[OSM-talk-fr] La meilleure carte monde pour l’accessibilité

[Vincent Bergeot]

Bonjour,

c'est le titre français de ce billet de blog sur OpenStreetMap.org :

https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/12/04/la-meilleure-carte-monde-pour-laccessibilite/?lang=fr

Jean-Marie Favreau fait partie de l'équipe du Compas déjà partagé ici 
(https://compas.limos.fr)


Bonne lecture

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Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

[Joseph Eisenberg]

[This is the current text:]

This document is an attempt to summarize the expectations the OpenStreetMap
mapper community has for OSM data users regarding the attribution required
by the OpenStreetMap license.

In line with the general culture of OpenStreetMap it does not try to
provide step by step instructions on how to attribute but instead gives
advice on how the community views attribution and allows data users to meet
these expectations under their own responsibility.

Views within the OpenStreetMap mapper community on what kind of attribution
is or should be necessary vary slightly.  This advice in meant to describe
the consensus position in the sense that attribution designed based on this
advice will find a broad consensus among mappers to be acceptable.

== Why we require attribution ==

OpenStreetMap data is produced and maintained primarily by volunteer
mappers.  Data users do not need to provide any financial or other form of
remuneration to mappers for using their work - except attribution.
Attribution of use of OpenStreetMap data is the acknowledgement you need to
give to the mappers for the work they provide, which you are otherwise free
to use.  By doing so you express your respect and appreciation of the work
of millions of OpenStreetMap contributors that they allow you to freely
use, and help new volunteer mappers join the community for the benefit of
all database users. If your users do not know that OpenStreetMap is the
source of your data, they will not be able to fix mistakes and improve the
quality of the database. Not all OpenStreetMap mappers individually make
their contribution contingent on data users providing attribution but we
all expect this attribution to be provided by all data users as the
collective position of the whole mapper community based on which we have
chosen the license for our data.

== What we mean by attribution ==

What we understand attribution to mean is formally stated in [
https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1-0/ section 4.3 of the ODbL]:

*"However, if you Publicly Use a Produced Work, You must include a notice
associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person
that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the
Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database, Derivative
Database, or the Database as part of a Collective Database, and that it is
available under this License."*

What we mean by this is that the criterion for a valid attribution is if it
effectively makes the user aware that OpenStreetMap data licensed under the
ODbL is used.  In case of an interactive map the widely used form of
attribution shown in one of the corners of the map can fulfill this
requirement when displayed at least in a size and prominence comparable to
other content displayed on the screen.  But it can also fail to do so if
displayed right next to a blinking ad catching all the user's attention,
for example.  It is the responsibility of those who publicly use
OpenStreetMap data to ensure the attribution fulfills its purpose and makes
the user aware of the provenience of the data.

You need to actively communicate this information to the user to meet these
requirements.  Merely making it available to users who are actively seeking
this information is not enough.

While we require you to attribute use of OpenStreetMap data we also want
you to only attribute OpenStreetMap for data which comes from our database
and not for any other geodata you might use in addition.  Therefore you
should be specific about what elements of your map or other work are based
on OpenStreetMap data in your attribution.

=== Interactive maps ===

In interactive applications of OpenStreetMap data, such as interactive
maps, it is accepted among mappers if the information about the nature of
the OpenStreetMap data license is provided through a link in contexts where
links are a generally expected method to provide more detailed
information.  The condition for this is that the medium of display allows
showing the information behind the link in a form readable for the user.
This condition needs to be considered in particular for applications that
are likely to be used offline.

The traditional form of attribution text in interactive online applications
is "© [https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright OpenStreetMap contributors]"
with a link to https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright.  This emphasizes
the above mentioned purpose of the attribution acknowledging the work of
the mappers.  The shortened "© OpenStreetMap" is typically also accepted
though some mappers prefer the longer and more specific version.

Note making the user aware does not require continuously nagging them about
it.  In a single user viewing situation it is perfectly all right - and in
some cases even desirable - to allow the user to hide the attribution after
seeing it. However, the attribution should not be automatically hidden
without action by the user


=== 

Re: [talk-au] How to map around blocked roads

[Bob Cameron]

I don't know sorry. Given that it is located in a large pasture rural 
area I would expect that it would never be enforced. Farm workers will 
drive by the easiest route.


As I understand it when a rural road is closed it is often handed back 
to the owner of the surrounding or adjacent land, thence making it 
private property. In that case fencing and signage would be expected 
which this hasn't.


