[Talk-hr] Virtualni dan slobodnih i otvorenih tehnologija

2014-03-14 Thread Ksenija kulić
U nedjelju 16.3.2014. s početkom u 15:00h bit će održan prvi Virtualni dan slobodnih i otvorenih tehnologija. Kako bi mogli pratiti virtualni dan trebaju vam sljedeći linkovi: HULK onAir youtube kanal gdje ćete moći uživo pratiti predavanja:

[OSM-talk-be] Knooppunten Limburg

2014-03-14 Thread Stijn Rombauts
Hoi, Ter info: http://www.toerismelimburg.be/nl/content/werken-op-het-fietsroutenetwerk Eind maart 2014 is de nieuwe fietskaart voor het toeristisch fietsroutenetwerk beschikbaar. Na een periode van 5 jaar zonder grote wijzigingen op het fietsroutenetwerk, gaan er dit jaar heel wat nieuwe

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Knooppunten Limburg

2014-03-14 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 14 March 2014 11:26:51 Stijn Rombauts wrote: Ik ben al een paar nieuwe en verplaatste knoopunten tegengekomen. De fietsers onder ons gaan weer weten wat doen. Ook in de provincie Antwerpen worden er deze maanden heel wat routes aangepast, dus nog meer werk :-) Ben

Re: [OSM-talk-be] welcoming new mappers

2014-03-14 Thread joost schouppe
Hi Jorieke, Thanks for the feedback. I like copy paste, so I will copy your questions and answer them one by one. - now the oldest member is on top, maybe it is interesting to put the newest member on top? Good idea:

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Géomatique Wallonne - strategic plan

2014-03-14 Thread Ben Abelshausen
Hi Julien, I already read part of your comments but I will try and have a closer look soon... I also received word that OKFN is doing the same. Maybe we could merge this work with theirs? Best Regards, Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] HRS.com uses OpenStreetMap-data without credit

2014-03-14 Thread Simon Poole
Do you have any indication from when the data may be? At least roughly pre/post licence change (pre-licence change data would naturally pose a number of questions)? In general attribution of OSM in the context of non-map uses is not particularly good and hasn't been policed at the same level. We

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Russ Nelson
Paweł Paprota writes: Unless you protect and license your work, you *will* be exploited by a powerful corporation. It is not possible for any powerful corporation to exploit OpenStreetMap data. That's because OpenStreetMap is not way #20101312, it is Paweł Paprota. OpenStreetMap is not node

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Russ Nelson
Alex Barth writes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21221 Another aspect of where the ODbL hurts us: Because we are using a restrictive license, we cannot argue against other parties that use a restrictive license. Look at New York State's GIS Clearinghouse. Individuals not

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:26:23AM -0400, Alex Barth wrote: Hello everyone - I've been sitting on writing about the detrimental effects of OpenStreetMap's share-alike license (ODbL) for a while and finally decided to, um, share. I've been listening long to many OpenStreetMappers I respect a

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Norbert Wenzel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/14/2014 12:41 AM, Michael Kugelmann wrote: Am 13.03.2014 15:26, schrieb Alex Barth: Looking forward to your comments, No! Stay at Share alike to avoid misuse of open data! Compare it to the GPL which is frequently used in OS-Sortware. Am I

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Stefan Keller
With current ODbL I'm mainly concerned about 1. small and medium corporations as well as 2. government entities. I'm not so concerned about big companies, especially G* exploiting OSM (although I dislike some behaviours of G*). So I'm in favor of CC-BY (e.g.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 14 March 2014, Florian Lohoff wrote: [...] Today maintaining the Linux Kernel or OSM without a HUGE community is a lost fight so there is nothing to gain by taking this data _from_ the community. Those who do this are the ones to loose, not the ones giving away their code/data.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Simon Poole
One thing I would like to hear about in this context of this discussion, are examples of concrete use cases that are not happening because of share alike and that are in general things that the community would like to support (so not evil corp can't take the data now and keep it). Concrete in the

