Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-14 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 13/05/2019 19:01, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 11:49, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: If Philip really wants a router to tell him where the nearest shelter (surely you can just look around you), You're joking?! No, I'm not. Another reason PT has got itself into such a mess

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
If separate signs.poles - double nodes if single sign/poles - two tags on one node DaveF On 13/05/2019 16:02, Johnparis wrote: If a platform is multimodal, highway=bus_stop fails, because the same node requires (for example) railway=tram_stop ___

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 13/05/2019 16:36, Johnparis wrote: the bus stop (platform) node allows for shelter=yes/no and bench=yes/no, so it's not really necessary to separately map them and/or group them into the stop area. If you've the time, map them separately  - it makes the database more accurate, but I still

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
I think this highlights another PT schema problem - expecting too much from a routing engine. On 13/05/2019 16:29, Philip Barnes wrote: I do, but there tend to be lots of bus stops and sometimes I want it to choose the one with the shelter if its only a short extra walk. Phil (trigpoint)

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 13/05/2019 16:14, Johnparis wrote: I don't have any particular problem with mapping an area (closed way) or a way (line segment) as a platform, Please, please only map a platform /if/ it's a physical structure. Imaginary meta-objects  don't work in OSM DaveF

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 13/05/2019 16:14, Philip Barnes wrote: I can see that when its raining I may want the router to direct me to a stop with a shelter rather than stand in the rain. Surely you need to be given the bus stop which will take you to your destination? That /is/ the point of a router. DaveF

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 13/05/2019 07:36, Tijmen Stam wrote: On 13-05-19 00:14, Jo wrote: I like to keep things simple, the best way to accomplish that, is by having a single object for each stop that holds all the details for its "lifetime". That's why I don't like the idea of 'upgrading from a node to a

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 12/05/2019 23:14, Jo wrote: About the stop_area relations, they're not needed everywhere, but they could be used to show what belongs together. Of course, that would mean all the objects related to the stop at one side of the street, not both sides. Why items "belong together"? Does a

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 12/05/2019 19:55, Tijmen Stam wrote: . No, changing of tagging, not replication. There is no need to map with highway=bus_stop anymore (save for rendering on osm_carto) No. highway=bus_stop is fully relevant as the day it was first used. It's simple, clear, comprehensible meaning far out

[Talk-transit] "more then one platform in one location"

2019-05-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
Hi On the railway=platform wiki page there's a comment: "If there are more then one platform in one location, a relation could be used to "bind" them together. See Approved Public Transport Schema for more information."

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-12 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
For reasons I've already stated I disagree with everything in this post, but this epitomises why the public transport schema concept was a complete cock-up: I think it is suitable to go the way of unifying it as much as possible under the p_t-umbrella. * It wasn't to enable routers to

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycling Infrastructure Database

2019-05-10 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
This looks very interesting, well worth investigating, but could any comments be posted here please -  We get notifications, they're recorded & date sorted. I've yet to see a wiki discussion that doesn't become incoherent after a dozen posts. . DaveF On 10/05/2019 17:03, Jez Nicholson wrote:

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-09 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 08/05/2019 20:56, Tijmen Stam wrote: I never understood the whole railway=platform discussion. IHMO hw=bus_stop, hw=platform and rw=platform should die, and all be replaced by public_transport=platform You fail to say why. I have updated entire public transport concessions with almost

Re: [Talk-GB] How to tag this?

2019-05-08 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
if it's used for advertising look up that in the wiki. For the actual structure: disused:amenity=telephone covered=booth booth=K6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_telephone_box On 08/05/2019 12:27, Martin Wynne wrote: How should I tag this? It's a former phone box in use to advertise the

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 07/05/2019 14:38, David Woolley wrote: On 07/05/2019 13:30, Martin Wynne wrote: This idea of primary and secondary tags is new to me. There is no such distinction in the iD editor -- all applied tags are simply listed in alphabetical order. Things like name, height, and colour are

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
2019-05-06 at 13:53 -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote: On 2019-05-03 12:09, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: On 30/04/2019 18:34, Stephen Sprunk wrote: A platform is where people wait to board; if they stand at a pole (typical for buses), then the pole is logically the platform. This reinforces my p

