Re: [talk-ph] Mapping Orani Bataan

2010-01-03 Thread maning sambale
http://www.malfreemaps.com/viewtopic.php?f=28t=1616 Make sure to read every important bit before applying the patch. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Jing Iya jing_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Maning, Make sure you enable 1 second tracking in your nuvi.  This way, you get maximum density of gps

Re: [talk-ph] Mapping Orani Bataan

2010-01-03 Thread Mike Collinson
At 09:28 AM 2/01/2010, Jing Iya wrote: Narcky and I are planning to map the whole of Orani, Bataan. ... Wish me luck guys. Sounds great. More good luck from me! And a Happy New Year to all, Mike ___ talk-ph mailing list

[talk-ph] correct tag for subdivisions

2010-01-03 Thread Jing Iya
Hi Guys, What is the correct tag for a subdivision, is it hamlet or village? Some contributors are using hamlet, while the others are using village. To be searchable in a Garmin map via POI or City, what are the other tags that needs to be added? (e.g. is_in:city etc.) Sorry for the trouble

Re: [talk-ph] correct tag for subdivisions

2010-01-03 Thread ianlopez
If it's large enough, like Corinthian Gardens, place=hamlet. When it's very small to medium-sized, landuse=residential. Tony Montana: Me, I want what's coming to me. Manny Ribera: Oh, well what's coming to you? Tony Montana: The world, chico, and everything in it. -

[talk-ph] Quarterly Mapping Parties (was: Re: Looking forward to OSM-PH in 2010

2010-01-03 Thread maning sambale
Hi, I created a stub page for the mapping party events http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/MappingParty Please add more info. QUARTERLY MICRO MAPPING PARTIES --- We think that more frequent and regular Micro Mapping Parties in vicinity of

Re: [talk-ph] Quarterly Mapping Parties (was: Re: Looking forward to OSM-PH in 2010

2010-01-03 Thread maning sambale
I added 2 proposed mapping area: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/MappingParty#Proposed_area Please add more so we can discuss what would be suitable (a highly subjective criteria, btw) for most people. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM, maning sambale

[talk-ph] Boundaries covered by high-res imagery

2010-01-03 Thread maning sambale
Hi, Do we have complete trace of the bounds of Yahoo! imagery? I saw the partial southern bounds for Metro Manila http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=28738861 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki:

Re: [talk-ph] Quarterly Mapping Parties (was: Re: Looking forward to OSM-PH in 2010

2010-01-03 Thread maning sambale
Woohoo! A mapping buddy! We have lots of things to add. My goal is to make Marikina road complete (it is by my standards, given a few missing names) by this year. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Jing Iya jing_...@yahoo.com wrote: Maning, Since I live within Marikina, I can join this mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/2 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk Provided that this does not result in REMOVING ways that are mapped - or prevent adding the REAL fine detail of ways that do not actually physically form part of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: That would be using a map as an item in a to-do list. It would look ugly to me and I doubt that many people would support that use. Better keep the todo list separate - in another layer if you want it represented

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM rewriting history : France is now part of Germany !

2010-01-03 Thread Tobias Knerr
John Smith wrote: Cartography is an art form, and you will never be able to do this sort of thing perfectly by extrapolation from the boundary. Unless you are working with one specific rendering style on a known zoom level and with fixed font size, you won't be able to perfectly do this by

Re: [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Dair Grant
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: It is our main page and a closed project on the main page of OSM IMHO doesn't suit well. IMHO, a closed project on the main page is a good thing. What is the purpose of the OSM web site? It is partly to provide a

[OSM-talk] openstreetmap left side checkboxes?

2010-01-03 Thread Felipe Carrillo
Hi: Probably a naive question but I am a newbie to this mapping projects. I just need to download some data from openstreetmap but I need to select the features that I need. I have seen checkboxes to the left of the map to be able to select the desired features but for some reason I can't find

Re: [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: So I don't want OSM to get into arguments about opener than thou - Ok, then let's not use open. Let's just say some things (where you can look at how they're done as opposed to not being told) are better than others. Or is there anyone who disagrees - anyone who

Re: [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Tobias Knerr
Dair Grant wrote: showcasing useful and innovative things that have been done with OSM data is more important than trying to split ourselves into open (terms and conditions will apply) and not. If it is there to show what can be done with OSM data, it does a very poor job. The only thing it

Re: [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Frederik Ramm wrote: Ok, then let's not use open. Let's just say some things (where you can look at how they're done as opposed to not being told) are better than others. That was unnecessarily provocative, I admit. I think I will settle for the wording: relevant material available

Re: [OSM-talk] New Year's wish...