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread sabas88
2014-03-14 10:58 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: Example: one of the classical straw men is that government GIS offices over the whole world would wide spread directly take OSM data and integrate it in to their own official datasets, if you believe that, I have a number of bridges

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Norbert, 1. Yes, it would be fair to say that ODbL is much closer to LGPL than it is to GPL. The ODbL does not require Share-Alike merely on combining two datasets, but only if you modify the data that's in OSM in addition to adding your own. 2. Using GPG is good. Using GPG without MIME

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread osm
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:58:57 +0100, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: One thing I would like to hear about in this context of this discussion, are examples of concrete use cases that are not happening because of share alike and that are in general things that the community would like to support

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Martin Raifer
To throw another log into the fire: What about imports? OSM having a share-alike licence enabled us to incorporate (and otherwise use) all kinds of open data sets, which may be licensed PD/CC0, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA or ODbL. (A lot of open government data in the EU is released under CC-BY or

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Simon Poole
Am 14.03.2014 12:43, schrieb o...@k3v.eu: ... On the flip side of this, if share alike is so great where are the examples of organisations contributing back to OSM because of it? Mostly I think organisations contribute because it is in their interest to do so (a better map makes their

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 7:43 AM, o...@k3v.eu wrote: On the flip side of this, if share alike is so great where are the examples of organisations contributing back to OSM because of it? We see this already. I've spoken to companies and orgs who have said specifically that they would not

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Simon Poole wrote: One thing I would like to hear about in this context of this discussion, are examples of concrete use cases that are not happening because of share alike and that are in general things that the community would like to support (so not evil corp can't take the data now and keep

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Simon Poole
Am 14.03.2014 14:17, schrieb Jukka Rahkonen: .. Hi Simon, We have considered that we cannot use OpenStreetMap as a background map in any of the applications where users are sending location aware information back to administration. For showing existing data it would be OK but not

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 14 March 2014 12:01, Martin Raifer tyr@gmail.com wrote: OSM having a share-alike licence enabled us to incorporate (and otherwise use) all kinds of open data sets, which may be licensed PD/CC0, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA or ODbL. (A lot of open government data in the EU is released under CC-BY or

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Jukka, although I'm curious about an answer from someone who's more competent in the legal things, I'm not sure with your argument here. ODBL does not require Share-Alike for produced works. The map, even when based on OSM data is a produced work. Therefore even if the map is based on osm

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:58:57AM +0100, Simon Poole wrote: One thing I would like to hear about in this context of this discussion, are examples of concrete use cases that are not happening because of share alike and that are in general things that the community would like to support

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Simon Poole wrote: Two remarks/questions: - is the derived data actually being publicly used? Sometimes is, sometimes not. If it is publicly used then it may be that only part of the attributes are public. Something that is not publicly used right now may come public in the future but still

[OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, is there really no way to avoid those horrible captchas whenever I add a link to a JOSM bug ticket or another friendly website to the wiki?? There are at least 2 tickets open which could help a lot: *https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/5116 *https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3898 I

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Steve Coast
I disagree. This is about money; my personal belief is that CloudMade would have made more dollars without having to ShareAlike. More business models open up, and it wouldn’t have had to deal with the community. Indeed I imagine this was a topic of continual discussion. The ODbL requires only

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Simon Poole
What I saw on Tuesday seem to indicate that ReMAPTCHA (Stefan?) is nearly here. As the name says it is map related. Unluckily it is still a pain to use if you have problems with your eyesight, but at least you are not working for google at the same time. Simon Am 14.03.2014 16:06, schrieb

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread colliar
On 14.03.2014 16:06, Richard Z. wrote: Hi, is there really no way to avoid those horrible captchas whenever I add a link to a JOSM bug ticket or another friendly website to the wiki?? How about interlinks ? JOSM Trac has some for most common external website (OSM, OSM-wiki, OSM-Trac etc.)

