Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-07 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Dan Karran d...@karran.net wrote: What would happen if the beerintheOSM site encouraged their users to add new pubs to their site, would that data - the equivalent of what would have come from OSM, had they come from there - need to be released as well, or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] reciprocal data agreements

2009-10-07 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Richard, Richard Weait wrote: Imagine a data provider using perhaps cc-by, or a BSD style permissive license contributes their data to OSM. Imagine then that they would like to monitor changes in OSM to data that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matt Amos wrote: this is the crux of the question. the ODbL makes no distinction between lat/lon data, ID data, or any other sort of data. so the question then becomes; if i'm using some data from an ODbL database and incorporating that into my database, do i have to release all of my

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-07 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Matt Amos wrote: this is the crux of the question. the ODbL makes no distinction between lat/lon data, ID data, or any other sort of data. so the question then becomes; if i'm using some data from an ODbL database

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matt Amos wrote: can the SA requirement be satisfied by saying that we consider the extracted IDs to be an ODbL part of a collective database, where the proprietary data is the other part? it would require the ODbL part (i.e: the list of IDs) to be made available, but nothing else. It

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-07 Thread Lester Caine
Mike Harris wrote: Chris Despite the well-argued views of a minority, I am persuaded by the equally well-argued views of the (considerable) majority who favour option (b). That is not to say that there isn't room for using a bit of common sense! I wouldn't divide up Delamere Forest into

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-07 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: Mike Harris wrote: Chris Despite the well-argued views of a minority, I am persuaded by the equally well-argued views of the (considerable) majority who favour option (b). That is not to say that there isn't room for using a bit of common sense! I

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-07 Thread Lester Caine
John Smith wrote: 2009/10/7 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: Mike Harris wrote: Chris Despite the well-argued views of a minority, I am persuaded by the equally well-argued views of the (considerable) majority who favour option (b). That is not to say that there isn't room for using a bit

[OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-07 Thread John Smith
Maybe google is feeling a little intimidated by all the announcements of new roads turning up on OSM as soon as construction finishes! In this case they've jumped the gun and show dual carriage way where it's still under construction: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?ll=-26.186039,152.654761z=18

Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-07 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 2:12:19 pm John Smith wrote: Maybe google is feeling a little intimidated by all the announcements of new roads turning up on OSM as soon as construction finishes! In this case they've jumped the gun and show dual carriage way where it's still under construction:

Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-07 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org: they still cannot compete - we had katipara junction clover leaf flyover on our map at least six months before it was completed ;-) I just find it funny that they've upgraded their data well before it's completed :)

[OSM-talk] view blocks received?

2009-10-07 Thread maning sambale
What does it mean by blocks found in the user page in OSm mainsite? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/

Re: [OSM-talk] view blocks received?

2009-10-07 Thread Liz
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, maning sambale wrote: What does it mean by blocks found in the user page in OSm mainsite? I just saw that so far I have none Is this where FakeLiam123 will be prevented from editing? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] view blocks received?

2009-10-07 Thread Lars Francke
I'm sure someone else will be able to better answer this question but it seems as if moderators and administrators are able to block certain users from using the API. Additionaly it seems as if there are now different roles for users: administrators and moderators. I would have thought that only

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-07 Thread Dave F.
John Smith wrote: 2009/10/7 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: The more uploaded GPX traces/checks of a route the better. Surely? It would be more useful to know what created the traces also, some units are bound to be better than others and knowing this you would be able to weight

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-07 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Not necessarily more useful, but give a general idea of how the data was collected, yes. Unfortunately there's more to the accuracy of a GPX recording than the accuracy of the chip. Such as number of lock on satellites, weather, geography The number

Re: [OSM-talk] England, Wales, Scotland borders

2009-10-07 Thread Ed Avis
Peter Childs pchilds at bcs.org writes: The regional development agencies have quite big budgets, actually. But I'd agree that England needs to have it's own level. I think admin_level=5 and an update to the wiki might be the best move. I might have confused 'regions' with 'regional