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 06/05/2019 19:53, Stephen Sprunk wrote: On 2019-05-03 12:09, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: This reinforces my point about misappropriation of tags. A platform is a physical construction higher than the surrounding ground to allow easier boarding. It's a logical platform whether

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 07/05/2019 12:40, Martin Wynne wrote: Are we trying to create a legal reference document? Or a description of what a visitor would see on the ground? From OSM's main welcome page: "OpenStreetMap is a place for mapping things that are both /real and current"

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/112368662 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 07/05/2019 12:17, Martin Wynne wrote: On 07/05/2019 11:34, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Your OSM example look fine to me - a single property is still where people reside. Any other details, such as garden, should be mapped individually within that area. Thanks Dave. But in that case, why

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Your OSM example look fine to me - a single property is still where people reside. Any other details, such as garden, should be mapped individually within that area. The mistake early in OSM's life was to use this tag to indicate a village/town/city as a whole, with a blanket polygon covering

Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?

2019-05-05 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Given the small width of the ditch, I wouldn't bother with the separate way, but just put the ford & handrail tags on the intersecting node. The way you've mapped it the ford & handrail are 5 metres in length. On 05/05/2019 17:19, Martin Wynne wrote: Got a Link? If you're mapping linear

Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?

2019-05-05 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 05/05/2019 15:52, Martin Wynne wrote: n.b. the iD editor is now showing this as an error: "Stream crosses foot path", even though tagged as a ford. Got a Link? If you're mapping linear ways a node at their intersection with ford=yes is required.

Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?

2019-05-05 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi I'm not convinced it's a bridge. There's no clear evidence of a raised footway. A piece of wood dropped in the stream, is probably just a piece of wood dropped in the stream. I've two similar examples close to me; one wood the other a cast iron frame. They're for the user to steady

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 04/05/2019 19:15, john whelan wrote: Unfortunately people make notes often on paper. So someone leading a mapping group will refer to their notes when repeating the exercise. Finding those notes and correcting them is not easy. Experience is what you get when you don't get what you

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 04/05/2019 16:01, John Whelan wrote: So can the proposal build on existing highway=bus_stop? I've yet to hear a reason why. On reason for this is a number of cites have imported their bus stops from Open Data which ensures completeness.  ie all the bus stops in the city are present and

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-03 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
cussion), Johan Wiklund Entur -Original Message- From: Dave F via Talk-transit Sent: fredag 3. mai 2019 19.09 To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics ; selfishseaho...@gmail.com Cc: Dave F Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-04-30 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 28/04/2019 17:13, DC Viennablog wrote: ...But in my opinion, as it stands, for bus or tram stops, these relations do not make that much sense. As any software should be able to find those connections between stops with the same name, the stop areas are quite redundent. Agreed Using a

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-04-30 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 29/04/2019 16:22, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Stop areas are supposed to link stop positions to platforms, so a router knows which platform you need to take a route that only stops on a particular track.  In most cases, this can be inferred by proximity, but in some it can't, particularly at

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-04-30 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
On 29/04/2019 19:39, Markus wrote: On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 17:18, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Part of what seems to have started the PTv2 mess is that bus stops were sometimes mapped on the way and sometimes beside the way, and both cases were tagged the same. PTv2 tried to separate those into

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-04-28 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
Hello General points: Are Stop_Areas required? What are they for? Are they in use?/Who uses them?/Will they ever be used?* If there is a purpose for them, what should they consist of? I've seen shops, bike racks, litter bins included. Surely they're irrelevant? Remove

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Dave F via talk
Was this new/improvement additions or bug/maintenance fix? DaveF On 22/04/2019 11:37, Simon Poole wrote: The last functional addition to the editing API was just over a year ago, in March 2018. Implying for rhetorical purposes that "nothing has changed" is rather disingenuous. Simon Am

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping a combined stile and gate?

2019-04-22 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 22/04/2019 15:34, Roger Calvert wrote: The Lake District National Park instructions to footpath surveyors recommends: "Where there are two items of furniture for the same crossing (for example, a gate and a stile alongside each other), then it is the one highest up the hierarchy .. or the

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping a combined stile and gate?

