? :-) Current GPSr's are only capable of knowing within 10m, most lanes

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
Florian Lohoff wrote: maxspeed:wet:forward:motorcycle=50 Afterwards add time based maxspeeds :) I think we'd need a generic way to tag conditional ... Have you already participated in the syntax poll for

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes:     secondary is typically used for travel at least 25km (between     multiple towns)     tertiary is used to get to secondary roads (to get to the 'real     road' in the next town) this is working well for out-of-town situations. Inside

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com: this is working well for out-of-town situations. Inside urban good point; that's what I am used to thinking about. agglomerations there should be different criteria though (and not necessarily they are physical, what is my point: let's put the

[OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Lulu-Ann
Hi there, on the SotM09 there was agreement that the search field should be visible at the upper left of the screen in all screen resolutions on http://www.openstreetmap.org . This is not realized yet. Who can do it, please? Thanks Lulu-Ann -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:01:09AM +0200, Pieren wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Florian Lohofff...@rfc822.org wrote: I started tagging the sign when i started with maxspeed as it sometimes help the orientation in the data when adding maxspeed. Could you explain what you mean by

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Tom Hughes
On 30/07/09 15:01, lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: on the SotM09 there was agreement that the search field should be visible at the upper left of the screen in all screen resolutions on http://www.openstreetmap.org . Funny, I obviously missed that. This is not realized yet. Who can do it, please?

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: Lennard wrote: Exactly, it's a moot point, and I included it mostly to make the point that there are so many subtle ways to handle maxspeed, that it would be difficult to make an all-encompassing tagging scheme. At some point, you'll just have to go

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Tom Hughest...@compton.nu wrote: There are also issues with search at the moment which mean we don't actually want to make it too prominent. It's worth pointing out that there are developers who are working on improving the search (primarily David Earl), so

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Jonas Krückel
Tom Hughes schrieb: On 30/07/09 15:01, lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: on the SotM09 there was agreement that the search field should be visible at the upper left of the screen in all screen resolutions on http://www.openstreetmap.org . Funny, I obviously missed that. +1 This is

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread David Earl
Andy Allan wrote: It's worth pointing out that there are developers who are working on improving the search (primarily David Earl), so it's a known issue that's being worked on rather than something that's being ignored. Indeed. I am currently reloading the index from the planet file. The

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Maarten Deen
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: And obviously you're also not travelling to Poland, otherwise you would have seen this sign: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Speedlimitsinpoland.png/424px-Speedlimitsinpoland.png Nope, I haven't. And if I was driving past it I wouldn't know

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Yann Coupin
Just out of curiosity, is the indexing/search code available somewhere? I'm intrigued by geosearch... Yann Le 30 juil. 09 à 17:01, David Earl a écrit : Andy Allan wrote: It's worth pointing out that there are developers who are working on improving the search (primarily David Earl), so

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Andy Allan
See the following: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Name_finder http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/sites/namefinder Cheers, Andy On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Yann Coupiny...@coupin.net wrote: Just out of curiosity, is the indexing/search code available somewhere? I'm intrigued

[OSM-talk] Reverting Node Move

2009-07-30 Thread Andrew Ayre
Hi, I select a way with approx 2,000 nodes and move it in JOSM. I then commit the change. This creates v2 of the nodes but the way is still v1. How do I revert this changeset? It seems Potlatch can only revert ways? thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about gps coordinates 001W0547 convert to -1.0547

2009-07-30 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El día Wednesday 29 July 2009 18:39:29, Marc Coevoet dijo: I want to convert to something where 001W0547 becomes -1.0547 Have a look at cs2cs, part of the proj.4 suite. It excels at conversions of decimal/sexagesimal/whatever geographical coordinates. If cs2cs doesn't do the job, you'll have

[OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-30 Thread OJ W
I put a wrapper around the rather excellent http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script which can tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.51lon=-0.05 - which replies that the specified numbers are in Tower