Re: [OSM-talk] England, Wales, Scotland borders

2009-10-07 Thread Peter Childs
2009/10/7 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com: Peter Childs pchilds at bcs.org writes: The regional development agencies have quite big budgets, actually. But I'd agree that England needs to have it's own level. I think admin_level=5 and an update to the wiki might be the best move. I might have

[OSM-talk] fine line style for osmarender

2009-10-07 Thread ouɐɯnH
hello I need any style file for osmarender (osmarender.xsl) by walkin-papers.org print style or fine-line style from cloudmade. Can i download it? tnks humano -- http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud

[OSM-talk] Residential road on a hill

2009-10-07 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Hi there, there's a residential road on a hill near my house (this one: http://osm.org/go/OVc0itC2c- ) that doesn't go from bottom to the top of it, but runs in a longitudinal way. The thing it that it's sidewalks are not in the same level. It's more or less like this: ___ |___

Re: [OSM-talk] England, Wales, Scotland borders

2009-10-07 Thread Ed Avis
Peter Childs pchilds at bcs.org writes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_England So, although for most government purposes there is no layer in between English counties (outside London) and Westminster, the regions do just about exist for various obscure purposes, so I'd grudgingly accept

Re: [OSM-talk] fine line style for osmarender

2009-10-07 Thread Patrick Kilian
Hi, I need any style file for osmarender (osmarender.xsl) by walkin-papers.org print style or fine-line style from cloudmade. I suspect that both use mapnik and not osmarender for rendering the map. The stylefiles are not compatible between the two renderers. Therefore I fear you have to either

[OSM-talk] Google Updates its Data

2009-10-07 Thread Ian Dees
http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/10/your-world-your-map.html Looks like they've imported the NHD and USGS data sets (I thought they already had), making their tiles look a lot fuller. Interesting! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Updates its Data

2009-10-07 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/10/your-world-your-map.html Looks like they've imported the NHD and USGS data sets (I thought they already had), making their tiles look a lot fuller. Interesting! Yipes, sent too

Re: [OSM-talk] Residential road on a hill

2009-10-07 Thread Richard Mann
Three ways, middle one is highway=residential+footway=no, explicit links between the ways where there is a connection (highway=steps). I don't think footway=yes|no is properly documented, but it is referred to in a few places, and I haven't come across an alternative tagging for it. Richard On

Re: [OSM-talk] Residential road on a hill

2009-10-07 Thread SLXViper
Arlindo Pereira wrote: Hi there, there's a residential road on a hill near my house (this one: http://osm.org/go/OVc0itC2c- ) that doesn't go from bottom to the top of it, but runs in a longitudinal way. The thing it that it's sidewalks are not in the same level. It's more or less like this:

Re: [OSM-talk] Residential road on a hill

2009-10-07 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
I don't think footway=yes|no is properly documented, but it is referred to in a few places, and I haven't come across an alternative tagging for it. Richard I just draw footway separately, simply because they are off the road several meters and sometimes goes in opposite directions. Cheers,

Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-07 Thread Polderrunner
We certainly can't beat Google here! http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=15lat=52.00686lon=4.32042layers=B0TF (use the slider to blend the osm map in and out) Google Maps are years ahead of reality in this new construction area. All the streets 'missing' from OSM are also non-existent in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/5 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Mike N. wrote:   I recently set out to do an all-inclusive map of a section of town. Perhaps I'm unfortunate enough to live in a city of lawyers, but it seems that a large entire section of town consists of law offices.    I can't believe

Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-07 Thread OJ W
seems G don't have the tag for under construction then? In Bedford they've left the map as it was before development was started: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=15lat=52.11093lon=-0.51451layers=B0TF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Updates its Data

2009-10-07 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Marcus Wolschon mar...@wolschon.biz wrote: On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: If I could figure out a way to report it, I would tell them that there might not be a state park running through the middle of Minneapolis:

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-07 Thread Mike N.
I used shop=solicitor because I had heaps of stuff to put on the map and no time to do any exhaustive search. Any tag I found on the wiki later I adjusted to a generally used one. I'm quite happy to change my tag to shop=lawyer. I'm not an English native speaker, maybe that's why