2010-01-03 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.dk wrote: I have a small New Year's wish to the developers of the OSM website. When going to the history tab, it would be soo nice if you could optionally remove all entries marked (big) from the listing. snip We could maybe

Re: [OSM-talk] openstreetmap left side checkboxes?

2010-01-03 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2010/1/3 Felipe Carrillo mazatlanmex...@yahoo.com: Probably a naive question but I am a newbie to this mapping projects. I just need to download some data from openstreetmap but I need to select the features that I need. I have seen checkboxes to the left of the map to be able to select the

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-03 Thread Lester Caine
Steve Bennett wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/2 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk Provided that this does not result in REMOVING ways that are mapped

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I think it's high time this was done. IMO, OCM should be removed from the main map options asked persuasively to rename themselves as they're not really open, are they? I'll ask you for one favour - when you are talking

Re: [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: It needs to be one way or the other. Personally I think it _should_ be promoting map renderings, but on it's main map page it should be one that is truly open in the sense of OSM. This sense of OSM seems to have been

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
Regarding adding a source to names of nodes/ways: For example for Klious street: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/36115806 . I use the same source for the nearby street Perseus street: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27405804 . You can see the image hosting site I linked to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: As for the name, it was originally The OpenStreetMap Cycle Map and I pondered long and hard on the use of the word The in the title since that sounded a bit exclusive. Eventually I gave up worrying about it since there

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM rewriting history : France is now part of Germany !

2010-01-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/1/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com If you want such custom rendered maps that's fine, but I don't think it should happen on a tile set intended for general consumption... the question was: do you consider Mapnik-OSM a tile set intended for general consumption? Seems that you do

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM rewriting history : France is now part of Germany !

2010-01-03 Thread John Smith
2010/1/3 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: the question was: do you consider Mapnik-OSM a tile set intended for general consumption? Seems that you do indeed... Considering how many phone apps etc use the tile set, because there is nothing else you can use to do custom mapping apps,

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-03 Thread Claus Hindsgaul
2010/1/3 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk It is however a very good example of where people have taken the trouble to ACTUALLY map reality and their efforts have been destroyed! At the end of the day everything needs to be mapped fully, and there is no case for REMOVING tracks that are

Re: [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Dave F.
Tobias Knerr wrote: In order to truly show what's possible, we would need to completely redesign that front page into a featured products catalogue that could list routing applications, Garmin converters, OSM clocks, renderers, paper maps and so on. This would, of course, include closed

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Right, while I've got the soapbox out, (and while I'm not feeling as ill as I was over the last few days), let me do a bit more explaining about OpenCycleMap and its openness. I make the styles for OpenCycleMap. Just me.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Right, while I've got the soapbox out, (and while I'm not feeling as ill as I was over the last few days), let me do a bit more explaining about

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-03 Thread Lester Caine
Claus Hindsgaul wrote: 2010/1/3 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk It is however a very good example of where people have taken the trouble to ACTUALLY map reality and their efforts have been destroyed! At the end of the day everything needs

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-03 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: It is however a very good example of where people have taken the trouble to ACTUALLY map reality and their efforts have been destroyed! I agree with your point, but that's a bit of hyperbole there. The data is still

Re: [OSM-talk] New Year's wish...

2010-01-03 Thread Dave F.
Niklas Cholmkvist wrote: Dave: Is ITO Mapper or osmmapper free libre software or open source software, just like the software in the history tab is? (ie. can I see/distribute the source code commercially/noncommercially?) Not 100% sure. Do you mean the data or the software that

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Andy Allan wrote: And most of all, I don't want someone to make something that looks just like opencyclemap but with one or two changes and call it their own But isn't that what is bound to happen? (At least if a fraction of the unhappiness about OCM translates in coding traction...)

