Hi Mark
Although not anywhere conclusive I made a Mapillary capture outbound on
Woore Street Wilcannia 5/2022 that shows what are likely to be the dual
50/100 transition signs (smudges) well before the changeset. Might be
useful..
Bob
On 19/2/24 20:19, Mark Pulley wrote:
I haven’t done any
Correct!
On 15/12/23 12:49, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Bob
So the western bridge is now northbound & the "middle" bridge is south?
Thanks
Graeme
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 at 08:06, Bob Cameron wrote:
Wonder if someone might fix this one. Don't want to stuff it
se one way each way 3 lanes each. My (not
overly useful) 11/12/23 southbound Mapillary imagery hasn't merged yet.
Typically that may take another week. No overhead imagery is current.
I can dig up all the 1FPS 4K photos I have if anyone wants them.
Hi Nev
The Mapillary imagery at the eastern end at Carnarvon Hwy;
https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/bob3bob3?lat=-27.124729889167=149.06543468617=17%5B%5D=bob3bob3=2018-12-01=894202007803486=photo=0.7498372203522408=0.5576487643887181=2.5378590078328984
that are data complete.
Cheers
On 17/10/23 18:04, Andrew Davidson wrote:
On 17/10/23 04:58, Bob Cameron wrote:> Ways only? Because the output
data/list format is different. Nodes
are arranged by objects per co-ordinate, whereas ways are by an ID
that includes a nodes list, with a separate
On 16/10/23 20:55, Warin wrote:
No expert ...
Question: why only get the node when you can have the whole thing? I
think that just adds complexity?
Ways only? Because the output data/list format is different. Nodes are
arranged by objects per co-ordinate, whereas ways are by an ID that
A question for an overpass expert.
I am cleaning up a lot of the parking tags I have created so they follow
the same rules etc. I have successfully generated a text list of nodes
where I can cut/paste the co-ords into the ID editor to research/fix as
needed. This was done with a gpsbabel
A lady served me a burger and coffee at Windorah Roadhouse. I think I
remember the supermarket also had some limited fast food. I had a sit
down feed at the pub in a prior visit.
Was eaten alive by mozzies at Stonehenge (Qld) pub. The visitors centre
there (also a RTC and small supermarket)
suits most? (This having been
mentioned in prior posts)
Bob
On 1/10/23 17:02, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Good to hear from you, Bob.
As somebody who spends a lot of time out in remote places, what's your
thoughts on the concept?
Thanks
Graeme
On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 at 15:45, Bob Cameron wrote:
I managed (to buy) a coffee in Windorah two years ago.. That has to
count for something..
They have spent a lot on the campsite too. Newish amenities and hot
showers for $5/n in 5/21.
Cheers Bob
On 1/10/23 10:31, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Oh look - Windorah is there, so it must
Just a thought Salim
You might like to add street imagery and GPS tracks based on that as an
extra data source. This has a date stamp that much of the overhead
imagery does not.
Cheers Bob
On 17/3/23 02:55, Salim Baidoun wrote:
Hello Australia community,
We are releasing a challenge
Some Mapillary "data rich" slow vehicle locations. (ie for
checking/testing sign recognition)
- Dorrigo mountain - Waterfall Way. (Just west/north of Thora) NSW
- Bendemeer to Moonbi - New England Hwy NSW
- Black Mountain south - New England Hwy NSW
On 22/1/23 15:01, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Dian?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Sources
Just noticed that some of the Main Roads links for WA are coming up 404.
eg Speed Limits, Speed Zones, Control of Access & Road Stopping Places.
Some still work. I did not check them all.
I get the impression that searching
I wonder if someone with better knowledge on primary etc
routes/relations/sources might tackle this.
Was in Warialda NSW recently and noted that the HGV bypass barrier (east
of town) near the washdown facility has been removed, but didn't think
to check the formal route from there north. I
in the old.
Cheers, Bob
On 10/10/22 16:49, Phil Wyatt wrote:
Hi Folks,
Well I am not too sure that the correct tagging of buildings is
applied at all in Australia as I can only see about 200 uses of
building:use=* in all of Oz! Seems most folks use the building tag to
denote current use r
are named
St, Rd. etc
Thoughts? Worth contacting them?
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nal tunnel.
And not just accept the ID editor suggestion of a node ford
Bob
On 10/8/22 12:25, Dian Ågesson wrote:
Hey Graeme,
The 4WD_only tags and track types are already documented on the roads
subpage of the Tagging Guidelines.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidel
The Gregory River Doomadgee Road crossing near Tirranna Springs Qld has
a "not on foot" warning sign as the water over the causeway runs very
fast. Hard to know if it's a legal direction though.