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Updates its Data

2009-10-07 Thread Marcus Wolschon
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: If I could figure out a way to report it, I would tell them that there might not be a state park running through the middle of Minneapolis:

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Updates its Data

2009-10-07 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Marcus Wolschon mar...@wolschon.bizwrote: On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: If I could figure out a way to report it, I would tell them that there might not

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'm not an English native speaker, maybe that's why shop=lawyer sounds strange to me. All lawyers that I know of I'd actually consider offices, not shops. I am not discussing the actual tag. I'm discussing the complete ease with which something

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging schema

2009-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/7 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'm not an English native speaker, maybe that's why shop=lawyer sounds strange to me. All lawyers that I know of I'd actually consider offices, not shops. I am not discussing the actual tag. I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-07 Thread Gervase Markham
On 06/10/09 18:19, John Smith wrote: I have no idea about Europe/England to be honest, never been in any European countries. Oops, sorry for the assumption there. Most roads in Australia tend to be named, even some basic concrete slab colvets that aren't even real bridges get named. OK. The

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-07 Thread Gervase Markham
On 06/10/09 19:15, DavidD wrote: If you have 10 people in the same area chasing an unnamed road then a noname tag isn't going to solve the actual problem. A road in OSM that has been surveyed by a single person is tagged identically to a road that has a dozen gps tracks and has been checked by

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-07 Thread John F. Eldredge
The general pattern in the USA is that roads on public land tend to be named; roads on private land may or may not be named, according to the wishes of the land-owner. Short service roads, such as to connect a public road to a parking lot, or roads within a farm, are particularly unlikely to

Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-07 Thread Dave F.
Polderrunner wrote: We certainly can't beat Google here! http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=15lat=52.00686lon=4.32042layers=B0TF (use the slider to blend the osm map in and out) Google Maps are years ahead of reality in this new construction area. All the streets 'missing' from OSM are

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/6 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net: The swimming pool point is a slippery slope argument, but in fact the slope isn't at all slippery. Names are different to swimming pools. AFAIK, no-one has genuinely suggested swimming_pool=no, or in fact any other =no type thing apart from names.

[OSM-talk-nl] Trunk

2009-10-07 Thread Roeland Douma
Howdy, Het leek mij weer eens tijd de oude trunk discussie in de groep te gooien. Dit vooral omdat ik van het weekend de S116 (Nieuwe Leeuwarderweg) in Amsterdam Noord heb omgezet naar trunk[1]. Hier ben ik op aangesproken door een mede OSMer en ben toen even de wiki pagina gaan aflezen[2] en

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Trunk

2009-10-07 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
ik dacht/doe: autosnelweg: highway=motorway snelweg: highway=trunk overig: ten hoogste highway=primary maar dit is uit het hoofd en het is natuurlijk waar dat een engelse trunk road iets heel anders is dan onze 'snelweg'... groet, floris Roeland Douma wrote: Howdy, Het leek mij weer eens

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandelnetwerk twente

2009-10-07 Thread Henk Hoff
Op 7 oktober 2009 00:49 heeft Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org het volgende geschreven: Ach, wat weet ik nou van licenties af. Mocht ik ooit tegen een interessante bron aanlopen, dan ga ik zelf wel contact opnemen, en niet de gehanteerde licentie naar eigen goeddunken interpreteren. Wel zo

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Trunk

2009-10-07 Thread Geert Schuring
Je bedoelt: Autosnelweg: motorway Autoweg: trunk N-weg: primary Geert. -- From: Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:11 PM To: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list talk-nl@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl]

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Trunk

2009-10-07 Thread Paul Smits
Volgens mij waren we hier al uit: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:The_Netherlands_roads_tagging Op 7 oktober 2009 13:15 schreef Geert Schuring ge...@schuring.eu het volgende: Je bedoelt: Autosnelweg: motorway Autoweg: trunk N-weg: primary Geert.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Trunk

