Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

Am 01.05.2015 um 08:56 schrieb Colin Smale: > I wonder how a marketing department would react if their (potential) > customers complained they couldn't find the store. Gary knows very very very well who and how to contact if he actually had a question. Just as the handful of others in the geo-in

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

How about a new page on www.openstreetmap.org behind a new item "Contact" in the top row menu (which has Help and About)? I am thinking of a page which forwards users according to their scenario: If you would like to contribute to the map as an individual, click here If you would like to par

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > > It should be pointed out that during 2012 and 2014 and continuing with > at least the LWG till today, dozens of companies and organisations > (outside of the geo-industry) with questions have had no problems > contacting the OSMF and getting a

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

I'm fairly sure that it has been discussed before (for a while pre-redesign we had such a link at least on the German version which we really should still have for legal reasons). I suspects the designers issue is using screen real estate for stuff that is not that often used. It is simply the sm

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

On Friday 01 May 2015, Simon Poole wrote: > > Gary knows very very very well who and how to contact if he actually > had a question. Just as the handful of others in the geo-industry > moaning, it is simply a meme for "you don't conform to our industry > norm for a number of things and we think you

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

On 01/05/15 09:25, Simon Poole wrote: I'm fairly sure that it has been discussed before (for a while pre-redesign we had such a link at least on the German version which we really should still have for legal reasons). I suspects the designers issue is using screen real estate for stuff that is n

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

Am 01.05.2015 um 10:48 schrieb Christoph Hormann: ... > > > Of course big head at company A usually knows how to quickly get in > contact with big head at company B, what really bugs them with OSM is > that they are supposed to use the same channels as John Doe. > > Well less that, because

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

I was actually going to suggest something along such lines given that both the Help and About pages are not particularly well used. But didn't want to get in to the bike shedding trap, so if I get around to it I'll submit a couple of PRs. Simon Am 01.05.2015 um 10:52 schrieb Tom Hughes: > On 01/0

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

I feel OSM has many flaws and one of them is that it's failing to address the flaws adequately. I think the fault lies with the OSM marketing department - what do you mean, we haven't got one ? Another fer instance: "ex-mappers" should be a swear-word around here. On 1 May 2015 at 10:12, Simon Po

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

Just a quick comment that GeoHipster is just a (fun) blog with some tongue-in-cheek atmosphere. There are eg interviews on it and guest posts with very different opinions. Gary's post is his own views. I am not affiliated with GeoHipster, just wanted to clear this up. Cheers, Hannes > Anybody eve

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > I think eventually chains will see the light, and publish their locations > in an open format compatible manner. > At that point a quick cross check with OSM would clear up most of the > issues. > I think this depends on the chain and how m

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

When it comes to McDonald's, at least in the USA and Canada, they (when they are stand-alone stores) are extremely easy to verify via Bing Imagery since they almost always use the same design for the buildings. It also helps when the sun was just right when the imagery was taken that the McDona

[OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

>I think eventually chains will see the >light, and publish their locations in an >open format compatible manner. At >that point a quick cross check with >OSM would clear up most of the >issues. > Agree. Has anyone actually asked the retail chains? I haven't because I don't want to suggest that w

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

Perhaps TeleNav or Bing's lawyers are brave enough to say ODbL is not a problem, or they guess that those entities could absorb the lawsuit. They are the only lawyers who take this stance, and they haven't tested it - neither company provides permanent OSM-derived geocoding. Everywhere else, cauti

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoHipster comment on OSM

> On May 1, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Tom MacWright wrote: > > Perhaps TeleNav or Bing's lawyers are brave enough to say ODbL is not a > problem, or they guess that those entities could absorb the lawsuit. They are > the only lawyers who take this stance, and they haven't tested it - neither > compan

[OSM-talk] Purpose of discussion facilities

I'm not quite sure of the purpose of places to discuss things when there are facilities to prevent discussion. https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/286#issuecomment-98117456 Would someone like to explain ? -- Mike. @millomweb

