Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On 2013-08-26 15:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/8/26 Maarten Deen On 2013-08-26 14:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: tracks are a type of road set up for agricultural (i.e. local traffic of who works in the fields or forests or goes fishing) traffic. How do you know that without any signs n

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

2013/8/26 Lester Caine > This was part of the discussion on tracks and paths at the time. > AFAIK that distinction was always made by width (or width for the access-points, e.g. if they are blocked by boulders you won't be able to go there by car anyway) > My own reason for wanting to distin

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

2013/8/26 Maarten Deen > On 2013-08-26 14:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > tracks are a type of road set up for agricultural >> (i.e. local traffic of who works in the fields or forests or goes >> fishing) traffic. >> > > How do you know that without any signs next to the road? the relevant

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: But I think this direction of discussion misses the point. The point was how to classify certain types of roads (unpaved connection and residential roads). tracks are a type of road set up for agricultural (i.e. local traffic of who works in the fields or forests or goe

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On 2013-08-26 14:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: tracks are a type of road set up for agricultural (i.e. local traffic of who works in the fields or forests or goes fishing) traffic. How do you know that without any signs next to the road? Maarten _

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

2013/8/26 Pieren > A highway=track + tracktype=grade1 can be > safely used by normal cars. > technically yes, legally it depends > Perhaps in Germany, all tracks have limited access. > no, it depends on the area. In some regions it is true (AFAIK only in Baden-Württemberg = BaWü) > But

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Pieren wrote: Perhaps in Germany, all tracks have limited access. But they all have traffic signs indicating the restriction(s). If the tag "access" is missing, we cannot assume that the mapper forgot the restriction ! What is true in Germany can be wrong in many other countries. Excepted if we a

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> I don't think agricultural use is necessary for track. > but the wiki does (for years if not since ever). Or alternatively similar > uses (forestry, fishing). The wiki also admits that tracks can be paved which is unnecesary for ag

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 02:05:51AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: > No footpaths, lights, tarmac or road markings but freely available to drive > along. I have been to African countrys where even primarys dont have lights, tarmac or road markings - still they are primary roads, officially on the maps

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2013/8/25 Greg Troxel > I don't think agricultural use is necessary for track. but the wiki does (for years if not since ever). Or alternatively similar uses (forestry, fishing). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://li

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

"John F. Eldredge" writes: > So, how would you classify a one-lane "road" leading through a former > field, now overgrown with 30 years or so of bushes and saplings, > leading to a billboard adjoining a motorway? The only improvements the > "road" receives is to be mowed periodically to keep it

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Pieren writes: > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > >> BTW osrm.at is helping in this campaign, because it doesn't route through >> tracks > > BTW I just discover that some people are tagging for routing (after > "tagging for the renderer"). They add "access=yes" or > "moto

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Janko Mihelić writes: > Track is used more and more for unpaved roads. Mapnik and other renderers > are probably a big reason, because they don't render > Surfaceand > Smoothness tags. I > really don'

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Il giorno 24/ago/2013, alle ore 16:04, "John F. Eldredge" ha scritto: > So, how would you classify a one-lane "road" leading through a former field, > now overgrown with 30 years or so of bushes and saplings, leading to a > billboard adjoining a motorway? service cheers, Martin __

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

So, how would you classify a one-lane "road" leading through a former field, now overgrown with 30 years or so of bushes and saplings, leading to a billboard adjoining a motorway? The only improvements the "road" receives is to be mowed periodically to keep it passable, and its only use is by cr

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Il giorno 24/ago/2013, alle ore 15:11, colliar ha scritto: > Sorry, but how do you get the hint that it is a track and not an > unclassified highway and you are not allowed to use it without sign ? yes, this remains a miracle for me as well, but it seems to be the legal situation. Fortunate

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Am 24.08.2013 01:42, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > Il giorno 23/ago/2013, alle ore 16:52, Pieren ha scritto: > >> BTW I just discover that some people are tagging for routing (after >> "tagging for the renderer"). They add "access=yes" or >> "motor_vehicle=yes" to open the routable track in OSRM

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Ross Scanlon wrote: Notice the broken casing on the sides of some of the roads. If what you are talking about is the change in style on the roads to the right, then how were they generated as they do not appear on the main database? It's nice to see I can just cut and paste the old style locatio

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On 24/08/13 19:39, Lester Caine wrote: Ross Scanlon wrote: Notice the broken casing on the sides of some of the roads. If what you are talking about is the change in style on the roads to the right, then how were they generated as they do not appear on the main database? It's nice to see I can

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Ross Scanlon wrote: Notice the broken casing on the sides of some of the roads. If what you are talking about is the change in style on the roads to the right, then how were they generated as they do not appear on the main database? It's nice to see I can just cut and paste the old style locatio

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On 24/08/13 17:46, Lester Caine wrote: Notice the broken casing on the sides of some of the roads. If what you are talking about is the change in style on the roads to the right, then how were they generated as they do not appear on the main database? It's nice to see I can just cut and paste

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Ross Scanlon wrote: informationfreeway.org/?lat=-20.374&lon=148.633&zoom=15&layers=00F000B0 You'll have to copy and paste the link. Actually you will have to do more than that. the domain is incorrectly set up, so only http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=-20.374&lon=148.633&zoom=15&layers

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

u98dtbi...@gmail.com>> *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 23 août 2013 10h16 *Objet :* Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM +1 The absence of a style for surface=unpaved leads to a very common misunderstanding and large amounts of roads mistagged: https://github.