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Tom Hughes
On 14/03/14 15:06, Richard Z. wrote: How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas? You're offering to write one I take it? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:43:38PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 14/03/14 15:06, Richard Z. wrote: How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas? You're offering to write one I take it? will think about one. In the short term, there are open tickets which should make it a lot easier Richard

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Tom Hughes
On 14/03/14 15:50, Richard Z. wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:43:38PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 14/03/14 15:06, Richard Z. wrote: How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas? You're offering to write one I take it? will think about one. In the short term, there are open tickets which

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread colliar
On 14.03.2014 17:01, Tom Hughes wrote: On 14/03/14 15:50, Richard Z. wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:43:38PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 14/03/14 15:06, Richard Z. wrote: How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas? You're offering to write one I take it? will think about one. In the

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: We see this already. I've spoken to companies and orgs who have said specifically that they would not contribute to OSM if it was not Share-Alike. No one wants to be competing against themselves in the future. This

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 14.03.2014 17:15, Tom Hughes wrote: I think most of those are already whitelisted aren't they? Unless I'm mistaken, these are the currently whitelisted URLs: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Captcha-addurl-whitelist ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Cristian Consonni
2014-03-13 15:26 GMT+01:00 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com: I've been sitting on writing about the detrimental effects of OpenStreetMap's share-alike license (ODbL) for a while and finally decided to, um, share. I've been listening long to many OpenStreetMappers I respect a ton telling me it's not

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 07:12:13PM +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 14.03.2014 17:15, Tom Hughes wrote: I think most of those are already whitelisted aren't they? Unless I'm mistaken, these are the currently whitelisted URLs:

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Andrew Hain
Richard Z. ricoz.osm at gmail.com writes: I need on average 4 captcha-reloads before I get a captcha picture which I can recognise with good enough confidence to even try it. You only have to type the right number for the distorted figures. You can type whatever you like for the photograph.

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Дмитрий Киселев
Andrew, ha, as a rule, you can recognize a photo but not a distorted figures. 2014-03-14 22:50 GMT+01:00 Andrew Hain andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk: Richard Z. ricoz.osm at gmail.com writes: I need on average 4 captcha-reloads before I get a captcha picture which I can recognise with good

Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!

2014-03-14 Thread Cristian Consonni
2014-03-14 16:19 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: What I saw on Tuesday seem to indicate that ReMAPTCHA (Stefan?) is nearly here. As the name says it is map related. Wonderful idea! There's a demo/the code somewhere? Cristian ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 14/03/2014, o...@k3v.eu o...@k3v.eu wrote: On the flip side of this, if share alike is so great where are the examples of organisations contributing back to OSM because of it? There's one fairly obvious to me : the share-alike requirement is necessary to enforce the attribution requirement

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 14/03/2014, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi wrote: For showing existing data it would be OK but not for gathering data from users because user could locate a place corner of Annankatu and Merimiehenkatu http://osm.org/go/0xPLoLTa0?m= by looking at the OSM map. The interpretation

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Toby Murray
On Mar 14, 2014 8:24 AM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi wrote: Simon Poole wrote: One thing I would like to hear about in this context of this discussion, are examples of concrete use cases that are not happening because of share alike and that are in general things that the

[OSM-talk-nl] Postbussen

2014-03-14 Thread osm-talk-nl
Hallo! TL;DR: Is het een goed idee om te proberen de lijst van brievenbussen van PostNL los te peuteren en te importeren in OSM? Ik zie dat ik brievenbussen op de kaart toe kan voegen, maar ik ben er nog geen enkele tegengekomen, laat staan compleet met lichtingsmomenten zoals ze wel op de

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] mapping roads

2014-03-14 Thread Donie Kelly
I got nothing back. Didn't follow it up. On 14 Mar 2014, at 19:50, Daniel Cussen d...@post.com wrote: I've just got a response from An Garda that my request has been passed up the chain. Fingers crossed. Donie Donie Did you ever get an official response from the Gardai regarding your