I will email the District Council of Kimba for clarification out of 
interest. If I get a timely reply I will post here.


For the moment I have created a point - barrier:debris tag and altered 
the way to side step it.


On 4/12/20 11:08 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au wrote:
What is the legal situation? Can you legally use that bypass and 
continue on

the blocked road?


Dec 4, 2020, 03:19 by bob3b...@skymesh.com.au:

I don't do a lot of mapping, so thought I'd better check.

Where a road has been closed by a barrier, but people have driven
around it, making their own road.

Example - Far left of this frame, intersection of Eyre Highway and
(unsealed) Cows Head Corner Rd, SA - south side of Eyre.


https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/bob3bob3?lat=-33.20304604612525=136.1608876148938=17=44LIDXGpBljYGVWNj26uIw=photo=0.2439527070079778=0.6356433099503748=2.001460004581609

Reflective barrier warning sign in place, two mounds of dirt.

Have looked at the tagging guidelines for regional "not there"
roads. I am guessing that I should cut the minor road short of the
highway, then add in a short section with a allowed access tag for
something?

Advice please.

Cheers Bob





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Re: [OSM-talk] I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

it occurs to me that I should have provided more context to this message.

I wrote:

On 12/3/20 00:44, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> People have thought the same about Donald Trump - yeah, this
> whole grab-them-by-the-pussy talk is just showmanship and once elected
> he'll be more presidential. But don't be fooled. Mike is going to grab
> our licence by the pussy just as he promised he would

The quote I have been using is from a tape recording of Donald Trump,
the outgoing president of the United States of America. The full quote
goes like this:

"And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab
'em by the pussy. You can do anything."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape)

It was recorded and became public before he became president, but
apparently not enough people found it bad enough, or they thought that
it was just "locker room talk" and not to be taken seriously.

Obviously, "grabbing people by the pussy" is a loathsome thing to do,
and even Trump in this quote is aware of that, because he chooses it as
an example of something that you can do "when you're a star".

Facebook undoubtedly is "a star" on the tech circuit, and they get away
with lots of things that are loathsome. Exactly a year ago today, I have
compiled a small list of these loathsome things here:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/woodpeck/diary/391480 (there's also a
couple of agreeing and disagreeing comments below the post; I'd like to
particularly direct your attention to the agreeing comment by Nancy
Pelosi). More things have happened in the last 12 months of course.

Therefore, the very least I would expect of a board candidate who is
employed by Facebook is to clearly separate their OSMF candidacy from
their employment. I don't see that coming from Mike. I feel that he is
clearly riding the "I am a star" ticket here - "I can do anything".

I have been called out as using sexist language here; for me, it looked
like I was using very well-known political quote that clearly expressed
the concept of "person believes they can get away with doing loathsome
things because they are a star, and they even get elected".

My statement was not intended to trivialize sexual harassment (and I
would certainly not have been one of the 60+ million Americans who
thought that "this was just locker room talk" and waved Trump through in
2016 had I been an American citizen). But my statement needed something
loathsome to work. Whatever other wording I could have chosen - like:
"get away with murder" - could have been interpreted as trivializing
whichever loathsome thing I would have used; so I'm at a loss here.

(Just to be clear, I have not accused Mike of any form of sexual
harassment, just as I don't accuse someone of murder when I say that
they think they can get away with murder.)

Those of you who think that my comments were divisive, or lacked
politeness, I'm sorry but I cannot accommodate you, I think that in a
situation like this clear and strong words are required to condemn
loathsome activities by a company, or a lack of distancing by that
company's employee.

But those of you who feel that by quoting Trump as a bad example and
painting Mike as walking in those "when you're a star you can do
anything" footsteps I have trivialized sexual harassment or somehow made
sexual harassment more likely or denigrated women or made it less likely
for them to want to join the OSMF board - I'm sorry, I apologize, it
wasn't my intention.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-GB] River Lugg

[Edward Bainton]

Perhaps, more in hope than expectation, it could be tagged 'under
construction'
:-/

On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 16:46, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> Terrible news from Herefordshire:
>
>
> https://www.ledburyreporter.co.uk/news/18920990.environment-agency-launch-probe-river-lugg-destruction/
>
>
> https://www.wildlifetrusts.org/news/horror-destruction-nationally-important-uk-river
>
> about illegal reprofiling of a mile-long stretch of the Lugg. But we
> probably still need to map the changes.
>
> Do we have anyone local?
>
> --
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> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Talk-de] Kandidatur für den OSMF-Vorstand

[Mark Obrembalski]

On 04.12.20 20:48, Volker via Talk-de wrote:

Hallo Tobias,

ich bin zwar kein OSMF-Mitglied. Wäre ich es, ich würde Dich wählen.


