Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:48 PM, John Smith wrote: > > We really don't seem to be on the same wave > length at times. :) Amen to that :P > What we have now is when we tag a stop sign it has the implication of > effecting both lanes and various suggestions put forth so far try to > distingush thi

[OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Roy Wallace : > Ok, I understand. Do you have any antibiotics? If have an answer or not doesn't matter, the OSM community is more than the sum of it's parts and some people may already have experience with other systems that do do this already and may be able to offer insight into how t

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Lester Caine : > This does bring up a few more combinations that are not currently > covered. I've had a couple of runs over to Milton Keynes in the last > couple of days, and GETTING into the correct lane even to go straight on > can be a problem, with the outside lane of a pair forcing

[OSM-talk] dissapearing country border

2009-08-28 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, I'm from Croatia and I have seen something strange when looking at borders. If you look at this map you will clearly see borders: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.2&lon=16.51&zoom=7&layers=B000FTF But if you zoom in or out the borders start to dissapear, especially between Slovenia and Cro

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Proposed feature: Directional node

2009-08-28 Thread Tobias Knerr
Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > This is a proposal for a generic way of tagging a node which > represents an object which faces a certain way - e.g. a traffic sign > such as a stop sign. It lacks an example where this complex modelling would even be necessary. In all examples mentioned so far, a node mo

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Roy Wallace : > I actually think it leaves things in slightly better shape - like me > tagging a post box outside, or tagging my addr:housenumber. Sure, it's I'm not talking about post boxes or house addressing schemes, I'm talking about being able to tag lanes on a way differently when

[OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
More diary spam: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mariann/diary/7691 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread Peter Childs
Sorry for thinking out loud but here we go. A Way can have many lanes, Infact the default is lanes=2 (or is it?) oneway=yes infers lanes=1 lanes can be used for many purposes including turning, parking, walking cycling. Lanes need names I guess partially if we all going to use them to describe

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:21 PM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/8/28 Roy Wallace : > >> Ok, I understand. Do you have any antibiotics? > > If have an answer or not doesn't matter, the OSM community is more > than the sum of it's parts and some people may already have experience > with other systems that

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Peter Childs : > A Way can have many lanes, Infact the default is lanes=2 (or is it?) > > oneway=yes infers lanes=1 Seems like a sane assumption. > A Lane may need to be in a relation etc. The way would be the relation, and the properties of the way should cascade to the lane, and then

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-28 Thread James Livingston
On 27/08/2009, at 9:09 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I'd say the only thing you know for sure is that the source is unknown > unless it is explicitly tagged. I wouldn't assume anything besides > that. There are people who don't upload their traces (i personally > always do) and who have all righ

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread Tobias Knerr
John Smith wrote: > Actually no, you can still tag stop signs on a way like people always > have, then when lanes get sorted out they can be dealt with properly. I believe that stop signs have usually nothing to do with lanes (though there probably are exceptions). They apply to everyone travellin

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Tobias Knerr : > I believe that stop signs have usually nothing to do with lanes (though > there probably are exceptions). They apply to everyone travelling into a > certain direction, no matter on what lane. This becomes apparent in > streets where there are no distinct lanes for the two

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 James Livingston : > If someone doesn't upload their trace _and_ doesn't add a source tag, > then I'll assume that my GPS trace is more accurate than whatever they > used. I think that's fair, because all someone has to do if they have > an accurate way is let other mappers know that by

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009-08-28 Thread Thomas Wood
Accounts spamming are banned. They're usually caught in good time by our master admin. 2009/8/28 John Smith : > More diary spam: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mariann/diary/7691 > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Thomas Wood : > Accounts spamming are banned. > They're usually caught in good time by our master admin. Why not make use of crowd sourcing? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009-08-28 Thread Tom Hughes
On 28/08/09 09:24, John Smith wrote: > 2009/8/28 Thomas Wood: >> Accounts spamming are banned. >> They're usually caught in good time by our master admin. > > Why not make use of crowd sourcing? What do you mean exactly? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ __

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Tom Hughes : > What do you mean exactly? Well if enough people can tag a post as spam it would effectively disappear from the site to be reviewed and/or deleted, maybe you could have a more extensive rating system, don't know, but this would allow native speakers of various languages to

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread Gervase Markham
On 27/08/09 12:13, Jack Stringer wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dlock_gate > Shows to tag both ends of the lock. If there is a name just to use name. This was the original tag. However, it has various problems - for example, it makes it hard to render a lock as a single