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-30 Thread Claudius
Am 30.07.2009 20:59, OJ W: I put a wrapper around the rather excellent http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script which can tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.51lon=-0.05 - which replies that the

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread OJ W
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk wrote: OJ W wrote: Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? THAT I think is the big mistake that Google made. Pushing the camera head up so that it looks OVER security walls and hedges is what

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Lester Caine
Yann Coupin wrote: The problem is that your reasoning doesn't take bus/coach/hgv into account. You're probably going to be as high in each of those vehicules as Google's cams are... Not on many of the private roads that are now being photographed but from which large vehicles are banned -

Re: [OSM-talk] Reverting Node Move

2009-07-30 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
as far as I understand the db this is correct. the way uses the same nodes. no need to increase the version the way doesn't have any additional location info On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote: Hi, I select a way with approx 2,000 nodes and move it in

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/7/30 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: Simply filming and saying 'we will remove pictures if you want' is just arrogance that should not be condoned. What's wrong with it? Where's the exact line dividing looking with naked eye and filming? Since a camera is a set of light sensors and

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Ulf Lamping
Tom Hughes schrieb: The whole home page needs a redesign, and I don't really want to start fiddling with little things like this when we should be doing the job properly. There are also issues with search at the moment which mean we don't actually want to make it too prominent. Since

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, andrzej zaborowski wrote: The idea of google streetview infringing anybody's privacy is so misled. I'm sure there is lots of intelligent argument on both sides of the fence and I have no desire of going into the details here. But on a more general note - I think that someone's privacy is

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread simon
I meant to send this to the list As an idea for 'openstreetviewbike' you could use a single camera pointing straight up with a rotating mirror above it in order to capture in all directions at once. The velocity of the bike would probably be OK to still capture pictures with close enough

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread simon
I meant to send this to the list... What's wrong with it? Where's the exact line dividing looking with naked eye and filming? I think that the difference here is that they make the images available for others to view. There can be a great difference between taking a picture of a drunk,

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread simon
As an idea for 'openstreetviewbike' you could use a single camera pointing straight up with a rotating mirror above it in order to capture in all directions at once. A colleague suggested using a hi-res camera shooting upwards onto a fixed multi-angle mirror. How much resolution do you need

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about gps coordinates 001W0547 convert to -1.0547

2009-07-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi Marc Coevoet wrote: 004E4800,47N2000 002W2300,57N 001W0547,51N4823 013E2600,47N3400 013E2600,47N3400 013E2600,47N3400 013E2600,47N3400 013E2500,47N3343 to something where 001W0547 becomes -1.0547 That can actually be done with sed on the Unix command line: % sed -e

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: The maxheight for a feature such as a bridge is the maximum height of an object of the standard type that will fit under it. No, the maxheight for a way refers to the maximum height *above* it (not under it).

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:41 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: Either way, expanding the existing tag makes more sense than creating 2 differently named tags which will cause even more confusion and duplication. I agree. So, how about maxheight:physical, maxheight:legal, and leave

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:25:17 +1000, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:41 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: Either way, expanding the existing tag makes more sense than creating 2 differently named tags which will cause even more confusion and

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:51 PM, si...@mungewell.org wrote: A Canon EOS Rebel, a few mirrors and some glue... might be an interesting experiment. The Canon 30D (for example) is rated for 100,000 shutter cycles. If you take a shot every 1-10 seconds, you'll be able to go for roughly 6

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: If this is your suggestion to solve this, than I suggest you do something about it and get that information on the maxheight documentation. I am not sure how you intend this to be done. When you have a process

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Ian Dees wrote: That's why Google uses high-res digital video cameras running on Firewire on their rigs. I was more expecting the Elphel board design ;) Using 20MP kodak's CCDs like they use in their book digitizing stuff. Stefan

