Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards - The Voting Has Started

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

The same here. After clicking Submit the page seemed to reload, but 
there was no confirmation message, something like: "Your vote was 
submitted successfully. Thank you." I voted with the latest Firefox 
48.0.1 on Mac.


And after reloading of the page the choices (radio buttons) remained 
selected, as if inviting to vote again, but i did not press Submit 
button again, the second time, as I was afraid that it would count my 
vote twice.



On 07/09/16 05:18, Emir Hartato wrote:

Hi Ilya,

Thank you for organising the OSM Awards.
Anyway, I have a small technical problem. It seems nothing happened 
when I click on 'Submit my votes' button.
I don't know whether my votes are submitted or not. I'm using Safari 
Version 9.1.3 (11601.7.8).


Cheers,
Emir


On 7 September 2016 at 08:49, Ilya Zverev > wrote:


Hi everyone,

Some of you have submitted nominees for the OSM Awards, and two
days ago we (as in some members of CWG, SotMWG and the Board) have
discussed them and compiled a short list: five nominees for each
category.

Now the final stage of the OSM Awards begins: please open the
website, http://awards.osmz.ru , and choose one nominee for each
of the six categories, who you think has contributed the most and
deserves an award slightly more than others.

Although it is a hard task: imo all of the shortlisted nominees
deserve praise. Thank you for what you are doing, please do not
stop. And maybe even not only shortlisted.

But this is an award, and it should have its winners, so now it is
up to you who receives the award on the Sunday of the State of the
Map. So again, go and vote:

http://awards.osmz.ru

You can alter your choice up until the voting closes, by September
22nd.

IZ

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards - The Voting Has Started

[Microgamer]

As I can see from the source-code, the data is submitted. It seems like you 
could change your vote, because the JavaScript-file ticks the boxes, you have 
ticked in your submission.

Am I right ilya?

Regards

Sent from ProtonMail mobile



 Original Message 
On 7. Sep. 2016, 05:18, Emir Hartato wrote:

Hi Ilya,

Thank you for organising the OSM Awards.
Anyway, I have a small technical problem. It seems nothing happened when I 
click on 'Submit my votes' button.
I don't know whether my votes are submitted or not. I'm using Safari Version 
9.1.3 (11601.7.8).

Cheers,
Emir











On 7 September 2016 at 08:49, Ilya Zverev  wrote:
Hi everyone,

Some of you have submitted nominees for the OSM Awards, and two days ago we (as 
in some members of CWG, SotMWG and the Board) have discussed them and compiled 
a short list: five nominees for each category.

Now the final stage of the OSM Awards begins: please open the website, 
http://awards.osmz.ru , and choose one nominee for each of the six categories, 
who you think has contributed the most and deserves an award slightly more than 
others.

Although it is a hard task: imo all of the shortlisted nominees deserve praise. 
Thank you for what you are doing, please do not stop. And maybe even not only 
shortlisted.

But this is an award, and it should have its winners, so now it is up to you 
who receives the award on the Sunday of the State of the Map. So again, go and 
vote:

http://awards.osmz.ru

You can alter your choice up until the voting closes, by September 22nd.

IZ

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[Talk-lt] Trafi naudoja Openstreetmaps duomenis

[Jurkis]

Sveiki
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Androidui pradėjo naudoti OpenstreetMaps žemėlapius. Funkcionalumas  
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Re: [Talk-de] Mitteldeutsche Schleife -> reg_name ?

[Christian Müller]

Am 6. September 2016 22:37:13 MESZ, schrieb Florian Lohoff :
>On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 06:09:32PM +0200, "Christian Müller" wrote:
>> b) Mit regionalen Namen verhält sich das auf fraktale Weise genauso,
>> du musst nur ein bisschen "reinzoomen".  Sie wirken auf dich befremd-
>> lich, weil du nicht aus der Region stammst.  Doch ist es gerade die
>> Region (der Landstrich, das Dort, die Stadt, der Ort), die einen
>> allgemeinen Namen häufigst bestimmt und diesen dann hinausträgt!?
>
>Der name= tag sollte das beinhalten was auch beschildert ist. Was dann
>in loc_name=, reg_name= noch so drin steht ist dann ja relativ egal.
>Das hilft dann beim wiederfinden via Nominatim aber verwirrt nicht.

Dann viel Spaß beim Aufräumen in OSM.

Bzgl. der Routing-Anweisungen hast du meine Ausführungen zu ref=
vs. name= gekonnt überlesen.

Außerdem ist name= nicht ausschließlich für Routinganwendungen
da, hier solltet ihr etwas generischer denken als einen Anwendungsfall
im Tunnelblick zu bearbeiten.

AVUS
Autobahn der Freiheit
Östlicher Berliner Ring
Berliner Ring
..

sind evtl. vor Ort auch nicht beschildert, aber im allg. Sprachgebrauch
und im Behördendeutsch etablierte Bezeichnungen.  Mehr Bedarf es
für die Erfassung als name= nicht,  aber ihr könnt freilich auch ne
Extrawurst daraus machen...  ..wäre ja auch nicht das erste Mal in
OSM.


Gruß
Christian


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[Talk-us] Reimport complete: New York State DEC Lands

[Kevin Kenny]

I am pleased to announce that the reimport of the New York State DEC Lands
shapefile that I began in May is now, as far as I can tell, complete. The
last step, auditing the website= and wikipedia= links for reasonableness,
is now done, from Accabonac Marsh to Zuckermann Natural Resource Area.

I'll monitor the NYSGIS web site occasionally for updates. The March 2016
version of the file that I used for the import is still current. (I expect
a new one Real Soon Now, because the Preston Ponds acquisition in the
Adirondacks does not appear in that version.) If I actually do it once in a
while, it'll be less of a slog.

Thanks, everyone, for your support in this endeavour. The map of
recreational lands in New York, particularly in the Adirondack and Catskill
Parks, looks better than ever, and much better than it did this spring.

Kudos in particular goes to Russ Nelson for clearing and performing the
original import. Without his example, I'd have had nothing to build on, and
wouldn't have known where to start. Special thanks also go to OSM user
'zeromap', who caught a good many bugs as the reimport was progressing. It
would surely have been much messier without his/her prompt problem reports.
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards - The Voting Has Started

[Emir Hartato]

Hi Ilya,

Thank you for organising the OSM Awards.
Anyway, I have a small technical problem. It seems nothing happened when I
click on 'Submit my votes' button.
I don't know whether my votes are submitted or not. I'm using Safari
Version 9.1.3 (11601.7.8).

Cheers,
Emir


On 7 September 2016 at 08:49, Ilya Zverev  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Some of you have submitted nominees for the OSM Awards, and two days ago
> we (as in some members of CWG, SotMWG and the Board) have discussed them
> and compiled a short list: five nominees for each category.
>
> Now the final stage of the OSM Awards begins: please open the website,
> http://awards.osmz.ru , and choose one nominee for each of the six
> categories, who you think has contributed the most and deserves an award
> slightly more than others.
>
> Although it is a hard task: imo all of the shortlisted nominees deserve
> praise. Thank you for what you are doing, please do not stop. And maybe
> even not only shortlisted.
>
> But this is an award, and it should have its winners, so now it is up to
> you who receives the award on the Sunday of the State of the Map. So again,
> go and vote:
>
> http://awards.osmz.ru
>
> You can alter your choice up until the voting closes, by September 22nd.
>
> IZ
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Re: [Talk-pe] Satélite PeruSat-1

[Alfonso Torres]

El INEI ha manifestado que trabajarán la cartografía de todos los municipios 
distritales del Perú en base a lo que le entregue el satélite y que luego 
utilizarán dicha cartografía como base para la realización del censo nacional 
de población y vivienda del 
2017.http://larepublica.pe/impresa/sociedad/769713-censo-del-2017-ubicara-cada-vivienda-con-tecnologia-precisa

El Martes, 6 de septiembre, 2016 20:58:47, Pablo diaz bendrell 
 escribió:
 

 Hasta donde se, las imágenes no sera distribuidos o vendidos a privados, y 
solo va ser  para uso exclusivo de entidades del estado, para grupos  de 
investigaciones en las universidades que sean reconocidos como tal por las 
mismas universidades y de uso gratuito sin ningún costo, ahora la cartografía 
que se generará a partir de las imágenes satelitales junto con las imágenes 
estéreos que el mismo satélite Perusat -1 será encargado al IGN está producto 
de hecho tendrá un costo para privados y sector público.
El Tuesday, September 6, 2016, Johnattan Rupire  escribió:

  Sí, me imagino que estará a su cargo, quizá podamos encontrar la manera de 
hacerles notar lo que queremos y lo útil que puede ser para ellos y para todos. 
  Además de otras cosas, como por ejemplo que en un sistema de venta de 
imagenes, la ciudadanía tendríamos que pagar doblemente por las fotos (no 
olvideos que se lanza con dinero público) y que si se ponen en venta, sólo será 
accesible para grandes empresas, con lo cual, una cantidad grande de pequeños 
empresarios y emprendedores se quedarían un poco con las mismas, pagando pero 
no recibiendo... esto quedándonos sólo en el ámbito comercial del asunto. Por 
el lado educativo (como material didáctico) y ambiental (como herramienta de 
investigación) la cosa tiene otros colores... Más opiniones? 
  
 El 06/09/16 a las 20:24, Pablo diaz bendrell escribió:
  
Que estará a cargo del instituto geográfico nacional se tendrá cartografía a 
escala a 25 000 pero de que esa información sea gratuita para el público 
particular no creo, creo que lo venderían como está haciendo con la cartografía 
al 100 000 que fueron obtenidas con fotografías áreas de vuelo alto obtenías 
por la fuerza área de Estados Unidos en los años 80s
 
 El Tuesday, September 6, 2016, Johnattan Rupire  escribió:
 
  "Cuando el PerúSAT se encuentre en órbita, dice el coronel FAP Guevara 
Contreras, una de sus primeras acciones será mapear el territorio nacional." 
  http://larepublica.pe/impresa/ sociedad/799898-peru-se-alista 
-para-el-lanzamiento-de-su- primer-satelite-submetrico
 
 
 El 16/08/16 a las 17:18, Pablo diaz bendrell escribió:
  
Confirmado el satélite peruano será lanzado el 15 de setiembre en la Guayana 
Francesa.
 
 El Monday, August 8, 2016, andrzej zaborowski  escribió:
 
Hola,
 
 2016-08-08 20:22 GMT+02:00 Johnattan Rupire :
 > Este lanzamiento es más que una importante oportunidad para OSM en Perú,
 > alguno tiene más información al respecto? alguien sabe por ejemplo, qué
 > pasará con los productos de este satélite? con las imágenes y demás
 > elementos que pueda captar? estarán disponibles para la ciudadanía?
 
 En la COP-20 habia preguntado acerca de lo que iba a pasar con estos
 productos en el puesto de CONIDA y me habian dicho que serian
 accesibles para instituciones del estado y se venderian a terceros con
 una licencia no abierta.  En principio como los ortofotomapas de
 estado en otros paises en los años 90-2000, no han sacado conclusiones
 del hecho de que muchos paises ya abrieron estos recursos :(
 
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Re: [Talk-cl] Normas para etiquetado de caminos en OSM

[Andrés Pino Herrera]

A modo de ejemplo y para contribuir a la discusión, de aplicarse las normas
propuestas, el etiquetado de los caminos de la Red Vial en la Provincia de
Biobío, quedaría como muestra la imagen en
http://www.subirimagenes.com/fotos-caminosbiobio-9640509.html usando los
colores tradicionales para las etiquetas highway=*. Es un ejercicio que
habría que hacer a nivel nacional, y tal como dice Juan Pablo, de todas
formas debe revisarse la base de datos ya que muchos caminos han cambiado
de nombre y rol, e incluso de trazado.

Saludos

Andrés Pino Herrera
Estudiante de Ingeniería Civil - Universidad de Concepción
Socio de la Asociación Chilena de Conservación del Patrimonio Ferroviario
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El 5 de septiembre de 2016, 21:29, Juan Pablo Tolosa Sanzana <
jptolosanz...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Viendo la red vial de todo Chile la mayoría de las carreteras nunca han
> sido editadas. Como sabrán algunos se hizo una importación de un shapefile
> antiguo de Vialidad y se utilizó la siguiente regla:
>
> highway=primary para caminos pavimentados
>
> highway=tertiary para caminos de ripio
>
> highway=unclassified para caminos de tierra
>
> La propuesta original se acerca a esa y no requiere cambiar muchas cosas.
> En el caso de la propuesta 2 se necesitaría mucho más trabajo para ajustar
> las cosas. Pero como ya existe una etiqueta surface=* soy más partidario de
> la segunda.
>
> Por otra parte, dado que Vialidad recientemente ha cambiado los roles de
> casi todos los caminos la mayoría de esa base de datos se encuentra
> obsoleta y faltan muchas correcciones por hacer, pues debe hacerse
> manualmente todo. Entonces, sea como sea de todas formas toda la red vial
> nacional necesita ser revisada, aunque no se apruebe el cambio de
> etiquetado, pues hasta ahora es algo que no lo ha hecho nadie.
>
> Saludos.
>
> El 05/09/16 a las 21:09, Andrés Pino Herrera escribió:
>
> Gracias
> ​ Danilo​
> por el link. Precisamente ahí se puede ver la definición de cada etiqueta,
> consistente con la entrada en la Wiki de cada una de ellas. Dice
> literalmente sobre highway=trunk "
> ​n
> eed not necessarily be a divided highway" (no es necesariamente una
> carretera "dividida")
> ​, mientras que las demás están definidas como las categorías siguientes
> dentro de la clasificación de cada país. En ese sentido, y ya que parece
> que lo mejor es dejar la diferenciación de la carpeta de rodado solo para
> surface=*, las etiquetas de highway=* quedarían en general de esta forma
> según la clasificación chilena:
>
> - highway=motorway para autopistas,
> - highway=trunk para caminos nacionales y autovías
> ​- highway=primary para caminos regionales principales
> - highway=secondary para caminos regionales provinciales
> - highway=tertiary para caminos regionales comunales y de acceso
> - highway=unclassified para otros caminos
>
> De la misma forma que la propuesta original, en
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Tren_sur/Propuesta_carreteras_2
> está la adaptación con estas consideraciones​. Sobre el trabajo de cambiar
> el etiquetado, también estoy dispuesto para trabajar en ello.
>
> Saludos
>
>
> Andrés Pino Herrera
> Estudiante de Ingeniería Civil - Universidad de Concepción
> Socio de la Asociación Chilena de Conservación del Patrimonio Ferroviario
> apin...@gmail.com - api...@udec.cl
>
>
>
> El 5 de septiembre de 2016, 10:56, Danilo Lacoste 
> escribió:
>
>> Hola Andés,
>>
>> quizá poner una fotito al lado de lada tipo de carretera puede ayudar
>> a entender la clasificación.
>> Por mi parte, cuando tengo dudas para una nueva carretera siempre
>> reviso aqui http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway fijate lo
>> claro que queda con las imágenes.
>>
>> saludos.
>>
>> 2016-09-04 23:47 GMT-03:00 Juan Pablo Tolosa Sanzana <
>> jptolosanz...@gmail.com>:
>> > Yo no estoy de acuerdo en que el "tiempo y trabajo" que toma en cambiar
>> el
>> > etiquetado sea motivo para mantener el criterio actual que deja más
>> dudas
>> > que respuestas. De hecho hace un tiempo abandoné completamente la tarea
>> del
>> > etiquetado highway=* ya que en la práctica es imposible determinar si un
>> > camino debe ser etiquetado como highway=primary o highway=secondary
>> bajo lo
>> > que dice esa tabla. Tampoco la wiki explica qué fundamento se utilizó
>> para
>> > aquello.
>> >
>> > Si realmente lo que les complica es la tarea de llevar a cabo el cambio
>> yo
>> > me puedo encargar de eso. Tengo experiencia manipulando grandes
>> cantidades
>> > de datos con JOSM y por ejemplo el cambio de etiquetado de todas las
>> rutas
>> > nacionales del país lo puedo hacer en una sola tarde.
>> >
>> > Como dice Andrés, ya existe una etiqueta surface=* para el tipo de
>> > superficie del camino.
>> >
>> > Saludos.
>> >
>> >
>> > El 04/09/16 a las 23:05, Cristián Serpell escribió:
>> >
>> >> Hola, gracias por el aporte.
>> >>
>> >> También me hago esa pregunta, ¿qué se ganaría cambiando el etiquetado,
>> >> dado el 

Re: [Talk-pe] Satélite PeruSat-1

[Pablo diaz bendrell]

Hasta donde se, las imágenes no sera distribuidos o vendidos a privados, y
solo va ser  para uso exclusivo de entidades del estado, para grupos  de
investigaciones en las universidades que sean reconocidos como tal por las
mismas universidades y de uso gratuito sin ningún costo, ahora la
cartografía que se generará a partir de las imágenes satelitales junto con
las imágenes estéreos que el mismo satélite Perusat -1 será encargado al
IGN está producto de hecho tendrá un costo para privados y sector público.