2019-04-22 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
If I have the patience, I split them: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.40349/-2.44502 The PROW ref should go over the stile's way even if the gate is always open - it's up the walker to decide which to use (even if the choice is obvious) DaveF On 22/04/2019 13:43, Martin Wynne

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of amenity=university within the University of Cambridge

2019-04-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
I'm so glad this has been resurrected again. It's not only the tag mentioned, but others including leisure=pitch to represent recreation grounds. The university area requires amending to fit within accepted & agreed tagging rules. DaveF On 07/04/2019 12:28, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC: Solar panel mapping in the UK

2019-04-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 03/04/2019 17:23, Dan S wrote: * The tagging is already pretty well-defined. This would be a great project, however I think there's some confusion in the tagging which requires agreeing/clarifying. Most solar rural solar farms are on arable land. There's usually a boundary fence around

Re: [Talk-GB] Removal of redundant NaPTAN data

2019-04-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
When I come across them I always delete them. To map them as polygons was nonsense. A few years ago the person who added them confessed he couldn't remember why he'd done it. If there is a desire to to be added they should be on the bus stops, similar to the fare_zones I recently added to

Re: [Talk-GB] Press opportunity

2019-03-31 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Is that the royal 'we'? DaveF On 31/03/2019 12:59, Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi all, We have been approached by the press (national newspaper/online). They are wanting to write an article in their weekend magazine on OSM as part of a series on "hidden work that makes the internet thrive". They

[OSM-talk] Fantasy mapper returns

2019-03-27 Thread Dave F via talk
Hi Back in Sept. '18 I posted about a fake mapper https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2018-September/081426.html He's just returned to repeat one of edits: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/37764297#map=16/51.3711/-2.3623 Could a block be put on him before he causes more disruption

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of osmarender:nameDirection - blatant tagging for the renderer

2019-03-20 Thread Dave F via talk
I'd say almost certainly, yes. Do you have any specific tags in mind? DaveF On 17/03/2019 21:27, Andrew Hain wrote: Is it worth mechanically removing any of the existing discardable tags from the database as well? -- Andrew From: Dave F via talk Sent: 17

Re: [OSM-talk] DJI Fly SafeGEO ZONE MAP uses OSM data... without attribution

2019-03-18 Thread Dave F via talk
that they imported from OSM. Example: DJI site: https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/3bf47bbf-ccba-48a1-84a9-4493c1271f64.png OSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/38.69295/-9.29326=N Exactly the same polygon Às 23:15 de 18/03/2019, Dave F escreveu: I'm afraid I'm going

Re: [OSM-talk] DJI Fly SafeGEO ZONE MAP uses OSM data... without attribution

2019-03-18 Thread Dave F via talk
, Dave F escreveu: I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree - OSM is far more detailed & accurate in my locale. DaveF On 18/03/2019 22:51, Nuno Caldeira wrote: Was curious where DJI managed to get a worldwide DB of polygons of military facilities and points of prisons, triple checked with a co

Re: [OSM-talk] DJI Fly SafeGEO ZONE MAP uses OSM data... without attribution

2019-03-18 Thread Dave F via talk
I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree - OSM is far more detailed & accurate in my locale. DaveF On 18/03/2019 22:51, Nuno Caldeira wrote: Was curious where DJI managed to get a worldwide DB of polygons of military facilities and points of prisons, triple checked with a couple of other

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of osmarender:nameDirection - blatant tagging for the renderer

2019-03-17 Thread Dave F via talk
Mateusz There's also a few osmarender:renderName in the UK. Maybe check osmarender:* to collate all? Simon Never comprehended the reluctance to remove dead items. Does stepping the version /really/ cause any harm? Contributors, especially newbies, often copy tags from existing examples with

Re: [Talk-GB] Common Land has stopped rendering

2019-03-16 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/commit/4df96c4e4927c Plus a discussion in Tagging 05/03 Unsure if this is a step forward. If it's being "misused", the common tags should be amended to accurately represent the areas, not deprecate the render. Seems like the tail wagging the

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-15 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
? DaveF On 15/03/2019 11:05, David Woolley wrote: On 15/03/2019 01:24, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: AFAIA, neither tag had any impied permissions or condition attributes. They do, and they are country specific. <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ta

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-14 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
th would be marked 'depreciated'. On 15/03/19 00:24, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Hi Nothing except the fact people walk along a way is implied by path or footway. The legality or ability to use it is defined with sub/adjective tags, such as width. The path tag is actively being discouraged

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-14 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi Nothing except the fact people walk along a way is implied by path or footway. The legality or ability to use it is defined with sub/adjective tags, such as width. The path tag is actively being discouraged. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/20333 OSM-Carto rendering

Re: [Talk-GB] Lake District NationalPark

2019-03-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 13/03/2019 21:28, Paul Berry wrote: Relation looks OK to me but I can't see the name at any zoom level: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/287917 Yes, it takes a long time to fully render. it must be quite low down in OSM-Carto's hierarchy, & depending on a national_park's size &

Re: [OSM-talk] How to save Overpass query results to a GeoJSON file with Python?