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Hélio Ricardo Pinheiro Coutinho
PessoALL, Sou do Rio de Janeiro e estou dando manutenção no OSM desde novembro de 2013 (estou aprendendo bastante!) e vim pedir ajuda, principalmente aos colaboradores do Rio de Janeiro que conhecem bem os trechos que irei falar... Fiquei bastante contente ao conseguir minha primeira

Re: [Talk-br] Why Imports in OpenStreetMap Are Controversial

2014-03-14 Thread Wille
Há um novo texto no blog do Serge sobre a dificuldade de manutenção de dados importados no OSM: http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/03/13/the-maintenance-of-imported-data-in-openstreetmap/ On 04-02-2014 19:59, Wille wrote: Compartilho um texto muito bom sobre a questão das importações no OSM:

Re: [Talk-br] São Paulo capital, tag reg

2014-03-14 Thread Marcelo Pereira
Taí uma tag que eu nunca entendi como preencher, REF Sempre que rodo o validador do JOSM, aparecem críticas relacionadas. E é tanta coisa colocada lá que fica dificil saber o que é mesmo para ficar. Marcelo 2014-03-13 23:53 GMT-03:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com: On Thu, Mar 13,

Re: [Talk-br] São Paulo capital, tag reg

2014-03-14 Thread John Packer
ref é uma etiqueta genérica para Código de referência (corrijo o que disse antes, não é número, é código). Assim como para a etiqueta name, tem outras etiquetas relacionadashttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Refpara usos similares, como loc_ref, old_ref, ref:* e outros. A etiqueta ref pode ser

Re: [Talk-br] São Paulo capital, tag reg

2014-03-14 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
2014-03-14 9:12 GMT-03:00 Marcelo Pereira pereirahol...@gmail.com: Taí uma tag que eu nunca entendi como preencher, REF De forma bem resumida, no Brasil ref vai ser comumente utilizada nas saídas de rodovias (quando na placa tem Saída 430A você vai colocar 430A na ref) e nas rodovias (por

Re: [Talk-br] São Paulo capital, tag reg

2014-03-14 Thread John Packer
Alterei a tradução de *Reference* no editor iDhttps://www.transifex.com/projects/p/id-editor/translate/#pt_BR/presets/11487835?q=refpara Código de referência. Em 14 de março de 2014 09:23, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.comescreveu: 2014-03-14 9:12 GMT-03:00 Marcelo Pereira

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
2014-03-14 8:13 GMT-03:00 Hélio Ricardo Pinheiro Coutinho helio_couti...@hotmail.com: Porém, notei que o mapa compilado, já no GPS Garmin, ficou com alguns problemas: Por acaso você está usando o poly daqui http://downloads.cloudmade.com/americas/south_america/brazil/rio_de_janeiro para extrair

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Lists
Eu uso http://gaemin.openstreetmap.nl/ Depois um tempo p gerar (muitos vezes instantanio) a mapa com qualquer poligonio voce quer ser disponível, geralmente gerando somente Brazil, mas dezembro passado girei Brazil com Portugal no mesmo mapa Os arquivos e disponíveis em os mais usados formatos

Re: [Talk-br] Validador nacional

2014-03-14 Thread Marcelo Pereira
Osmanianos, Lendo a frase Rivers and streams should not be tagged with layer -1 along long sections of their length, eu entendo que a tag layer NÃO deve ser usada em longas seções de rios e ( seja-lá-o-que-for ) streams. Mas deduzo que é possível usá-la em rios nos pontos/trechos onde estiver

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Hélio Ricardo Pinheiro Coutinho
Obrigado!Vou tentar o novo Poly indicado para o Rj.Uma pergunta, e quanto ao mapa do Brasil, aparecem praticamente os mesmos problemas. Você teria como me indicar um outro arquivo Poly para o Brasil? Não querendo abusar, quando faço pesquisa de endereço no GPS com esses mapas, aparecem após a