On 10/8/22 20:58, Adam Steer wrote:
A little note to the discussion - the foot/ animal traffic
One of the cross checks I do is to use a bidirectional Mapillary track
layer. I'd suggest fairly good for road centering in open places (ie no
phase delay GPS reflections). No good for non covered cross street
positioning of course.
Bob
On 23/6/22 11:45, Alex Sims wrote:
Hi,
I’ve now got
lso
adding capacity:hgv based on a drive in/out 20x4m block.
I also add the presence (or not) of a rubbish bin!
What makes a park formal being signage or obvious ground/area works. The
distinction is sometimes a bit grey.
Will be a one by one fix of my past efforts!
Cheers
On 20/4/22 18:32,
Hi Phil
Well they are all scattered plus/minus the road I travelled/captured on
in the last week or two.
Tnx
On 27/4/22 17:44, Phil Wyatt wrote:
Hi Bob,
I have changed all the South Australian locations for you. I checked a few
random locations and they all looked to be placed within
So I'll ask some assistance from a mass edit guru here...
I'd like to change all my own landuse:farm nodes to place:farm, leaving
all child keys as they are. Since I only use ID is there anyone can help
do this? Does it require any kind of formal control?
Oh and I have found that DCS base
it is an unusual group like a religious order or non profit
retreat, but they already have other tags.
Cheers Bob
On 22/4/22 14:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Also bringing discussion out here from Discord.
An anonymous user is hitting Notes with quite a few entries yesterday
to say that remote homesteads
Only about regional areas, not urban
There are well used informal parks everywhere. Many used by trucks as
rest areas. Some are tiny, some are huge, some are gravel pits, some are
the NHVR green dot things.. Some councils even setup bins in them.
I'd like a way to tag any informal area. No
areas as unpaved than no tag, if the surface is unknown.
I use surface:fine_gravel in places. Problem is that the gravel
eventually wears off and it becomes.. unpaved! Unpaved is also what one
would use if sourcing only from overhead imagery. This all for another
discussion though.
Cheers Bob
Sorry I cant see where to add these points to the wiki, nor see the edit
evolution. No doubt I'll see some disagreements, but anyway!
- Regarding "No Camping" signs within the rest area category. (Although
it could apply to any location)
It seems a bit long winded and not really useful for
This might have been covered before..
What is the consensus on precedence of alt_names, more for roads and
waterways.
Example, I sometimes come across (NSW) creek name formal signs that are
quite different from what is shown on the DCS overlays. Is the primary
name the "on the ground" one
(kerchunking them), rather than trying short range simplex.
The closest is not necessarily the right one to use.
Bob
On 22/3/22 16:45, Stephen Backway wrote:
I wonder if this could be expanded to also capture the relevant
emergency use channel for the area
Keep in mind to also not run afoul with legislation. That might seem to
be about emergency use (UHF 5/35) or telemetry (UHF 22-23), but using
simplex on the input frequencies of UHF repeaters (31-38 & 71-78) that
one is within the operational range of is not allowed. Many contract
roadwork
Would you mind elaborating?
With the stream under a road (way) as tunnel and the default culvert;
The road over the top has either a node or way ford
Or
is the road/way flood_prone yes
Or
is the stream culvert section additionally ford yes
Tnx
On 23/2/22 19:08, Warin wrote:
Where these are
Finally got around to doing these changes. 10 ways were affected
The signs at Willow Tree and just out of Merriwa only say that there is
no access to the other town. I doesn't say where the actual closure is,
so I relied on my pre closure drive Mapillary imagery.
I vaguely remember that
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
- There are indeed numerous sources that say the road is closed, for
more than one year.
- To avoid routing yes I could pick a likely spot and make in Access:No
- Livetraffic also have a text view that is end points specific, so any
Google Maps issue are
MR358 or Coulsons Creek Road between Willow Tree and Merriwa NSW is
closed for repair of major slippage as it crosses the Liverpool Ranges.
"Livetraffic" (Traffic for NSW govt site) says not reopening until late
2023. A reference on that to a local govt site is devoid of any current
Note msg on their website
https://www.spatial.nsw.gov.au/
Basically anything DCS in the OSM ID map overlays died late Mon afternoon.
Also mentions holiday closure 27/12 to 10/1.
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Farm tracks too could be access=private.
While the well head can be a small area, the actual mining lease can
be large. The large area could be mapped with layer=-1,-2,-3,-4 or
-5. But what source are you going to use for the area?