2019-03-11 Thread Dave F via talk
Maybe adapt this answer: https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/115733/converting-json-to-geojson-or-csv/115736#115736 On 11/03/2019 20:00, Dave F via talk wrote: On 11/03/2019 17:54, Carlos Cámara Menoyo wrote: Thank you for the clarification, Matheus and for the link, Dave (I am afraid

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-11 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 10/03/2019 23:45, Martin Wynne wrote: There's clearly no evidence of 4 wheeled vehicles, so it should be marked as a bridleway, but It's advisable to check the whole length as sections can be used by vehicles such as agricultural ones to get between adjacent fields. It's a public

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-11 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
highway=bridleway was, I believe, conceived to be used as a shortcut tag for the below, but if the way is a track, they should be included. DaveF On 11/03/2019 08:49, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Access tags for a bridleway in the UK or in my experience England and Wales should be

Re: [OSM-talk] How to save Overpass query results to a GeoJSON file with Python?

2019-03-11 Thread Dave F via talk
On 11/03/2019 17:54, Carlos Cámara Menoyo wrote: Thank you for the clarification, Matheus and for the link, Dave (I am afraid that's not what I was looking for, as it still requires to download data on osm format). You can run the api from a command line or script (such as python). Paste

Re: [OSM-talk] How to save Overpass query results to a GeoJSON file with Python?

2019-03-11 Thread Dave F via talk
Unsure, but would OSMtoGeojson be of use? https://github.com/tyrasd/osmtogeojson DaveF On 11/03/2019 10:18, Carlos Cámara Menoyo via talk wrote: Dear colleagues, I have just started to use Python and I would like to make a query to Overpass and store the results in a geospatial format (e.g.

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-10 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 10/03/2019 23:19, Warin wrote: Is there evidence of bridleway use? The title of the thread is "Bridleway *or* track?" but It's advisable to check the whole length as sections can be used by vehicles such as agricultural ones to get between adjacent fields. Then the sections will have

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-10 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 10/03/2019 22:37, Martin Wynne wrote: Thanks for the comments. I'm surprised some folks can be so dogmatic, A surprising comment considering on your 'rarity' claim. Changing the subject a little, is it still a track if wide enough for a vehicle, but the landowner has physically blocked

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-10 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
This is the full list of name=Argos, shop=* Catalogue by far the most popular, but I wondering if there any specialised Argos outlets selling just furniture or electrical? catalogue,152 department_store,90 ,60 yes,55 variety_store,39 general,21 supermarket,8 gift,5 convenience,4 houseware,4

Re: [OSM-talk] KeepRight might do that already | Re: HTTPS all the Things (Automated Edit)

2019-03-08 Thread Dave F via talk
Keepright returns far too many false positives (in the UK) to be useful. I'm not an expert, but it seems the further (ie another country) you are away from the server storing the website the less likely Keepright will find it. It makes me wonder if Bryce's script, running from the US, will

Re: [Talk-GB] Fw: Road name contradictions in the UK

2019-03-08 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 08/03/2019 10:15, Andy Townsend wrote: OS Locator is/was a good source of those missing names, as shown in "Musical Chairs" here: There's also: http://product.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/ Although don't be deceived by the 'Last Updated' date - It's not being updated. When I

Re: [Talk-GB] How to map new housing?

2019-03-08 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi Welcome to OSM. Mapping new developments is trickier without aerial imagery, but there's quite a bit you can do to make it more accurate than guesswork. * if you're mapping the roads use the GPS to walk down their centre, if it's safe to do so, of course) * Takes *lots* of photos.