Re: [Talk-br] Validador nacional

2014-03-14 Thread Fernando Trebien
- Pra renderização o que ficaria melhor ? Depende do seu renderizador. Para o Mapnik, layer=0 nas pontes fica melhor nesse caso específico porque daí ele consegue conectar o preenchimento e o contorno da via da ponte ao preenchimento e contorno das vias em que a ponte se conecta. Daí, o rio

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
2014-03-14 10:39 GMT-03:00 Hélio Ricardo Pinheiro Coutinho helio_couti...@hotmail.com: Uma pergunta, e quanto ao mapa do Brasil, aparecem praticamente os mesmos problemas. Você teria como me indicar um outro arquivo Poly para o Brasil? Tem esse aqui:

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Paulo Carvalho
Em 14 de março de 2014 08:13, Hélio Ricardo Pinheiro Coutinho helio_couti...@hotmail.com escreveu: PessoALL, Sou do Rio de Janeiro e estou dando manutenção no OSM desde novembro de 2013 (estou aprendendo bastante!) e vim pedir ajuda, principalmente aos colaboradores do Rio de Janeiro

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Hélio Ricardo Pinheiro Coutinho
Nelson, Obrigado mais uma vez! Este Poly que você me indicou só tem 5KB o que usei tem 2133KB, é isso mesmo? Abs, Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:53:03 -0300 From: nao...@gmail.com To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-br]Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas

Re: [Talk-br] Validador nacional

2014-03-14 Thread Fernando Trebien
Do not use layer=-1 to *hide warnings* about crossing or overlapping ways. Either *fix them* or leave the easily visible warning so that others can fix them. Quem disse está sendo feito assim para esconder alertas? Eu tratei cada um dos alertas originais, e por fim coloquei layer=-1 no rio. Está

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
2014-03-14 11:07 GMT-03:00 Hélio Ricardo Pinheiro Coutinho helio_couti...@hotmail.com: Este Poly que você me indicou só tem 5KB o que usei tem 2133KB, é isso mesmo? Sim, está certo :-) É uma versão mais simplificada, com número menor de nós. ___

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Paulo Carvalho
Boa, Nelson, vou incluir esse poly no kit. A propósito, você teria por aí os polys dos outros estados? []s PC Em 14 de março de 2014 10:03, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.comescreveu: 2014-03-14 8:13 GMT-03:00 Hélio Ricardo Pinheiro Coutinho helio_couti...@hotmail.com: Porém, notei

Re: [Talk-br] Validador nacional

2014-03-14 Thread Fernando Trebien
Qual a origem desse dogma, na minha opinião: ao importar a hidrografia de uma certa região, alguns importadores acharam mais conveniente colocar layer=-1 em todos os rios pra se livrar dos alertas do JOSM do que deixar os alertas e, quem sabe, adicionar as pontes corretamente. Bem, tem 1 coisa

Re: [Talk-br] Why Imports in OpenStreetMap Are Controversial

2014-03-14 Thread Paulo Carvalho
Bom, manter um mapa atualizado é um desafio. Não vejo porque esse seria um problema exclusivo da parte que é importada. Meu primeiro tracklog (enviado ao Tracksource) foi de uma rampa de asa-delta que visitei em Congonhal-MG em 2004. Nem sei se ainda existe. 2014-03-14 8:56 GMT-03:00 Wille

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Hélio Ricardo Pinheiro Coutinho
Paulo Carvalho, - O mapa base pego daqui (como está indicado na BAT do projeto COCAR): http://download.geofabrik.de/south-america/brazil-latest.osm.pbf - Captura: Não estou com o GPS aqui no trabalho, posso enviar a noite... - Procuro sempre habilitar um mapa por vez... - Não

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Paulo Carvalho
Hélio, Se você apontar um exemplo (dando nome da Rua ou apontando no OSM) eu mesmo faço a verificação no meu GPS contra o mapa-base do OSM. [ ]s Paulo Em 14 de março de 2014 11:17, Hélio Ricardo Pinheiro Coutinho helio_couti...@hotmail.com escreveu: Paulo Carvalho, - O mapa base

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
2014-03-14 11:09 GMT-03:00 Paulo Carvalho paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com: Boa, Nelson, vou incluir esse poly no kit. A propósito, você teria por aí os polys dos outros estados? Posso gerar. Hoje e fim de semana está meio corrido, mas no máximo até segunda eu gero de todos.