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, si...@mungewell.org si...@mungewell.org wrote: What's wrong with it?  Where's the exact line dividing looking with naked eye and filming? I think that the difference here is that they make the images available for others to view. There can be a great difference

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: It's basically there to decide whether to use colons as in your example or switch to something like maxspeed[wet][forward][motorcycle]. Why? Well, because those time conditions tend to have colons in You split based on the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: I agree. So, how about maxheight:physical, maxheight:legal, and leave room for others if there is a demonstrable need in future? ... If this is your suggestion to solve this, than I suggest you do

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
You split based on the equal sign and it doesn't matter that the time condition or key uses colons. Actually you don't have to, key values and key tags are stored independently of each other, writing it with an equal sign is simply a way of describing it and has nothing to do with how

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-30 Thread Matthias Versen
Hello ! Cool. Any idea why it's failing for cities in Iran [1]? Missing country polygon? Claudius [1] http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=36.303lon=59.606 This excellent tool seems to use the admin-boundary relations. The output for my example (

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:24 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there really such an overwhelming need to mark the physical difference to the legal difference? Whether there is an overwhelming need is not the question. The question is whether allowing for the annotation of two

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: - residential roads (just in residential areas, no connecting function, you will not take this if you don't live in the area) - unclassified roads (not clear, there are voices that they don't exist in urban areas, I

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:45:50 +1000, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: I agree. So, how about maxheight:physical, maxheight:legal, and leave room for others if there is a demonstrable need in

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: different. This, I would argue, is a reason to allow for the How much does the physical height exceed the legal height in most cases? possibility to differentiate between maxheight:physical and maxheight:legal. If maxheight

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Maritime borders

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
Ok, I am revisiting this. Both me and Gustav F (original writes of the proposal) was not satisfied with the outcome of the last vote (about 50/50), so I have rewritten the proposal based on many of the comments from the rejecting votes. There was mainly two issues of the rejecting votes: 1)

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:04:37 + (GMT), John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: different. This, I would argue, is a reason to allow for the How much does the physical height exceed the legal height in most cases?

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: I put a wrapper around the rather excellent http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script which can tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: I haven't looked at the script but it doesn't cope well with

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:04 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: How much does the physical height exceed the legal height in most cases? This is difficult to answer. For a way passing under a bridge, I would argue the limitation is (semantically) a physical one and not a legal one.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: This is difficult to answer. For a way passing under a bridge, I would argue the limitation is (semantically) a physical one and not a legal one. I assume it would be legal in many countries and would use it as such to

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: insurance companie how to deal with it. They both should give the same advise to the driver (find a different road if you are too tall). Exactly, so you only need to place the lower value to discourage

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: - residential roads (just in residential areas, no connecting function, you will not take this if you don't live in the area) - unclassified roads (not clear, there are

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: it's a different meaning in urban areas as in rural areas. Many of what you tag as primary and secondary in rural areas (especially low density ones) has  2 (1+1)  lanes, while in a metropolitan area will very often

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Cartinus
There are lots of mappers that don't read the wiki pages at all and lots of mappers that only give them a cursory glance. So when introducing new tags it should be important that the tag itself is as descriptive as possible. When comparing the words maxheight and clearance, it isn't obvious at

[OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-30 Thread Andrew Ayre
Take a look at this boundary where a forest and national park meet: http://osm.org/go/TwUljNo-- Notice that the boundaries don't line up. This is because the national park is in slightly the wrong place. The national park is this changeset uploaded yesterday:

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl: When using maxheight / maxheight:physical / maxheight:legal the words themself already tell most of the definition. maxheight - for places where the difference is academic / for people who don't care about the difference +1 maxheight:physical - the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance To: Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Thursday, 30 July, 2009, 10:42 PM

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-30 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote: Take a look at this boundary where a forest and national park meet: http://osm.org/go/TwUljNo-- Notice that the boundaries don't line up. This is because the national park is in slightly the wrong place. The

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