My general workflow is more about driven road features
Would it be a fair statement to say that gas mining areas are all
private access?
eg. around Condamine Qld there are a lot of them that often co-exist
with farmland. Are the mining area leases "well area" only or cover a
wider area?
The concern is that with many service roads crossing
imagery
for the whole route as well. (Which I will use to fix site/name
buildings and businesses) Shout if you need any of these.
Cheers Bob
On 3/10/21 12:58 pm, Andrew Davidson wrote:
On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:46 PM Thorsten Engler via Talk-au
wrote:
I would assume that the lot boundaries
Wow, what a changeset!
Bing was 2010-2012. The Maxar Premium seems the most recent.
Whatever the case with the buildings, the roads tend to be used as
anchors for many features. I guess the opinion I am looking for is that
if a formal source can't be found/used, will my GPS run tomorrow (plus
I am currently near this nice quiet place and am leaving shortly.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-26.6176/144.2666
I note that there is a fairly large discrepancy between some of the
roads and the public GPS traces. The main E-W highway is also split, but
not in OSM. Imagery and GPS
there is the quite loud high frequency
sound and no road shoulder at the barrier.
Since they are becoming more and more common I'd like to see the
consensus placed in the Aus taglines wiki
Cheers
On 1/8/21 5:32 pm, Warin wrote:
On 31/7/21 8:59 am, Bob Cameron wrote:
Info only
barrier=fence
sensory
Info only
barrier=fence
sensory=audible
ie the squeaking screeching fences that supposedly replace cattle grids.
I asked for input some months ago on how to map.
With the recent ID editor update there is now a warning that a fence has
to be a line, even though it is placed on the road.
Task Manager (ctrl-alt-del and select) will show process/ram hogs. sort
by cpu usage then memory, grab the process name and search on it...
4GB may be a little light too.. If your hard drive flogs (swaps) a lot
that may be worth a look.
G'luck!
On 28/7/21 3:22 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
initiative. If they have a (changing) data base of these
locations It might be handy if they were also imported.
Tnx Bob
On 18/5/21 10:23 pm, Andrew Harvey via Talk-au wrote:
I'm working with the National Heavy Vehicle Regulator (NHVR) on a
proposal to import Vicmap addresses for Victori
Thanks all for your comments;
- Yes I am aware of multipath phase errors, HDOP and VDOP problems etc.
My imagery camera also has excessive averaging and interpolation, so I
not only upload its trace but also that from a separate roof mounted GPS
sender unit.
- Re old traces. I can "cheat" a
Just checking if this is an okay thing to do. ie moving a major road so
it is centred on GPS traces - assuming there enough data for accuracy
(eg bidirectional, multi trace etc)
The traces are probably more accurate than overhead imagery.
Other features placed relative to roads will also need
Woops
Sent the last rather than just saving the draft Pls ignore
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Hi Graeme
Admitting ashamedly that I like nothing better than my OSM mkgmap Garmin
GPS device come up with any overnight viable stopping place nearby..
This of course makes me biased, so I apologise for that...
On 22/4/21 11:05 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 at 18:46, Bob
I wanted to ask for ideas and discussion related to tourism:camp_site.
Noting that there is also a wiki on this;
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site
Some general things. (Much from my own experience)
- Do we need to be extensive in our data detail given that there are
it was horribly expensive, but one station owner had
recouped his expense (sheep not attacked) after about 18 months. The
audible/screamers sections on roads were very low cost in comparison.
Cheers
On 19/4/21 4:05 pm, Bob Cameron wrote:
Opinions/ideas please
On a substantial number of roads I
for a paved highway
might be removed, so I welcome the change.
Bob
On 31/1/21 3:13 pm, Little Maps wrote:
Hi folks, wondering if I can promote some discussion about the section
of the Aus tagging guidelines on adding surface tags on roads. The
text currently reads,
“For most types of highway
should cut the minor road short of the
highway, then add in a short section with a allowed access tag for
something?
Advice please.
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; roads. I
am guessing that I should cut the minor road short of the highway, then
add in a short section with a allowed access tag for something?
Advice please.
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For interest Ian. I am in that council area right now doing Mapillary
stuff as I travel. Heading roughly from Daysdale to Jerilderie via
Oakland on Monday if you'd like me to check anything! The current
imagery wont be uploaded for a month or so.
Bob
On 2/10/20 2:43 pm, Little Maps wrote
Cycleway crossing
At the risk of opening this discussion too far, here is the way I handle
exactly this situation.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=21/45.14100/-93.38143
Ignore any slight mis-alignment between aerial photos and the location of
the nodes and ways. I used Mapbox
It seems to me that having a relationship is absolutely appropriate and
that it should have the name of entire trail/route, just as you have done.