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: explain what would be the advantages from my side? I think you probably have release more than enough open stuff to know about the motivations of doing so ;-) But I agree that once people start to *demand* you release

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-03 Thread Claus Hindsgaul
2010/1/3 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk In large areas of the world, the macro level of mapping is now 'complete', and people are adding fine detail like 'post boxes', parking bays, drive ways and the like. That is really great, but these large areas still cover a small proportion of

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: I'm even tempted to draw a massive straight line between several towns to indicate roads that I know exist but that I haven't surveyed. Would this offend a lot of people here? That would be using

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: There is no point endangering the genuinely collected data for the sake of some lazy copying. This is not fairly worded. In Australia (and other sparsely populated areas), it is not just for the sake of some lazy

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: There is no point endangering the genuinely collected data for the sake of some lazy copying. This is not fairly worded. In Australia

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: This is not fairly worded. In Australia (and other sparsely populated areas), it is not just for the sake of some lazy copying - this issue is critical to whether there is any hope of eventually getting reasonable coverage of street names throughout

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: long way to take photo of a couple of streets. Physically visiting streets is seriously time consuming. The ratio must be something like 10:1 or worse. And the only option for most of Australia, just be thankful for the hi-res imagery that is

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 03 January 2010 22:20:01 Roy Wallace wrote: This is not fairly worded. In Australia (and other sparsely populated areas), it is not just for the sake of some lazy copying - this issue is critical to whether there is any hope of eventually getting reasonable coverage of street names

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl: The Australian outback is vast, but there is hardly anything mappable by survey out there. When it comes to urban and suburban mapping (where most streetnames and cycleways are), Australia isn't any different from any other developed country. There is

Re: [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Tobias Knerr
Dave F. wrote Tobias Knerr wrote: In order to truly show what's possible, we would need to completely redesign that front page into a featured products catalogue [...] It doesn't have to be completely redesigned, just a link saying: And here's some other great ways in which OSM can be

Re: [OSM-talk] openstreetmap left side checkboxes?

2010-01-03 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Am 03.01.2010 10:16, schrieb Felipe Carrillo: Hi: Probably a naive question but I am a newbie to this mapping projects. I just need to download some data from openstreetmap but I need to select the features that I need. I have seen checkboxes to the left of the map to be able to select the

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/4 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl: The Australian outback is vast, but there is hardly anything mappable by survey out there. When it comes to urban and suburban mapping (where most streetnames and cycleways

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Do they have Internet access there?  If so, then they can map it themselves.  If not, then there's not much point in us mapping it for them anyway. I didn't think we were mapping just for locals, what about tourists? As for internet access, there is 3G

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:38 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/4 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Do they have Internet access there? If so, then they can map it themselves. If not, then there's not much point in us mapping it for them anyway. I didn't think we were mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Does Nearmap own the copyright on the images? Aha, it seems they do. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: ... I get the impression that the group of Australians currently so active on the mailing list isn't lazy but they are certainly impatient. Perhaps :) But my point is, if there may be legal ways to do this more efficiently we

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 04 January 2010 00:02:29 John Smith wrote: 2010/1/4 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl: The Australian outback is vast, but there is hardly anything mappable by survey out there. When it comes to urban and suburban mapping (where most streetnames and cycleways are), Australia isn't any

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/1/3 Claus Hindsgaul claus.hindsg...@gmail.com -- Now back to the thread topic, bicycles :-) -- My conlusion: in the existing OSM environment, metatagging (one way with tags for bicycle tracks, sidewalks etc.) of streets should be preferred for fragmentation into separate micromapped

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: From this and several earlier discussions I get the impression that the group of Australians currently so active on the mailing list isn't lazy but they are certainly impatient. Yes, perhaps :) Probably the big difference

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
I'd like to thank Andy for his very useful input into this discussion. Although I don't think I've posted in this thread, I did have some of the misconceptions he referred to. It would probably be worth documenting some of this stuff - a simple why is it called OpenCycleMap, for instance. And

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-03 Thread Claus Hindsgaul
2010/1/4 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com what does this conclusion imply? Does it mean if you encounter a separately mapped cycleway and there is not (yet?) enough significant different tags for the cycleway and the street nearby (say name, ref, maxspeed, width, surface, lanes are

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: From this and several earlier discussions I get the impression that the group of Australians currently so active on the mailing list isn't lazy but they

[OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - source example and question about who can input what

2010-01-03 Thread dies38061
I not long ago received a photocopy of a hand-drawn map of the roadway network within a company's manufacturing site, complete with street names (no, I'm not a spy :-) - it's all legal and above board). The streets were most all present in the TIGER data import, but lacked names. However, I

[talk-au] Invisible POI's

2010-01-03 Thread Richard Colless
The trip to Timor Caves went well - now have "tourist" POI's for four of the caves, although it's a brave tourist that will use them. Also managed to survey most of the streets of Murrurundi, NSW. During this job, I noticed some interesting POI's. Just North of Murrurundi, there is a speed

Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's

2010-01-03 Thread John Smith
2010/1/3 Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au: During this job, I noticed some interesting POI's. Just North of Murrurundi, there is a speed camera that someone has added. It's visible when in Edit That would be my handy work :) I've marked in quite a few I had co-ords for... mode (Potlatch or

[talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Happy New Year OSMers! Have created a page listing all the Victorian routes (M, A, B C roads) - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria%2C_Australia/Routes. It is a work in progress, however I have gone through a reasonable portion of the rural areas of the state. Hopefully this

Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's

2010-01-03 Thread John Henderson
Richard Colless wrote: The trip to Timor Caves went well - now have tourist POI's for four of the caves, although it's a brave tourist that will use them. Also managed to survey most of the streets of Murrurundi, NSW. During this job, I noticed some interesting POI's. Just North of

Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's

2010-01-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Speed cameras are a bit of a mess tagging wise, some add a node others add a relation, but I don't think any method renders on OSM... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Speed_trap

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Happy New Year OSMers! Have created a page listing all the Victorian routes (M, A, B C roads) - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria%2C_Australia/Routes. Woah this is a great idea. Have you

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Happy New Year OSMers! Have created a page listing all the Victorian routes (M, A, B C roads) -

Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's

2010-01-03 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: For the record, being a bit of a mess tagging wise is not true. This relation (approved) should be used: Approved just means 17 people (out of 25 that voted, out of maybe 100,000 mappers at the time) thought it was an ok way to do things. On the

[talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-03 Thread John Henderson
I'm unclear about some issues concerning copyright. I'd like to put up a couple of scenarios and get opinions. Let's say that many roads in a town are mapped but unnamed in OSM. And street signs are missing. I go to the local tourist information place and start asking for names. They give

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-03 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: I'm unclear about some issues concerning copyright.  I'd like to put up a couple of scenarios and get opinions. Let's say that many roads in a town are mapped but unnamed in OSM.  And street signs are missing. I go to the local tourist information

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Even though the route numbers were sourced from the VicRoads Main Roads, I would argue that it is public knowledge in that it is written on signs all across the state. Just to be sure I have sent an email to the author of the Main Roads web site - surely he would have the same issue if the

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I'm unclear about some issues concerning copyright. I'd like to put up a couple of scenarios and get opinions. Let's say that many roads in a town are mapped but unnamed in OSM. And street signs are missing. I go to

Re: [talk-au] Cul-de-sac

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO they justify an extra way, as there is clearly a physical separation and two separate areas of bitumen. (Go ahead and add a whole extra node + way - HDD storage is cheap! :P) HDD storage is the least of my

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-03 Thread Michael Hampson
While on this topic. Blue Mountains City Council have posted this document. It's not the best but a start, can it be copied as it lacks an copyright information that I can find? Select the first result, couldn't find the direct link.

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Michael Hampson mc.hamp...@gmail.comwrote: While on this topic. Blue Mountains City Council have posted this document. It's not the best but a start, can it be copied as it lacks an copyright information that I can find? Select the first result, couldn't

Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones

2010-01-03 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
The area=yes option also works. People want to know that an AFZ exists. People will see the signs when they get there to determine if they can have alcohol on this side of the road or not. It is a level of accuracy that I am not sure is warranted by the creation of another polygon (which also

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-03 Thread John Henderson
Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com mailto:snow...@gmx.com wrote: I'm unclear about some issues concerning copyright. I'd like to put up a couple of scenarios and get opinions. Let's say that many roads in a town are mapped

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
I took to route numbers from the Mainroads web site have used the VicRoads document for visual comparison against OSM, so the real copyright may be with the Mainroads web site (which I am still awaiting a response from the site author). Agree a GoogleDoc is another alternative if it gets ugly :)

Re: [talk-au] Cul-de-sac

2010-01-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO they justify an extra way, as there is clearly a physical separation and two separate areas of bitumen. (Go ahead and add a whole extra node

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Mark Pulley
Quoting Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: I notice you haven't made any changes to the page yet - what have(n't) you been doing :D I can add some details as I am currently mapping my trip in November (!) to Melbourne and back (down via Mount Beauty, back via Shepparton), adding

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I notice you haven't made any changes to the page yet - what have(n't) you been doing :D I'm at work! In other news, yesterday I injured myself mapping this area: http://osm.org/go/ug...@ou - on Lactic Acid.

