On 2013-07-21 22:06, Yohan Boniface wrote:
On 07/21/2013 09:49 PM, Maarten Deen wrote:
IMHO at the moment they have become superfluous. There is no way
anymore
to zoom in or out more than one step at a time by using on-map controls
as there was with the old slider. So I'm using the mouse now to
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Stefan Keller wrote:
> I think such highscores don't belong (yet) to the main website os OSM.
> So what I still like to find out, is, what triggered the opposition to
> gamification. I can't find Saman mentioning gamification in his
> presentation (as other report
Hi Bryce and Janko
It seems that I have triggered many ideas about Gamification of data
capturing in OSM. I have some visions too from the existing Kort Game.
But for discussing this, I think, we should fork this thread.
I think such highscores don't belong (yet) to the main website os OSM.
So wh
There are a lot of ways to approach gamification. I'm not saying whether or
not we should, but we probably should avoid blanket statements that all
gamification is bad. For example, another route we could take is a more
traditional badge model that rewards you for achievements ("You made your
fir
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote:
>
> I think statistics are enough for gamification. You can have lots of
> badges like
>
> "Biggest contributor in Belgium" - most nodes in Belgium
> "Road admiral of Alabama" - most roads in Alabama
> "Power man of Bavaria" - biggest contri
2013/7/28 Stefan Keller
> OSM UI? I found the video of the presentation but can't find any hint
> in this direction:
> http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68093877
>
> I assume that you are referring to some statistics displayed about
> users which to me is only a d
Hi Michal
To come back this thread I'm interested in what you refer to by "Gamification".
What was Saman referring to in his talk regarding gamification of the
OSM UI? I found the video of the presentation but can't find any hint
in this direction:
http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the
On Jul 22, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Simon Poole wrote:
> Am 21.07.2013 20:18, schrieb Michal Migurski:
>> Supporting official venues for orderly change is what the board should
>> be doing, but is not. I would support the creation and use of a
>> proposal/vote/implementation process for the community, ev
Am 21.07.2013 22:01, schrieb Frederik Ramm:
> Hi,
>
> On 21.07.2013 21:28, Kai Krueger wrote:
>> It begs the question, if this high level design decisions shouldn't
>> live on
>> the design@ list instead of rails-dev or in the git-hub bug tracker.
>
> Yes, I can imagine that to some a "you only h
Am 21.07.2013 20:18, schrieb Michal Migurski:
> Supporting official venues for orderly change is what the board should
> be doing, but is not. I would support the creation and use of a
> proposal/vote/implementation process for the community, even if the
> first proposal is just "be it resolved th
On 21/07/13 22:01, Frederik Ramm wrote:
PS: If I reply to a message on rails-dev, will it land in the proper
github ticket discussion? I tried it once a while ago and found that my
comments were not there, and it seemed that some people were reading via
rails-dev and got my message while others
Am 21.07.2013 20:47, schrieb Richard Fairhurst:
> You only have to follow one mailing list: rails-dev@.
As its name says, this list is about development. The discussion in this thread
is about requirements. Its a good practice to clearly separate discussion of
requirements from their implementati
Humm...
Just to be clear: I'm not involved in anyway in osm.org redesign.
I've given this tip because it seems to me that the topic was about
keeping or not the +/- buttons, and imho it's a useful tip for people
who, like me, doesn't use a mouse.
Yohan
On 07/21/2013 10:47 PM, Maarten Deen wro
On 2013-07-21 22:06, Yohan Boniface wrote:
On 07/21/2013 09:49 PM, Maarten Deen wrote:
IMHO at the moment they have become superfluous. There is no way
anymore
to zoom in or out more than one step at a time by using on-map controls
as there was with the old slider. So I'm using the mouse now to
On 07/21/2013 09:49 PM, Maarten Deen wrote:
IMHO at the moment they have become superfluous. There is no way anymore
to zoom in or out more than one step at a time by using on-map controls
as there was with the old slider. So I'm using the mouse now to zoom in
or out.
Maybe not everybody knows
Hi,
On 21.07.2013 21:28, Kai Krueger wrote:
It begs the question, if this high level design decisions shouldn't live on
the design@ list instead of rails-dev or in the git-hub bug tracker.
Yes, I can imagine that to some a "you only have to follow rails-dev" is
a very hitchhikers-guidesque re
On 2013-07-21 20:18, Michal Migurski wrote:
The new icons and map controls are good and I'm getting accustomed to
them, but the process by which they made it onto the site worries me.