2009-10-07 Thread Roeland Douma
Niet binnen de bebouwde kom. On Wednesday 07 October 2009 13:17:12 Paul Smits wrote: Volgens mij waren we hier al uit: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:The_Netherlands_roads_tagging Op 7 oktober 2009 13:15 schreef Geert Schuring ge...@schuring.eu het volgende: Je bedoelt:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Trunk

2009-10-07 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
inderdaad :) Geert Schuring wrote: Je bedoelt: Autosnelweg: motorway Autoweg: trunk N-weg: primary Geert. -- From: Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:11 PM To: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Trunk

2009-10-07 Thread Philip Homburg
Niet binnen de bebouwde kom. Ik denk dat iemand die gewoon vergeten is. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wandelnetwerk twente

2009-10-07 Thread Rik de Landloper
Hallo Henk, Trouwens, wanneer er onduidelijkheiden over compatibiliteit zijn over licenties van specifieke databronnen, kun je die eventueel ook stellen aan de Licentie werkgroep (le...@osmfoundation.org). Toevallig zit ik daar ook in ... Wanneer niemand nog contact met RouteYou heeft

[OSM-talk-nl] Fietspaden

2009-10-07 Thread altijd verdwaald
Ik zie dat al op veel plaatsen 'los liggende' fietspaden die grote wegen volgen ook ingetekend worden. Ook ik maak me hier wel eens schuldig aan. Echter het resultaat op de standaard slippy map is lang niet altijd even fraai. Vb. Een secondary road met aan beide kanten een 1 richting fietspad

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fietspaden

2009-10-07 Thread Geert Schuring
Wat mij betreft is dit een simpel verhaal. Een weg met daarnaast een los liggen fietspad zijn 2 afzonderlijke ways. Er gelden compleet verschillende eigenschappen, en dingen als eenrichtingsverkeer, wegdek kwaliteit, fietspad naam, enzovoort zijn niet te taggen wanneer de autoweg en het

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fietspaden

2009-10-07 Thread Andre Engels
2009/10/7 altijd verdwaald altijd.verdwa...@yahoo.com Wat is het standpunt over dit soort fietspaden. Intekenen als 3 wegen of als 1 weg met toevoeging van een cycleway=track tag? Bij het laatste is er wel een probleem om aan te geven welke kant (evt beide kanten) een track ligt. Ik denk

[OSM-talk-nl] wandelroutes, georganiseerd of chaotisch

2009-10-07 Thread Rik de Landloper
Hallo, Ik ben eens even wat verder wezen kijken en ik kom ondertussen een hele rits websites tegen waar mensen wandelroutes verzamelen en aanbieden: http://www.routeyou.com http://www.gpsies.com http://gpstracks.nl http://www.everytrail.com http://nl.wikiloc.com Zover ik erin gegrut heb, betreft

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fietspaden

2009-10-07 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, altijd verdwaald wrote: Ik zie dat al op veel plaatsen 'los liggende' fietspaden die grote wegen volgen ook ingetekend worden. Ook ik maak me hier wel eens schuldig aan. Wat is het standpunt over dit soort fietspaden. Intekenen als 3 wegen of als 1 weg met toevoeging

[talk-au] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-07 Thread John Smith
Maybe google is feeling a little intimidated by all the announcements of new roads turning up on OSM as soon as construction finishes! In this case they've jumped the gun and show dual carriage way where it's still under construction: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?ll=-26.186039,152.654761z=18

Re: [talk-au] Mapping railway lines

2009-10-07 Thread John Henderson
Liz wrote: I drew in railway line from landsat (hopefully that was marked as source) and lined it up with crossings and bridges. If you have better data, please move the railway. I haven't managed to get a trace on any railway because I seem to be limited to walk, bike, car, plane. If

Re: [talk-au] Mapping railway lines

2009-10-07 Thread John Henderson
John Smith wrote: On one of the wiki pages it talks about something like this with European trains, and unless you get a GPS lock before boarding the train you most likely won't get one at all, however once you have a lock it's easier to keep it. I've started using a amplified external

[talk-au] bike_training_track

2009-10-07 Thread Liz
got any ideas on tagging these? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] bike_training_track

2009-10-07 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Liz ed...@billiau.net: got any ideas on tagging these? leisure=track sport=cycling ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] bike_training_track

2009-10-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/10/7 Liz ed...@billiau.net: got any ideas on tagging these? leisure=track sport=cycling that suggests a velodrome to me or at least a racing track -- Your boss climbed the corporate ladder, wrong by wrong.