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Hélio Ricardo Pinheiro Coutinho
Paulo, segue, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/204618440#map=19/-22.82102/-42.99988 Rua Almirante Nestor Pinto Alves (ao lado do Supermercado Extra) aparece no ID e não aparece no mapa OSM no GPS, entre outras próximas. Abs, Hélio. Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:20:38 -0300 From:

Re: [Talk-br] Kit para compilação Garmin em Windows e mapas Garmin para download

2014-03-14 Thread Paulo Carvalho
Nélson, não tenha pressa. Pensei que talvez você os já tivesse prontos. Mas se dispondo a gerá-los, só temos a agradecer. []s Paulo Em 14 de março de 2014 11:20, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.comescreveu: 2014-03-14 11:09 GMT-03:00 Paulo Carvalho paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com: Boa,

Re: [Talk-br] Validador nacional

2014-03-14 Thread Fernando Trebien
Pra quem quiser acompanhar: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-March/016865.html 2014-03-14 11:10 GMT-03:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com: Qual a origem desse dogma, na minha opinião: ao importar a hidrografia de uma certa região, alguns importadores acharam

[Talk-br] Porto Velho - Rios sobrepostos

2014-03-14 Thread Erick de Oliveira Leal
Pessoal, qual devo deixar desses dois rios sobrepostos? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/151882080 ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br

Re: [Talk-br] Porto Velho - Rios sobrepostos

2014-03-14 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
2014-03-14 14:48 GMT-03:00 Erick de Oliveira Leal erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com: Pessoal, qual devo deixar desses dois rios sobrepostos? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/151882080 Não é sobreposto. Um é o rio em si e o outro a área do rio. Está certo (só teria que ajustar a área dele)

Re: [Talk-br] Porto Velho - Rios sobrepostos

2014-03-14 Thread Ronaldo Maia
Pelo que eu sei, em rios vc pode desenhar uma área para marcar o espaço que ele ocupa, e também pode desenhar uma linha para marcar o seu curso (principalmente para ser usado quando for feito um planejamento de navegação), Talvez o que precise se feito ali é somente o ajuste do curso do rio.

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvidas em Natal

2014-03-14 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Troquei as respostas :-) Pra http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/42433318 você pergunta para a pessoa. Para http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/205363395 (no caso seria o outro lado da avenida e os trechos dela), deixa a avenida de forma correta (mão dupla).

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvidas em Natal

2014-03-14 Thread Bráulio
Do jeito que está está correto. Está assim por causa das obras da copa. 2014-03-14 16:46 GMT-03:00 Erick de Oliveira Leal erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com: Okay. Vou ver quem esta ativo lá e perguntar. Em 14/03/2014 16:41, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com escreveu: Troquei as respostas

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvidas em Natal

2014-03-14 Thread Erick de Oliveira Leal
Braulio. Então nos dois casos é pra deixar? Em 14/03/2014 16:52, Bráulio brauliobeze...@gmail.com escreveu: Do jeito que está está correto. Está assim por causa das obras da copa. 2014-03-14 16:46 GMT-03:00 Erick de Oliveira Leal erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com: Okay. Vou ver quem esta

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvidas em Natal

2014-03-14 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
2014-03-14 16:52 GMT-03:00 Bráulio brauliobeze...@gmail.com: Do jeito que está está correto. Está assim por causa das obras da copa. Aqui onde a avenida Aminta Barros, na parte de cima, muda de direção na Rua Professor Antônio Campos (ficando com os dois sentidos dela para uma única direção),

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvidas em Natal

2014-03-14 Thread Bráulio
Sim. Tanto a avenida Amintas Barros como a Miguel Castro (ao sul desta) estão com alguns trechos em mão única, mesmo onde há canteiro central. Há mais alterações além dessas, mas não estou conseguindo acompanhar :(. Mas pelo menos essa mais importantes e duradouras eu coloquei no mapa.