El Tuesday, September 6, 2016, Johnattan Rupire 
escribió:

> Sí, me imagino que estará a su cargo, quizá podamos encontrar la manera de
> hacerles notar lo que queremos y lo útil que puede ser para ellos y para
> todos.
>
> Además de otras cosas, como por ejemplo que en un sistema de venta de
> imagenes, la ciudadanía tendríamos que pagar doblemente por las fotos (no
> olvideos que se lanza con dinero público) y que si se ponen en venta, sólo
> será accesible para grandes empresas, con lo cual, una cantidad grande de
> pequeños empresarios y emprendedores se quedarían un poco con las mismas,
> pagando pero no recibiendo... esto quedándonos sólo en el ámbito comercial
> del asunto. Por el lado educativo (como material didáctico) y ambiental
> (como herramienta de investigación) la cosa tiene otros colores...
>
> Más opiniones?
>
> El 06/09/16 a las 20:24, Pablo diaz bendrell escribió:
>
> Que estará a cargo del instituto geográfico nacional se tendrá cartografía
> a escala a 25 000 pero de que esa información sea gratuita para el público
> particular no creo, creo que lo venderían como está haciendo con la
> cartografía al 100 000 que fueron obtenidas con fotografías áreas de vuelo
> alto obtenías por la fuerza área de Estados Unidos en los años 80s
>
> El Tuesday, September 6, 2016, Johnattan Rupire  > escribió:
>
>> "Cuando el PerúSAT se encuentre en órbita, dice el coronel FAP Guevara
>> Contreras, una de sus primeras acciones será mapear el territorio
>> nacional."
>> http://larepublica.pe/impresa/sociedad/799898-peru-se-alista
>> -para-el-lanzamiento-de-su-primer-satelite-submetrico
>>
>>
>> El 16/08/16 a las 17:18, Pablo diaz bendrell escribió:
>>
>> Confirmado el satélite peruano será lanzado el 15 de setiembre en la
>> Guayana Francesa.
>>
>> El Monday, August 8, 2016, andrzej zaborowski 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Hola,
>>>
>>> 2016-08-08 20:22 GMT+02:00 Johnattan Rupire :
>>> > Este lanzamiento es más que una importante oportunidad para OSM en
>>> Perú,
>>> > alguno tiene más información al respecto? alguien sabe por ejemplo, qué
>>> > pasará con los productos de este satélite? con las imágenes y demás
>>> > elementos que pueda captar? estarán disponibles para la ciudadanía?
>>>
>>> En la COP-20 habia preguntado acerca de lo que iba a pasar con estos
>>> productos en el puesto de CONIDA y me habian dicho que serian
>>> accesibles para instituciones del estado y se venderian a terceros con
>>> una licencia no abierta.  En principio como los ortofotomapas de
>>> estado en otros paises en los años 90-2000, no han sacado conclusiones
>>> del hecho de que muchos paises ya abrieron estos recursos :(
>>>
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>>
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Re: [Talk-pe] Satélite PeruSat-1

[Johnattan Rupire]

"Cuando el PerúSAT se encuentre en órbita, dice el coronel FAP Guevara 
Contreras, una de sus primeras acciones será mapear el territorio 
nacional."


http://larepublica.pe/impresa/sociedad/799898-peru-se-alista-para-el-lanzamiento-de-su-primer-satelite-submetrico


El 16/08/16 a las 17:18, Pablo diaz bendrell escribió:
Confirmado el satélite peruano será lanzado el 15 de setiembre en la 
Guayana Francesa.


El Monday, August 8, 2016, andrzej zaborowski > escribió:


Hola,

2016-08-08 20:22 GMT+02:00 Johnattan Rupire >:
> Este lanzamiento es más que una importante oportunidad para OSM
en Perú,
> alguno tiene más información al respecto? alguien sabe por
ejemplo, qué
> pasará con los productos de este satélite? con las imágenes y demás
> elementos que pueda captar? estarán disponibles para la ciudadanía?

En la COP-20 habia preguntado acerca de lo que iba a pasar con estos
productos en el puesto de CONIDA y me habian dicho que serian
accesibles para instituciones del estado y se venderian a terceros con
una licencia no abierta.  En principio como los ortofotomapas de
estado en otros paises en los años 90-2000, no han sacado conclusiones
del hecho de que muchos paises ya abrieron estos recursos :(

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[talk-latam] Huracán Newton pegando en la península de Baja California y Sonora

[Gonzales, Miriam - (p)]

Hola Comunidad mapera,

El día de hoy el Huracán Newton está afectando poblaciones de Baja California 
Sur y Sonora. Se abrió la siguiente tarea en el Tasking manager para ayudar a 
mapear las zonas que podrían ser afectadas
http://52.41.11.193/osmtm/project/3#task/110

y en el siguiente Wiki podrán encontrar toda la información necesaria para el 
mapeo https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hurricane_Newton

La zona roja es la más urgente que es el trayecto del huracán pero todavía no 
se sabe hasta donde llegarán las áreas dañadas.

Saludos y de antemano gracias por el apoyo,

M



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Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

[Mike N]

On 9/6/2016 5:36 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Automatically editing away something
country-wide hides the fact that the map lacks attention in an area.


I'm not sure that hiding lack of attention is such a bad thing.  In some 
places I only update items of interest instead of taking the time to 
verify a whole row of POIs.   In either case, the only way to be sure 
the entire area is current is to re-survey everything.   But if one less 
thing is wrong or outdated, that makes the data more useful to all clients.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu FR... un peu de neuf

[Philippe Verdy]

Tu me sembles plutôt réécrire toi-même l'histoire pour l'interpréter. Tu
parle de l'agglomération nouvelle qui n'est pas non plus une commune.

Le chef-lieu est toujours, de jure dans les textes, à Pontoise même s'il
n'y a plus ni conseil général/départemental, ni préfecture et où il y a
maintenant la sous-préfecture de Pontoise (là où était l'ancienne
préfecture du département). Mais on y trouve toujours la plupart des
services départementaux (dont le Palais de justice et plusieurs annexes, la
Direction des affaires sociales). Pontoise (presque entièrement urbanisée)
reste plus peuplée que Cergy, compte de plus nombreux établissements
scolaires et lycées. L'habitat y est nettement plus dense. Son hôtel de
ville est bien plus imposant que celui de "Cergy-Village". L'hôtel de
police a déménagé plus au sud mais est resté à Pontoise, en bordure des
deux communes.

La préfecture (située maintenant à Cergy)
s'appelle officiellement "Préfecture du Val-d'Oise" (et non pas "Préfecture
de Cercy-Pontoise" : je ne sais pas où tu as été chercher ça, c'est une
invention). La gare SNCF de Cergy (à côté) s'appelle "Cergy Préfecture"
(aucune de mention de Pontoise qui a une autre gare nommée seulement
"Pontoise"). Le conseil général, devenu conseil départemental (aussi à
Cergy dans le même secteur semi-urbain où a été construit aussi
l'université), ne porte pas non plus le nom de la commune ou de
l'agglomération nouvelle, mais celui du département. Cergy est encore
largement une zone peu bâtie avec des parcs et des étangs dans la boucle de
la Seine, avec plusieurs petits villages séparés par une large "bande
verte" et une petite frange urbaine au nord.

On parle du "préfet du Val-d'Oise" (pas du "préfet de Cergy" ni de
"Cergy-Pontoise"), du président du conseil général/départemental du
Val-d'Oise, etc. Les documents d'identité émis par la préfecture indiquent
"préfecture du Val-d'Oise" (pas "Cergy-Pontoise", ni "Cergy", ni
"Pontoise"). Il y a bien un sous-préfet de Cergy (logé dans les mêmes
bâtiments de la nouvelle préfecture à Cergy, juste un service différent ;
l'accueil du public pour les démarches administratives est le même pour les
deux arrondissements, mais les adresses postales peuvent être différentes
pour certaines démarches intéressant le plus souvent non pas le public,
mais les collectivités locales et autres administrations).

Avant la création du département (issu de la scission du département de la
Seine), il n'y avait que la sous-préfecture de Pontoise; et Cergy encore
plus rurale qu'elle ne l'est aujourd'hui était dans le même arrondissement,
elle a été promue en chef-lieu du nouveau département et les
arrondissements ont été séparés. Plus tard ensuite la préfecture a
déménagé, la préfecture et la sous-préfecture cohabitent à Cergy, et le
conseil général aussi (et avec lui le centre des finances publiques).

Les deux autres sous-préfectures (Argenteuil et Sarcelles) sont bien dans
la commune homonyme, chef-lieu de leur arrondissement.

Ce qui fait que pour l'arrondissement de Pontoise, le chef-lieu ne loge pas
le siège de sa préfecture ou sous-préfecture (on a le cas aussi en Alsace
entre deux paires d'arrondisssements "Ville" et "Campagne", issu des
divisions administratives durant l'occupation allemande), ni le conseil
départemental (c'est aussi le seul cas en France où il n'est pas situé au
chef-lieu officiel du département).


Le 7 septembre 2016 à 01:37, Christian Rogel <
christian.ro...@club-internet.fr> a écrit :

>
> > Le 7 sept. 2016 à 00:06, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :
> >
> > Au fait pour le 95, quel est le chef-lieu ? Cergy ou Pontoise ?
> >
> > Ne vous fiez pas au siège de la préfecture ou du conseil départemental,
> car le chef-lieu **officiel** (de jure) du département n'est que le siège
> d'une sous-préfecture !
> >
> > Si on doit choisir, laquelle des deux communes afficher comme elles sont
> limitrophes ? ou afficher "Cergy-Pontoise" su un noeud fictif chef-lieu du
> département (capital=6) ? Et placer alors la préfecture d'une part et la
> sous-préfecture de l'autre, mais les deux avec capital=7 ???
>
> C’est une réécriture de l’Histoire : lors de l’éclatement de la
> Seine-et-Oise, Cergy était une zone agricole. La préf. a été logée
> provisoirement à Pontoise, ancienne sous-préfecture, puis transférée d
> l’autre côté de l’A 15, toute seule au milieu d’une zone encore cultivée de
> Cergy. Le nom officiel de la préfecture est Cergy-Pontoise qui est aussi le
> nom de l’agglomération noouvelle, constituée d’une dizaine de communes.
>
>
> Chrsistian R.
> Ancien Seine-et-Oisien, ancien Valdoisien, ancien fonctionnaire de la
> préfecture de Cergy-Pntoise
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu FR... un peu de neuf

[Christian Rogel]

> Le 7 sept. 2016 à 00:06, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :
> 
> Au fait pour le 95, quel est le chef-lieu ? Cergy ou Pontoise ?
> 
> Ne vous fiez pas au siège de la préfecture ou du conseil départemental, car 
> le chef-lieu **officiel** (de jure) du département n'est que le siège d'une 
> sous-préfecture !
> 
> Si on doit choisir, laquelle des deux communes afficher comme elles sont 
> limitrophes ? ou afficher "Cergy-Pontoise" su un noeud fictif chef-lieu du 
> département (capital=6) ? Et placer alors la préfecture d'une part et la 
> sous-préfecture de l'autre, mais les deux avec capital=7 ???

C’est une réécriture de l’Histoire : lors de l’éclatement de la Seine-et-Oise, 
Cergy était une zone agricole. La préf. a été logée provisoirement à Pontoise, 
ancienne sous-préfecture, puis transférée d l’autre côté de l’A 15, toute seule 
au milieu d’une zone encore cultivée de Cergy. Le nom officiel de la préfecture 
est Cergy-Pontoise qui est aussi le nom de l’agglomération noouvelle, 
constituée d’une dizaine de communes.


Chrsistian R.
Ancien Seine-et-Oisien, ancien Valdoisien, ancien fonctionnaire de la 
préfecture de Cergy-Pntoise
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Re: [Talk-de] Liegenschaften des Bundesnachrichtendienstes

[Holger Jeromin]

Martin Koppenhoefer  Wrote in message:
> 
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
>> Il giorno 06 set 2016, alle ore 00:56, Tom Pfeifer  
>> ha scritto:
>> 
>> Wenn es denn eine Regierungsbehörde ist:
>> Es gibt ja die noch offenen Diskussionen im Bereich
>> - landuse=civic_admin
>> - landuse=institutional
> 
> 
> ich fände es besser, etwas spezifischer zu taggen, damit man auch semantisch 
> suchen kann und nicht nur über den Namen. So was wie 
> amenity=intelligence_service
> 
> 

Als key würde ich eher government statt amenity nutzen. 


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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] mappa escursionismo Ledro

[Luca Delucchi]

2016-09-06 15:40 GMT+02:00 Daniele :
> Grazie delle risposte appena sarò più libero con il lavoro mi dedicherò alla
> valutazione della fattibilità del progetto
>

se vuoi appena c'è lo stile online potrai usare quello

> Se Luca riesce a fare un tutorial ne sarei felice
>

più che un tutorial sarebbe più facile fare una lezione :-)

> Grazie ancora
>
> Daniele
>

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu FR... un peu de neuf

[osm . sanspourriel]

Je ne sais combien tu as galéré mais le résultat est nettement mieux.

Pour le niveau capital=7 (sous-préfectures), peux-tu regénérer le zoom 9 
: Châteaulin n'apparaît pas or la relation et le nœud ont bien capital=7:

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/test-rendu-osmfr_99740#9/48.2265/-4.3025

Est-il possible de placer ensuite selon la population (en fonction de la 
place) ?


En effet sur cette page actuellement on voit le hameau de St-Hernot mais 
pas Crozon qui a donné son nom à la presqu'île.


J'en entends certains qui disent qu'il faut faire apparaître 
Camaret-sur-Mer car la ville est célèbre pour son curé. Non, ce qui se 
mappe sur OSM, à Camaret, c'est la tour Vauban (patrimoine Unesco).


Jean-Yvon

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu FR... un peu de neuf

[Philippe Verdy]

Rien ne s'affiche pour l'instant (carte toute grise).

