Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL (Andy Mabbett )

The ODbL (like for example the CC licences too) does not allow sub-licencing and stipulates that every licensee is licensed directly by the OSMF. Am 13.06.2019 um 19:10 schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar: > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 6:17 PM Nuno Caldeira > mailto:nunocapelocalde...@gmail.com>> > wrote: >

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL (Andy Mabbett )

Eugene I already pointed that to Mapbox that some of their clients are not complying with ODbL and even their terms of service. They didn't reply either. Mapbox TOS https://docs.mapbox.com/help/how-mapbox-works/attribution/ Text attribution The text attribution contains at least three links: ©

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL (Andy Mabbett )

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 6:17 PM Nuno Caldeira wrote: > [...] OSMF is the licensor [...] > Well, if we really want to be strict about it, AFAIK, Facebook did not get their map data directly from OSMF but rather through Mapbox. Mapbox got their data directly from OSMF and are re-releasing their

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL (Andy Mabbett )

Martin, i obviously agree about the usage of usage data, that's the point of OpenStreetMap. Makes me proud to see it being used more and more as an alternative of Google. But the license has requirements that must be fulfill. I know they are already in breach, however as pointed on 9.4 c), the

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL (Andy Mabbett )

sent from a phone > On 9. Jun 2019, at 15:45, Nuno Caldeira wrote: > > As mentioned on the blog, i already asked facebook several times to comply. > They stopped replying. I'm not expecting a reply, i'm just sharing this on > the mailing list. I guess you are expecting a reply from the

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

yes, exactly the same happens on Android as I pointed out on this tweet https://twitter.com/iamnunocaldeira/status/1131190612529688577?s=09 A quarta, 12/06/2019, 08:44, Martin Koppenhoefer escreveu: > > > sent from a phone > > On 12. Jun 2019, at 00:38, Nuno Caldeira > wrote: > > So their

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

sent from a phone > On 12. Jun 2019, at 00:38, Nuno Caldeira wrote: > > So their believe is "map "previews" as the map in preview form isn't very > informative". Well if it isn't do not use it on the first place. ODbL is > clear, "any Person that uses, views", i do not have to interact with

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

Christoph i have well documented them and sent them to Facebook via email on October the 10th 2018 after receiving their reply on the 9th of October of my initial email on the 10th of September 2018. On December the 6th 2018 i asked what was the status or a reply to my email on the 10th of

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

I had to read the 2013 (wow!) thread again. '(c)OSM' on small devices would have legal issues as well, I guess, but maybe not as many. Anyway, speaking of legal issues, I don't think this is like if we ever took a lot of legal actions concerning attribution... Yves Le 10 juin 2019 21:56:14

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

Am 10.06.2019 um 21:05 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier: > On 6/10/19 5:28 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 4:47 PM Yves > > wrote: >> >> I think a small '(c)OSM' for small screen web or app could be >> suggested as OK, what do you think? >> >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

On 6/10/19 10:02 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 10 Jun 2019, 01:10 by j...@liotier.org: This negotiation belongs to the OSMF. Negotiation? Rather DMCA takedown notice. There is no reason at all for negotiation. Even if the goal is full conformance to strictest interpretation of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

On 6/10/19 5:28 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 4:47 PM Yves > wrote: I think a small '(c)OSM' for small screen web or app could be suggested as OK, what do you think? Why not revive this dormant proposal for a small attribution logo

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 4:47 PM Yves wrote: > I think a small '(c)OSM' for small screen web or app could be suggested as > OK, what do you think? > Why not revive this dormant proposal for a small attribution logo that was proposed 6 years ago:

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

Would that be a first step to remove their logo or shame them a (little bit) on the pages they are mentioned as sponsors? That should be a call from the Sotm WG, though. In any case, not being a fb user, I miss a proper case with a few screenshots being build on the wiki. Yves

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

I think a small '(c)OSM' for small screen web or app could be suggested as OK, what do you think? Yves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

On Monday 10 June 2019, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > As already said it would be a bad mistake to underestimate the > > influence the OSM community has in principle. It is certainly much > > larger than that of the OSMF. It might be convenient to just say > > "we can't do anything anyway so why

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

sent from a phone > On 10. Jun 2019, at 02:23, Clifford Snow wrote: > > Nuno - On a Facebook Android app I checked [1] they also use the "i" symbol > with a link to our attribution. I agree that they could do better, when the > map is opened up there is space for proper attribution but they

