Re: [OSM-talk] Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue

2015-05-30 Thread Marc Gemis
I've seen this topic being discussed here or elsewhere in the past. I thought that the consensus was that in some area's (a Spanish town I believe), it was ok to leave the oneway=no. The reasoning was that most streets in that town were oneway=yes, and the oneway=no was used to indicate that this r

Re: [OSM-talk] Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue

2015-05-30 Thread Warin
On 31/05/2015 10:51 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: I have posted this issue to the Craigslist feedback forum, but I also thought I would post it here to see if anyone has a specific contact at Cragislist that handles their map rendering. They use - and credit - OpenStreetMap (which is wonderful), bu

[OSM-talk] Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue

2015-05-30 Thread Mike Thompson
I have posted this issue to the Craigslist feedback forum, but I also thought I would post it here to see if anyone has a specific contact at Cragislist that handles their map rendering. They use - and credit - OpenStreetMap (which is wonderful), but I believe they perform their own custom renderi

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-30 Thread Alex Barth
We've got beautiful name:LANGUAGE tags, they work, I say let's use them. The English speaking community is well started into this practice (just look at the 1.3 million name:en tags [1]!) - now let's have the rest of us get in on the fun too ;-) Frederik's called upon the local-first rule a couple

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Komяpa: > What exactly are we trying to save by omitting these locales, what wasn't eaten already by source= on French buildings? :) Martin Koppenhoefer: > even of tiger:name_base_1 there are more than a million, almost double the > amount of all Russian names in osm. Firstly: It is a comm

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 29.05.2015 um 15:55 schrieb Komяpa : > > > What exactly are we trying to save by omitting these locales, what wasn't > eaten already by source= on French buildings? :) yes, and there are more tags that are both, used more often and are more questionable than name:ru tags, e.g. tiger:

[OSM-talk] Unsigned road refs (was: Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread SomeoneElse
On 30/05/2015 13:51, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: I find it odd that inaction, incapability or incompetence of local sign installers is a worry for a database of geographical facts, which OSM is. Why should it be incompetence? Near where I live there's a ring road around a local town. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-30 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
I find it odd that inaction, incapability or incompetence of local sign installers is a worry for a database of geographical facts, which OSM is. Some roads are hundreds of miles long, at what interval does it need to be signed for it to be considered signed. Beginning and end? Every 100 km? S

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 29.05.2015 um 14:05 schrieb SomeoneElse : > > * I have absolutely no idea what signage is around Haifa - if a name:en for a > place does appear on signs and is useful to use to see if you have got there > then clearly there needs to be some indicator that says that name:en is > useful

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanical name edit? (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/30/2015 12:26 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > as a sidenote for those who plan to study Italian with the aid of osm-talk, > München is 'Monaco di Baviera' in Italian ;-) Glad I didn't add that in a name:it tag ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 29.05.2015 um 13:58 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo : > > That's really neat. How do you know wether a street is signposted or > not ? I don't know of any tag that gives that info. there are ~600 visible_name 37000 unsigned_ref 518 unsigned 400 signed 161 name:signed 124 name:sign 86 ref:sig

Re: [OSM-talk] "Keulen" (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Roland, replies in-line On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Roland Olbricht wrote: > Luckily, in the offline database on my device, the object with "name"="Köln" > had a tag "name:nl"="Keulen". So I know that the sign is referring to my > desired destination. Depending on the device in question,

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanical name edit? (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 20:55 +1000, Warin wrote: > On 30/05/2015 8:41 PM, Roland Olbricht wrote: > > Hi, > > > >> On 05/30/2015 09:48 AM, Roland Olbricht wrote: > >>> Thank you for informing the community. Do you actually have substantial > >>> evidence of a mechanical edit or something similar? > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanical name edit? (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Warin
On 30/05/2015 8:41 PM, Roland Olbricht wrote: Hi, On 05/30/2015 09:48 AM, Roland Olbricht wrote: Thank you for informing the community. Do you actually have substantial evidence of a mechanical edit or something similar? There are a couple individual complaints and license issues (people tak