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009-08-28 Thread Tom Hughes
On 28/08/09 09:39, John Smith wrote: > 2009/8/28 Tom Hughes: >> What do you mean exactly? > > Well if enough people can tag a post as spam it would effectively > disappear from the site to be reviewed and/or deleted, maybe you could > have a more extensive rating system, don't know, but this would

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread Gervase Markham
On 27/08/09 14:27, Mike Harris wrote: > On a related canal issue, I have a problem with deciding how to tag a canal > bridge as a segment of a way. The way will often already have name= and ref= > tags as a highway; but I want to add a name= and ref= tag for the canal > bridge. Not keen on name_1 o

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-28 Thread Gervase Markham
On 26/08/09 21:42, Mikel Maron wrote: > IMO, the wiki should reflect the current collective thinking. If the > collective thinking is in disagreement, > then the wiki should show both sides, equally, with _respectful_ > disagreement. If, however many years after starting the project, we are in res

[OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? I see nothing happening at proposed features page for this feature: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/volleyball Cheers, Valent. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic : > Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? People have been using natural=sand to tag golf bunkers. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] dissapearing country border

2009-08-28 Thread Matthias Versen
Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, I'm from Croatia and I have seen something strange when looking at > borders. If you look at this map you will clearly see borders: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.2&lon=16.51&zoom=7&layers=B000FTF > > But if you zoom in or out the borders start to dissapear, esp

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Craig Wallace
On 28/08/2009 10:12, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? > > I see nothing happening at proposed features page for this feature: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/volleyball > > Cheers, > Valent. I'd tag it something

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-28 Thread Alex Mauer
On 08/28/2009 03:46 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > If dieterdriest has found a number of people who've been ignoring the > definition, Nobody (that I know of) has been ignoring the definition. It's just that the definitions didn't match the top-leveldescription. *None* of the definitions of the

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-28 Thread James Livingston
On 28/08/2009, at 9:23 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 08/28/2009 03:46 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: >> If dieterdriest has found a number of people who've been ignoring the >> definition, > > Nobody (that I know of) has been ignoring the definition. It's just > that the definitions didn't match the top-

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-28 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
I second option that highway tag isn't used for physical purposes. Physical status of road *can* define it's importance (legal or subjective), and I think there is where disagreement is. More or less comon practice is to follow some kind of rules/laws when tagging roads. But it is also clear that

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/28 Micha Ruh : > All, > > please note that 'Dieterdreist' (german) translates to 'brazen Dieter' / > 'uppity Dieter'. > > My vote got deleted by him _without any notice_. > > *** ** ** ***! > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Highway_key_voting_

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread wynndale
> On 27/08/09 12:13, Jack Stringer wrote: > >> lock=yes >> lock_name=Withrington Bottom Lock > > When you are tagging a way, you can't use name= because that will > already contain the name of the canal. Hence lock_name=. > Why would you want to repeat the name of a canal on its individual nodes? I

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic : >> Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? > > People have been using natural=sand to tag golf bunkers. But that is tagging for the renderer and hopefully people will change over to the pro

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/28 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2009/8/28 Richard Weait : >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John Smith wrote: >>> 2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic : Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? >>> >>> People have been using natural=sand to tag golf bunkers. >> >> But that

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/28 Richard Weait : > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:16 AM, John Smith wrote: >> 2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic : >>> Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? >> >> People have been using natural=sand to tag golf bunkers. > > But that is tagging for the renderer and hopefully

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: > On 28/08/2009 10:12, Valent Turkovic wrote: >> Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? >> >> I see nothing happening at proposed features page for this feature: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_f

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread Peter Childs
2009/8/28 : >> On 27/08/09 12:13, Jack Stringer wrote: >> >>> lock=yes >>> lock_name=Withrington Bottom Lock >> >> When you are tagging a way, you can't use name= because that will >> already contain the name of the canal. Hence lock_name=. >> > Why would you want to repeat the name of a canal on

[OSM-talk] Update on using Translatewiki for translations

2009-08-28 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I'm splitting this from the previous thread. > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Richard Fairhurst > wrote: >> Potlatch uses the OSM wiki for localisation. I have no plans to change this >> in favour of a third-party solution. > > Pe

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Childs wrote: > The Canal way will need to be split at the lock gates, (or in > some cases where a diversion starts (due to some rivers > going over weirs) while there is a lock for boats. (UK-specific tagging stuff follows) Ideally I'd like to discourage people from using a (non-closed