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvidas em Natal

2014-03-14 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
2014-03-14 16:57 GMT-03:00 Bráulio brauliobeze...@gmail.com: Sim. Tanto a avenida Amintas Barros como a Miguel Castro (ao sul desta) estão com alguns trechos em mão única, mesmo onde há canteiro central. Faltou um note explicando isso então ;-) ___

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvidas em Natal

2014-03-14 Thread Erick de Oliveira Leal
Braulio. Eu não vou corrigir, vou deixar pra você que tem mais conhecimento do caso. Em 14/03/2014 17:03, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com escreveu: 2014-03-14 16:57 GMT-03:00 Bráulio brauliobeze...@gmail.com: Sim. Tanto a avenida Amintas Barros como a Miguel Castro (ao sul desta)

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread NopMap
Hi! Um wieder auf die Originalmail zurückzukommen: - der Verfasser gibt keine Auskunft über seine Identität oder Legitimation dort überhaupt etwas zu fordern. - er macht eine ominöse Andeutung von erheblichen Problemen, nennt aber die angeblichen Probleme nicht - er spricht von Straftaten, aber

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread tumsi
+1 Sachliche Argumentation und sehr gute Vorschläge wie ich finde! Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten Datum: Fri Mar 14 2014 07:52:10 GMT+0100 Von: NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org Hi! Um wieder auf die

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread tumsi
Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten Datum: Thu Mar 13 2014 22:15:42 GMT+0100 Von: Christian H. Bruhn br...@arcor.de An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Hochsitze sind allgemein gut sichtbar, wenn

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Andreas Schmidt
Hi Nop, volle Zustimmung. Am 14.03.2014 07:52, schrieb NopMap: - der Verfasser gibt keine Auskunft über seine Identität oder Legitimation dort überhaupt etwas zu fordern. Selbst, wenn er Mitarbeiter des Forstamtes/Schießvereins/ Ehrenvorsitzender der Niedersächsischen Jägerschaft wäre, hätte

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 14. März 2014 08:56 schrieb Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de: Die Herren Hobbyschlachter müssen sich halt damit abfinden, dass ihre Freizeitbeschäftigung bei einem Teil der Bevölkerung nicht besonders hoch angesehen ist. Das widerrechtliche Beschädigen von Leitern, das ich

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Lothar Beck
Hallo Alle, zur Frage welche Karten Hochsitze anzeigen. Ich habe auf meinem Android Smartphone die App MapsWithMe: http://mapswith.me/de/home installiert. Die verwendet OSM als Basis. Rendert aber offensichtlich selbst, denn Hochsitze werden angezeigt. Hallo Hartmut, Am 13.03.2014 13:13,

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
On 03/14/2014 09:14 AM, Lothar Beck wrote: Nist- und Brutplätze sind oft (nicht bei allen Arten) temporär und daher für OSM nur bedingt geeignet. :) ich stoße hier im Wald immer wieder mal auf fest installierte Nistkästen und -hilfen, die meisten davon mit einer deutlich lesbaren Nummerierung

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Andreas Neumann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 14.03.2014 08:56, schrieb Andreas Schmidt: [...] Die Herren Hobbyschlachter [...] Ich verbitte mir eine solche Ausdrucksweise in öffentlichen Diskussionen. Man mag zur Jagd stehen wie man will, aber man sollte auch Menschen, deren Hobby man

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread tshrub
Am 13.03.2014 22:14, schrieb Michael Reichert: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hallo Frederik, Am 13.03.2014 20:21, schrieb Dirk Sohler: Frederik Ramm schrieb: Ich weiss nicht ganz, wie ich darauf reagieren soll. Gar nicht. Hat er sich überhaupt mit mehr Informationen als