Re: [talk-au] bike_training_track

2009-10-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/10/7 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/10/7 Liz ed...@billiau.net: got any ideas on tagging these? leisure=track sport=cycling that suggests a velodrome to me or at least a racing track

Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails

2009-10-07 Thread Hugh Barnes
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:24:26 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Jeff Price wrote: G'day all, Any chance folks could take some conversations offline, or batch up their 15 emails into a single email?  I presume I'm not

[talk-au] Mapping railway lines.

2009-10-07 Thread Nick Hocking
If you get on a heritage train then these have windows that can be opened and a gps trace is no problem. Last weekend I surveyed the track from Wollongong through to Moss Vale. (riding behind the relaunched steam locomotive - 3265) In sydney you can get a signal on the Tangara trains but I

Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails

2009-10-07 Thread Jim Croft
gmail threads messages by topic by default which reduces clutter and takes a lot of the pain out of cleanup :) jim On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:24:26 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Liz

Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails

2009-10-07 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:24:26 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Jeff Price wrote: G'day all, Any chance folks could take some conversations offline, or batch up their 15

Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails

2009-10-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Hugh Barnes wrote: I'm sorry, you've got the onus for change on completely the wrong side. The tweeters are the offending parties in this case, and also in the minority. They should adapt their behaviour to those of us who follow standard behavioural norms and who consider

Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails

2009-10-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:02 AM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Suitable channels? suitable for what? I think those complaining about list activity need to be more specific about what is and what isn't acceptable. You can't just ask people to stop being twitter-like. Personally, I

[OSM-talk-ie] Importing CVS

2009-10-07 Thread Karl Grant
Hi all, I've managed to get my hands on a list of all the local roads in longford; basically it's the location of the road label (Northing, Eastings) taken from their GIS system. I have converted this to Lat / Long using a MapQuest program. Is there any way that I can import this CSV list into

Re: [Talk-de] TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe

2009-10-07 Thread marcus.wolschon
Auf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TMC/TMC_Import_Germany/Areas/3600_to_3700 hab ich jetzt zum Testen eine der neu generierten Wiki-Tabellen. * kein Link auf JOSM mehr * Link zum RemoteControl-Plugin oben * neu: Bounding-Box downloads Was noch kommt: * Bounding-Box in .osm -Dateien *

[Talk-de] TMC Supportanfrage (Re: TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe)

2009-10-07 Thread Sven Anders
Hallo, ich würde gerne mithelfen. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:TMC/TMC_Import_Germany/Areas durchgelesen. Würde jetzt den Landkreis Harburg (LocationCode 453) vornehmen. Auf der Wiki Seite steht als Symbol ich solle TMC:cid_58:tabcd_1:LocationCode=453 an einen Weg einfügen (icon in

Re: [Talk-de] TMC Supportanfrage (Re: TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe)

2009-10-07 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:51:46 +0200, Sven Anders s...@anders-hamburg.de wrote: Hallo, ich würde gerne mithelfen. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:TMC/TMC_Import_Germany/Areas durchgelesen. Würde jetzt den Landkreis Harburg (LocationCode 453) vornehmen. Auf der Wiki Seite steht als

Re: [Talk-de] TMC Supportanfrage (Re: TMC-Import startet und brauchteure Hilfe)

2009-10-07 Thread Mirko Küster
Auch die Gemeinde Wischafen wird erwähnt, für die Samtgemeinde Oldendorf gibt es allerdings kein TMC Code. Naja vielleicht brauchen wir mal eine Wiki Seite um solche Dinge zu Sammeln und an die Verwaltung zurück zu melden. Kommt noch besser. Im Kyffhäuserkreis wird ein Ort Schönwerder

Re: [Talk-de] OpenStreetbugs

2009-10-07 Thread Mitja Kleider
Hallo Philip, anscheinend hat jemand Openstreetbugs irgendwie zur Beschreibung einer Route benutzt, jedenfalls kommt es mir so vor. Es gibt eine große Anzahl von angeblichen Bugs von einem gewissen User klaus, die eher Wegbeschreibungen sind (hier rechts abbiegen in die xy-straße usw.).