Für die anstehende Wahl ist es zwar zu spät, aber was künftige Wahlen 
angeht, könntest Du ja einfach beitreten...


Beste Grüße,
Mark


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[OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

[Joseph Eisenberg]

I appreciate the wik page "Community attribution advice" which was made by
another community member. It seems to give good advice about how database
users can comply with the attribution guidelines in a way that everybody*
in this community can support.

Please review the page and make any comments for improvement if needed:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_attribution_advice

-- Joseph Eisenberg

(*Note that "everybody" does not include the interests of corporations,
which are not persons, but rather the interests of individual mappers and
database users)
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Re: [Talk-de] Kandidatur für den OSMF-Vorstand

[Volker via Talk-de]

Hallo Tobias,

ich bin zwar kein OSMF-Mitglied. Wäre ich es, ich würde Dich wählen. Die
4 Punkte / Herausforderungen treffen genau ins Schwarze und entsprechen
auch dem, was ich seit einiger Zeit beobachte und befürchte. Ich bin mir
sicher dass Du wieder gewählt wirst und wünsche Dir einen langen Atem
zur Durchsetzung Deiner Schwerpunkte.

Gruß

Volker aka aeonesa

Am 04.12.2020 um 16:19 schrieb Tobias Knerr:
> Hallo zusammen,
>
> morgen beginnen die diesjährigen Vorstandswahlen¹ der OSM Foundation,
> und wie einige von euch schon wissen, habe mich entschieden, noch einmal
> anzutreten.
>
> Ich bin ja jetzt seit zwei Jahren Vorstandsmitglied. Nicht alle Ideen,
> die ich bei meiner letzten Wahl hatte, waren im Vorstand mehrheitsfähig,
> aber einiges konnte ich doch umsetzen – etwa die Mehrheit der Punkte,
> die ich in meinem damaligen Wahlprogramm² aufgeführt hatte.
>
> Nichtsdestotrotz ist das eigentlich eine Daueraufgabe. Manche Probleme
> sind wir angegangen, dafür kommen neue Herausforderungen auf uns zu, z.B.:
>
> * Die zunehmende Firmenpräsenz in den Working Groups der OSMF.
> * Die Risiken, wenn Arbeit in der Foundation zunehmend durch bezahlte
> Kräfte erledigt wird.
> * Der wachsende Anteil bezahlten und organisierten Mappings an den
> Beiträgen zu OSM, und die Nutzung von Werkzeugen wie RapiD.
> * Die immer noch unzureichende Durchsetzung unserer Standards für
> Namensnennung, gerade bei prominenten Datennutzern wie Facebook.
>
> Dafür zu sorgen, dass die Interessen der freiwilligen Mapper bei den
> Veränderungen in OSM nicht unter die Räder kommen, wird also weiter ein
> Schwerpunkt für mich sein. Allerdings will ich mich nicht darauf
> beschränken. Mir liegt auch am Herzen, den Innovationsstau bei der
> zentralen Infrastruktur von OSM zu lösen: Dass etwa die API seit über
> einem Jahrzehnt keine großen Updates mehr erlebt hat, die OSM-Hauptseite
> nur einen Bruchteil der Möglichkeiten von OSM zeigt, die Leute von Forum
> und Mailingliste in proprietäre soziale Netzwerke abwandern oder dass
> wir lange gewünschten Website-Features in den letzten Jahren kaum einen
> Schritt näher gekommen sind. Da die OSMF diese Dienste betreibt, sollten
> wir auch dafür sorgen, dass sie mit dem Rest des OSM-Universums Schritt
> halten.
>
> Die offizielle Sammlung³ der Antworten und Positionen aller Kandidaten
> wurde inzwischen veröffentlicht, meine findet ihr hier:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM20/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos/Tobias_Knerr
>
> Dort äußere ich mich sehr viel ausführlicher (auf Englisch, aber es
> überlebt eine automatische Übersetzung einigermaßen heil :)). Ich stehe
> euch aber auch hier auf der Liste gern Rede und Antwort!
>
> Viele Grüße,
> Tobias
>
>
> PS: Ich möchte euch bei dieser Gelegenheit die zusammen mit den Wahlen
> stattfindenden Abstimmungen über eine Ausweitung der Beitragsbefreiung
> für aktive Mapper auf die normale Mitgliedschaft sowie die beiden
> Vorschläge zum Schutz vor Übernahmeversuchen (Mindestvoraussetzungen für
> die Mitgliedschaft, Verbot von durch den Arbeitgeber gesteuerter
> Stimmabgabe) ans Herz legen. Die letzten beiden sind zwar noch keine
> konkreten Änderungen, sondern nur eine Aufforderung an den Vorstand,
> entsprechende Vorschläge zu erarbeiten, aber ein klares Ergebnis würde
> dennoch ein wichtiges Signal senden.
>
>
> ¹ https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM20/Election_to_Board
> ²
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:De:Tordanik/2018_OSMF_board_elections_manifesto
> ³
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM20/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Le bourg d'une commune