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
>> I'd tag it something like this: >> >> leisure=pitch >> sport=beach_volleyball >> surface=sand > > I surveyed one last year > (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/25866824) and tagged it as: > > leisure = pitch > sport = volleyball > surface = sand > > Perhaps that's a mistagging. I like your

[OSM-talk] unsubscribe

2009-08-28 Thread Vermoesen Koen
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[OSM-talk] Local Chapters Working Group Update

2009-08-28 Thread Nick Black
Hello, Here's an update on the current state of the local chapters working group: *Local Chapters Agreement* The debate around the details of setting up local chapters is happening on the local chapters wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters and its discussion pa

[OSM-talk] Local Chapters Working Group Update

2009-08-28 Thread Peter Miller
On 28 Aug 2009, at 16:49, Nick Black wrote: Hello, *Next Meeting of the Local Chapters Group* The local chapters working group will meet at 6pm BST on Weds 30th September to discuss these issues and others. The agenda of the meeting is: * What is the process for creating draft agr

Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Working Group Update

2009-08-28 Thread John Smith
2009/8/29 Peter Miller : > As agreed in an earlier thread on talk [1] can we have an email list for > this subject. How about talk-local? Can we have it now! +100 Why are people being excluded from these decisions when I've repeatedly told/emailed you that 6pm BST is unsuitable for a number of in

[OSM-talk] Canada Chapter

2009-08-28 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi, On the talk-ca list it's still in the works (i put forward the idea, but no responses yet). Once the Canada Import is done... that'll be a BIG difference in Map quality. :-) But anyway, being a local foundation might let us work closer with Natural Resource Canada, and with Non-profits and he

Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Working Group Update

2009-08-28 Thread Nick Black
Peter, John + list, Not sure where the details of payment have gone - I'll try to take a look at the history over the weekend, but I might not get the chance. The info is definitely on the wiki discussion page, which seemed a good place to hold the contentious issues. Totally agree regarding a ma

[OSM-talk] OSM in Wired

2009-08-28 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
OSM is featured in Wired Magazine today: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/gps-hackers/ Cheers, Morten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread Peter Childs
2009/8/28 Richard Fairhurst : > > Peter Childs wrote: >> The Canal way will need to be split at the lock gates, (or in >> some cases where a diversion starts (due to some rivers >> going over weirs) while there is a lock for boats. > > (UK-specific tagging stuff follows) > > Ideally I'd like to dis

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in Wired

2009-08-28 Thread Matt Williams
2009/8/28 Morten Kjeldgaard : > OSM is featured in Wired Magazine today: > > http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/gps-hackers/ And now mirrored in CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/08/27/gps.digital.maps/ -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Or not even limited to volleyball at all. Here in Rio de Janeiro it is very common to play futevôlei ("footvolley", volley played with the foot, not with the hand) in the volleyball pitches. :) Cheers, 2009/8/28 Peteris Krisjanis > >> I'd tag it something like this: > >> > >> leisure=pitch > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009-08-28 Thread Matt Williams
2009/8/28 Arlindo Pereira : > Or not even limited to volleyball at all. Here in Rio de Janeiro it is very > common to play futevôlei ("footvolley", volley played with the foot, not > with the hand) in the volleyball pitches. Indeed. However, in most cases they *are* (beach) volleyball courts. That

[OSM-talk] Trace type

2009-08-28 Thread Tomas Straupis
Hello During a meeting of Lithuanian mappers we raised an idea, that it would be useful to have type of track recorded along access/security details. That is currently you only specify how your traces can be accessed (public, private, intermediary). It would be nice to be able specify how were t

Re: [OSM-talk] Trace type

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/28 Tomas Straupis : >  This could later be used in editors to use different colours for > different types of traces. This way we would rather approximate street > track along motorcar traces (if available) rather than "foot-traces" > done walking alongside the street. in JOSM there is a plu

[OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated

2009-08-28 Thread Pieren
Hi, I would really appreciate if the JOSM presets dictators could remove the option about motorcar in the JOSM presets dialog. We get on the french ML more and more complains about the confusion between unclassified, tracks, footway, path, etc. If in addition, the JOSM presets about highway=path s

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Childs wrote: > I have no knowledge of Canals and shipping, so maybe we need an > expert on how to map waterways properly. Yeah, maybe we could ask the editor of the biggest-selling waterway magazine, established since 1972 and which publishes a series of detailed pull-out waterway maps ev