Re: [OSM-talk] "Keulen" (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 11:05 +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: > On 30/05/2015 07:59, Roland Olbricht wrote: > > > > I happened to drive through Belgium a few days ago, heading home. A > > good approximation of home in this case is "name"="Köln". Actually, I > > found a street sign (150 km away from "Köln

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanical name edit? (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, On 05/30/2015 09:48 AM, Roland Olbricht wrote: Thank you for informing the community. Do you actually have substantial evidence of a mechanical edit or something similar? There are a couple individual complaints and license issues (people taking names from a collection of military maps pu

Re: [OSM-talk] "Keulen" (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 20:17 +1000, Warin wrote: > On 30/05/2015 6:00 PM, Johan C wrote: > > > > The values used in the destination tag > > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination) should always > > display the exact name as it is shown on the signpost > > I guess it adds verificatio

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanical name edit? (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 30.05.2015 um 12:13 schrieb Frederik Ramm : > > The German city of München > is called "Monaco di Bavaria" in Italian, as a sidenote for those who plan to study Italian with the aid of osm-talk, München is 'Monaco di Baviera' in Italian ;-) cheers Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] "Keulen" (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Warin
On 30/05/2015 6:00 PM, Johan C wrote: The values used in the destination tag (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination) should always display the exact name as it is shown on the signpost When the 'name on the signpost' changes along the way, or by the direction of travel ..

Re: [OSM-talk] "Keulen" (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Jo
Another confusing one is Aachen. Depending in which language region of Belgium you are it will be Aken or Aix-la-Chapelle. Anyway, I'm also in favor of keeping most of the name:XX tags + a wikidata Q-number, of course. That's not the kind of redundancy I'm afraid of. In fact it's the kind of redun

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanical name edit? (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/30/2015 09:48 AM, Roland Olbricht wrote: > Thank you for informing the community. Do you actually have substantial > evidence of a mechanical edit or something similar? There are a couple individual complaints and license issues (people taking names from a collection of military maps pu

Re: [OSM-talk] "Keulen" (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread SomeoneElse
On 30/05/2015 07:59, Roland Olbricht wrote: I happened to drive through Belgium a few days ago, heading home. A good approximation of home in this case is "name"="Köln". Actually, I found a street sign (150 km away from "Köln") that reads "Keulen". Should I have followed it or not? A name

Re: [OSM-talk] "Keulen" (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Saturday 30 May 2015, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Whoever does the preprocessing is of course free to join OSM data > with any other database; so if for example we agreed that Wikidata > was our name repository of choice and we'd reduce our own name:xx > tagging to what is used by the people living

Re: [OSM-talk] "Keulen" (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/30/2015 08:59 AM, Roland Olbricht wrote: > Please note that > - I had no internet connectivity in that situation, hence "wikidata", > any other external database or even non-copied OSM data was not an option. Well: The data on your device will most certainly have been preprocessed; you

Re: [OSM-talk] "Keulen" (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Johan C
2015-05-30 8:59 GMT+02:00 Roland Olbricht : > Hi, > > first of all, I appreciate the ongoing work of the DWG in general and > Fredrik in particular to detect, discuss, and handle mass edits resembling > mechanical edits. I will get to them in a separate thread. > > What I would not support in OSM

[OSM-talk] Mechanical name edit? (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, Not only well-known tourist magnets carry foreign names; some dedicated language mappers have gone over and beyond the call of duty and added, for example, name:ru tags even to small villages: [..] (This is a matter currently under investigation by Data Working Group and it is relatively c

[OSM-talk] "Keulen" (was Re: Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?)

2015-05-30 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi, first of all, I appreciate the ongoing work of the DWG in general and Fredrik in particular to detect, discuss, and handle mass edits resembling mechanical edits. I will get to them in a separate thread. What I would not support in OSM, and like to outsource to Wikidata or other, is if s