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On 08/24/2013 03:05 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> So I will not use highway=service for trackways around here that are >>> still used by school buses, refuse trucks and delivery lorries. >> >> what makes you believe it's a track and not an unpaved road if even >> the scho

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: So I will not use highway=service for trackways around here that are still used by school buses, refuse trucks and delivery lorries. what makes you believe it's a track and not an unpaved road if even the school bus takes that road? No footpaths, lights, tarmac or

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

streetmap.org>" mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org>>; Darren Biggs mailto:ou98dtbi...@gmail.com>> *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 23 août 2013 10h16 *Objet :* Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM +1 The absence of a style for surface=unpaved l

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Il giorno 23/ago/2013, alle ore 16:52, Pieren ha scritto: > BTW I just discover that some people are tagging for routing (after > "tagging for the renderer"). They add "access=yes" or > "motor_vehicle=yes" to open the routable track in OSRM... there is no problem with tagging correct access r

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Il giorno 23/ago/2013, alle ore 21:01, Lester Caine ha scritto: > So I will not use highway=service for trackways around here that are still > used by school buses, refuse trucks and delivery lorries. what makes you believe it's a track and not an unpaved road if even the school bus takes

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 08:01:03PM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: > Sorry, but this is the whole problem with the way things had been > reorganised. 'Dirt' trackways need to be rendered in a different way > to highway=service, and from a rendering point of view having to > search other tags to modify t

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Florian Lohoff wrote: On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 03:40:33PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: >I think the general idea is that track is a dirt roads fit for >two-tracked vehicles (cars, agricultural) and path is a dirt road >fit for one-tracked vehicles (because too narrow for two-tracked). A track is f

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 03:40:33PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: > I think the general idea is that track is a dirt roads fit for > two-tracked vehicles (cars, agricultural) and path is a dirt road > fit for one-tracked vehicles (because too narrow for two-tracked). A track is for aggricultural purpo

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

-- > *De :* Alex Barth > *À :* Martin Koppenhoefer > *Cc :* "talk@openstreetmap.org" ; Darren Biggs < > ou98dtbi...@gmail.com> > *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 23 août 2013 10h16 > *Objet :* Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default rende

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Darren Biggs wrote: Can someone give me a place on the Map where I can see this road shown, which I can repeat? Specifically the Unsurfaced road dashed lines. I see many tracks, but not one Unsurfaced road Secondary12 Secondary road Unsurfaced Unsurfaced road Track Track Byway B

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > BTW osrm.at is helping in this campaign, because it doesn't route through > tracks BTW I just discover that some people are tagging for routing (after "tagging for the renderer"). They add "access=yes" or "motor_vehicle=yes" to open the rou

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > because they don't render Surface and Smoothness tags. Forget smoothness. Subjective tag. ban smoothness = good ;-) Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On 23/08/2013 16:16, Alex Barth wrote: The absence of a style for surface=unpaved leads to a very common misunderstanding and large amounts of roads mistagged That is overwhelmingly the case for Africa - while there are some actual tracks there, there is a large number of unclassified unpaved

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

+1 The absence of a style for surface=unpaved leads to a very common misunderstanding and large amounts of roads mistagged: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/110 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Il giorno 23/ago/2013, alle ore 15:44, Da

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Track is used more and more for unpaved roads. Mapnik and other renderers are probably a big reason, because they don't render Surfaceand Smoothness tags. I really don't know of any renderers that show t

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Il giorno 23/ago/2013, alle ore 15:44, Darren Biggs ha scritto: > Specifically the Unsurfaced road dashed lines. I see many tracks, but not > one Unsurfaced road any road can be unsurfaced http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway cheers, Martin__

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Il giorno 23/ago/2013, alle ore 15:40, Maarten Deen ha scritto: > A track with tracktype=grade1 is could even be a proper road. -1, a track is never a proper road, otherwise it won't be a track ;-) but a track with tracktype=grade1 will always be paved (asphalt or concrete) or have similar c

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Can someone give me a place on the Map where I can see this road shown, which I can repeat? Specifically the Unsurfaced road dashed lines. I see many tracks, but not one Unsurfaced road [image: Secondary12] Secondary road[image: Unsurfaced] Unsurfaced road[image: Track] Track[image: Byway] Bywa

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

On 2013-08-23 15:22, Darren Biggs wrote: I have been trying to have dirt roads show up in the render for about a year now. I see that that the Map legend has "unsurfaced" road. I have looked around but can not find any roads that have the Map Legends use of unsurfaced road(Road, but with dashes

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

Il giorno 23/ago/2013, alle ore 15:22, Darren Biggs ha scritto: > I have been trying to have dirt roads show up in the render for about a year > now. I see that that the Map legend has "unsurfaced" road. I have looked > around but can not find any roads that have the Map Legends use of uns

[OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

I have been trying to have dirt roads show up in the render for about a year now. I see that that the Map legend has "unsurfaced" road. I have looked around but can not find any roads that have the Map Legends use of unsurfaced road(Road, but with dashes). I have looked in Europe and these road