>
> And vice versa: I always wonder how usable a map in Latin alphabet is for
> Chinese or Russian speakers.
Cannot speak for Chinese, but in Russia, Latin alphabet was taught at the
very early age in school. I think that drawing a map with local names in
Latin font should not cause too many prob
Hi,
On 24.09.2017 23:01, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> From an ideologic viewpoint, I am very much in favour of not giving
> preferential treatment to any particular language. Using the local
> language seems fair in this respect. On the other hand, from a
> pragmatic point of view I can also see tha
On Monday 25 September 2017, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
> Also, personally I'm in a similar situation to Maarten. I'm from
> Germany and I don't want a map with all German or all English names;
> ideally I want a map with local names except where I can't read them
> ;)
While i understand this view and
Christoph,
On 25.09.2017 10:55, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>> Also, personally I'm in a similar situation to Maarten. I'm from
>> Germany and I don't want a map with all German or all English names;
>> ideally I want a map with local names except where I can't read them
>> ;)
>
> While i understand
2017-09-25 9:37 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm :
> ideally I
> want a map with local names except where I can't read them ;)
>
>
>
+1.
And ideally I'd want a map that not only shows cities or countries with
transliterated names where needed, but everything (especially POIs like
historical things, museu
On Monday 25 September 2017, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
> Oh, in case I wasn't clear - what I said above was not with irony;
> indeed, for my personal use, I want a map that shows me names I can
> read. Which, I assume, everyone does.
Yes, of course - we need to clearly differentiate between 'i want a
On 9/24/2017 11:01 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
[...]For example, we have a label 北京市 for Beijing, a label موريتانيا for
Mauritania, and a label Magyarország for Hungary.
The openstreetmap-carto team quite frequently receives requests to
(additionally) display labels in English (or in any case t
I think Latin as default is disrespectful to areas like Japan which might
not be able to read Latin letters as they have kana for non-japanese words.
It's a bit biased to ask if Latin should be the default on a Latin based
list(letters not language).I'm sure there would be a different opinion if
yo
For the default map having local names everywhere is a strong statement.
The current status is fine (where scripts for the language are supported by
the fonts used in rendering).
Having transliterated / localized versions should only be an optional, if
ressources allow for it. Mixed versions (show
1000 - 7000 extra layers? That's give or take the number of languages in
existence... depending on who you ask, but even adding 500 extra layers is
not a practical endeavour.
2017-09-25 12:15 GMT+02:00 James :
> I think Latin as default is disrespectful to areas like Japan which might
> not be ab
I talked at a conference to a man from UK who, as I understood,
participates in the hardware work on the OSM servers. I was told that
multiple layers require too much additional work to be handled by
volunteers and also additional hardware&software. That it is not
feasible with the current stat
That's why you could have text rendered via JavaScript and not in the JPG
itself
On Sep 25, 2017 6:37 AM, "Jo" wrote:
> 1000 - 7000 extra layers? That's give or take the number of languages in
> existence... depending on who you ask, but even adding 500 extra layers is
> not a practical ende
Vector based rendering is just around the corner, I keep hearing.
2017-09-25 12:39 GMT+02:00 James :
> That's why you could have text rendered via JavaScript and not in the JPG
> itself
>
> On Sep 25, 2017 6:37 AM, "Jo" wrote:
>
>> 1000 - 7000 extra layers? That's give or take the number of
2017-09-25 12:37 GMT+02:00 Jo :
> 1000 - 7000 extra layers? That's give or take the number of languages in
> existence... depending on who you ask, but even adding 500 extra layers is
> not a practical endeavour.
>
maybe there are that many languages in the world, but there isn't
information in
2017-09-25 12:39 GMT+02:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev :
> The Latin language itself has been for centuries the language of science,
> and it remains the language of scientific classification. For example,
> Isaac Newton wrote his breakthrough books in Latin.
>
Ancient Greek has been for centuries the lang
On 25-Sep-17 07:49 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
On Monday 25 September 2017, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Oh, in case I wasn't clear - what I said above was not with irony;
indeed, for my personal use, I want a map that shows me names I can
read. Which, I assume, everyone does.
Yes, of course - we need
Of course this is impractical in the UI in the current way of selecting
layers (where each layer has its own check box to enable it), I was more
thinking in the line of having a dropdown box for all language overlays.
No idea if this is currently possible in openlayers.
Maarten
On 2017-09-25
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> I'd invest the available brainpower in steps needed to achieve
> this goal, even if it's a year or two in the future.
Which means vector tiles... which we should be looking at anyway.
But that needs to be a separate project really, rather than a facet of
openstreetmap-cart
On Monday 25 September 2017, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> > I'd invest the available brainpower in steps needed to achieve
> > this goal, even if it's a year or two in the future.
>
> Which means vector tiles... which we should be looking at anyway.
>
> But that needs to be a separate project really,
On 25 September 2017 at 13:21, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> I'd invest the available brainpower in steps needed to achieve
>> this goal, even if it's a year or two in the future.
>
> Which means vector tiles... which we should be looking at anyway.
>
> But that needs to be a
Hi,
On 25.09.2017 13:48, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> Changing some of the labels is something we could do with one
> line of code and roll out tomorrow, if we wanted to.
Yes. Don't.
Bye
Frederik
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> On 22. Sep 2017, at 17:22, SwiftFast wrote:
>
> There are many places to tag places. (node, way, admin area,
> landuse=residential, etc). This confuses me, and I assume it confuses
> many others. We need a comprehensive summary covering all cases.