It also seems to me that having a name on individual segments (the local
name) is also appropriate. I don't think this is inconsistent and in fact,
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 17:19:57 -0700
> From: stevea
> To: Tod Fitch
> Cc: talk-us , Bob Gambrel
>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Streaming JOSM -- suggestions?
> Message-ID:
> Con
now just concentration on roads that I have been on
and taken notes about and have created and uploaded traces for.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:43 PM stevea wrote:
> Bob, thank you for asking.
>
> Good entry points for the history and what to do with TIGER data are
> https://wiki.osm
Streaming JOSM -- TIGER
I would like very much to know some guidelines about what to do with TIGER
data. I run across it all the time and think maybe I should leave some
indication that the data has been verified or changed or something. I just
don't know what I should do so leave the TIGER data
Paul's in depth answer of my question was very helpful. Luckily I am not
concentrating on road/highway routes. I like the concept of:
We should be moving forward towards
all routes being tagged in a route relation so we can phase out route
attributes on ways, freeing those up for *the way's
Paul Johnson says
Ultimately consider adding a route relation with network=US:NSFR:Forest
Name:FH/FR as well so we can finally kill off route tagging on things that
are not routes.
I am not doing any mapping for forest roads, but the above caught my eye. I
am doing a lot of bike path/trail
ld likely be passable
>>> with permission and the right vehicle.
>>>
>>> As for sections that cross [frozen] marshes, or other areas that aren't
>>> passable when the ground is thawed, I don't know. Maybe there is a use case
>>> for "highway=frozen&
Am newby to talk-us. This may have been discussed in the past but not handy
with searching archives yet.
In Minnesota I have seen snowmobile trails mapped in OSM as follows:
highway=track
snowmobile=designated
surface=unpaved
In both aerial photos and observation on the ground, there is almost
This is just a being inquisitive question.
Today I marked paved (was unpaved) route from Laggan to Taralga NSW
after I drove it. I note that the underlying map (LPI?) actually showed
the sections paved.
Am I correct in assuming that there as a first pass project that marked
paved roads from
discover these map errors. (Garmin doesn't display paved
vs not)
Bob
On 30/12/19 11:14 am, cleary wrote:
If you just delete the tag, someone might interpret it as an accidental
deletion. A changed tag is clearly a deliberate decision based on new
information.
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019, at 8
Hi
The tagging guidelines don't quite seem to over this. I'd like to do it
correctly.
When a road is unpaved we use the surface=unpaved tag, the default (no
tag) being paved.
When an unpaved road is (roadwork) paved, should the tag be deleted or
changed to paved?
Thanks
is small enough I usually try to cover most of it.
(eg Mendooran NSW - already available) Some major-ish dirt roads also
covered (like the west end of Gibb River Rd and Norseman-Hyden Rd WA.
The latter already available)
Cheers Bob
On 8/11/19 1:55 am, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au wrote:
Hi
Hi Phil
My old 1280x720 was setup for a rear quarter view for traffic sign
capture. I was advised that the angle and shutter raster delay (slant)
made detection problematic so I don't upload. I will however give it a
try at 90 degrees. It's a USB webcam
On 8/5/19 9:44 am, Phil Wyatt wrote:
Thanks Andrew
I capture at 2fps with a BlackVue (via 30fps mp4). That was
unfortunately a hard choice to do with the cost of the Internet
connection. 5fps would have been nicer. Road name signs are then
problematic not only from the framerate perspective, but that
compression artefacts glug
I posted a topic on this matter in OpenStreetMap Forum>Editors on the very same
day as this thread was started, by coincidence, and directed to this mailing
list by SomeoneElse. I received helpful replies and believe I have succeeded
in overcoming the slow responses we were experiencing as a
I wish to add my own pennies’ worth from a walker’s and mapper’s perspective on
three matters:
1. The portrayal of barriers: we know kissing gates are not rendered in OSM but
are rendered in Andy Townsend’s map. In neither case, though, do barriers
stand out strongly enough, in my opinion. I
Stuart
Choosing “East/North” tab from Tools>Add node and against “Projected
coordinates:” inputting full coordinates from the BNG origin, such as “474795
178597” (Eastings metres before Northings) works, so far as I see. Anyone
having 100-Kilometre two-letter grid references would need to use
I have got round to resetting the map projection in JOSM to EPSG:27700 (OSGB
1936 / British National Grid), finally. I am surprised to find northings
before eastings in the bottom left-hand corner of JOSM, when we reference BNG
positions eastings before northings. I wonder if this has
I thank Roland so much for taking the time to read my message and provide
examples; I am indebted to him.