De plus on dirait que le zoom avant ou arrière saute maintenant par pas de
2 niveaux de zoom avec un seul cran molette, donc si on part au niveau 6,
on ne peut pas voir les 5 ou 7 ni aucun niveau impair et de toute façon je
ne vois qu'une "carte" toute grise quel que soit le niveau, aucune tuile ne
se charge)


Le 6 septembre 2016 à 23:43, Christian Quest  a
écrit :

> Le 6 septembre 2016 à 19:53, Tetsuo Shima  a écrit :
>
>> A propos des limites administratives ... il n'y a pas une probleme avec
>> la nouvelle région Auvergnes-Rhone-Alpes? Le libellé n'apparait pas au
>> niveau 7 ... et au niveau 8 on a un libellé double.
>>
>
> Pour le zoom 7, c'est un problème de place déjà prise par des noms de
> villes voisines... je vais retenter de faire varier la position du libellé
> de la région pour qu'il trouve un coin libre... le problème est un choix de
> priorité entre le nom de la région et le nom des villes. Je pense qu'au
> zoom 8 c'est plutôt les villes qui sont prioritaires.
>
> Pour le zoom 8, les tuiles n'ont pas été recalculées, je relance un
> calcul. Les anciennes régions ne devraient plus être visibles si c'est bien
> à ça que tu faisais référence.
>
> Sur les limites côtières, j'ai galéré, mais ça semble ok maintenant...
> plus de pointillés sauf à partir du zoom 12 pour les limites de communes:
> http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/test-rendu-osmfr_99740#
> 11/47.6020/-2.7909
>
> Bonne nouvelle pour Saint-Brieuc (entre autre), le tag capital est
> maintenant pris en compte jusqu'à capital=7 donc les sous-préfecture pour
> donner la priorité de rendu: http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/
> fr/map/test-rendu-osmfr_99740#6/46.649/1.835
>
> Le réseau routier avait disparu des zoom 10/11, il est revenu mais en
> version plus light qu'avant.
>
> Le détail est dans les commit sur github: https://github.com/cquest/
> osmfr-cartocss/commits/master
>
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[Talk-es] WikiProject Spain

[yo paseopor]

¡Gente!

Me dispongo a reorganizar la wiki española
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Spain, como ya ayudara a
hacer con la catalana (el resultado
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan)

Las ideas de inicio que me rondan por la cabeza son:

-Recopilación de todo lo existente sobre España y sus diversos territorios
en la wiki
-Apartados claros y breves
-Wiki ramificada, empezamos por una página principal y acabamos por una
ciudad, usando todas las posibilidades que OSM wiki nos da entre ellas
plantillas de ciudades, categorías,etc.
-Actualización del estado de los diversos proyectos
-Inclusión de enlaces y de todo aquello que se haga en España sobre OSM
-si teneis más las añadiís

Lo que después salga...el tiempo lo dirá. La wiki realmente será lo que
querais que sea , evidentmente no es mía ni lo pretendo, y si alguien sabe
más/mejor/tiene ganas le animo encarecidamente a que le meta mano, todos
tenemos usuario, todos podemos modificar.

Os animo a que hagais debate en esta lista, en el grupo de Telegram y que
digais ideas, de lo que quereis, de cómo lo quereis y, por supuesto, de lo
que querais.
También os he añadido un apartado al final de la página principal donde
podeis añadir todos los enlaces de dentro o fuera de la wiki que aporten
contenido ya hecho y por clasificar dentro de OSM España. Es una wiki
grande, y bastante antigua...la conozco poco, voy a necesitar muchas
"manos"...¿Me ayudais, por favor? ;)

Salut i wikis
yopaseopor

PD:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wG6Cgmgn5U
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu FR... un peu de neuf

[Philippe Verdy]

Au fait pour le 95, quel est le chef-lieu ? Cergy ou Pontoise ?

Ne vous fiez pas au siège de la préfecture ou du conseil départemental, car
le chef-lieu **officiel** (de jure) du département n'est que le siège d'une
sous-préfecture !

Si on doit choisir, laquelle des deux communes afficher comme elles sont
limitrophes ? ou afficher "Cergy-Pontoise" su un noeud fictif chef-lieu du
département (capital=6) ? Et placer alors la préfecture d'une part et la
sous-préfecture de l'autre, mais les deux avec capital=7 ???


Le 6 septembre 2016 à 23:43, Christian Quest  a
écrit :

> Le 6 septembre 2016 à 19:53, Tetsuo Shima  a écrit :
>
>> A propos des limites administratives ... il n'y a pas une probleme avec
>> la nouvelle région Auvergnes-Rhone-Alpes? Le libellé n'apparait pas au
>> niveau 7 ... et au niveau 8 on a un libellé double.
>>
>
> Pour le zoom 7, c'est un problème de place déjà prise par des noms de
> villes voisines... je vais retenter de faire varier la position du libellé
> de la région pour qu'il trouve un coin libre... le problème est un choix de
> priorité entre le nom de la région et le nom des villes. Je pense qu'au
> zoom 8 c'est plutôt les villes qui sont prioritaires.
>
> Pour le zoom 8, les tuiles n'ont pas été recalculées, je relance un
> calcul. Les anciennes régions ne devraient plus être visibles si c'est bien
> à ça que tu faisais référence.
>
> Sur les limites côtières, j'ai galéré, mais ça semble ok maintenant...
> plus de pointillés sauf à partir du zoom 12 pour les limites de communes:
> http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/test-rendu-osmfr_99740#
> 11/47.6020/-2.7909
>
> Bonne nouvelle pour Saint-Brieuc (entre autre), le tag capital est
> maintenant pris en compte jusqu'à capital=7 donc les sous-préfecture pour
> donner la priorité de rendu: http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/
> fr/map/test-rendu-osmfr_99740#6/46.649/1.835
>
> Le réseau routier avait disparu des zoom 10/11, il est revenu mais en
> version plus light qu'avant.
>
> Le détail est dans les commit sur github: https://github.com/cquest/
> osmfr-cartocss/commits/master
>
> --
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[Talk-de] Karlsruhe Hack Weekend Oktober

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

   hier die Wikiseite zum Hackweekend im Oktober:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Karlsruhe_Hack_Weekend_October_2016

Wie immer sind alle willkommen; eine fixe Agenda gibt es nicht, ausser,
die Teilnehmenden bringen eine mit ;)

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu FR... un peu de neuf

[Christian Quest]

Le 6 septembre 2016 à 19:53, Tetsuo Shima  a écrit :

> A propos des limites administratives ... il n'y a pas une probleme avec la
> nouvelle région Auvergnes-Rhone-Alpes? Le libellé n'apparait pas au niveau
> 7 ... et au niveau 8 on a un libellé double.
>

Pour le zoom 7, c'est un problème de place déjà prise par des noms de
villes voisines... je vais retenter de faire varier la position du libellé
de la région pour qu'il trouve un coin libre... le problème est un choix de
priorité entre le nom de la région et le nom des villes. Je pense qu'au
zoom 8 c'est plutôt les villes qui sont prioritaires.

Pour le zoom 8, les tuiles n'ont pas été recalculées, je relance un calcul.
Les anciennes régions ne devraient plus être visibles si c'est bien à ça
que tu faisais référence.

Sur les limites côtières, j'ai galéré, mais ça semble ok maintenant... plus
de pointillés sauf à partir du zoom 12 pour les limites de communes:
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/test-rendu-osmfr_99740#11/47.6020/-2.7909

Bonne nouvelle pour Saint-Brieuc (entre autre), le tag capital est
maintenant pris en compte jusqu'à capital=7 donc les sous-préfecture pour
donner la priorité de rendu:
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/test-rendu-osmfr_99740#6/46.649/1.835

Le réseau routier avait disparu des zoom 10/11, il est revenu mais en
version plus light qu'avant.

Le détail est dans les commit sur github:
https://github.com/cquest/osmfr-cartocss/commits/master

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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards - The Voting Has Started

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Ilya Zverev 
Date: Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 4:49 AM
Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards - The Voting Has Started
To: Talk Openstreetmap 


Hi everyone,

Some of you have submitted nominees for the OSM Awards, and two days ago we
(as in some members of CWG, SotMWG and the Board) have discussed them and
compiled a short list: five nominees for each category.

Now the final stage of the OSM Awards begins: please open the website,
http://awards.osmz.ru , and choose one nominee for each of the six
categories, who you think has contributed the most and deserves an award
slightly more than others.

Although it is a hard task: imo all of the shortlisted nominees deserve
praise. Thank you for what you are doing, please do not stop. And maybe
even not only shortlisted.

But this is an award, and it should have its winners, so now it is up to
you who receives the award on the Sunday of the State of the Map. So again,
go and vote:

http://awards.osmz.ru

You can alter your choice up until the voting closes, by September 22nd.

IZ

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Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 09/06/2016 11:01 PM, Elliott Plack wrote:
> Should we launch an automated edit, or some kind of batch process on OSM
> to clear the database `name=ITT Tech` (or similar) worldwide?

This is a discussion that has happened in the past when Domino's Pizza
has rebranded, or when the "Schlecker" drug store chain closed in Germany.

I think automated edits are not a good solution mainly for two reasons:

1. In many cases, the world doesn't change instantly at the behest of
some guy in marketing or legal. Individual locations might retain their
signage for various reasons and we map what's on the ground, not what's
in the franchise agreement. Individual shops of a closed-down brand
might remain open because of special local agreements that the automated
edit has no knowledge of.

2. If a chain is renamed or closed country-wide, and this change is not
reflected on OSM in one area, then this can be a valuable sign for lack
of mapper attention. A sign that has the best user interface of all:
Because for any map user, dealing with an outdated map is normal, and
the way you identify just *how* outdated something is is exactly by
looking at such things: "Ah, this map seems to be from a time then
Domino's was still called Domino's Pizza!" - Leaving these valuable
markers of outdated-ness in place tells the map user that this area
hasn't been touched for a while and that the other POIs in the vicinity
are likely also a bit aged. When a local mapper touches up the area they
will likely also update other things than just the closed-down shop, and
then the map will be current again. Automatically editing away something
country-wide hides the fact that the map lacks attention in an area.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On Tue, 2016-09-06 at 21:01 +, Elliott Plack wrote:
> Today, September 6, 2016, all ITT Tech campuses have closed due to a
> fallout with the federal government (read more:
> https://twitter.com/FOX59/status/773144554438524928 )

[...]

> Should we launch an automated edit, or some kind of batch process on
> OSM to clear the database `name=ITT Tech` (or similar) worldwide?
> Other online maps have begun removing ITT Tech locations from their
> directories. I do not know of a widely used method of closing a
> business on OSM other than deleting it. Personally, I think that
> collectively, as a community, we can turn these kind of news stories
> as a way to keep OSM fresh.

My understanding was that offices on the campuses will remain open while
they help the remaining students transfer elsewhere. I wouldn't go
deleting them until they have "for sale" or "for lease" signs posted on
them, or other similar signs that they are completely out of operation.
ITT Tech's website makes it clear they aren't taking any new students so
I think the impact on people being mistaken from seeing an ITT Tech
campus still "open" on OSM is minimal.

> On August 19, 2016, Apple Inc. rebranded all of their retail locations
> (FKA Apple Store) to simply, "Apple" (read
> more: http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/19/12537840/apple-store-rebranding ). 
> Further, some locations' storefront has no english text at all, just a 
> pictogram of an apple (the fruit). On their website, the naming convention 
> seems to be, "Apple [city name or mall name].

You are correct that the storefronts usually have no actual text, just
the logo. It's tricky to get this one right; personally, I think
name=Apple is the way to go, with the caveat that people will just have
to know the actual company offices are at 1 Infinite Loop in Cupertino,
CA, US, and not in hundreds of malls across the country. 

There is also have Domino's rebranding to get the "Pizza" out of its
name, and (local to Houston, TX, US) James Coney Island rebranding to
JCI Grill. The former, I am pretty sure is a done deal by now. On the
latter, I'm not sure if they are done rebranding chain-wide yet.

We also need to confirm any remaining Cookie Bouquet locations, as these
were supposed to have rebranded to Cookies By Design by now.

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[Talk-es] Convocatoria 2 quedada OSM-es

[Alejandro S.]

Hola a todos!

Ya ha concluido la primera quedad para hablar de reactivar OSM España. En
breve se publicará el acta de la misma.

Hemos decidido hacer una "reunión" mensual, siempre el mismo día (por
ejemplo el primer martes del mes), para que sea una manera de tener una
fecha fija y no haya que decidir cada vez.

Aquí va el último dudle[0], que marcará la fecha de la próxima reunión y
las siguientes.

[0]: https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/osm-es/

Saludos,
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[Talk-us] Deleting / Closing / Renaming all places in a chain

[Elliott Plack]

Today, September 6, 2016, all ITT Tech campuses have closed due to a
fallout with the federal government (read more:
https://twitter.com/FOX59/status/773144554438524928 )

On August 19, 2016, Apple Inc. rebranded all of their retail locations (FKA
Apple Store) to simply, "Apple" (read more:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/19/12537840/apple-store-rebranding ).
Further, some locations' storefront has no english text at all, just a
pictogram of an apple (the fruit). On their website, the naming convention
seems to be, "Apple [city name or mall name].

Should we launch an automated edit, or some kind of batch process on OSM to
clear the database `name=ITT Tech` (or similar) worldwide? Other online
maps have begun removing ITT Tech locations from their directories. I do
not know of a widely used method of closing a business on OSM other than
deleting it. Personally, I think that collectively, as a community, we can
turn these kind of news stories as a way to keep OSM fresh.

Similarly, should we launch an automated edit to rename all Apple Stores to
[picture of apple] or "Apple". Perhaps it should be `short_name={picture of
apple}`

What are the best practices for closing businesses, and what do you suggest
we do about ITT Tech and Apple?

Best,

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[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards - The Voting Has Started

[Ilya Zverev]

Hi everyone,

Some of you have submitted nominees for the OSM Awards, and two days ago 
we (as in some members of CWG, SotMWG and the Board) have discussed them 
and compiled a short list: five nominees for each category.


Now the final stage of the OSM Awards begins: please open the website, 
http://awards.osmz.ru , and choose one nominee for each of the six 
categories, who you think has contributed the most and deserves an award 
slightly more than others.


Although it is a hard task: imo all of the shortlisted nominees deserve 
praise. Thank you for what you are doing, please do not stop. And maybe 
even not only shortlisted.


But this is an award, and it should have its winners, so now it is up to 
you who receives the award on the Sunday of the State of the Map. So 
again, go and vote:


http://awards.osmz.ru

You can alter your choice up until the voting closes, by September 22nd.

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Re: [Talk-de] Mitteldeutsche Schleife -> reg_name ?

[Florian Lohoff]

On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 06:09:32PM +0200, "Christian Müller" wrote:
> b) Mit regionalen Namen verhält sich das auf fraktale Weise genauso,
> du musst nur ein bisschen "reinzoomen".  Sie wirken auf dich befremd-
> lich, weil du nicht aus der Region stammst.  Doch ist es gerade die
> Region (der Landstrich, das Dort, die Stadt, der Ort), die einen
> allgemeinen Namen häufigst bestimmt und diesen dann hinausträgt!?

Ich glaube was er meint ist das wenn der "name" bestehen bleibt es eine
massive abweichung von Beschilderung zu Navigationsansagen gibt. Ich
fände das sehr irritierend wenn man Navi mir sagt in 300m rechts auf die
"Mitteldeutsche Schleife" da aber nur die A14 drauf steht.  Dann würde
ich ggfs mal dran vorbei fahren ob vielleicht direkt dahinter noch eine
Abfahrt kommt. Daher - Man sollte da schon sehr präzise sein was
im name= steht.

Der name= tag sollte das beinhalten was auch beschildert ist. Was dann
in loc_name=, reg_name= noch so drin steht ist dann ja relativ egal.
Das hilft dann beim wiederfinden via Nominatim aber verwirrt nicht.

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Re: [Talk-at] Taxi Bruckbacher

[Günther Zinsberger]

Hallo!

Am 2016-09-05 um 09:52 schrieb lois spitz:

Hallo,
Diese Fahrzeuge kenne ich auch. Über die Beklebung habe ich schon länger 
gerätselt, aber mir ist es immeretwas fremd  vorgekommen.
Wenn man beim Auto hinten oben schaut, sieht man die Gutenbergerstrasse. Die 
vier Häuser haben am Bild jeweils eine Hauseinfahrt eingezeichnet, aber in OSM 
sind diese nicht erfasst.
Ich bin diesen Hauseinfahrten ein wenig nachgegangen. Der "way" 
Gutenbergstraße hat ja zufällig genau bei den Einfahrten "nodes" 
gesetzt. Jetzt bin ich mal davon ausgegangen, dass da vor einiger Zeit 
noch andere Ways an diesen Nodes dran waren, die dann gelöscht worden 
sein könnten.