[Talk-de] SOTM-EU - Vorträge einreichen

2014-03-14 Thread Andreas Labres
Hallo! Bitte Vorträge für die SOTM-EU einreichen, die Frist endet am 17. März! Details: https://sotm-eu.org/en/pages/cfp /al ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:23:18AM +0100, Andreas Neumann wrote: Am 14.03.2014 08:56, schrieb Andreas Schmidt: [...] Die Herren Hobbyschlachter [...] Ich verbitte mir eine solche Ausdrucksweise in öffentlichen Diskussionen. Man mag zur Jagd stehen wie man will, aber man sollte auch

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Sven Geggus
Hartmut Holzgraefe hartmut.holzgra...@gmail.com wrote: Jetzt mal ganz blöd gefragt: werden Hochsitze auf den gängigen Karten überhaupt gerendert? Mir ist noch nie einer aufgefallen, das kann aber auch einfach daran liegen das hier in der Gegend keiner erfasst ist ... Die Reit- und

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 13/mar/2014 um 15:42 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com: Vielleicht kann eine teporäre Herausnahme (z.B. durch Änderung des Keys) den Jäger davon überzeugen, dass seine Hochsitze auch ohne OSM beschädigt werden und die Leute auch so in den Wald gehen. dagegen Immerhin

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Michael Reichert
Hallo, Am 14.03.2014 16:50, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 13/mar/2014 um 15:42 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com: Immerhin hat der Jäger angefragt, wenn auch nicht sehr höflich, und nicht gleich Hand an die Daten gelegt. wahrscheinlich wusste er nicht, wie es geht ;-) Ich

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Stephan Wolff
Moin, mich erschreckt die kompromisslose Haltung und die teils aggressive Wortwahl als Reaktion auf eine höflich geschriebene Bitte. Ich habe in einigen Fällen darauf verzichtet, mir bekannte Fakten in OSM einzutragen. Einen Seeadlerhorst und den stationären Bauwagen eines Waldkindergartens

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 14. März 2014 18:11 schrieb Stephan Wolff s.wo...@web.de: Wir sollten in wenigen Einzelfällen auf Eintragungen in OSM verzichten, auch wenn kein gesetzlicher Anspruch darauf besteht. ja, aber darum geht es ja gar nicht. Klar trägt jeder nur das ein, was ihm sinnvoll vorkommt, und das er

Re: [Talk-de] Hochsitze / Bitte um Entfernung von Daten

2014-03-14 Thread Archer
Meiner Meinung nach sollte man die Hochsitze nicht löschen, um keinen Präzedenzfall zu schaffen. Die Erfassung von Hochsitzen ist datenschutzrechtlich nicht zu beanstanden. Demnächst fordert dann jemand, wir sollten Höhlen aus OSM löschen (wie kürzlich bei Wikipedia geschehen) oder irgendein

[Talk-it] Università con più sedi e campus.

2014-03-14 Thread Aury88
ciao a tutti. oggi il mio dubbio riguarda le grandi università che spesso non sono localizzate in un unico punto, ma il discorso può essere esteso a svariati ambiti (ospedali, circoli scolastici etc etc) nello specifico oggi ho provato a sistemare il Politecnico di Milano secondo la suddivisione

[Talk-it] commento su licenza odbl

2014-03-14 Thread Simone Cortesi
Ciao, ieri, Simon Poole, chairman della openstreetmap foundation ha pubblicato un entry nel suo diario osm in cui parla delle clausole share-alike della ODBL: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/21225 sabas, sbiribizio e io lo abbiamo tradotto in italiano e pubblicato al volo:

Re: [Talk-it] R: coperture in cemento - amianto

2014-03-14 Thread cascafico
Cristian Consonni wrote Ecco qui di seguito cosa produce una ricerca in Emilia per roof:material=eternit nella pagina wiki per roof:material mi sembra ci sia un po' di confusione... oltre al discusso tag roof:material=eternit (forte comunque dei numeri in taginfo), c'è una classificazione

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