IMHO at the moment they have become superfluous. There is no way anymore
to zoom in or out more than one step
On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Kai Krueger wrote:
> It begs the question, if this high level design decisions shouldn't live on
> the design@ list instead of rails-dev or in the git-hub bug tracker.
>
> rails-dev can sometimes have a reasonably high volume and most of it is
> boring technical deta
It begs the question, if this high level design decisions shouldn't live on
the design@ list instead of rails-dev or in the git-hub bug tracker.
rails-dev can sometimes have a reasonably high volume and most of it is
boring technical detail, like e.g. if oauth needs relative or absolute URLs
to pr
On Jul 21, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Michal Migurski wrote:
>> On Jul 21, 2013, at 5:42 AM, Pieren wrote:
>>> If you missed the discussion because you don't watch the
>>> non-localized 35 mailing lists
>>> [...]
>> I don't know, and I don't want to have to subscribe to Github
Michal Migurski wrote:
> On Jul 21, 2013, at 5:42 AM, Pieren wrote:
> > If you missed the discussion because you don't watch the
> > non-localized 35 mailing lists
> > [...]
> I don't know, and I don't want to have to subscribe to Github
> pull requests to find out.
You only have to follow one m
Hey,
Let's also not lose the fact that this thread started with 'Should we
remove the +/- buttons' and has visited about 10 topics in 37 emails since
then. Maybe it's time to start fresh with a focused thread.
Tom
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Michal Migurski wrote:
> On Jul 21, 2013, at 5
On Jul 21, 2013, at 5:42 AM, Pieren wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Dave F. wrote:
>> On 20/07/2013 12:57, Paul Norman wrote:
>
>> Rails port pull requests?!?! wtf.
> :
>> I really think some developers are living in their own world.
>
> lol. They do !
> If you missed the discussion
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Dave F. wrote:
> On 20/07/2013 12:57, Paul Norman wrote:
> Rails port pull requests?!?! wtf.
:
> I really think some developers are living in their own world.
lol. They do !
If you missed the discussion because you don't watch the non-localized
35 mailing lists,
My reply is going private as it's now OT.
On 21/07/2013 02:17, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
My criticisms are based purely on his inability to communicate
clearly.
Dave,
As you say, you know nothing personally of this man, and yet you have
discerned he is unable to communicate? Saman i
>
> My criticisms are based purely on his inability to communicate clearly.
Dave,
As you say, you know nothing personally of this man, and yet you have
discerned he is unable to communicate? Saman is not above criticism.
However, we, as a community, are above sweeping statements such as the ones
Hello Tom
I reject & mildly resent your criticism that I made an ad hominem
attack. I know nothing personally of this man. My criticisms are based
purely on his inability to communicate clearly. As the primary reason
for his lecture was to explain the new layout I feel perfectly entitled
to p
I just watched all 30 minutes of the video. I am a professional
software engineer, the designer seemed extremely competent. Because of
the presentation, I trust that the people working on his know what
they are doing and I am very excited to see what comes next. Please
lets give them some space to
Hi Dave,
Please be civil, we're all trying our best to be nice and make progress
here. It's inappropriate to start ad-hominem attacking developers,
especially in the case of Saman - who is in fact a designer, not to mention
a real person, in the real world, with actual emotions.
Thanks,
Tom
On
On 20/07/2013 09:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
James Mast wrote:
I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down
work for me.
> From: Maarten Deen [mailto:md...@xs4all.nl]
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
>
> > http://lists.osm.org/pipermail/talk/2013-July/067499.html (in reply to
> > Andrew Errington)
>
> Okay, so you even have to read all threads, even if you don't
rac before your e-mail arrived.
I bet TomH will probably mark it as a duplicate very soon. lol.
-James
From: t...@macwright.org
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 19:09:27 -0400
To: dave...@madasafish.com
CC: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
Hi James,
That issue has bee
Hi James,
That issue has been reported and is being worked on:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/356
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Dave F. wrote:
> On 20/07/2013 12:57, Paul Norman wrote:
>
>> Whoops - resending to the right talk@ list
>>
>>
>>> Which list?
>>>
>
On 20/07/2013 12:57, Paul Norman wrote:
Whoops - resending to the right talk@ list
Which list?
All rails port pull requests and issues automatically goes to the rails-dev@
list, which is the list for "discussion of rails port (web site)
development"
If you prefer a format other than email, I
Is anybody else having problems submitting notes as "themselves" with the new
interface? I just tried to submit a note, but it claimed it was done by
"anonymous" and I was logged into the site at the time [1]. It seems that
commenting on a already created note is fine, just not creating the in
Andrew Errington wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:16:10 James Mast wrote:
>I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to
>the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map
>location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down w
On 2013-07-20 12:33, Paul Norman wrote:
From: Maarten Deen [mailto:md...@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 2:57 AM
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-20 11:29, Paul Norman wrote:
> From: Andrew Errington [mailto:erringt...@gmail.