Mangels besserer Ideen habe ich die Stelle in Potlatch 1 gesucht und bin 
mit "U" in den Undelete-Modus gewechselt. Dort wurden mir dann nach ein 
paar Sekunden auch diese Ways angezeigt, die anscheinend seither 
gelöscht worden sind.


Bei mir hat das dann so ausgeschaut (großer Zoom auf die Gutenbergstraße):
http://zinsberger.org/osminfo/sattledt-gutenberg.png
Die Ähnlichkeit ist doch sehr gegeben finde ich.

In Potlatch konnte man auch die IDs ansehen. Hier Links mit den IDs:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/149242689
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/149242705
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/149242714
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/149242720

Alles gelöscht vor 10 Monaten in Changeset 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35306179


Das "fremd" dürfte anscheinend nur mit den Farben zu tun haben, das 
dürfte an den mancherorts bekannten Google-Style angelehnt sein.


Beste Grüße,
Günther

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Vector Tiles: ODbL and non-free data

[Michael Steffen]

Hi Tobias - :) I will get in trouble with my team if I veer into a pricing
discussion, but like I said, shoot me an email with what you're working on,
and I can at least connect you with the right folks to talk to.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Tobias Wendorff <
tobias.wendo...@tu-dortmund.de> wrote:

> Am Di, 6.09.2016, 20:14 schrieb Michael Steffen:
> >
> > We have hundreds of customers hosting their own private data on our
> secure
> > infrastructure. Many customers are also hosting private data that they
> > license from 3rd parties.  Give me a holler if you want to talk. Good
> post
> > about private maps
> > https://www.mapbox.com/blog/private-maps-data-encryption/
>
> That's offtopic, but private maps are available on the $499/month package
> only. Pardon, but that's nothing reasonable for most of the projects.
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Re: [Talk-it] Sardinian vs Italian names

[Marco Ciampa]

On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 11:12:45AM -0700, Aury88 wrote:
> l'unica cosa a cui tengo è l'uniformità dei dati e, fortunatamente, esistono
> già casi di doppia dominazione in italia...a prescindere da cosa si deciderà
> se per la doppio value o meno personalmente voterò contro qualsiasi proposta
> non sia conforme allo stile di mappatura in OSM già usato sul territorio
> italiano.. e cioè, nel caso dell'idea di mettere la doppia nominazione,
> voterò contro qualsiasi proposta che preveda caratteri separatori differenti
> da quelli utilizzati per i value in italia .

Perfettamente d'accordo.

> A tal proposito faccio notare che, a differenza di quanto da alcuni di voi
> affermato, la situazione in sardegna non è assolutamente mappata come in
> altre regioni...in trentino solo il nome della regione in due lingue è
> separato da /

Solo una precisazione.

Penso che tu, per Trentino, ti riferisca alla

 "Regione Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol"

(questo è il nome ufficiale), vedi:

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino-Alto_Adige

se non ho preso un grande abbaglio.

Il trattino separa le due province (autonome che, di fatto, hanno
competenze paragonabili a due regioni autonome indipendenti anche se c'è
anche la regione che ha però pochissime competenze) mentre in tutta la la
toponomastica dell'Alto Adige / Südtirol i due nomi sono presenti (in
buona parte del Trentino i cartelli sono tutti in Italiano come in
qualsiasi altra regione d'Italia) ma separati dal ritorno a capo, che non
saprei come deve essere reso in OSM "ufficialmente".

> (come anche in valle d'aosta) ma i comuni hanno il doppio
> value separato da " - " (spazio trattino spazio)

> in parte questo ma soprattutto questo continuo cambiare i tag che
> influiscono sul render (che consuma risorse ma chissene vero?) onestamente
> mi fa sospettare che qui la mappa e il progetto siano passati in secondo
> piano e siano semplicemente diventati un territorio in cui portare avanti
> una battaglia ideologica che a me, come neanche credo alla comunità globale
> OSM che mette a disposizione questa mappa gli strumenti e le risorse, frega
> assolutamente nulla.

Per l'Alto Adige immagino ne abbiano discusso e credo che la conclusione
sia nella mappa ma forse da qualche parte c'è scritto il motivo della
scelta.

> comunque sia ho voluto fare questa precisazione su come voterò prima di
> venir ancora accusato di "scorrettezza" perchè "decido" da "esterno" qualora
> fossi costretto a votare per soluzioni che non trovano d'accordo una
> determinata parte della comunità.

Perfettamente d'accordo.

> spero che comunque da tutto questo macello escano fuori finalmente regole
> per quanto riguarda le votazioni, la loro durata, dove devo essere fatte ecc
> ecc.

Io spero che per lo meno si giunga ad una uniformità per i separatori... :-/
 
> e in tutto questo casino sui nomi delle comunità locali in una o due lingue
> ho notato che la sardegna è l'unica regione in cui non compare il nome della
> regione ma al suo posto spicca un bel "Italia"non so...la cosa mi ha
> fatto parecchio ridere xD

Buffo, spero una coincidenza...

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Vector Tiles: ODbL and non-free data

[Tobias Wendorff]

Am Di, 6.09.2016, 20:14 schrieb Michael Steffen:
>
> We have hundreds of customers hosting their own private data on our secure
> infrastructure. Many customers are also hosting private data that they
> license from 3rd parties.  Give me a holler if you want to talk. Good post
> about private maps
> https://www.mapbox.com/blog/private-maps-data-encryption/

That's offtopic, but private maps are available on the $499/month package
only. Pardon, but that's nothing reasonable for most of the projects.


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Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 103, Issue 22

[Loïc Haméon]

Salut Dega, merci beaucoup pour ton offre!

Il y a deux zones de traces du genre assez concentrées, toutes deux au
centre-ville de Saint-Félicien (Lac Saint-Jean). L'une est dans le parc du
Sacré-Coeur, en face de l'église (boulevard Sacré-Coeur, entre les rues
Saint-Antoine et Monseigneur-Bluteau, et l'autre plus au sud-est, près de
la boulangerie Moisson d'or (boulevard Sacré-Coeur, entre les rues
Notre-Dame et Saint-Jean Baptiste).

Tu me diras quels outils tu utilise pour ta tentative, ça me permettra
d'apprendre à le faire moi-même pour la prochaine fois! Je ne vois aucune
façon d'interagir avec ces traces dans ID, et je ne sais pas encore comment
afficher les traces GPS publiques d'OSM dans JOSM, seulement celles que j'y
insère moi-même...





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> Je peux tenter de t'aider pour trouver des informations à propos de ton
> amateur de mikado. Pourrais-tu me fournir les coordonnées (2 rues ou
> lat/lon)
> de cette trace?
> Je ne te promet rien. Je n'ai jamais fait une telle recherche.
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Re: [Talk-it] Sardinian vs Italian names

[Germano Massullo]

Il 06 set 2016 8:14 PM, "Aury88"  ha scritto:
> mi fa sospettare che qui la mappa e il progetto siano passati in secondo
> piano e siano semplicemente diventati un territorio in cui portare avanti
> una battaglia ideologica che a me, come neanche credo alla comunità
globale
> OSM che mette a disposizione questa mappa gli strumenti e le risorse,
frega
> assolutamente nulla.

A voler essere cattivi aggiungerei che, di alcune delle persone coinvolte
nella discussione, non c'è traccia di account OSM e relative modifiche ;-)
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Vector Tiles: ODbL and non-free data

[Michael Steffen]

Hi Tobias - The rendered image is a Produced Work (no different than a
printed map), so the combination is fine. There's no real difference vs
rendering a combined image from raster tiles.

We have hundreds of customers hosting their own private data on our secure
infrastructure. Many customers are also hosting private data that they
license from 3rd parties.  Give me a holler if you want to talk. Good post
about private maps https://www.mapbox.com/blog/private-maps-data-encryption/
.





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> Am Di, 6.09.2016, 17:33 schrieb Michael Steffen:
> >
> > This should be totally fine. Feel free to reach out directly if you
> > want to talk in more detail.
>
> Yeah, I might contact you in the next days. A problem could be that I
> have to upload the non-free data to Mapbox. This might violate the data's
> copyright.
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Re: [Talk-it] Sardinian vs Italian names

[Aury88]

l'unica cosa a cui tengo è l'uniformità dei dati e, fortunatamente, esistono
già casi di doppia dominazione in italia...a prescindere da cosa si deciderà
se per la doppio value o meno personalmente voterò contro qualsiasi proposta
non sia conforme allo stile di mappatura in OSM già usato sul territorio
italiano.. e cioè, nel caso dell'idea di mettere la doppia nominazione,
voterò contro qualsiasi proposta che preveda caratteri separatori differenti
da quelli utilizzati per i value in italia .
A tal proposito faccio notare che, a differenza di quanto da alcuni di voi
affermato, la situazione in sardegna non è assolutamente mappata come in
altre regioni...in trentino solo il nome della regione in due lingue è
separato da / (come anche in valle d'aosta) ma i comuni hanno il doppio
value separato da " - " (spazio trattino spazio)
in parte questo ma soprattutto questo continuo cambiare i tag che
influiscono sul render (che consuma risorse ma chissene vero?) onestamente
mi fa sospettare che qui la mappa e il progetto siano passati in secondo
piano e siano semplicemente diventati un territorio in cui portare avanti
una battaglia ideologica che a me, come neanche credo alla comunità globale
OSM che mette a disposizione questa mappa gli strumenti e le risorse, frega
assolutamente nulla.

comunque sia ho voluto fare questa precisazione su come voterò prima di
venir ancora accusato di "scorrettezza" perchè "decido" da "esterno" qualora
fossi costretto a votare per soluzioni che non trovano d'accordo una
determinata parte della comunità.
spero che comunque da tutto questo macello escano fuori finalmente regole
per quanto riguarda le votazioni, la loro durata, dove devo essere fatte ecc
ecc

e in tutto questo casino sui nomi delle comunità locali in una o due lingue
ho notato che la sardegna è l'unica regione in cui non compare il nome della
regione ma al suo posto spicca un bel "Italia"non so...la cosa mi ha
fatto parecchio ridere xD



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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenDroneMap and Portable OSM (POSM)

[Dan Joseph]

Hi Oleksiy,
Thanks for all the links and materials. Lots of good points. Looking
forward to reading through it.
All the best,
Dan

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Oleksiy Muzalyev <
oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch> wrote:

> On 02/09/16 22:06, Dan Joseph wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> The American Red Cross GIS Team is constantly looking for new ways to
> improve our workflows and learn from the OpenStreetMap and FOSS4G
> communities. The vast majority of the GIS analysis and map making we do is
> done using FOSS4G tools and we strive to be effective contributors as well
> as consumers.
>
> We've supported the development of Portable OSM (POSM  AmericanRedCross/posm> as an affordable (can be run on hardware costing
> less than $300) solution to make OpenStreetMap, OpenMapKit, and Field
> Papers available for deployments in connectivity-limited environments. POSM
> consolidates cloud-based tools into a portable server that acts as a
> temporary local data hub for digital mapping, surveying, and field media
> collection.
>
> The next stage of development is working with the folks at Stamen to
> incorporate OpenDroneMap (for processing UAV imagery) into the stack of
> software available for installation on a POSM. We'd love to hear your
> thoughts, concerns, use-cases, and other comments. Send us an email or
> leave an issue on the POSM GitHub repository  americanredcross/posm/issues>.
>
> - Dan Joseph
>
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> I use RPAS (remotely piloted aircraft systems) quite a lot for aerial
> photography and videography, both multirotor and fixed-wing. I fly in
> geographical regions for which there are orthorectified images, so I make
> mostly oblique aerial photographs and aerial videos. In Google Map there is
> a feature that one can see how many times his uploaded images were viewed.
> So I uploaded some of them to Google Maps to see if people are interested
> to view such oblique aerial images in relation to a map location. The
> result is six hundred aerial images were viewed more than seven million
> times already [1]. So it seems there is an interest.
>
> I also add aerial images and aerial videos to Wikipedia and then add
> wikipedia tag to the OSM map [2].
>
> The main issue with using a multirotor (quadcopter) for aerial photography
> is that its range is only 2 - 3 kilometers. It takes several hours to drive
> to an object and then it takes just twenty minutes to film it from the air.
> There is already technology with the long range of 40 and more kilometers,
> for example Dragonlink V3 [3]. For such a long range it would be already
> not a quad but a fixed-wing aircraft, and electric glider.
>
> Instead of long driving by car an electric glider could fly directly to an
> object and make aerial images and video. Glider has got only one motor and
> on a quiet day it does not even need it all the time, just to climb, and
> then it can glide for a while without a motor.
>
> But to pilot a long range RPAS one would need a special Permit for the
> operation of drones without direct eye contact [4]. And to obtain such a
> permit there should be an internal formal training and internal
> certification. A pilot of long range RPAS must know meteorology, weather
> patterns, know how to make defensive maneuvers in case of a large bird
> attack (not to hurt a protected bird and not to crash a RPAS), how to react
> to low flying manned aircraft, and many other things.
>
> Dragonlink V3 costs 336 USD, an electric glider with the wing span of two
> or more meters capable to carry a GoPro (or better) camera costs from 179.-
> USD [5]. So it is affordable and doable. With the range of 40+ km the
> aerial photography becomes scalable, and it has got a potential to change
> mapping. However, having a background in civil aviation [6], I am aware
> that for successful safe operations the formal training and certification
> are essential. Civil aviation authorities of a country should see that this
> is a serious organization, with a serious approach, otherwise no one will
> let us into an airspace.
>
> There is a special equipment for training readily available. For example,
> popular Spektrum and Futaba radio controllers have got wireless
> instructor-student link, so a student can pilot an RPAS without any risk,
> as an instructor can take control any moment.
>
> [1] https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/101802068168905320382/
> photos/@46.4410425,16.1201149,6z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m3!8m2!3m1!1e1
>
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyon_Castle (same video on youtube
> https://youtu.be/GsSVZfiJFnA )
>  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nyon-Castle-aerial-1.jpg
>
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi_fortress (same
> video on youtube https://youtu.be/C-kQjmzlY7A )
>  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Akkerman-fortress-
> aerial-1.jpg
>  etc.
>
> [3] http://dragonlinkrc.com/
>
> [4] https://www.bazl.admin.ch/bazl/en/home/good-to-know%20/
> 

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenDroneMap and Portable OSM (POSM)

[Dan Joseph]

Hi Rob,

Yes, that's the general plan. A more detailed overview of our initial
development goals are as follows:

1.Integrating OpenDroneMap with POSM:
○Installing and configuring ODM components within the POSM base system
○Determining approximate limitations on the number of source photos
that can be handled by standard POSM hardware
2.Uploading images:
○Raw image upload (unprocessed images sourced from a sUAS) using a web
form and/or fileshare
○Copying / uploading post-processed GeoTIFFs to POSM using a web form
and/or fileshare
3.GeoTIFF processing (externally sourced scenes and/or output from ODM):
○Chunking input images into Web Mercator tiles at the TMS zoom level
most closely corresponding to its native resolution
○Pyramiding (downsampling and merging) of generated tiles to produce
tiles for all appropriate zooms
4.Simple web interface for managing processing pipelines:
○Display progress in a web view while processing proceeds
○Permit cancellation, restart of ODM and tile processing
5.Consumption of tiled imagery for digitization through iD, etc:
○Output an MBTiles archive suitable for downloading, excerpting,
sharing with other tools, and serving up as an online TMS

People from both Red Cross and Stamen will be at SOTM.

All the best,
Dan


On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Rob Nickerson 
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> Hi Dan,
>
> Is the aim that you can send a drone up to collect images and have them
> automatically processed, stitched together and added to POSM (for later
> upload online)? I can see that being useful for communities the world over.
> We (my local team) have talked about testing drones but we aren't a
> particularly technical group so would struggle with the image processing.
> If POSM did it all for us then that would be amazing!
>
> Looking forward to hearing more about POSM at State of the Map Brussels.
>
> *Rob*
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Re: [Talk-es] Asociación OSM España

[Santiago Crespo]

Hola,

En unos 20 minutos (a las 20:30) empezaremos la reunión para acordar las
funciones que queremos hacer como Asociación.