Re: [Talk-de] TMC Supportanfrage (Re: TMC-Import startet und brauchteure Hilfe)

2009-10-07 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:12:21 +0200, Mirko Küster webmas...@ts-eastrail.de wrote: Auch die Gemeinde Wischafen wird erwähnt, für die Samtgemeinde Oldendorf gibt es allerdings kein TMC Code. Naja vielleicht brauchen wir mal eine Wiki Seite um solche Dinge zu Sammeln und an die Verwaltung zurück

Re: [Talk-de] TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe

2009-10-07 Thread André Riedel
Am 7. Oktober 2009 06:26 schrieb Marcus Wolschon mar...@wolschon.biz: Problem, mache ich öffne URL mit http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/way/23464204 läd josm zwar aber findet den way dann nicht. Der Scheint nicht mehr mit Wegen zu denen er nicht alle nodes hat umgehen zu können. Weil die

Re: [Talk-de] TMC Supportanfrage (Re: TMC-Import startet und brauchteure Hilfe)

2009-10-07 Thread Mirko Küster
Ich schau gerade noch wie ich die TMC-Areas mit Bounding-Boxen hochladen kann. Dann sollte sowas eindeutiger zu sehen sein. Kann gut sein, dass da mit Gemeindereformen was auseinandergelaufen ist. Ich hoffe mal die haben die Gebietsreformen nicht komplett ignoriert. Ansonsten kann das ohne

Re: [Talk-de] TMC Supportanfrage (Re: TMC-Import startet und brauchteure Hilfe)

2009-10-07 Thread Marcus Wolschon
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:42:13 +0200, Mirko Küster webmas...@ts-eastrail.de wrote: Ich schau gerade noch wie ich die TMC-Areas mit Bounding-Boxen hochladen kann. Dann sollte sowas eindeutiger zu sehen sein. Kann gut sein, dass da mit Gemeindereformen was auseinandergelaufen ist. Ich hoffe

Re: [Talk-de] Fundsache: Butzbachs Straßen werden umbenannt

2009-10-07 Thread Paul Baumbach
Und dann? Mir fallen noch 1500 weitere solche Straßenprobleme allein in Hessen ein, bundesweit eher 25 000, davon 1600 alleine in Berlin (Ackerstr. bis Zossener Str, z.B. die elf Waldstraßen). Schönen Gruß Martin Und nun? Sei doch froh, dass es Leute gibt, die solche Infos weiterleiten.

Re: [Talk-de] TMC Supportanfrage (Re: TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe)

2009-10-07 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:51:46 +0200, Sven Anders s...@anders-hamburg.de wrote: Hallo, ich würde gerne mithelfen. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:TMC/TMC_Import_Germany/Areas durchgelesen. Würde jetzt den Landkreis Harburg (LocationCode 453) vornehmen. Auf der Wiki Seite steht als Symbol

Re: [Talk-de] TMC Supportanfrage (Re: TMC-Import startet und brauchteure Hilfe)

2009-10-07 Thread Mirko Küster
Zur Not gibts da wo es nicht mehr passt halt grobe Polygon die nur den LocationCode haben. (grob weil die TMC-Daten halt extrem grob sind.) Auf irgendeine sinnvolle und vor allem Dokumentierte Vorhgehensweise müssen wir uns schon einigen. Multipolygone mit Wegen ohne Merkmale sind schonmal

Re: [Talk-de] TMC Supportanfrage (Re: TMC-Import startet und brauchteure Hilfe)