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-03 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 03/03/2019 22:54, Warin wrote: If a field is used for a helicopter landing .. should you tag it as a heliport? If a one off, no, but if occasional then Helipad is appropriate in that case. My answer is - what is it regularly used for and is suitable for that use? Not what it could be

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-03 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
I use evidence on the ground - is it wide enough for any type of four wheel vehicle & are there signs of wheel tracks. I would disagree that bridleways only wide enough for a horse are rare. If a track is designated as a public_bridleway by signage or definitive statement then there is right

Re: [Talk-GB] BT phoneboxes

2019-02-25 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi disused:amenity=telephone Many that have already been decommissioned are being reused: Filled with flowers: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5281048654. Tagged similar to above for emergency=defibrillator & amenity=public_bookcase Cheers DaveF On 25/02/2019 09:47, Jez Nicholson

Re: [Talk-GB] Know any nonprofits that have relocated from UK to elsewhere?

2019-02-20 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Would you care to state the reasons? On 20/02/2019 19:43, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, even before the whole Brexit brouhaha, the OSMF occasionally thought about perhaps moving the organisation elsewhere (most likely to another EU country but all options are open in theory). Brexit might give us

Re: [Talk-GB] Notes (Was: We're missing changes...)

2019-02-11 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
s teaching users how to use OSM software. Cheers DaveF On 11/02/2019 15:14, ael via Talk-GB wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 02:40:23PM +, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: I think we should be encouraging those who add notes to contribute directly to the do-ocracy that is OSM. Quite a few notes tak

Re: [Talk-GB] Notes (Was: We're missing changes...)

2019-02-11 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
I think we should be encouraging those who add notes to contribute directly to the do-ocracy that is OSM. Quite a few notes take longer to type than actually editing the problem they are highlighting. If anybody (even anonymously) can add notes then users should be able to delete notes to

Re: [Talk-GB] We're missing changes to M1 Junction 36 which have apparently been in place for a year.

2019-02-11 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 11/02/2019 11:06, Paul Berry wrote: OK, I'll give that a try this week and see how the GPS traces come out. Drive around it a few times, if possible. GPS isn't the most accurate when taking tight bends/roundabouts. Having multiple traces provides a more accurate average. Do you have a

Re: [Talk-GB] Possible Unattributed Map on Labrokes Website

2019-02-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 07/02/2019 20:52, Chris Hill wrote: On 07/02/2019 18:25, Philip Barnes wrote: On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 17:59 +, talk...@manet-computer.co.uk wrote: Hi All, Not sure if this is the right place to ask but is there anyone who can look at https://thegrid.ladbrokes.com/en/shoplocator to

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging one way at certain times of day

2019-01-17 Thread Dave F
As you say, it's bidirectional, so I don't think the oneway tag is appropriate. It's hierarchically superior to any conditional tags. A direction tag is required. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions#Direction Unable to locate it, but I believe there was a recent

Re: [Talk-GB] [SUSPECT] I have a philosophical question...

2019-01-13 Thread Dave F
The aim of OSM is to map the physical world. As long as it's physical & static, you can map it. Add whatever interests you. Remember there are numerous renderings of the OSM database concentrating on different, specific subjects. If you wish to concentrate on one specific aspect, you may wish

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Dave F
On 06/01/2019 19:52, Michael Booth wrote: Replying to this message as for some reason Dave's emails never come through to my inbox. I agree these should be updated to the new tag, but not simply with a automated edit - it would be much better to check each individual instance first before

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Dave F
On 06/01/2019 16:44, Martin Wynne wrote: For example I have just been updating a local ford well-known to me, over the River Rea at Neen Savage:  https://goo.gl/maps/NetZQD1UVfE2  https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.39462/-2.47891 That section of the river is mapped as an area, so I

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Dave F
On 06/01/2019 15:50, Edward Catmur wrote: It would seem a bit much to map the ford as an area unless both the river and the highway away from the ford are mapped as areas. For the same reason I wouldn't usually map a ford as a way unless the river is mapped as an area. Apropos of not much,

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Dave F
On 06/01/2019 09:32, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 1/5/19 9:49 PM, Dave F wrote: I'm about to do a GB wide edit changing highway=ford (545) to ford=yes (4814). I know a few contributors like to get upset about wide area edits, even when they been discussed, so I thought I'd give you a heads up

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Dave F
, Dave F wrote: Hi I'm about to do a GB wide edit changing highway=ford (545) to ford=yes (4814). I know a few contributors like to get upset about wide area edits, even when they been discussed, so I thought I'd give you a heads up. ___ Talk-GB mailing

[Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-05 Thread Dave F
Hi I'm about to do a GB wide edit changing highway=ford (545) to ford=yes (4814). I know a few contributors like to get upset about wide area edits, even when they been discussed, so I thought I'd give you a heads up. Please read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=ford for the

[Talk-GB] Two Forest of Bowland AONBs

2019-01-01 Thread Dave F
Whilst checking boundary=national_park tags I cam across two 'Forest of Bowland' AONBs http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ESx From internet checks the orange relation appears to be the correct one. Does the other blue area represent anything significant? It started life as natural=fell so I'm

[Talk-GB] Railway: 'The Chiltern Line' North West London

2018-12-26 Thread Dave F
Hi I've been tidying up London underground stations & Lines. I came across a section used as the Metropolitan Line but labelled as name=Chiltern Line. Coloured red: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ELp  I'm aware Chiltern Railways run services on that shared line, but is 'Chiltern Line' an

Re: [Talk-GB] Cotswolds AONB

2018-12-06 Thread Dave F
Hi This should help you: http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeMap?relationId=166570 DaveF On 06/12/2018 12:52, Brian Prangle wrote: Hi All I think this relation must be broken -it's disappeared from the main rendered map.There's over  a 1000 members - anyone like to have a go at repairing it?

Re: [Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps

2018-11-30 Thread Dave F
On 30/11/2018 12:07, Philip Barnes wrote: On 30 November 2018 11:49:08 GMT, Dave F wrote: On 30/11/2018 11:09, Philip Barnes wrote: It is worth remembering that the PROWs shown on OS maps is an overlay provided by the highway authority. They're surveyed by local authorities (paid

Re: [Talk-GB] Using data from OS maps

2018-11-30 Thread Dave F
On 30/11/2018 11:09, Philip Barnes wrote: It is worth remembering that the PROWs shown on OS maps is an overlay provided by the highway authority. They're surveyed by local authorities (paid for by us), who then compile the data into the definitive statement. This can be issued by them

Re: [Talk-GB] Waylens camera and OpenStreetCam

2018-11-22 Thread Dave F
Sorry, just realised it's not the 360, but does the Waylens have wide angle settings? I've found that acquiring much info, such as shop names, require it. DaveF On 22/11/2018 14:15, Dave F wrote: Hi Jez What settings did you use? The images appear to be a quite narrow field of view

Re: [Talk-GB] Waylens camera and OpenStreetCam

2018-11-22 Thread Dave F
Hi Jez What settings did you use? The images appear to be a quite narrow field of view for a 360 camera. Do you have examples of wide angle? Cheers DaveF On 22/11/2018 13:53, Jez Nicholson wrote: I've been trying out the new Waylens camera on loan from OSMUK https://osmuk.org/camera-rental/ 

Re: [Talk-GB] Guildford Blackwell Farm redevelopment

2018-11-21 Thread Dave F
Reverted. On 20/11/2018 18:49, Dave F wrote: Hi Is their anyone in the Guildford  area who can verify these edits by a new user please? They look like a part of the town's planned expansion, but I'm assuming Adam got a bit ahead of himself. He's also overlapped roads onto the railway. I've

[Talk-GB] Guildford Blackwell Farm redevelopment

2018-11-20 Thread Dave F
Hi Is their anyone in the Guildford  area who can verify these edits by a new user please? They look like a part of the town's planned expansion, but I'm assuming Adam got a bit ahead of himself. He's also overlapped roads onto the railway. I've put in a changeset message to him.

Re: [Talk-GB] Spam GPS traces

2018-11-14 Thread Dave F
Looks fine to me https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/57.1752/-2.1234=G A cock-up in JOSM? Report it to them. On 14/11/2018 17:09, Silent Spike wrote: Hi folks, I'm editing this area (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/57.17591/-2.12320) in JOSM and the GPS data in the area contains

Re: [OSM-talk] How to get an overview of multiple gpx on OSM map?

2018-11-06 Thread Dave F
Hi There are lots of sites giving advice on GPS usage, but one I tip I found useful was always keep a charged battery in your unit. Even though it's switched off it still receives the occasional signal from satellites to keep track of their locations. if it loses coordination with them it can

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Short ways added to substitute barriers

2018-10-29 Thread Dave F
Hi I've had similar in my area, also by Amazon Logistics *, where they added a short section around a gate like one you've indicated with access=private. I removed it as you can drive right up to the gate. This is tagging incorrectly for the router.  It's the gate which is the restriction.