El orden del día está aquí: https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/osm-es

Para participar, hay que seleccionar el canal #osm-es, escribir el nick
o vuestro nombre real todo junto y darle al botón "Login":

http://irc.openstreetmap.org

¡Hasta ahora!
Santiago Crespo

On 09/04/2016 09:03 PM, Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso wrote:
> Yo ando pendiente de si tengo otra reunión o no el martes. Si no la
> tengo, o si la acabo pronto, el martes me conecto al Hangouts o IRC.
> 
> Un saludo.
> 
> 
> El dom., 4 sept. 2016 20:58, Santiago Crespo  > escribió:
> 
> No es muy "directo" el enlace, hay que seleccionar el canal #osm-es,
> escribir el nick o vuestro nombre real todo junto y darle al botón
> "Login":
> 
> http://irc.openstreetmap.org
> 
> No hace falta registrarse.
> 
> Sobre el hangout adicional, creo que debemos usar una cosa o la otra.
> Personalmente prefiero IRC porque me parece más fácil de organizar. Si
> alguien se ofrece a organizar un hangout en lugar del IRC, por mi bien.
> 
> Escribiré un recordatorio a esta lista unos 20 minutos antes de empezar.
> 
> Hasta el martes!
> Santiago Crespo
> 
> On 09/04/2016 01:35 PM, pcvalverde wrote:
> > Santiago por mi tambien perfecto que moderes y ademas tambien me
> parece
> > bien la opcion de enlace directo que plantea Miguel
> >
> > Por lo demas nos "vemos" el martes.ç
> >
> > SaludOSM
> >
> > Pepe
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Miguel Sevilla-Callejo  >
> > *To:* Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap
> >  >
> > *Sent:* Saturday, September 03, 2016 11:44 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-es] Asociación OSM España
> >
> > Santiago, por mi perfecto que moderes el evento.
> >
> > Existe la opción de poner enlace directo al canal de IRC, no?
> >
> > Intentaremos Hangout adicional? Por mi bien igualmente.
> >
> > Avisaré por Telegram de ello (por si acaso) en el momento.
> >
> > Como sugerencia creo es útil Telegram pero, como suelo
> insistir por
> > esa vía, la lista de correos es lo mejor para comunicarse (si
> no es
> > algo inmediato).
> >
> > Nos vemos
> >
> > --
> >  Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
> > from my mobile 
> >
> >
> > El 2/9/2016 23:45, "Santiago Crespo"
> 
> >  >> escribió:
> >
> > Si queréis modero la reunión.
> >
> > He dividido el orden del día como hablamos.
> >
> > Por mi que sea en el IRC porque no hace falta registrarse. Si
> > hace falta
> > me meto al grupo.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Santiago Crespo
> >
> > On 09/02/2016 10:48 PM, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo wrote:
> > > Contad conmigo para lo del martes a las 20.30.
> > >
> > > ¿Quien puede hacer de coordinador del evento? Lo digo por
> > iniciar el
> > > Hangout o estar atento del IRC/lo que sea el primero. Yo me
> > conectaré
> > > justo a la hora.
> > >
> > > Estamos todos los que podemos/interesados en el grupo de
> > Telegram o nos
> > > vemos en IRC??
> > >
> > > Nos vemos
> > >
> > > --
> > >  Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
> > > from my mobile 
> > >
> > >
> > > El 1/9/2016 10:54, "Pepe Casado"  
> > >
> > >     > escribió:
> > >
> > > Hola, si no hay contratiempo estaré en lo del martes.
> > >
> > > Y en lo de Zaragoza estoy mirando como organizarme pero
> > creo que al
> > > menos el sábado estaré por allí
> > >
> > > SaludOSM
> > >
> > > Pepe Casado
> > >
> > >
> > > El 30 ago. 2016 17:36, "Alejandro S."
> > 
> >
> > > 

Re: [Talk-GB] Composite mapping (OSM and OS, PRoWs etc)

[SK53]

I have done this on an *ad hoc* basis using QGIS but have never managed to
transfer the process successfully to PostGIS.

I think Nick Whitlegg does this for his Android walking app with coverage
of several counties in Southern England.

It's fundamentally much easier to show the difference than to convert that
into suitable file formats (see the recent blog post about missing roads in
Brazil which describes exactly this issue).

FWIW. What I do is :


   - Pull in the whole highway network from OSM
   - Buffer it by some magic number (10-25 metres)
   - Find all PRoWs which are within the buffers.
   - Repeat on last dataset for highways with designation tag.


Then one wants to do differences between all PROWS and PROWS matched to OSM
& those lines and ones matched on designation.

I have a very crude mkgmap script which takes the output and draws thick
lines in various colours as a transparent overlay for a Garmin device.

With PostGIS I have run into various problems including non-noded
intersection errors in the latter steps. So I have never automated the
process. However, for smallish data sets, e.g., all paths within 5-10 miles
of a centroid (one can use Overpass to grab the data) it's quick enough to
run the evening before venturing out.

Cheers,

Jerry

On 6 September 2016 at 18:46, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <
robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6 September 2016 at 18:22, Dave F  wrote:
> > As a by-product of the PROW comparison, would it be possible to create a
> > list (Geojson?) of paths not in OSM but in LA's definitive maps? It's
>
> I don't know if you've seen it, but I've had a go at developing a
> comparison tool for PRoWs myself:
> http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/prow/progress/
>
> The tool currently only covers Norfolk and Suffolk, but it could be
> extended further afield if suitably licensed and formatted data is
> available. There are also several missing features (in particular the
> ability for anyone other than me to update the mapping completion
> status of each route in the tool). But hopefully it's still useful to
> people in it's current state. Other suggestions for improvements would
> be welcome.
>
> Robert.
>
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Vector Tiles: ODbL and non-free data

[Tobias Wendorff]

Am Di, 6.09.2016, 18:34 schrieb Jeffrey Johnson:
> Tobias, note there are a few options for serving your own MVT pbf
> tiles outside of the mapbox ecosystem. Check projects like
> https://github.com/pka/t-rex and https://github.com/terranodo/tegola

Thanks! I'll play around on my machine with this. Mapbox is nice, but
too "closed" for some projects.

> Also, we just setup a Vector Tiles list on osgeo to discuss this type
> of thing. https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/vector-tiles There
> was a great BoF at FOSS4G Bonn and this type of question came up
> already.

Yeah, I've watched some of the videos. Thanks for the hint.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu FR... un peu de neuf

[Tetsuo Shima]

A propos des limites administratives ... il n'y a pas une probleme avec la
nouvelle région Auvergnes-Rhone-Alpes? Le libellé n'apparait pas au niveau
7 ... et au niveau 8 on a un libellé double.

Le 1 septembre 2016 à 09:14, Christian Quest  a
écrit :

> Pas mal de petites modifications sur le rendu FR sont en test.
>
> Vous pouvez voir où j'en suis sur http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/f
> r/map/test-rendu-osmfr_99740
>
> Quoi de neuf ?
>
> - de nouvelles icônes pour les commerces
>
> - des labels de taille et de couleur variant avec la taille du polygone
> qu'ils décrivent (texte en vert pour une forêt, plus gros si la forêt est
> grande, etc)
>
> - amélioration des frontières... les pointillés ne devraient plus se
> mélanger comme avant, les noms ne devraient plus être coupés en bord de
> metatile
>
> - harmonisation des largeurs de routes et réorganisation du tracé des
> layers 1-5
>
>
> Au delà de ces modifications visibles, il y a pas mal de nettoyage des
> fichiers de la feuille de style pour faciliter sa mise à jour. Quelques
> améliorations aussi sur les requêtes SQL (une bonne dizaine de requêtes de
> moins par exemple sur le tracé des 5 niveaux de layer).
>
> Bref, beaucoup de changements (le détail est sur
> https://github.com/cquest/osmfr-cartocss/commits/master) qui ont pu
> casser ici ou là des choses que je n'ai pas pu voir, donc si il y a des
> anomalies merci de les signaler avec l'URL sur cette carte umap (qui
> contient le zoom et les coordonnées).
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Re: [Talk-GB] Composite mapping (OSM and OS, PRoWs etc)

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 6 September 2016 at 18:22, Dave F  wrote:
> As a by-product of the PROW comparison, would it be possible to create a
> list (Geojson?) of paths not in OSM but in LA's definitive maps? It's

I don't know if you've seen it, but I've had a go at developing a
comparison tool for PRoWs myself:
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/prow/progress/

The tool currently only covers Norfolk and Suffolk, but it could be
extended further afield if suitably licensed and formatted data is
available. There are also several missing features (in particular the
ability for anyone other than me to update the mapping completion
status of each route in the tool). But hopefully it's still useful to
people in it's current state. Other suggestions for improvements would
be welcome.

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Composite mapping (OSM and OS, PRoWs etc)

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 6 September 2016 at 16:53, Dan S  wrote:
> Looking good! Is there a key? Would help to make sense of the various
> footpath markings etc

That does look really nice. I particularly like the long-distance
cycling and walking routes being shown. Maybe decrease the dot spacing
a bit at higher zooms though.

Are Public Rights of Way actually shown with specific markings,
separate from other paths/tracks with access tags set? I couldn't seem
to see anything obvious to distinguish them in the areas I just looked
at.

I noticed some some slight glitches in the road cartography caused by
the square ends of ways. Where a side road meets a main road at a
non-right-angle, you sometimes see a corner of the side road sticking
out on the other side of the main road.

Feature request: it would be nice to have a way to output the full
grid reference of a location on the map. Perhaps have a continuously
updated grid reference in one corner displaying the current location
of the mouse, and allow it to be frozen (for copying) by a single
click.

Best wishes,

Robert.

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Re: [OSM-talk] SotM 2016: Brussels

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi,

Attending State of the Map 2016? It's not all about the talks - some of the
best ideas come from the chance meeting / crazy ideas-lab sessions. You can
share your ideas for informal meetings (Birds of a Feather sessions) online
so that you can start to discuss and gather interest:

https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/09/06/gather-your-birds-of-a-feather-at-state-of-the-map/

See you in Belgium!

Best,

*Rob*

On 4 September 2016 at 23:42, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It is just over 2 weeks until we meet in Brussels for State of the Map
> 2016. This will be our (OSMF's) largest event to date surpassing that of
> Birmingham in 2013.
>
> If you have not done so already please book your tickets:
> https://join.osmfoundation.org/state-of-the-map-2016/
>
> By booking your tickets early you assist us in purchasing the correct
> volume of t-shirts, guidebooks and food.
>
> See you in Belgium!
>
> Regards,
> *Rob*
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Re: [Talk-GB] SotM 2016: Brussels

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi,

Attending State of the Map 2016? It's not all about the talks - some of the
best ideas come from the chance meeting / crazy ideas-lab sessions. You can
share your ideas for informal meetings (Birds of a Feather sessions) online
so that you can start to discuss and gather interest:

https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/09/06/gather-your-birds-of-a-feather-at-state-of-the-map/

See you in Belgium!

Best,

*Rob*

On 4 September 2016 at 23:42, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It is just over 2 weeks until we meet in Brussels for State of the Map
> 2016. This will be our (OSMF's) largest event to date surpassing that of
> Birmingham in 2013.
>
> If you have not done so already please book your tickets:
> https://join.osmfoundation.org/state-of-the-map-2016/
>
> By booking your tickets early you assist us in purchasing the correct
> volume of t-shirts, guidebooks and food.
>
> See you in Belgium!
>
> Regards,
> *Rob*
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Re: [Talk-GB] Composite mapping (OSM and OS, PRoWs etc)

[Dave F]

Looks very interesting. Has a bit of a 'Series 7' look to it, which I like.

Could you add a permalink, primarily so any specific queries/problems 
can be clearly identified?


It appears to render OS filed boundaries as grey short dashed lines. Is 
this intentional?


As a by-product of the PROW comparison, would it be possible to create a 
list (Geojson?) of paths not in OSM but in LA's definitive maps? It's 
something I always thought would be helpful to complete PROWS.


Looking forward to the full release.

Dave F.

On 06/09/2016 16:02, Luke Smith wrote:
I mentioned a while back that grough was developing a composite map, 
blending OSM data with OS OpenData to fill in the gaps, and using 
public rights of way data directly from the local authorities which 
have released it. Over time, hopefully we will rely progressively less 
on other data sources.


I'm happy to say there's now a beta available, at http://geo.gy/ with 
more details about the project at http://map.grough.co.uk/.


There'll also soon be a 3D version available, building on the 
prototype at http://3d.geo.gy/ to cover all of Great Britain and 
improve the controls.


The source code behind generating the maps is open source, although 
not suitable for on-the-fly tile generation because of the 
preprocessing. The idea was to create a map which could be printed and 
used at a fixed scale (1:25,000 scale), with labels moved around to 
avoid obscuring detail etc.


If anyone has comments or advice for us, it would be gratefully 
received. We're aware of some issues already, so this is only a beta 
release. Similarly if anyone would like to use the maps, we'd be more 
than happy to help if you run into problems.


Luke



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Re: [Talk-it] Sardinian vs Italian names

[Aury88]

Carlo Stemberger-3 wrote
> Il giorno 6 settembre 2016 15:24, Fayor Uno 

> fayor1@

>  ha scritto:
> 
>> Non siamo più al tempo delle dittature, dei regimi centralizzati o delle
>> imposizioni governative.
>>
> 
> Mi è permesso sghignazzare?
> 
> Carlo

Ma certamentea tuo rischio e pericolo xD




-
Ciao,
Aury
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Re: [Talk-de] Mitteldeutsche Schleife -> reg_name ?

[Christian Müller]

> Gesendet: Dienstag, 06. September 2016 um 00:41 Uhr
> Von: "Tom Pfeifer" 
> An: "Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch" 
> Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Mitteldeutsche Schleife -> reg_name ?
>
> auf den Einzelautobahnen finde ich es irritierend.

Hier ist noch eine Bezeichnung, die dich evtl. irritiert:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3157/13.7972

"Autobahn der Freiheit"

Ganz ehrlich:  Habe ich noch nie gehört!  Trotzdem
käme ich wohl nicht auf die Idee, dieses Nomen den
Berlinern streitig zu machen.

Diskutieren ließe sich auch über die zusammenge-
setzen Ortsbezeichnungen auf dem "Berliner Ring"

"Östlicher Berliner Ring"
"Südlicher Berliner Ring"
..

sind zusammengesetzte Lagebezeichnungen, das als
"name" zu verwenden finde ich eher irritierend.

Da könnte ebenso gut jeder Innenstadtring in vier
(oder mehr) Teile untergliedert und separat be-
namt werden.  Dennoch sehe ich hier keinen Änder-
ungsbedarf:  Schonmal probiert Berlinern vorzu-
schreiben, wie sie zu quatschen haben? :)


Gruß
Christian

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Vector Tiles: ODbL and non-free data

[Jeffrey Johnson]

Tobias, note there are a few options for serving your own MVT pbf
tiles outside of the mapbox ecosystem. Check projects like
https://github.com/pka/t-rex and https://github.com/terranodo/tegola

Also, we just setup a Vector Tiles list on osgeo to discuss this type
of thing. https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/vector-tiles There
was a great BoF at FOSS4G Bonn and this type of question came up
already.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Tobias Wendorff
 wrote:
> Am Di, 6.09.2016, 17:33 schrieb Michael Steffen:
>>
>> This should be totally fine. Feel free to reach out directly if you
>> want to talk in more detail.
>
> Yeah, I might contact you in the next days. A problem could be that I
> have to upload the non-free data to Mapbox. This might violate the data's
> copyright.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Vector Tiles: ODbL and non-free data

[Tobias Wendorff]

Am Di, 6.09.2016, 17:33 schrieb Michael Steffen:
>
> This should be totally fine. Feel free to reach out directly if you
> want to talk in more detail.