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:51 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: One route I'm thinking about is the Bicentennial National Trail. http://www.nationaltrail.com.au/ Many signs have disappeared. But some of is mapped in google (where it's given as the road name):

Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:14 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: and always takes the speed up to the next step for a simulation. So if maxspeed=50 or maxspeed=60, then 70 km/h is simulated. 70 and 80 get simulated as 90, and so on. Bizarre. Any idea why? Steve

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au: Incidentally, I've noticed that the route numbers and route names aren't showing in Mapnik for relations. As an experiment, I added a I'm working on this still, I've been toying with a pre-processor to add custom highway shields to the map, but the

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread John Smith
2010/1/3 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: Happy New Year OSMers! Have created a page listing all the Victorian routes (M, A, B C roads) - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria%2C_Australia/Routes. It is a work in progress, however I have gone through a reasonable

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-03 Thread John Smith
2010/1/4 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: That page has a notice at the bottom: Blue Mountains City Council © 2009. So, no, you can't copy from it. You can use it as a source of information. There's no clear distinction between the two. Even without a copyright notice, unless something is

[Talk-de] Reverse-Geocoding für (MTB-) Trac ks?

2010-01-03 Thread Andreas Kemper
Hallo, ich suche derzeit ein Skript, welches im Kern so funktioniert wie der von Tobias unlängst vorgestellte Reverse-Geocoder, vgl. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2009-September/055513.html Seit einiger Zeit sammle ich mit dem Rad auf Pfaden, Waldwegen und Straßen diverse

[Talk-de] Relationen suchen, finden und in der Karte darstellen / OSM-Portale

2010-01-03 Thread Tirkon
Moin! 1) Wie suche und finde ich die Nummer (ID) einer Relation a) über ihrem Namen b) über ihre Tag Einträge, z.B. bei Buslinien über die Angabe des Verkehrsverbundes und der Liniennummer? (z.B. VRR 737 - VRR bedeutet Verkehrverbund Rhein-Ruhr) 2) Ich möchte im OSM Wiki ein Portal

[Talk-de] Ski-Lift am Bungsberg (SH)

2010-01-03 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! die nicht norddeutschen werden es kaum glauben - wir haben einen Ski-Lift [1] Vielleicht kommt einer dort vorbei - dieser ist noch nicht erfaßt [2]. Gruß Jan .-) [1] http://www.ski-bungsberg.de/ [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.2097lon=10.7193zoom=14layers=B000FTF

[Talk-de] Einrechnen von Zwischenpunkten auf GPX-File

2010-01-03 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! ich hatte schon einmal eine ähnliche Frage gestellt - kann das Ergebnis leider nicht wiederfinden ! Ich habe eine GPX-Datei und möchte im Abstand X darauf Punkte berechnen - am besten mit PERL. Hat einer eine Idee von Euch ??? Gruß Jan :-)

Re: [Talk-de] Relationen suchen, finden und in der Karte darstellen / OSM-Portale

2010-01-03 Thread Gary68
evtl hilft dir das weiter? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation_lists die csv dateien kannst du in excel/calc öffnen und z.b. dort auch sortieren ich könnte so eine liste auch mal nur für ein bumndesland erstellen, wenn du willst... ciao gerhard On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 10:16 +0100,

Re: [Talk-de] Einrechnen von Zwischenpunkten auf GPX-File

2010-01-03 Thread malenki
Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Ich habe eine GPX-Datei und möchte im Abstand X darauf Punkte berechnen - am besten mit PERL. Hat einer eine Idee von Euch ??? gpsbabel ermöglicht das ebenfalls: http://www.gpsbabel.org/htmldoc-1.3.6/filter_interpolate.html Gruß mnalenki

Re: [Talk-de] Einrechnen von Zwischenpunkten auf GPX-File

2010-01-03 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 03.01.2010 12:05, schrieb malenki: Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Ich habe eine GPX-Datei und möchte im Abstand X darauf Punkte berechnen - am besten mit PERL. Hat einer eine Idee von Euch ??? gpsbabel ermöglicht das ebenfalls: http://www.gpsbabel.org/htmldoc-1.3.6/filter_interpolate.html