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

10 Jun 2019, 01:38 by o...@imagico.de: > As already said it would be a bad mistake to underestimate the influence > the OSM community has in principle. It is certainly much larger than > that of the OSMF. It might be convenient to just say "we can't do > anything anyway so why bother" and

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

It is still violation of ODBL to include barely visible "attribution" that will be missed by a typical person. "notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

10 Jun 2019, 01:10 by j...@liotier.org: > This negotiation belongs to the OSMF. > Negotiation? Rather DMCA takedown notice[1]. There is no reason at all for negotiation. [1] Or something more powerful if available. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

Nuno - On a Facebook Android app I checked [1] they also use the "i" symbol with a link to our attribution. I agree that they could do better, when the map is opened up there is space for proper attribution but they only give a very dim "i" symbol, but it is attributed. On the website, the map is

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

On Monday 10 June 2019, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > > > > * cease using Facebook [..] > > A drop in the ocean. As already said it would be a bad mistake to underestimate the influence the OSM community has in principle. It is certainly much larger than that of the OSMF. It might be convenient

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

On 6/10/19 12:10 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: No one should underestimage the amount of pressure the OSM community could put [..] if all active OSM contributors would * cease using Facebook [..] A drop in the ocean. This negotiation belongs to the OSMF.

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

To be clear: I would very much welcome it if the board states that they welcome activities from the OSM community pushing organizational OSM data users for following the license and supporting people organizing pressure on them to do so. But from past experience with board members

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

Frederik, i'm well aware of LWG making a better guide regarding the attribution. This does not have to do with the way they attribute. It's about the license. And i'm not asking the board to sue Facebook, what i'm asking is to notify them they are in breach of ODbL, as their are not

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

They do not. Examples: https://twitter.com/iamnunocaldeira/status/1131190612529688577 https://www.facebook.com/recommendations those map previews contains OSM data and there's no attribution. It gets worst if you use their apps (iOS, Android or Windows app) And as i mentioned this is not

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

Facebook does attribute using the "I" symbol as does Mapbox. Is that the issue? On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 2:12 PM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > 9 Jun 2019, 22:31 by frede...@remote.org: > > As you rightly say, while the OSMF board's cooperation might be required > for a few legal aspects, there are

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

9 Jun 2019, 22:31 by frede...@remote.org: > As you rightly say, while the OSMF board's cooperation might be required > for a few legal aspects, there are many potential avenues of "direct > action" that people could take to, but apparently the issue is not > *that* big for most > I would be happy

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

Hi, On 09.06.19 20:00, Christoph Hormann wrote: > I applaud you placing the ball in the OSMF board's court on this matter > but i would not expect substantial actions from there. The board has received the message and I'm sure it will be discussed internally in due course. It might be worth

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

On Sunday 09 June 2019, Nuno Caldeira wrote: > > And with at the moment at least four out of seven OSMF board > > members having ties to big organizational OSM data > > users/contributors ... well, as we say in German: Eine Krähe hackt > > der anderen kein Auge aus. > > Are those ties public? Are

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

Of course the OSM community does not depend on the OSMF to clearly communicate to Facebook that their insulting behaviour is not acceptable and that it will cost them a lot more economically in the long term to continue acting this way than anything they might hope to gain from it. We are not

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

On Sunday 09 June 2019, Nuno Caldeira wrote: > > I hereby request OSMF board, responsabile for the OSMF, as the > Licensor under ODbL 9.4 c) to notify Facebook and remove their rights > under ODbL, if the violation is not fixed after 30 days of notice. as > written on ODbL. >

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

I apologize for the signature (my mistake) and asked for the mailing list admin to remove it. This is not a matter on how the attribution must be made, like we discussed before in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-February/082136.html, it's them not attributing at all.

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

9 Jun 2019, 13:08 by nunocapelocalde...@gmail.com: I support efforts to stop large scale violation of OSM license by Facebook. Note "You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL (Andy Mabbett )

As mentioned on the blog, i already asked facebook several times to comply. They stopped replying. I'm not expecting a reply, i'm just sharing this on the mailing list. About my signature, i apologise as i have written the email on a webclient that contains that signature. ADMIN please remove the

Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

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Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 12:08, Nuno Caldeira wrote: > To acknowledge,I have asked this to the board. > > Dear board and board members, > > Following my comment on this post > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DrishT/diary/368711 > > I hereby request OSMF board, responsabile for the OSMF, as the

[OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

To acknowledge,I have asked this to the board. Dear board and board members, Following my comment on this post https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DrishT/diary/368711 I hereby request OSMF board, responsabile for the OSMF, as the Licensor under ODbL 9.4 c) to notify Facebook and remove their