Yeah, I might contact you in the next days. A problem could be that I
have to upload the non-free data to Mapbox. This might violate the data's
copyright.


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Vector Tiles: ODbL and non-free data

[Tobias Wendorff]

Am Di, 6.09.2016, 17:08 schrieb Rory McCann:
>
> Not really. Vector tiles (*.mvt) are protobuf files, not sqlite files
> (you might be thinking of mbtiles). It doesn't really matter for your
> example, since you could filter a mvt file to split out the different
> layers.

Yeah, I messed this up - thanks for clarification. But in the end, the
question stays the same ;)

So even rendering one unsplitable image in the user's browser doesn't
violate ODbL? In the past, it was common practice to deliver OSM data
and non-free data on seperate layers.


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Re: [Talk-it] grotte varie...

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 06/09/2016 12:11, demon.box ha scritto:

certo esistono ancora, end_date è inteso come fine della loro funzione
originaria

per quanto riguarda le semplici grotte-riparo metterei anche amenity=shelter
perchè di fatto una persona ci si può riparare anche oggi e poi
shelter_type=rock_shelter sarebbe soltanto per cavità naturali ma non trovo
niente di meglio per descrivere la situazione... e quindi ci aggiungo
man_made=yes per chiarire che è opera dell'uomo.




Con la preghiera che riportiate i tag sulla wiki
da http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type  a 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Key:shelter_type


Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

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Re: [Talk-de] Mitteldeutsche Schleife -> reg_name ?

[Christian Müller]

> Gesendet: Dienstag, 06. September 2016 um 00:41 Uhr
> Von: "Tom Pfeifer" 
> An: "Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch" 
> Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Mitteldeutsche Schleife -> reg_name ?
>
> > Da schieben wir doch am besten gleich die regionalen
> > Bezeichnungen in anderen Ländern ebenfalls in reg_name
> > und schreiben brav die deutschen Namen als die allgemein
> > Benutzten hinein.  Klar, das wir dazu allgemein deutsche
> > Quellen anführen und die regional fremdländischen brav
> > ignorieren.
> 
> Der Ironie kann ich aber nur bedingt folgen. Für deutschsprachige Namen
> im Ausland gibt es name:de, darum geht es hier nicht.

Du hast leider nicht verstanden, was ich damit zum Ausdruck bringen
wollte.  Es ist nicht nur Ironie, sondern es ist das gleiche in grün,
nur eine Ebene nach oben gehoben.  Also nochmal in Klartext:

a) name im Ausland nutzt den dort typischen, allgemeinen Namen, der
auf uns durchaus wie ein regional benutzter Name wirken kann, gerade
wenn historisch, aus Besatzerzeit oder Vorkriegsjahren noch dt. Namen
bestehen, die im Sprachgebrauch einer dt. Allgemeinheit noch vorhanden
sind

b) Mit regionalen Namen verhält sich das auf fraktale Weise genauso,
du musst nur ein bisschen "reinzoomen".  Sie wirken auf dich befremd-
lich, weil du nicht aus der Region stammst.  Doch ist es gerade die
Region (der Landstrich, das Dort, die Stadt, der Ort), die einen
allgemeinen Namen häufigst bestimmt und diesen dann hinausträgt!?

Es gibt sicherlich Beispiele, wo das nicht funktioniert.  Für diese
gilt dann tatsächlich reg_name != name, aber die Regel ist
reg_name == name  (insbes. wenn Fälle, in denen reg_name als
Feld für Spitz- oder Kosenamen ohne offiziellen Charakter un-
beachtet bleiben).


> Vielmehr wollte ich sondieren, ob die Bezeichnung, wenn sie schon
> nicht ausgeschildert wurde, wenigstens allgemeiner Sprachgebrauch ist.

Wenn du eine Beschwerde an die zuständigen Ämter schickst,
wirst du dein Schild möglicherweise bekommen.  Da werden
die sich nicht Lumpen lassen.


> Die von dir zitierten Dokumente stützen aber eher das Gegenteil,
> es erscheint als eine Meinung eines ehemaligen Verkehrsministers und eine
> Radio-PR-Aktion, alles im Jahre 2003, und gelegentlich taucht die
> Bezeichnung noch in Gänsefüsschen in politischen Dokumenten zum
> Weiterbau der A143 auf.

Es taucht in mehreren Büchern und Dokumenten auf.  Der Begriff ist eben
nicht "Meinung eines ehemaligen Verkehrsminister", sondern wurde aus
Vorschlägen der Bevölkerung ausgewählt.  Vielleicht ist die Auswahl an
sich Meinung des Ministeriums (nicht des Ministers und definitiv nicht
der Begriff!).


> Der Berliner Fernsehturm sollte auch mal unbedingt "Telespargel" genannt
> werden, sagte und sagt aber keiner.

Es gibt sicher nicht wenige, die dennoch wissen, was du meinst.
Ich mutmaße, dass dieser Begriff nicht Ergebnis einer offiziellen
Namenssuche war.


> Also machen wir die Gegenprobe:
> 
> - Wenn du jemand von Grimma nach Löbejün zum Klettern lotst, empfiehlst
>du ihm "Nimm die Nördliche Mitteldeutsche Schleife" oder "Fahr die A14"?

Ich würde ihn "Löbejün" in sein Navi tippen lassen.
Spaß beiseite:  Das ist natürlich auszuhandeln.  Wenn er mit der Schleife
etwas anfangen kann, warum soll ich mich dann fälschlicherweise auf die
A14 in voller Länge beziehen?

Das ist beides nicht falsch.  Ein Abschnitt der A14 ist Teil der Mittel-
deutschen Schleife, per Definition.


> - Möchtest du, dass dir dein Navi am Schkeuditzer Kreuz empfiehlt,
>"Biege jetzt ab auf die Mitteldeutsche Schleife"? Wohin fährst du dann?

Navi Anweisungen enthalten neben dem Namen des Ziels i.d.R. Richtungs-
anweisungen.  Die Frage stellt sich schon aus diesem Grund nicht.

Außerdem wertet das Navi für hochrangige Straßen doch eher ref aus?
Und in ref steht hoffentlich A 14 / A 38 / etc..

Wenn Bundesstraßen ortsbezogene Namen besitzen, kannst du mit denen
auch nichts anfangen, wenn du lediglich die Anweisung hören willst,
der Bundesstraße B xx weiter zu folgen.


> Mangels Fertigstellung der A143 ist die Schleife ja noch nicht mal eine.

Das ist Ansichtssache.  Es ist ja nun nicht so, dass du dein Auto da nicht
auf einer niedrigrangigeren Straße von Süd nach Nord durchschieben könntest.


> Mit einer Routenrelation könnte ich mich ja noch anfreunden, aber
> auf den Einzelautobahnen finde ich es irritierend.

Ich finde das nicht irritierend.  Hier hat eine Koproduktion
von Amt und Bürger gewählt und dieser Name erscheint auf einer
urdemokratischen Karte: OSM.  Alles hübsch also.


Gruß
Christian

ps: Gäbe es einen "richtigeren" Namen, wäre "Mitteldeutsche Schleife"
aufgrund der Quellenlage nicht nach "reg_name" sondern wohl eher nach
"alt_name" zu verschieben.  Das ist aber ein irrelevanter Konjunktiv.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Composite mapping (OSM and OS, PRoWs etc)

[Dan S]

Looking good! Is there a key? Would help to make sense of the various
footpath markings etc

Best
Dan

2016-09-06 8:02 GMT-07:00 Luke Smith :
> I mentioned a while back that grough was developing a composite map,
> blending OSM data with OS OpenData to fill in the gaps, and using public
> rights of way data directly from the local authorities which have released
> it. Over time, hopefully we will rely progressively less on other data
> sources.
>
> I'm happy to say there's now a beta available, at http://geo.gy/ with more
> details about the project at http://map.grough.co.uk/.
>
> There'll also soon be a 3D version available, building on the prototype at
> http://3d.geo.gy/ to cover all of Great Britain and improve the controls.
>
> The source code behind generating the maps is open source, although not
> suitable for on-the-fly tile generation because of the preprocessing. The
> idea was to create a map which could be printed and used at a fixed scale
> (1:25,000 scale), with labels moved around to avoid obscuring detail etc.
>
> If anyone has comments or advice for us, it would be gratefully received.
> We're aware of some issues already, so this is only a beta release.
> Similarly if anyone would like to use the maps, we'd be more than happy to
> help if you run into problems.
>
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Vector Tiles: ODbL and non-free data

[Michael Steffen]

Hi Tobias -

Michael at Mapbox here.

Just overlay, no other interaction.


This should be totally fine. Feel free to reach out directly if you want to
talk in more detail.

-Michael

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Rory McCann  wrote:

> On 06/09/16 15:13, Tobias Wendorff wrote:
> > Actually, these vector formats are modified SQLite databases
>
> Not really. Vector tiles (*.mvt) are protobuf files, not sqlite files
> (you might be thinking of mbtiles). It doesn't really matter for your
> example, since you could filter a mvt file to split out the different
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Vector Tiles: ODbL and non-free data

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On 06/09/16 15:13, Tobias Wendorff wrote:
> Actually, these vector formats are modified SQLite databases

Not really. Vector tiles (*.mvt) are protobuf files, not sqlite files
(you might be thinking of mbtiles). It doesn't really matter for your
example, since you could filter a mvt file to split out the different
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[Talk-GB] Composite mapping (OSM and OS, PRoWs etc)

[Luke Smith]

I mentioned a while back that grough was developing a composite map,
blending OSM data with OS OpenData to fill in the gaps, and using public
rights of way data directly from the local authorities which have released
it. Over time, hopefully we will rely progressively less on other data
sources.

I'm happy to say there's now a beta available, at http://geo.gy/ with more
details about the project at http://map.grough.co.uk/.

There'll also soon be a 3D version available, building on the prototype at
http://3d.geo.gy/ to cover all of Great Britain and improve the controls.

The source code behind generating the maps is open source, although not
suitable for on-the-fly tile generation because of the preprocessing. The
idea was to create a map which could be printed and used at a fixed scale
(1:25,000 scale), with labels moved around to avoid obscuring detail etc.

If anyone has comments or advice for us, it would be gratefully received.
We're aware of some issues already, so this is only a beta release.
Similarly if anyone would like to use the maps, we'd be more than happy to
help if you run into problems.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v2.43.0

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 06.09.2016 13:52, Tom Hughes napisał(a):


Well it brings the tile servers to mapnik 3 which may have a few
immediate effects like improved rendering of asian scripts but which
mostly allows future stylesheet updates to use mapnik 3 features.


That's great! This should be an improvement in itself, but also a base 
for other changes in osm-carto:


https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/milestone/4

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[OSM-co] Fwd: [talk-latam] State of the Map Latam 2016

[hyan...@gmail.com]

Buenos días a todos,

El state of the map latam será este año en Brasil en el mes de noviembre.
Las postulaciones para charlas y becas están abiertas.

Hay varias iniciativas q seguro serán interesantes compartir.

Para el mismo mes también se realizará el Condatos / Abrelatam, esta vez en
Bogotá, Colombia!

A participar!

Saludos,

Humberto Yances
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Asunto: [talk-latam] State of the Map Latam 2016
Para: "OpenStreetMap Latinoamérica" 
Cc: 

Hola,
>
> El State of the Map Latam 2016 será realizado en Sao Paulo, entre 25 y 27
> de noviembre! El SotM Latam es la Conferencia Latinoamericana de la
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> proponer una charla , un taller o
> grupo de interés .
>
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> espacios de discusión de cualquier tema relacionado al OpenStreetMap y
> tendrán más tiempo disponible. Tenemos algunas becas para ayudar a los
> participantes que ván presentar algo en el evento. En los formularios,
> usted puede indicar si necesitas de una beca.
>
> El plazo final para propuestas es el día 25 de Septiembre.
>
> Nuestro sitio: http://state.osmlatam.org/es/
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Data ophalen uit overpass

[Karel Adams]

Sander, dat was de winnende tip!

Ik moest niet meer doen dan in de bestaande query de afsluitende 
 vervangen door  en nu krijgt elke 
vermelde way een extra tag mee, voorbeeld onder. De uitleg vond ik op 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/Language_Guide na een 
websearch voor de gesuggereerde "out center" syntax uit QL.


@Marc: bedankt voor de tip, ik vrees dat ik "relations" maar even als 
quantité négligable ga bechouwn, voorlopig. 'k Zal al mijn handen vol 
hebben met al de nieuwe ontdekkingen die als "way" gemapt zijn!


Allen welbedankt voor het meedenken!

Karel

 zelfde vliegveld als in het aanvankelijke voorbeeld, nu met extra 
"center" vermelding =


  









  




On 05/09/16 15:35, Sander Deryckere wrote:


Ik ben niet echt vertrouwd met de XML taal van overpass, meer met de 
QL taal.


In QL heb je de opties "out center" die van ieder object ook de 
coördinaten van het middelpunt geeft. Een er is ook "out geom" die van 
ieder object alle coördinaten geeft (maar niet als aparte nodes).


Daarnaast heb je ook nog de recurse up en down operaties ">" en "<", 
die alle nodes van een weg kunnen vragen, of alle wegen van een node.


Jammer genoeg ken ik de equivalenten van deze commando's more in de 
XML taal.



Op 5-sep.-2016 11:57 schreef "Karel Adams" >:


Zoals sommigen wel weten haal ik periodiek uit overpass de data op
van de vliegvelden in Europa, om ze te vergelijken met andere
publieke informatiebronnen. Nu begin ik beter te begrijpen waar ik
nog problemen heb. Er zijn nl. twee manieren om een
luchtvaartterein aan te geven: ofwel als een node, ofwel als een
way. Voorbeelden elks hieronder. Met het "node"-type kan ik
intussen aardig uit de voeten, dat is geen probleem. Echter het
"way"-type geeft geen coordinaten (zoals een node per definitie
wel doet), het geeft de omlijning van het terrein in de vorm van
nodes. Als eenmaal de nodes gekend zijn dan vind ik wel een of
andere manier om uit de coordinaten van de nodes een set
coordinaten van het luchtvaartterrein af te leiden. Maar hoe kom
ik aan de nodes?

Het enige dat ik me kan bedenken is om uit de aanvakelijk
gedownloade dataset een lijst te maken van de gebruikte nodes en
dan een tweede query te lanceren om al die nodes op te vragen.
Maar dat gaat heel wat data betekenen, ik wil liever de
overpass-server(s) niet te zwaar belasten; en ik vind het ook niet
bijster elegant. Heeft iemand een beter idee? Een lijst van àlle
nodes binnen de bbox zal wel helemaal topzwaar worden,
veronderstel ik.

Ter illustratie: de huidige query levert me een dataset op van
zowat 4,2 MB, dat vind ik al flink groot; ik probeer me te
beperken om hem slechts eenmaal per week op te vragen.

Karel

== bijlage: de query 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


== bijlage: voorbeeld van een "node" 

  





  

== bijlage: voorbeeld van een "way" =

  








  


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[talk-latam] State of the Map Latam 2016

[Wille]

Hola,

El State of the Map Latam 2016 será realizado en Sao Paulo, entre 25 y 
27 de noviembre! El SotM Latam es la Conferencia Latinoamericana de la 
comunidad OpenStreetMap. Las inscripciones son gratuitas!


Nuestra programación está abierta para envío de propuestas. Usted puede 
proponer una charla , un taller 
o grupo de interés .


Las charlas pueden tener 25 o 50 minutos. Los grupos de interés son 
espacios de discusión de cualquier tema relacionado al OpenStreetMap y 
tendrán más tiempo disponible. Tenemos algunas becas para ayudar a los 
participantes que ván presentar algo en el evento. En los formularios, 
usted puede indicar si necesitas de una beca.


El plazo final para propuestas es el día 25 de Septiembre.

Nuestro sitio: http://state.osmlatam.org/es/

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Re: [Talk-cz] Update taginfo serveru?