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

Andrew, On 05/01/2015 12:04 AM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > I am trying to figure out a way of cleaning up incorrect chain store > data in OSM. For example there are 1422 instances of "McDonalds" in > OSM (should be McDonald's) and 203 instances of "Tim Horton's" (should > be Tim Hortons). That's a

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

On 5/1/2015 11:07 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: That's a very "computer person" approach to take. In fact, the "McDonald's" issue has already been tried by someone in the past with an undiscussed mechanical edit, promptly falsifying a few non-chain non-fastfood places that*really* were called McDonal

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

On 1 May 2015 at 16:07, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Andrew, > > On 05/01/2015 12:04 AM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > > I am trying to figure out a way of cleaning up incorrect chain store > > data in OSM. For example there are 1422 instances of "McDonalds" in > > OSM (should be McDonald's) and 203 instan

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

If we want to unify a kind of chain store, I think we should leave the name tag, and focus on other tags. Some examples are ref:vatin=* for the vat id of the store, brand:wikidata=* for the wikidata id of the brand owner, website=* for the central website, or we can find a new better tag that shoul

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

On Friday 01 May 2015, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > > I have created pages on the OSM wiki called > and > . Ideally I > would like to create wiki pages for every large chain of stores in

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Bryce Nesbitt > wrote: > >> I think eventually chains will see the light, and publish their locations >> in an open format compatible manner. >> At that point a quick cross check with OSM would clear up most o

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

> .. McDonald's problem... Please don't forget the true "McDonald's" problem! It is a content encoding hell. and very hard to detect by any ordinary field mappers. #1. name="McDonald’s"( count=126 ) U+2019 ’ e2 80 99 "RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK" http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/n

[OSM-talk] Open community (was: Chain Store Cleanup)

Fred wrote: >I don't think that is something that >really advances the quality in OSM, and >I would encourage you to grab a >notepad and venture outside to do >some mapping. That way you wouldn't >be scripting world-wide cleanup >operations but who knows, you might >actually add real value to OSM.

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Imre Samu wrote: > > .. McDonald's problem... > > Please don't forget the true "McDonald's" problem! It is a content > encoding hell. > and very hard to detect by any ordinary field mappers. > > #1. > name="McDonald’s"( count=126 ) U+2019 ’ e2 80 99 "RI

[OSM-talk] Holistic Map Editing (Was: Chain Store Cleanup)

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > OSM editing is usually "holistic" - you work on many aspects of the map > in an area. If the map has many edits by different people in an area > then I can reasonably assume that it has a certain minimum quality > because these people are on

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

2015-05-01 13:36 GMT+02:00 Rob Nickerson : > >I think eventually chains will see the >light, and publish their > locations in an >open format compatible manner. At >that point a quick > cross check with >OSM would clear up most of the >issues. > > > > Agree. Has anyone actually asked the retail ch

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Johan C wrote: > That's a good question Rob. 'Seeing the light' possibly means maintaining > your own platform/apps as a business. I did ask McDonald's back in 2012, I > got the following reply: "We put focus on optimizing this McDonald's app > and want to keep th

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

On 1 May 2015 at 20:26, Johan C wrote: > > 2015-05-01 13:36 GMT+02:00 Rob Nickerson : > >> >I think eventually chains will see the >light, and publish their >> locations in an >open format compatible manner. At >that point a quick >> cross check with >OSM would clear up most of the >issues. >> >

[OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

Hi All, I was reading the below linked article on the BBC today and came across the map. It looks like they’re using OSM-derived internally displaced person (IDP) camp data without attribution. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20039682 Based on what I’m reading in the relevant coordination channe

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

Approaching bigchains.com and asking them stupid questions is only going to downgrade the quality of OSM in their eyes. Consequently, it'd be better for OSM not to contact them - unless you can offer them '*something*'. Google (maps) is a business - so has a significant advantage. As for variable d

Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

They will have to pay an interview for this :)    Pierre De : Robert Banick À : OSM Talk ; hot Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 17h18 Objet : [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation? Hi All, I was reading the below linked article on the BBC today and came across the map. It looks like th

Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

Is that news article link still valid ? On 1 May 2015 at 22:18, Robert Banick wrote: > Hi All, > > I was reading the below linked article on the BBC today and came across > the map. It looks like they’re using OSM-derived internally displaced > person (IDP) camp data without attribution. > > ht

Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

Robert, the link doesn't seem to work (not just for me) Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

On 01/05/2015 22:18, Robert Banick wrote: Hi All, I was reading the below linked article on the BBC today and came across the map. It looks like they’re using OSM-derived internally displaced person (IDP) camp data without attribution. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20039682 Looks like that st

Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

same problem with me.    Pierre De : Simon Poole À : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 17h44 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation? Robert, the link doesn't seem to work (not just for me) Simon ___ talk ma

Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

Hi all, Sorry my internet cut out midway through writing the email and I got turned around finding the link. Im on my phone now and it's a bit clumsy to get the link, but Ii's the front page article on Nepal on the BBC World website.  Robert — Sent from Mailbox On Fri, May 1, 2015 a

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

On 1 May 2015 at 18:30, Imre Samu wrote: > > .. McDonald's problem... > > Please don't forget the true "McDonald's" problem! It is a content > encoding hell. > and very hard to detect by any ordinary field mappers. > > #1. > name="McDonald’s"( count=126 ) U+2019 ’ e2 80 99 "RIGHT SINGL

Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

This: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32551499 Map at bottom — Sent from Mailbox On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Pierre Béland wrote: > same problem with me. >    > Pierre > De : Simon Poole > À : talk@openstreetmap.org > Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 17h44 > Objet : Re:

Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

On 1 May 2015 at 22:53, Robert Banick wrote: > This: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32551499 > > Map at bottom > > > Not sure it's a BBC issue if they've had the image in good faith. -- Mike. @millomweb - For all your info on Mil

Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

Correct link worked now. I'm not aware that anybody in the LWG has a BBC contact, but Harry Wood from the CWG (and HOT) should have one. It is one of the cases were more benefit is likely to be had by getting the BBC to do a piece on OpenStreetMap, KLL and the volunteers that are supporting the

Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

> BBC > source NGA, Nepalese government ?? http://nepal.nga.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/74deb0f5eb6f4f7099f8f24cc176d5f9_3 "IDP Camps Nepal April 29th 2015" - IDP_Camps (2111) - Production : 04/28/2015 to 04/29/2015 - Metadata IDP Camps Nepal April 29th 2015 - Licensing No license specified - So

Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

Harry could you assure that they interview KLL ? I agree with Simon. This would be the more beneficial for OSM. regard   Pierre De : Simon Poole À : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 18h14 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation? Correct link worked now.

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

I can confirm that McDonald's in Quebec, Canada have an apostrophe from a Mapillary image of one in Gatineau, QC: . Reason being that an apostrophe is "English" but it is allowed in Quebec (at least nowadays) under French language laws. I am

Re: [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?

Agreed with all the above. No sense coming across very small in a disaster, but it is an opportunity to tell our "story". Whether the BBC bites or not is really out of our control.  — Sent from Mailbox On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Pierre Béland wrote: > Harry could you assure that they

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Andrew,> > That's a very "computer person" approach to take. In fact, the > "McDonald's" issue has already been tried by someone in the past with an > undiscussed mechanical edit, promptly falsifying a few non-chain > non-fastfood places that

Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup

> It is also an easy fallacy to think that if the marketing people of some > chain decide to spell their name differently, we could or should simply > replace all names to what they "should" be - no we don't, we only change > the name when the store changes its lettering. Another issue. If a store

[OSM-talk] Smrender — State of Development Report

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