Whoops - resending to the right talk@ list
> From: Maarten Deen [mailto:md...@xs4all.nl]
> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 2:57 AM
> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
>
> On 2013-07-20 11:29, Paul Norman wrote:
> > From: Andrew E
On 2013-07-20 13:35, Peter Wendorff wrote:
Am 20.07.2013 11:53, schrieb Maarten Deen:
On 2013-07-20 10:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
James Mast wrote:
I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
Instead of just one click to get the m
Am 20.07.2013 11:53, schrieb Maarten Deen:
> On 2013-07-20 10:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>> James Mast wrote:
>> I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
>> long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
>> Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
>> it's two cl
Am 20.07.2013 01:38, schrieb Dave F.:
> On 20/07/2013 00:22, Toby Murray wrote:
>> You aren't in the #osm IRC channel, are you :)
>
> No. I can't stand the cliquey, unilateral time zone defined exclusion of
> that. I prefer to discuss with *all* in *all* timezones. A while back a
> decision was ma
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:25:27 Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> James Mast wrote:
> > I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
> > long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
> > Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
> > it's two clicks and is really annoying and sl
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:39:18 Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Andrew Errington wrote:
> > Also, my proposal for including
> > a "markerlink" has not been taken up.
>
> Yet. Rome wasn't built in a day.
>
> > I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another
> > fait accompli.
>
> Hey Andrew,
On Sábado, 20 de julio de 2013 10:55:58 Mikel Maron escribió:
> I miss the white lines on blurry Landsat background. So simple and elegant.
> Can someone set that up and make it an option in the layer switcher? ;)
Those were the times :-D
--
--
Iván Sánchez Orteg
On 2013-07-20 11:29, Paul Norman wrote:
From: Andrew Errington [mailto:erringt...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:42 PM
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another fait
accompli.
The
n.
Perspective!
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
> From: Maarten Deen
>To: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
>
>
>On 2013-07-20 08:16, James Mast w
On 2013-07-20 10:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
James Mast wrote:
I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down
work for me.
On 2013-07-20 08:16, James Mast wrote:
I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short
links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to
get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and
slowing down work for me. :(
I agree to that. Wha
> From: Andrew Errington [mailto:erringt...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:42 PM
> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
>
>
> I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another fait
> accompli.
The pu
rg
>Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:39 AM
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
>
>
>Andrew Errington wrote:
>> Also, my proposal for including
>> a "markerlink" has not been taken up.
>
>Yet. Rome wasn't built in a day.
>
>&g
Andrew Errington wrote:
> Also, my proposal for including
> a "markerlink" has not been taken up.
Yet. Rome wasn't built in a day.
> I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another
> fait accompli.
Hey Andrew, I noticed you did some edits to the map the other day. That's
fine,
James Mast wrote:
> I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
> long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
> Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
> it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down
> work for me. :(
Ok, I've said this at least t
Le 20/07/2013 01:07, Dave F. a écrit :
Hi
Does anybody use the +/- zoom controls? I thought it was all mouse
wheels/pad gestures & finger gestures to zoom in & out.
Are they needed any more?
Dave F.
Oh, yes, they are.
I use them to see the wide region around a spot, e.g. find the big city
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:16:10 James Mast wrote:
> I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to
> the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map
> location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work
> for me. :(
>
> -Ja
I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the
map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map
location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for
me. :(
-James
On 20.07.2013 01:07, Dave F. wrote:
> Does anybody use the +/- zoom controls? I thought it was all mouse
> wheels/pad gestures & finger gestures to zoom in & out.
I don't use these controls if I can avoid it, but sometimes I'm stuck
with them. Examples include browser compatibility issues (Firefox
On 20/07/2013 00:22, Toby Murray wrote:
You aren't in the #osm IRC channel, are you :)
No. I can't stand the cliquey, unilateral time zone defined exclusion of
that. I prefer to discuss with *all* in *all* timezones. A while back a
decision was made to change something in OSM (apologies, I fa
Hi
Does anybody use the +/- zoom controls? I thought it was all mouse
wheels/pad gestures & finger gestures to zoom in & out.
Are they needed any more?
Dave F.
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You aren't in the #osm IRC channel, are you :)
Turns out, yes... they are still used. It was actually interesting to watch
a coworker who doesn't know much about online maps interacting with osm.org.
This was a month or so ago. They actually used the pan controls instead of
dragging the map. I was
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