[Michal Grézl]

mohl, mozna zitra a kdyz ne tak nejdriv pristi tyden.

2016-09-06 14:51 GMT+02:00 Dalibor Jelínek :
> Ahoj,
>
> nemohl by nekdo updatovat data na taginfo serveru pro Cesko?
>
> Uz jsou asi pul roku stara. Nevim, kdo se o to stara (asi Michal Grezl?).
>
> Predem dekuji.
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-cz] Update taginfo serveru?

[Tom Ka]

Pokud se najde spravce, muzu zkusit prebrat a hostovat u sebe a
generovat to pravidelne a vyrazne casteji.

Bye

Dne 6. září 2016 14:51 Dalibor Jelínek  napsal(a):
> Ahoj,
>
> nemohl by nekdo updatovat data na taginfo serveru pro Cesko?
>
> Uz jsou asi pul roku stara. Nevim, kdo se o to stara (asi Michal Grezl?).
>
> Predem dekuji.
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-cz] Výzva pro účastníky OSM setkání Elbe-Labe, 8.-9. říjen 2016, Drážďany

[Tom Ka]

No jo, mne nenapadlo ze jsi to ty a ja prekladal:

Miroslav (mapped more than 4 km of tracks)

Aspon jsi slavny :-)

Dne 5. září 2016 16:03 Miroslav Suchy  napsal(a):
> Dne 5.9.2016 v 12:28 Tom Ka napsal(a):
>> zmapoval více než
>> 4 km cest
>
> To je ponekud nestastny preklad pro "how to map more than 4 km". Takhle 
> to zni jako kdybych to mapoval sam, coz
> rozhodne neni pravda :)
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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] mappa escursionismo Ledro

[Daniele]

Grazie delle risposte appena sarò più libero con il lavoro mi dedicherò 
alla valutazione della fattibilità del progetto


Se Luca riesce a fare un tutorial ne sarei felice

Grazie ancora

Daniele


Il 27/08/2016 20:02, Dario Zontini Gmail ha scritto:
lasciano a parte il discorso del libretto, per la sola mappa il lavoro 
è stato fatto in 2 fasi. La prima nel verificare e integrare i dati in 
OSM. Considera che la situazione era già buona perchè tutti i sentieri 
SAT erano già inseriti ma si è dovuto sistemare la relazione 
(uniformando le descrizioni). Sono state inserite le valli, torrenti, 
toponimi delle località e delle cime/passi e i nomi delle malghe 
(usando i dati della carta tecnica provinciale) mentre per i bivacchi 
e sentieri non SAT ho chiesto aiuto a persone che conoscevano la zona. 
Non ho fatto tutto io ma ci siamo divisi il lavoro con altri mappatori 
(a grandi linee una trentina di serate di lavoro) . Come dicevo la 
situazione di partenza era buona, ma quando entri nel dettaglio ti 
accorgi che mancavano tante piccole cose che però fanno fare il salto 
di qualità. Nella zona di Ledro ci sarebbe ancora molto da fare.


Poi Luca ha iniziato a fare delle bozze di stile che sono state 
personalizzate in base alle nostre esigenze. La nostra idea era di 
ottenere una mappa simile a quelle che siamo abituati ad usare per 
escursinismo. Purtroppo abbiamo dovuto usare una scala 1:3 per 
poter coprire tutta la zona, mentre con 1:25000 il risultato sarebbe 
stato ancora migliore. Come ha scritto Luca, il grosso è fatto, ma se 
qualcuno ha delle osservazioni per migliorare ben vengano i suggerimenti.


In tipografia è stata fatta l'impaginazione per la stampa cartacea 
(descrizione delle tappe e foto)


Con  l'immagine definitiva, ho creato la versione per Oruxmap e Garmin 
usando Okmap (in un ora si fa tutto)


Dal punto di vista dei costi c'è stato il costo della tipografia e un 
minimo di rimborso spese per il lavoro di Luca, a cui abbiamo fatto 
fare tante ma tante bozze :-)


ciao

Il 27/08/2016 18:18, Luca Delucchi ha scritto:

2016-08-27 18:13 GMT+02:00 Daniele :


Volevo capire quant'è l'impegno per proporre una cosa simile alla 
SAT di

Pergine


allora per creare lo stile e tutto il necessario ci abbiamo messo
circa 8 mesi (era un lavoretto saltuario)
Ora che c'è una buona base il lavoro dovrebbe essere minore.

Conta che la parte più complessa e della quale non sono a conoscenza,
ma dario potrà dare delucidazioni, è l'aggiornamento dei dati.







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Re: [Talk-it] Sardinian vs Italian names

[Carlo Stemberger]

Il giorno 6 settembre 2016 15:24, Fayor Uno  ha scritto:

> Non siamo più al tempo delle dittature, dei regimi centralizzati o delle
> imposizioni governative.
>

Mi è permesso sghignazzare?

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Re: [Talk-it] Sardinian vs Italian names

[Fayor Uno]

Questo clima di insubordinazione alle normative, ribellione all'ordine 
costituito, insofferenza per decisioni prese dall'alto e così via, che si 
percepisce in qualcuno degli ultimi interventi, è ormai inattuale.
Non siamo più al tempo delle dittature, dei regimi centralizzati o delle 
imposizioni governative.
Siamo al contrario (almeno in Italia) in una situazione di pressoché completa 
autonomia e tutela delle legittime esigenze (non solo linguistiche) di ogni 
comunità particolare.


Il nome di un posto è scelto dai suoi abitanti, questo è il principio 
fondamentale che non può essere messo in discussione.
Ma è scelto seguendo le procedure, previste prorpio a garanzia e tutela della 
democraticità della scelta.
Se prima, fino a qualche decennio fa, era lo Stato centrale (quale 
rappresentante dei suoi cittadini) a scegliere e modificare i toponimi di tutto 
il territorio nazionale (anche in contrasto con la storia, la cultura, le 
tradizioni e la lingua locali), adesso questo diritto è stato giustamente 
attribuito agli stessi enti locali che rappresentano quelle comunità.


Come ho già scritto in altro intervento, ogni Regione ha piena potestà sulla 
istituzione, denominazione e variazione dei propri Comuni. E ogni Comune ha 
piena potestà per quanto riguarda, borgate, località e frazioni presenti nel 
proprio territorio. Queste decisioni vengono prese dalle amministrazioni previa 
consultazione popolare. E lo Stato centrale (il governo italiano) con le sue 
emanazioni (Istat, Agenzia delle Entrate ecc.) dovrà necessariamente prenderne 
atto.
Nelle regioni a statuto speciale (come la Sardegna) questo principio è valido 
già dalla loro istituzione, come previsto dagli stessi statuti. E non ha limiti 
linguistici: se i sardi volessero riportare i nomi di tutti i comuni alle 
denominazioni in lingua sarda potrebbero farlo senza alcun problema, facendo 
sparire le odiate traduzioni italiane (come è avvenuto in Valle d'Aosta) da 
qualunque mappa (sia italiana che estera).


Ribadisco ancora una volta: cambiare i nomi di una mappa "per protesta", per 
"rispettare la storia e la cultura", per "sensibilizzare" non so chi, è un 
atteggiamento forse comodo e più facile ma sbagliato (perché il mappatore non 
deve decidere cose per loro natura decise da altri) e infruttuoso (perché 
chiunque continuerà a riferirsi sempre al nome istituzionale, l'unico 
effettivamente utilizzabile).




Da: Carlo Stemberger 
Inviato: martedì 6 settembre 2016 11.25
A: openstreetmap list - italiano
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Sardinian vs Italian names

Il giorno 6 settembre 2016 10:12, Paolo Monegato 
> ha scritto:

Il tag name sul luogo serve pure quello a determinare un indirizzo (non è che 
se uso il navigatore imposto solo la via). Oppure pensiamo agli estratti...

Se scrivo "Mosca" nel campo ricerca, o "Parigi", o "Londra", Nominatim mi 
restituisce a colpo sicuro (come primo risultato) quel che cerco. Eppure 
nessuno di quei nomi è inserito nel tag name. Quindi, ribadisco, 
fondamentalmente il tag name in quel caso non serve ad un tubo.

Io propendo per una terza via: ogni comunità si gestisce come preferisce, con 
buon senso e in un'ottica _globale_.

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[OSM-legal-talk] Vector Tiles: ODbL and non-free data

[Tobias Wendorff]

Hi there.

Mapbox allows it to upload own data under a properitary license and
deliver vector tiles and raster tiles.

Let's say, I want to overlay OpenStreetMap data with my own, non-free
data. Just overlay, no other interaction.

Does ODbL allow it, it combine both datasets in one vector data stream
or do I need to request the tiles in seperate layers. Actually, these
vector formats are modified SQLite databases, which might allow it to
seperate OSM from foreign data, the problem is the rendering.

The data gets rendered in the client's browser. OSM data gets mixed
with the foreign data and rendered to one temporary image (which only
gets cached). Do I need to render each vector layer on its own or is
OdbL open that much to allow my intent?

Best regards,
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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: Česká komunita OpenStreetMap | OpenStreetMap.cz

[Matěj Cepl]

On 2016-09-06, 11:04 GMT, Jan Martinec wrote:
> Jako první krok určitě - ale některé moje poznámky v zahraničí poněkud
> hnijí.

No jo no, není každá OSM komunita tak úžasná jako ta česká ;), 
ale mě po roce už pozvolna uzavírají moje poznámky o Francii.

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[Talk-cz] Update taginfo serveru?

[Dalibor Jelínek]

Ahoj,

nemohl by nekdo updatovat data na taginfo serveru pro Cesko?

Uz jsou asi pul roku stara. Nevim, kdo se o to stara (asi Michal Grezl?).

Predem dekuji.

 

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v2.43.0

[Tom Hughes]

On 06/09/16 12:20, Daniel Koć wrote:


W dniu 06.09.2016 10:10, Tom Hughes napisał(a):


This release will likely be deployed next weekend once the third tile
server has been upgraded.


Will this upgrade bring any interesting features and optimizations or
it's just a typical system/security upgrade?


Well it brings the tile servers to mapnik 3 which may have a few 
immediate effects like improved rendering of asian scripts but which 
mostly allows future stylesheet updates to use mapnik 3 features.


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v2.43.0

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 06.09.2016 10:10, Tom Hughes napisał(a):


This release will likely be deployed next weekend once the third tile
server has been upgraded.


Will this upgrade bring any interesting features and optimizations or 
it's just a typical system/security upgrade?


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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: Česká komunita OpenStreetMap | OpenStreetMap.cz

[Jan Martinec]

Jako první krok určitě - ale některé moje poznámky v zahraničí poněkud
hnijí.

HPM

Dne 6. 9. 2016 13:03 napsal uživatel "Matěj Cepl" :

> On 2016-09-06, 09:35 GMT, Jan Dudík wrote:
> > našel jsem chybu v mapách, ale neumím s tím - můžete můj
> > podnět předat dál nebo to opravit? Je to velmi jednoduché: A14
> > v Itálii, např. při hledání trasy z Bari do Salizzole, je
> > placená silnice. Ale mapy ji zobrazují jako neplacenou, tj.
> > když zakážu navigaci přes placené úseky, stejně mne to navede
> > na A14.
>
> Řekl bych, že nejjednodušší odpověď na tuto a podobné otázky je
> udělat poznámku (v angličtině, pokud člověk neumí italsky) na
> daném místě.
>
> Matěj
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Re: [talk-au] Tagging for the router

[Rory McCann]

On 31/08/16 13:44, Andrew Davidson wrote:
> Turn restrictions are, after all, entirely tagging for the router (it's
> not like they get rendered on the map).

"Tagging for the renderer" (similar to "tagging for the router") is a
bad thing when people add _incorrect_ data in order to get it to show up
nicely on the map.

If the playground at a local school had a red tarmac play area, and you
map it as building=industrial because that gets the correct reddish
colour, *thats* tagging for the renderer. You've added bad data so that
you could get a nice map. Instead you should change the renderer

In this case, if you're not legally allowed to make that u turn, then
adding a no_u_turn restriction isn't *incorrect*. Perhaps routers should
know about all the local restrictions, or deduce it from the geometry,
but adding such a turn restriction isn't added incorrect data.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: Česká komunita OpenStreetMap | OpenStreetMap.cz

[Zbyněk Datinský]

mám zkušenost s Mapfactor Navigatorem, že rozlišuje placený úsek(toll=yes) a
průjezd placeným centrem (mýtné budky). Není to v tomto případě (pokud si 
dobře pamatuju tak v IT mají právě mýtné budky) jen špatně nastavená 
navigace? O jakou navigaci jde a jaký typ placeného úseku se tam konkrétně 
jedná? ... Sám jsem našel spoustu chyb v OSM na Balkánu, ale v západní 
evropě většinou vše sedí...


-- Původní zpráva --

Od: Jan Dudík 

Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 

Datum: 6. 9. 2016 11:36:36

Předmět: [Talk-cz] Fwd: Česká komunita OpenStreetMap | OpenStreetMap.cz


"


-- Přeposlaná zpráva --

Od: David Vlk 

Předmět: Česká komunita OpenStreetMap | OpenStreetMap.cz







​Dobrý den,





našel jsem chybu v mapách, ale neumím s tím - můžete můj podnět předat dál 
nebo to opravit? Je to velmi jednoduché: A14 v Itálii, např. při hledání 
trasy z Bari do Salizzole, je placená silnice. Ale mapy ji zobrazují jako 
neplacenou, tj. když zakážu navigaci přes placené úseky, stejně mne to 
navede na A14.​








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Re: [Talk-it] grotte varie...

[demon.box]

certo esistono ancora, end_date è inteso come fine della loro funzione
originaria

per quanto riguarda le semplici grotte-riparo metterei anche amenity=shelter
perchè di fatto una persona ci si può riparare anche oggi e poi
shelter_type=rock_shelter sarebbe soltanto per cavità naturali ma non trovo
niente di meglio per descrivere la situazione... e quindi ci aggiungo
man_made=yes per chiarire che è opera dell'uomo.




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Re: [Talk-it] Sardinian vs Italian names

[Carlo Stemberger]

Il giorno 6 settembre 2016 10:56, Luca Delucchi  ha
scritto:

>
> se in abruzzo/umbria/marche avessimo i nomi locali
> come potrebbero usare OSM i soccorsi che arrivano da tutta
> Italia/Mondo?
>

Usando il tag name:it, oppure official_name.

In particolare official_name si presta bene per seguire pedissequamente le
indicazioni previste dalla normativa italiana.

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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] complimenti per la serata di ieri!

[Luca Delucchi]

On 6 September 2016 at 10:32, Marco Ciampa  wrote:
> Veramente interessante!
>
> Sarebbe bello avere i link delle prime slide...io non lo ricordo...
>
> Link utili:
>
> http://lucadelu.org/presentazioni/reveal/2016_osm_emergenza.html#/
> http://osmit-tm.wmflabs.org/project/13#
> https://hotosm.org/
>

http://www.slideshare.net/silli/workshop-geopaparazzi

> bye
>


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[Talk-cz] Fwd: Česká komunita OpenStreetMap | OpenStreetMap.cz

[Jan Dudík]

-- Přeposlaná zpráva --
Od: David Vlk 
Předmět: Česká komunita OpenStreetMap | OpenStreetMap.cz


​Dobrý den,

našel jsem chybu v mapách, ale neumím s tím - můžete můj podnět předat dál
nebo to opravit? Je to velmi jednoduché: A14 v Itálii, např. při hledání
trasy z Bari do Salizzole, je placená silnice. Ale mapy ji zobrazují jako
neplacenou, tj. když zakážu navigaci přes placené úseky, stejně mne to
navede na A14.​
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Re: [Talk-it] Sardinian vs Italian names

[Carlo Stemberger]

Il giorno 6 settembre 2016 10:12, Paolo Monegato 
ha scritto:

>
> Il tag name sul luogo serve pure quello a determinare un indirizzo (non è
> che se uso il navigatore imposto solo la via). Oppure pensiamo agli
> estratti...
>

Se scrivo "Mosca" nel campo ricerca, o "Parigi", o "Londra", Nominatim mi
restituisce a colpo sicuro (come primo risultato) quel che cerco. Eppure
nessuno di quei nomi è inserito nel tag name. Quindi, ribadisco,
fondamentalmente il tag name in quel caso non serve ad un tubo.