>
> Here's a draft: https
On 25.09.17 12:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2017-09-25 12:39 GMT+02:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev
mailto:oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch>>:
The Latin language itself has been for centuries the language of
science, and it remains the language of scientific classification.
For example, Isaac N
>Yes, to re-iterate: my question is about things we can do now. Vector
>tiles are on the horizon, but are likely to take a year or more from
>now. Changing some of the labels is something we could do with one
>line of code and roll out tomorrow, if we wanted to.
What about the other alternatives?
On 25/09/2017 14:53, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
If not Latin, then why English? Why not French?
Well _obviously_ the answer is Esperanto. There are a few Esperanto
enthusiasts adding names to OSM (see e.g.
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/name%3Aeo and
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1
And now we're talking about years of work. The original post to this thread
already said making multiple versions is technically hard and out of scope.
> El 25 sept 2017, a las 07:39, James escribió:
>
> That's why you could have text rendered via JavaScript and not in the JPG
> itself
>
Mi ankaŭ proponas ke ni uzos esperanto! :-)
2017-09-25 16:19 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend :
> On 25/09/2017 14:53, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
>
>>
>> If not Latin, then why English? Why not French?
>>
>> Well _obviously_ the answer is Esperanto. There are a few Esperanto
> enthusiasts adding names to OS
> El 25 sept 2017, a las 10:54, Imre Samu escribió:.
>
> What about the other alternatives?
>
> for example:
> - just adding ALL (official[1]) dual languages for only Z0-Z8 level, and
> keeping the current design for Z9-Z19
>
> so there will be (z0-z8)
> - local + english
> - local + chines
On 25.09.17 16:19, Andy Townsend wrote:
On 25/09/2017 14:53, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
If not Latin, then why English? Why not French?
Well _obviously_ the answer is Esperanto. There are a few Esperanto
enthusiasts adding names to OSM (see e.g.
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/name%3Aeo
W dniu 25.09.2017 o 13:15, Maarten Deen pisze:
Of course this is impractical in the UI in the current way of
selecting layers (where each layer has its own check box to enable
it), I was more thinking in the line of having a dropdown box for all
language overlays. No idea if this is currently p
People are confusing labels using the Latin alphabet with labels using the
Latin language.
On September 25, 2017 8:56:04 AM Oleksiy Muzalyev
wrote:
On 25.09.17 12:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2017-09-25 12:39 GMT+02:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev
mailto:oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch>>:
The La
OSMAND+ already uses a vector-based system to render OSM-data-based maps,
and has been doing so for some time. So, the technology already exists.
On September 25, 2017 6:22:59 AM Richard Fairhurst
wrote:
Frederik Ramm wrote:
I'd invest the available brainpower in steps needed to achieve
t
Since this thread had not received any new discussion in the past 4 days, I
assumed all points were answered and proceeded as planned, per mechanical
edit policy. Yet, after I have added all the nodes and moved on to
relations, I have been blocked by Andy Townsend with the following message.
I beli
At the moment, there are nearly 40,000 OSM objects whose wikipedia tag does
not match their wikidata tag. Most of them are Wikipedia redirects, whose
target is the right wikipedia article. If we are not ready to abandon
wikipedia tags just yet (I don't think we should ATM), I think we should
fix th
> moving it here. I believe I acted in good faith according to the mechanical
> edit policy - discussed with the community, and proceeded.
I believe the mechanical edit polity demands that you discuss with the
*local* community. That means if your edit modifies items in e.g.
Mexico, Belgium and J
what about a Maproulette task ?
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:11 AM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
> At the moment, there are nearly 40,000 OSM objects whose wikipedia tag does
> not match their wikidata tag. Most of them are Wikipedia redirects, whose
> target is the right wikipedia article. If we are not r
or via Osmose ?
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:16 AM, Marc Gemis wrote:
> what about a Maproulette task ?
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:11 AM, Yuri Astrakhan
> wrote:
>> At the moment, there are nearly 40,000 OSM objects whose wikipedia tag does
>> not match their wikidata tag. Most of them are Wiki
According to Martijn (of MapRoulette fame), there is no way a challenge can
link to object IDs. MapRoulette can only highlight location. Nor can I
provide a proposed fix, which means someone would have to manually find the
broken object, navigate to Wikipedia, copy/paste the title, and save the
obj
On 26.09.17 01:30, John F. Eldredge wrote:
People are confusing labels using the Latin alphabet with labels using
the Latin language.
Certainly, the Latin alphabet is more known as it is used in many modern
languages. But the Latin language does exist, and its popularity is
growing [1].
S
Marc, thanks. I was under the assumption that talk is the global community
- as it is the most generic in the list, unlike talk-us and
talk-us-newyork. Does it meany that any global proposal would require
talking to hundreds of communities independently, making it impossible to
coordinate, because
By using Osmose, it would be possible to involve the local
communities. People would learn about Wikidata, and might start adding
them to other objects as well. They might even start contributing to
Wikidata as well.
By just running your program, you would only fix a small number of
entries and nob
You do have a valid point about getting the local community exposure to
Wikidata. But I see no contradiction between that and my proposal, because
I think it would be very easy to come up with countless Wikipedia/Wikidata
cleanup tasks that require human attention. There is always be plenty of
wor
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