[Talk-de] Aktion zum Jahresanfang: Bedarfsumleitungen im Norden

2010-01-03 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! bis vor kurzem wußte ich von diesen Relationen noch gar nichts und dann habe ich die Change gehabt eine Vielzahl im Raum HH, SH abzufahren und so kam mir der Gedanke diese über die Wintermonate zu verdichten - Nummern und Fundorte kann man sich auch so merken ohne GPS-Einsatz und trotz

Re: [Talk-de] Happy New Year! - Neujahrsedition des Worldfile vom 31.12.09/1.1.10

2010-01-03 Thread Carsten Schwede
Hallo Liste, Leider ist in dieser Ausgabe wieder die Umlaute und ß kaputt, hat jemand eine Idee, warum der Planetauszug immer mal eine unterschiedliche Codierung benutzt? Vorletzte Woche war das auch defekt und letzte Woche hat es funktioniert. Und es liegt nicht an der Benutzung von mkgmap

Re: [Talk-de] Post- und Telefonkarte

2010-01-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 3. Januar 2010 00:07 schrieb René Falk li...@falconaerie.de: Am 02.01.2010 22:57, schrieb northc...@gmx.de: Interessant was als operator für die Firma in gelb alles verwendet wird: Das kommt daher, das es keine Firma sondern ein Konzern mit mehreren Dutzend Tochter- und

Re: [Talk-de] Wie finde ich ... in meiner Nähe ?

2010-01-03 Thread Claudius
Am 30.12.2009 07:27, Christian Knorr: Hallo zusammen, ich suche gerade als praktisches Beispiel eine Altkleidersammlung Annahmestelle. Als Tag habe ich recycling:clothes gefunden. Aber wie finde ich Anwenderfreundlich den Nächsten in meiner Umgebung? Danke schonmal, Chris... Mittels

[Talk-de] PERL-Centroid einer Fläche Berechnen

2010-01-03 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! kennt einer von Euch einen perl-basierten Weg um einen Punkt in einer Fläche - für die Platzierung von Markern in einer Karte - berechnen zu können ? Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Post- und Telefonkarte

2010-01-03 Thread Mirko Küster
ja, aber das ist in vielen Bereichen so. Wir taggen halt den jeweils aktuellen Stand und versuchen dann bei Umfirmierungen, diese nachzuziehen. Zumindestens beim Briefversand und den dazu gehörigen Briefkästen ist seit privatisierung der Post die Deutsche Post AG zuständig. Da hat sich in

Re: [Talk-de] Post- und Telefonkarte

2010-01-03 Thread René Falk
Am 03.01.2010 13:05, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 3. Januar 2010 00:07 schrieb René Falk li...@falconaerie.de: Dazu kommt noch, das meiner Erfahrung nach, durchschnittlich alle 2-3 Jahre Namensänderungen im Konzern vorgenommen werden. Ebenso gibt es je nach Marktlage Umstrukturierungen im

Re: [Talk-de] PERL-Centroid einer Fläche Berechnen

2010-01-03 Thread Gary68
hi, du könntest mal bei dem modul math::polygon vorbeisehen ciao gerhard On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 13:31 +0100, Jan Tappenbeck wrote: Moin ! kennt einer von Euch einen perl-basierten Weg um einen Punkt in einer Fläche - für die Platzierung von Markern in einer Karte - berechnen zu können

[Talk-de] Aerowest

2010-01-03 Thread Michael Rathai
Hallo und noch ein gutes neues Jahr! Weiss eigentlich jemand etwas über die Aerowestgeschichte in Dortmund. Da gab es doch im Herbst einen Anlauf bzw. ein Pilotversuch oder ähnliches. Läuft da noch was, gibt es Ergebnisse? Guten Start Michael___

[Talk-de] CZ: historische Karten von und mit OpenStreetMap

2010-01-03 Thread malenki
Auf der tschechischen Liste fand ich dieses interessante Projekt: http://osm.kyblsoft.cz/historie/ Man kann (auf Tschechien begrenzte) Gebiete in einem wählbaren Zeitraum zwischen heute und dem 10.10.2007 mit den damals vorhandenen Daten rendern lassen. Hier der Link zur Google-Übersetzung der

[Talk-de] onewaychecks und noexit=yes

2010-01-03 Thread Gary68
hi, ich habe mal über die bitte nachgedacht, mit noexit=yes getaggte nodes/ways nicht anzuzeigen. ich bin der meinung, dass das wohl schon korrekt getaggt ist, dass da aber auf jeden fall noch weiter gebaut oder die einbahnregelung geändert werden muss. so macht mir das in der realität sonst

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