Might I request just one enhancement: could the barrier locations be shown on
the ways to which they relate in the case of > 1. to identify PRoWs having
stiles? I fully accept I did not
Andy
I thank you for your prompt reply; that is useful to know and I shall bookmark
your link. It is pleasing to see my PRoW references being put to good use
alongside the ways, too.
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I wonder why kissing gates are not rendered in OpenStreetMap – certainly in the
Standard version? Their installation in place of stiles in my part of South
Oxfordshire is increasing apace thanks to the work of the Chiltern Society.
Are they a particularly GB or UK phenomenon and, as such, not
I record all barriers - gate, kissing gate and stile - as I walk every PRoW
(Public Right of Way) in the Oxfordshire Chilterns parish by parish. I add
them and prow_ref values in the form of "Checkendonh FP 12", for example, to
OSM. I discovered three cases on my walk in Ipsden last week
I record all barriers - gate, kissing gate and stile - as I walk every PRoW
(Public Right of Way) in the Oxfordshire Chilterns parish by parish. I add
them and prow_ref values in the form of "Checkendonh FP 12", for example, to
OSM. I discovered three cases on my walk in Ipsden last week
I return to this thread because there is something I do not understand. I wish
not to make an error undertaking the change I plan. I queried
‘ref:chiltern_society=* within South Oxfordshire in Overpass Turbo and exported
the result to JOSM. Selecting all, and viewing the results I see in
I apologise to everyone for making a mess of this thread’s title and replying
twice with the same content. I shall give myself one hundred lines (for those
who remember the punishment)!
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both official and
unofficial ways to be shown in appropriate circumstances (I appreciate not all
will be appropriate).
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unofficial ways to be shown in appropriate circumstances (I appreciate not all
will be appropriate).
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Byways, as in this
case, where I judge that tag to be inappropriate, to say the least.
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David
I should have made it clearer: the two signs of which I wrote are one above the
other at the start of the one Restricted Byway – that, perhaps, is the
complication.
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with the same
attitude as for footpath 37.
With regards
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, often. The Way is 25506222.
With regards
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I am most grateful for your immediate and constructive reply.
I am used to Overpass Turbo and think it is a brilliant resource but lack the
knowledge to construct any but the simplest queries. I understand what you
write about bulk uploading. I am confident that few, if any, entries will
I discovered to my dismay yesterday while I was adding/updating Public Rights
of Way in JOSM that I have been using a mix of initial upper case and lower
case alone for a key I created: ref:Chiltern_Society and ref:chiltern_society.
I have tried searches that will select Chiltern_Society, say,
by a
semi-colon?
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I must not have made clear the situation: the bridleway is coincident with the
borders of two parishes, carrying a route code for each parish, not a way
crossing parish boundaries.
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I thank you for your reply. I should be interested in further comments on
prow_ref=Checkendon BR 28;Stoke Row BR 15.
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I have discovered a situation in South Oxfordshire where a single bridleway has
two route codes: 160/28/* and 368/15/*. The Definitive Statement Remarks read,
“Also numbered BR 15 in Stoke Row” for Checkendon parish and “Also numbered BR
28 in Checkendon” for Stoke Row parish, which is borne
I use Locus Map with offline OSM data loaded on my Android ‘phone when walking.
The one feature lacking for checking PRoWs in the field, for example, is the
capacity to view OSM tags. I am aware of Vespucci that will allow the
immediate area to be downloaded and referenced, with which I have
Though it doesn't necessarily mean much osm is now over 3 million registered
users and has 40,000 contributers last month
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Openstreetmap on top
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/2GtqdnR8RsttBv2jqR8kPzY/7-ways-to-volunteer-from-your-desk
cheers
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I saw this
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software might be
adversely affected by its absence.
I thank you for your constructive input.
With regards
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lists!). The boundaries seem to be
just what I was looking for. I should make clear: my use of The Chilterns AONB
boundary is for my purpose only to assist the delineation of my area of
interest.
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have searched the internet
and cannot find such a file to download. I communicated with Lucy Murfett,
Planning Officer at Chilterns Conservation Board and received this reply:
Dear Bob,
Thanks for your message and great that you are able to give your time to
improving this map resource. I am
Anyone interested in State of the map Scotland 2015 please meet at the
guildford arms from 7pm
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Edinburgh#Social_Events
all the best bob
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