Io propendo per una terza via: ogni comunità si gestisce come preferisce,
con buon senso e in un'ottica _globale_.

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Re: [Talk-it] grotte varie...

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-09-06 10:48 GMT+02:00 demon.box :

> amenity=shelter
> shelter_type=rock_shelter
> military=shelter
> man_made=yes
> historic=yes
> start_date=1915
> end_date=1918
>


non so se metterei end_date, perché in realtà ci stanno ancora, no?
Forse non sono più "military", ma disused:military o abandoned:military (la
chiave più usata: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=military )?

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] Sardinian vs Italian names

[Luca Delucchi]

2016-09-06 10:12 GMT+02:00 Paolo Monegato :

>
> Estremizzando il concetto: OSM in linea con la PA, quasi fosse una
> succursale, per facilitare l'interscambio dei dati o OSM come DB formato
> dagli utenti che mappano quel che si vede sul territorio (quel che c'è, non
> quel che dovrebbe esserci)?
> Questo è il bivio. Sta a noi scegliere una delle due strade o provare ad
> aprirne una terza (non è detto che le due cose non siano in qualche modo
> conciliabili).
>

Molto interessante, ovviamente sarebbe meglio avere meno passaggi
possibili tra OSM e PA...
visto che tanto la discussione ormai è degenerata vi do un altro punto
di discussione, ma se in abruzzo/umbria/marche avessimo i nomi locali
come potrebbero usare OSM i soccorsi che arrivano da tutta
Italia/Mondo?

> ciao
> Paolo M
>

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Re: [Talk-it] grotte varie...

[demon.box]

dopo i vostri consigli al momento vorrei procedere così:

riparo di roccia naturale (è il più semplice)

amenity=shelter
shelter_type=rock_shelter


riparo artificiale militare (non tunnel)

amenity=shelter
shelter_type=rock_shelter
military=shelter
man_made=yes
historic=yes
start_date=1915
end_date=1918


tunnel artificiale militare (mappo soltanto il nodo di inizio/entrata)

military=bunker
historic=yes
disused=yes
start_date=1915
end_date=1918






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Re: [Talk-it] Sardinian vs Italian names

[Paolo Monegato]

Il 05/09/2016 22:50, Carlo Stemberger ha scritto:
Il giorno 5 settembre 2016 22:06, Paolo Monegato 
> ha scritto:


Concorderei. Ma questo cozza ad esempio con il discorso sui nomi
delle vie e l'adeguamento alla direttiva istat...


Per il nome delle vie alla fine uno standard vale come un altro, 
quindi in quel caso adeguarsi ad una legge è di aiuto a risolvere 
potenziali controversie e ad uniformare dei dati. Il nome delle vie è 
usato dagli utilizzatori dei dati (software, ecc.), quindi è utile 
cercare la massima omogeneità.


Il tag name quando associato al nome di un luogo invece 
fondamentalmente non serve a un tubo, e quindi come riempirlo diventa 
una questione culturale e "di bandiera". Il fatto che "altri" mi 
dicano come devo chiamare le mie cose tende ad irritarmi un cicinin: 
immagino che lo stesso valga per i sardi.


Il tag name sul luogo serve pure quello a determinare un indirizzo (non 
è che se uso il navigatore imposto solo la via). Oppure pensiamo agli 
estratti...


Il discorso a cui alludevo è questo: se per il nome del luogo applico la 
otgr, per quale motivo per il resto dell'indirizzo dovrei mettermi a 
correggere quanto trovo in tabella secondo le nuove direttive ISTAT (es. 
Via Pio Decimo invece di Via Pio X) prima ancora che questa correzione 
la faccia fisicamente (non solo legalmente) il comune?


Estremizzando il concetto: OSM in linea con la PA, quasi fosse una 
succursale, per facilitare l'interscambio dei dati o OSM come DB formato 
dagli utenti che mappano quel che si vede sul territorio (quel che c'è, 
non quel che dovrebbe esserci)?
Questo è il bivio. Sta a noi scegliere una delle due strade o provare ad 
aprirne una terza (non è detto che le due cose non siano in qualche modo 
conciliabili).


ciao
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Intégration des stations essence

[Christian Quest]

Le 06/09/2016 à 01:59, Francois Gouget a écrit :

Le gouvernement met à disposition depuis plusieurs années une liste des
stations essence avec de nombreuses informations (identifiant,
coordonnées GPS, types de carburant vendus, présence de magasin, de
toilettes, d'ATM, de station de lavage, etc).

La grosse question est celle de la licence bien sûr. D'un coté le site
dit :

http://www.prix-carburants.gouv.fr/rubrique/opendata/

| Le site gouvernemental des prix des carburants met à disposition de
| manière libre et gratuite (Open data) les données relatives aux prix
| des carburants. Ces données sont référencées sur la plate-forme des
| données publiques de l’État (www.data.gouv.fr) et sont fournies sous
| la "Licence ouverte / Open licence".

Évidemment le lien sur cette page n'est plus à jour mais il semblerait
que cette "Licence Ouverte" soit définie ici. Se compatibilité
avec OpenStreetMap a-t-elle déjà été analysée ?

https://www.etalab.gouv.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Licence_Ouverte.pdf



Oui, pas de problème avec les données en Licence Ouverte, c'est 
compatible avec l'ODbL d'OSM.

Il faut juste penser à indiquer la source sur l'intégration/import initial.


Par contre une autre page du site dit :

http://www.prix-carburants.gouv.fr/rubrique/cgu/

| La réutilisation des données de ce site est soumise aux conditions
| définies dans l'arrêté du 28 février 2013 (consultable ici). Celle-ci
| n'est autorisée qu'après avoir obtenu du ministère de l'économie et
| des finances une licence de réutilisation d'informations publiques
| contenues dans la base de données du site du prix des carburants.

D'après cette page la réutilisation de ces données serait payante avec
une licence à l'année. Donc pas du tout ouvert !


Ceci concerne les données à J-7, pour celles à J+7 elles sont sous 
licence ouverte.




Alsor ensuite si je suis bien la discussion ci-dessous sur Linux.fr, les
prix de la dernière semaine ne seraient pas Open Data mais les prix
historiques si. Si c'est le cas ce ne serait pas un problème vu que les
prix n'ont aucun intérêt pour OpenStreetMap.

https://linuxfr.org/users/ner0lph/journaux/le-prix-des-carburants-enfin-en-opendata


Du coup quelqu'un sait-il s'il serait légal de faire un module
d'intégration Osmose comme pour la Poste ?


N'est-ce pas déjà le cas ?

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=8200


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v2.43.0

[Tom Hughes]

On 06/09/16 01:33, Paul Norman wrote:


Today, v2.43.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet (the default
stylesheet on openstreetmap.org) has been released. It has not yet
been rolled out to the openstreetmap.org servers.


I'll just add to this to say that on this occasion there will probably 
be a short delay as we are in the middle of working through a cycle of 
software updates on the tile servers.


This release will likely be deployed next weekend once the third tile 
server has been upgraded.


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Re: [Talk-it] Terremoto Rieti

[Davide Mangraviti]

Si ma modificata sulle aree urbanizzate, non indistintamente su tutta l'area,
aree verdi, montagne.
La magnitudo è stata di 6 non di 9..
Magari non si vuole permettere di fare screenshoot o altro.
Non ha senso lasciare immagini del genere, non danno nessun servizio, ora
che potrebbero essere per operatori e il grande pubblico, un riferimento.
Non comprendo...



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Re: [Talk-it] Terremoto Rieti

[Alessandro]

Il 06/09/2016 08:56, Davide Mangraviti ha scritto:

Ho notato ieri sera sul GMaps e confermato stamattina su GoogleEarth, che
BigG ha sgranato e reso pressochè inservibile l'immagine satellite in
un'ampia area della zona sismica.
Provate a vedere su Amatrice o Accumoli. Non credo siano nuove immagini
post-sisma anche perchè non si riconoscono più gli edifici.

La ritengo una cosa voluta a fini commerciali, oppure un dispetto alla
Comunità OSM? Ma tanto si sa che non usiamo e non ci interessa farlo la sua
immagine satellite.



Non penso a un dispetto ma più semplicemente, visto che la zona è 
purtroppo stata modificata, hanno sgranato le immagini perchè non 
riflettono più la realtà.


Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

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[Talk-in] Administrative Boundary

[Walter Nordmann]

Hi,

Yes, admin_boundaries should be relations (multipolygons) with this tags:

type=boundary, boundary=administrative, admin_level=XX, name=YY.

area=yes is not needed, because boundaries are always closed (or should 
be ;)) and are describing an area.


Just to be shure i checked Velur Ward IV 
https://openstreetmap.org/relation/6526524 and it's looking fine. BUT 
there are remains of the old boundary ways, which should be removed from 
OSM.


See 
https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/images/osm/snaps_2016/Velur_Ward_IV.png 
which shows a  Josm view of that area.

Pink: new relation, red: old redundant ways, which should be removed.

Regards
walter/germany

btw: I'm doing a lot of stuff with boundaries.

see https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/boundaries for QA and exporting 
boundaries
and 
https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.php/projekte/internationale-administrative-grenzen/missing-boundaries


detail: 
https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.php/projekte/internationale-administrative-grenzen/missing-boundaries/10-osm-reports/667-countries-compare-2016-08-28

One AL6 in India has been deleted. It's just "gone", but we don't know why.

there will be a report every day. current day is still running.

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[OSM-talk-be] OpenStreetMap awards

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

In case you missed it: there will be an OpenStreetMap awards ceremony at
SotM this year. Voting is open to everyone with an OSM account.

http://awards.osmz.ru/voting

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Data ophalen uit overpass

[Marc Gemis]

2016-09-05 11:56 GMT+02:00 Karel Adams :
> publieke informatiebronnen. Nu begin ik beter te begrijpen waar ik nog
> problemen heb. Er zijn nl. twee manieren om een luchtvaartterein aan te
> geven: ofwel als een node, ofwel als een way. Voorbeelden elks hieronder.
> Met het "node"-type kan ik

Karel, volgens taginfo zijn er wereldwijd ook 466 vliegvelden als
relatie gemapped [1], die zal je ook moeten opvragen voor de
volledigheid

mvg

m

[1] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aeroway=aerodrome

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Re: [Talk-GB] Nottingham QMC Tram Station

[Stuart Reynolds]

Great, thanks.
Stuart

On 5 Sep 2016, at 20:31, SK53 > 
wrote:

I'll have a quick look in the morning & adjust the mapping accordingly (it's 
under 10 minutes walk away).

Cheers,

Jerry

On 5 September 2016 at 17:24, Stuart Reynolds 
> 
wrote:
Hi to all the friendly Nottingham mappers out there! :)

Could someone please take a look at Nottingham QMC tram stop for me please. 
There are a small handful of things that I want to query:


  *   There is an entrance at the SW end of the platforms which is by stairs - 
there is a nice [square] spiral in OSM, but the levels look strange as they are 
all level 1, despite there being three turns around the spiral. Should these be 
half levels? As otherwise they look like they are all coincident.
  *   There is a footway connected to the lift at level 1 that links to the 
platform, but this footway also extends NW at level 1 and doesn't appear to 
connect to anything
  *   There is nothing connecting the lift at ground level (level 0) meaning 
that I cannot route into it.
  *   And I had always assumed that a lift was a "lift" node - this one has 
been drawn as a building with tags building=lift and highway=elevator, and two 
entrance nodes. This seems strange to me. Yes, it is in accordance with the 
wiki, but the elevator goes up and down, not round in a square, so it feels 
counter-intuitive to have a highway as an elevator (instead of as a node).

Many thanks

Regards,
Stuart Reynolds
for traveline south east & anglia




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Re: [Talk-it] Terremoto Rieti

[Davide Mangraviti]

Ho notato ieri sera sul GMaps e confermato stamattina su GoogleEarth, che
BigG ha sgranato e reso pressochè inservibile l'immagine satellite in
un'ampia area della zona sismica. 
Provate a vedere su Amatrice o Accumoli. Non credo siano nuove immagini
post-sisma anche perchè non si riconoscono più gli edifici.

La ritengo una cosa voluta a fini commerciali, oppure un dispetto alla
Comunità OSM? Ma tanto si sa che non usiamo e non ci interessa farlo la sua
immagine satellite.





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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Intégration des stations essence

[Rogelio Canedo]

Bonjour,
Oui il est possible d'intégrer la liste des stations services disponible
ici (data j-7)
http://www.prix-carburants.gouv.fr/rubrique/opendata/

La licence concerne l'export quotidien permettant d'avoir le prix du
carburant affiché en station.

Cordialement

Rogelio CANEDO

Le 6 sept. 2016 2:00 AM, "Francois Gouget"  a écrit :
>
>
> Le gouvernement met à disposition depuis plusieurs années une liste des
> stations essence avec de nombreuses informations (identifiant,
> coordonnées GPS, types de carburant vendus, présence de magasin, de
> toilettes, d'ATM, de station de lavage, etc).
>
> La grosse question est celle de la licence bien sûr. D'un coté le site
> dit :
>
> http://www.prix-carburants.gouv.fr/rubrique/opendata/
>
> | Le site gouvernemental des prix des carburants met à disposition de
> | manière libre et gratuite (Open data) les données relatives aux prix
> | des carburants. Ces données sont référencées sur la plate-forme des
> | données publiques de l’État (www.data.gouv.fr) et sont fournies sous
> | la "Licence ouverte / Open licence".
>
> Évidemment le lien sur cette page n'est plus à jour mais il semblerait
> que cette "Licence Ouverte" soit définie ici. Se compatibilité
> avec OpenStreetMap a-t-elle déjà été analysée ?
>
> https://www.etalab.gouv.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Licence_Ouverte.pdf
>
>
> Par contre une autre page du site dit :
>
> http://www.prix-carburants.gouv.fr/rubrique/cgu/
>
> | La réutilisation des données de ce site est soumise aux conditions
> | définies dans l'arrêté du 28 février 2013 (consultable ici). Celle-ci
> | n'est autorisée qu'après avoir obtenu du ministère de l'économie et
> | des finances une licence de réutilisation d'informations publiques
> | contenues dans la base de données du site du prix des carburants.
>
> D'après cette page la réutilisation de ces données serait payante avec
> une licence à l'année. Donc pas du tout ouvert !
>
> Alsor ensuite si je suis bien la discussion ci-dessous sur Linux.fr, les
> prix de la dernière semaine ne seraient pas Open Data mais les prix
> historiques si. Si c'est le cas ce ne serait pas un problème vu que les
> prix n'ont aucun intérêt pour OpenStreetMap.
>
>
https://linuxfr.org/users/ner0lph/journaux/le-prix-des-carburants-enfin-en-opendata
>
>
> Du coup quelqu'un sait-il s'il serait légal de faire un module
> d'intégration Osmose comme pour la Poste ?
>
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> May your Tongue stick to the Roof of your Mouth with the Force of a
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Re: [Talk-de] Liegenschaften des Bundesnachrichtendienstes

[Tom Pfeifer]

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2016/09/06 07:56:

Il giorno 06 set 2016, alle ore 00:56, Tom Pfeifer  ha scritto:

Wenn es denn eine Regierungsbehörde ist:
Es gibt ja die noch offenen Diskussionen im Bereich
- landuse=civic_admin
- landuse=institutional



ich fände es besser, etwas spezifischer zu taggen, damit man auch semantisch 
suchen kann und nicht nur über den Namen. So was wie 
amenity=intelligence_service


Ja bitte, das ist dann die Einrichtung, nicht die Landnutzung.
Trag doch die Idee zur Tagging-Liste.

tom


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