Re: [Talk-GB] Facebook Map Query - Thames rendered as Thanames

2018-10-26 Thread Dave F
I'd be more concerned that on Facebook's mobile website (Android/Silk Browser) that image clicks through to Google Maps. Cheers DaveF On 26/10/2018 01:44, Steve Doerr wrote: A user on the Facebook group 'UK Places Editors' has commented on the fact that some maps on Facebook pages in the

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM on BBC4's 'Magic Numbers'

2018-10-12 Thread Dave F
I noticed that, but only on her phone. The graphic afterwards used to explain relative locations was something else. On 12/10/2018 20:30, jc...@mail.com wrote: OpenStreetMap was credited at the end of episode one from the documentary series 'Magic Numbers: Hannah Fry's Mysterious World of

[Talk-GB] Ban on putting Shetland in a box on maps*

2018-10-04 Thread Dave F
If you're working for a Scottish public authority & producing static maps, best be aware: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45733111 *There is a cop out clause. Cheers DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Really heavy browser load with Overpass-turbo map display

2018-10-03 Thread Dave F
didn't find anything relative to this problem on Leaflet github All the best François Le dim. 23 sept. 2018 à 21:13, Dave F <mailto:davefoxfa...@btinternet.com>> a écrit : It appears it maybe Leaflet &/or Firefox related. Reports are it doesn't occur in Chrome/IE. If

Re: [OSM-talk] OEM Wiki is still slow to load

2018-10-03 Thread Dave F
Hmm.. What browser are you using? I'm pretty sure the last Firefox upgrade (v62.0) didn't coincide with the problem. I've since regressed back to Firefox v60.0 (August release) to prevent another problem (Overpass/Leaflet) from occurring but the wiki is still slow. Also IE v10. I'm using

[OSM-talk] OEM Wiki is still slow to load

2018-10-03 Thread Dave F
Hi For the couple of weeks OSM Wiki pages are quite slow to load. Is it coincidence it was at the same time OSM Wikibase was implemented? Are there any plans to rectify the situation? Cheers DaveF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Really heavy browser load with Overpass-turbo map display

2018-09-24 Thread Dave F
is the same & 61.0 works OK & is only 2 months old. Personally I wouldn't rely on browser security. I didn't find anything relative to this problem on Leaflet github All the best François Le dim. 23 sept. 2018 à 21:13, Dave F <mailto:davefoxfa...@btinternet.com>> a écrit :

Re: [OSM-talk] Does this Antarctic airfield exist?

2018-09-23 Thread Dave F
The ones in Bath I can easily do as most changesets are repetitions on the same objects. The Antarctic one is just a single edit also. DaveF On 23/09/2018 20:13, Andy Townsend wrote: On 23/09/18 19:59, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Sunday 23 September 2018, Dave F wrote: Ever heard

Re: [OSM-talk] Really heavy browser load with Overpass-turbo map display

2018-09-23 Thread Dave F
It appears it maybe Leaflet &/or Firefox related. Reports are it doesn't occur in Chrome/IE. If your turn off Firefox auto updates & install an older version (I used v60.0 from FileHippo) it prevents it. Cheers DaveF On 23/09/2018 17:41, François Lacombe wrote: HI all, It's been a few

[OSM-talk] Does this Antarctic airfield exist?

2018-09-23 Thread Dave F
Hi Ever heard of this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62799981 Given the new user's other fantasy edits in my home city, I suspect this is similar, but I thought I'd check first, even though I could find no other online evidence of it. Cheers DaveF

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-09-23 Thread Dave F
On 22/09/2018 14:46, Martin Wynne wrote: Great. Let them consider themselves so. It has little to do with OSM & nothing to do with this specific subject. OSM mappers spend many hours of their free time adding stuff to OSM because it interests them and in the hope that others may find it

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-23 Thread Dave F
Hi If I type 'bridge' into the wiki search & press return it loads the Key:bridge However if I type it & select the top response in the popdown it takes me to Q103, which AFAICS is of no help to anyone, least of all newcomers who are most likely to use the wiki. 1) Why the difference in

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