2009-10-07 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:12:06 +0200, Mirko Küster webmas...@ts-eastrail.de wrote: Zur Not gibts da wo es nicht mehr passt halt grobe Polygon die nur den LocationCode haben. (grob weil die TMC-Daten halt extrem grob sind.) Auf irgendeine sinnvolle und vor allem Dokumentierte Vorhgehensweise

Re: [Talk-de] TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe

2009-10-07 Thread André Riedel
Am 6. Oktober 2009 15:06 schrieb marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com: On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:46:46 +0200, Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de wrote: marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com schrieb: Wäre nicht mehr direkt Menschenlesbar. Was für eine Maschine verwendest Du? Die Aussage war

Re: [Talk-de] Fundsache: Butzbachs Straßen werden umbenannt

2009-10-07 Thread Martin Trautmann
- Und nun? Sei doch froh, dass es Leute gibt, die solche Infos weiterleiten. Mein Kommentar war auch absolut nicht als Kritik an der Info gedacht - ganz im Gegenteil, das sind hoechst wertvolle Infos. Selbst wenn es immer noch 25000 bundesweite Probleme gibt, sind es jetzt noch 24999 ;-)

Re: [Talk-de] TMC Supportanfrage (Re: TMC-Import startet und brauchteure Hilfe)

2009-10-07 Thread Mirko Küster
Wo wurden jetzt Multipolygone erwähnt? Kann ich grad nicht finden. Nirgends, nur hast du mit dem groben Polygoon auch nicht beschrieben was du dir vorstellst. Ich ging davon aus Wegsegmente in einer Relation zusammen zu fassen. Type=TMC haben wir nicht, boundary oder place passt nicht und

Re: [Talk-de] TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe

2009-10-07 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:36:39 +0200, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: Naja, geh auf die Straße und frag wer etwas mit cid_ oder tabcd_ anfangen kann. Wenn du es menschenlesbar haben möchtest, müsste man country und table benutzen. Nur dass du unter den Namen country und Table diese

Re: [Talk-de] TMC Supportanfrage (Re: TMC-Import startet und brauchteure Hilfe)

2009-10-07 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:46:42 +0200, Mirko Küster webmas...@ts-eastrail.de wrote: Wo wurden jetzt Multipolygone erwähnt? Kann ich grad nicht finden. Nirgends, nur hast du mit dem groben Polygoon auch nicht beschrieben was du dir vorstellst. Ich ging davon aus Wegsegmente in einer Relation

Re: [Talk-de] Maßstab? // Nachtrag

2009-10-07 Thread Schorschi
zu den politischen Gründen, die gegen das Measurement-Plugin sprechen ... danke für den Link zur Diskussion, die war mir entgangen gelesen - und ich sehe nichts, was gegen die Verbesserung des Plugins spricht, und niemanden, der dagegen spricht oder sprach. Frederik hätte nur gerne

Re: [Talk-de] TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe

2009-10-07 Thread hansdorfff
hallo, Lars Francke schrieb: Ich dachte ich habe es inzwischen halbwegs verstanden und nahm an die aktuelle Version ist 8.0. Scheint aber nicht der Fall zu sein, da Du nur die Table-ID und country-ID zitierst. Ich gebe das jetzt erstmal auf und gucke später nach ob sich was getan hat. ich

Re: [Talk-de] Wege durch Gebäude; Brücke./.T unnel

2009-10-07 Thread Garry
Dimitri Junker schrieb: Der Keyname muß hier allgemein genug sein, damit er z.B. auch für Flüsse, oder Eisenbahnen benutzt werden kann. Falls darüber irgendwann abgestimmt werden sollte würde ich folgende Alternativen vorschlagen 1) tunnel=yes wird auf alle überdachten Wege ausgeweitet 2)

Re: [Talk-de] TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe

2009-10-07 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:04:09 +0200, hansdorfff osmtal...@taponet.de wrote: hallo, Lars Francke schrieb: Ich dachte ich habe es inzwischen halbwegs verstanden und nahm an die aktuelle Version ist 8.0. Scheint aber nicht der Fall zu sein, da Du nur die Table-ID und country-ID zitierst. Ich

Re: [Talk-de] TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe

2009-10-07 Thread Thomas Ineichen
Hallo Marcus, == wie == Die LocationCodeList enthält Areas, Roads, Segments, Nodes und Intersections. Die Areas sind am einfachsten und deshalb fangen wir mit denen an um für die anderen Erfahrungen zu sammeln. Da Areas nicht mit anderen TMC-Elementen verknpft sind wie Roads und

Re: [Talk-de] TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe

2009-10-07 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo Thomas. Ich bin zwar nicht Marcus, aber ich denke diese Frage kann man auch als reiner Mitleser beantworten... Am Mittwoch, 7. Oktober 2009 schrieb Thomas Ineichen: Eine Verständnis-Frage: Gibt es denn OSM-Objekte, welche auf verschiedenen Tabellen oder in erschiedenen Ländern

[Talk-de] OpenStreetMap-Flyer

2009-10-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, nur mal so zur Erinnerung und fuer die, die seit meiner letzten Werbung neu auf die Liste gekommen sind: Wer will, bekommt von mir kostenlos (nahezu) beliebige Mengen des OpenStreetMap-Flyers: http://www.openstreetmap.de/aktionen.html#flyer per Post geschickt. Einfach E-Mail mit

Re: [Talk-de] TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe

2009-10-07 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:16:29 +0200, Thomas Ineichen osm.mailingl...@t-i.ch wrote: Eine Verständnis-Frage: Gibt es denn OSM-Objekte, welche auf verschiedenen Tabellen oder in erschiedenen Ländern _gleichzeitig_ vorkommen? Wenn ja, wieviele ungefähr (prozentual)? Mindestens alle Länder,

Re: [Talk-de] Gebäude über Straße

2009-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 6. Oktober 2009 02:25 schrieb Dimitri Junker o...@dimitri-junker.de: Es gibt genauso die Variante Brücke (die auch richtig ist), Laut Map_Features ist Brücke nur für Wege nicht für areas zugelassen. Demnach wäre es eben nicht richtig einem Gebäude ein bridge=yes zu verpassen. zugelassen?

Re: [Talk-de] Gebäude über Straße

2009-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 6. Oktober 2009 02:15 schrieb Dimitri Junker o...@dimitri-junker.de: Hallo, Und wenn man den beheben würde, anstatt das Tagging danach hinzubiegen, bräuchte man auch nicht länger überlegen Es geht nicht nur ums Rendern. Ein Tunnel hat schließlich auch wichtige Eigenschaften, z.B. wie man

Re: [Talk-de] TMC-Import startet und braucht eure Hilfe

2009-10-07 Thread Marcus Wolschon
2009/10/7 marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com: Auf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TMC/TMC_Import_Germany/Areas/3600_to_3700 hab ich jetzt zum Testen eine der neu generierten Wiki-Tabellen. * kein Link auf JOSM mehr * Link zum RemoteControl-Plugin oben * neu: Bounding-Box downloads Was

Re: [Talk-de] Werkzeuge für die Druckkartenwerk-Erst e llung?

2009-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 6. Oktober 2009 19:52 schrieb Johann H. Addicks addi...@gmx.net: Tobias Wendorff schrieb: wäre es möglich einen Renderer in einer sun Virtualbox zu erzeugen ? Es ist - unter Windows - wirklich *sehr* simpel. Das Problem ist ja nicht Windows oder Linux, sondern die Renderregel, die einen

Re: [Talk-de] Relations-IDs in JOSM

2009-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 6. Oktober 2009 21:04 schrieb Matthias Versen s...@mversen.de: Marcus Wolschon wrote: Zeigt JOSM irgendwo die ID des gerade selektierten Objektes (z.B. einer Relation) an? Ich sehe alle Attrbute aber nirgendwo mehr die ID. STRG+H drücken und aus der URL kopieren :-) Wenn Du im Fenster

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