[ades]

Anecdotique : et pour Soulaire-et-Bourg 
(https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulaire-et-Bourg#G%C3%A9ographie 
) ont avait le 
Bourg de Soulaire et La Bourg de Bourg, je ne connais pas assez pour savoir où 
ces deux bourgs sont passés ;)
Mais il doit bien rester une zone aglomérée qui s’appelle Soulaire et une 
seconde qui s’appelle Bourg… dans le même coin (ou pas loin) y-a aussi le Bourg 
d’Iré…

> Le 4 déc. 2020 à 16:45, Rpnpif via Talk-fr  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Le 03/12/2020 à 23:49, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :
>> 
>> Le 03/12/2020 à 21:55, deuzeffe - opensm@deuzeffe.org a écrit :
>>> Le 03/12/2020 à 11:04, Rpnpif via Talk-fr a écrit :
>>> 
>>> Bonsoir,
>>> 
 À Nantes, on a bien le Lieu unique ;) qui devrait être un nom commun.
>>> 
>>> Si tu es Nantais, tu sais bien que /Le Lieu Unique/ est bien un nom
>>> propre (name=), comme le dit ades, (avec une évocation du passé du
>>> lieu dans lequel il est installé...)
>>> 
>> Tu veux dite le lieu unique (https://www.lelieuunique.com/,
>> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Lieu_unique).
>> 
>> Et oui ils ont mit tout en minuscules.
>> 
>> Dans OSM 3 majuscules mais l'arrêt de bus n'a pas d'article.
>> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=le%20lieu%20unique#map=19/47.21529/-1.54560
>>  
>> 
>> Oui vous avez bien LU.
>> 
>> Le 03/12/2020 à 11:04, Rpnpif via Talk-fr - talk-fr@openstreetmap.org a
>> écrit :
>>> 
>>> Mon propre nom en a subi les conséquences.
>> 
>> C'est vrai que Rpnpif ;-).
>> 
>> Je ne sais qui dans le Lot a eu l'idée d'appeler une commune le bourg
>> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Bourg
>> 
>> Mais sinon les bourgs sont des dénominations génériques signifiant le
>> centre aggloméré de la commune.
>> 
>> Après il y a des dénominations spécifiques, au bourg de Guidel ils ont
>> bien réussi à faire un "Villeneuve le Bourg"
>> 
>> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=47.791543=-3.4902096=17=CrtrlHno_7alPyfFePQ6yg=photo=0.2556606449554435=0.5015682081004983=2
>>  
>> Oui c'est une impasse ! Qui est 3 fois dans FANTOIR : lieu-dit (en
>> double) et voie sans adresses (1 entreprise de taxi). Dans OSM il y le
>> voisinage, pas la rue car il n'y pas de plaque de rue mais juste en
>> direction en début d'impasse. Devrait-on ajouter un noname=yes ? Je me
>> suis contenté de mettre la ref FANTOIR.
>> 
>> Jean-Yvon 
> 
> Le « lieu unique » c'était une petite provocation ;) pour montrer que les 
> choses ne sont pas binaires.
> 
> Sinon je suis d'accord avec ce qu'écrit Christian Rogel dans le fil.
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Washington DC place node cleanup

[Ray Kiddy]

On 12/4/20 3:43 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Hi,

On 04.12.20 12:33, Mikel Maron wrote:

I'm not sure what the "name" tag should be, but I am wondering what the point of the 
translations are which simply duplicate the default name. Is it like a marker to say "don't 
try calling this place anything else"? Is that common, seems unneccesary?
FYI, other cases of this exist. States are usually assumed to completely 
partition a country, but there are lots of federal districts that are 
not in a state. I think Mexico City and Brasilia are both like this. If 
not, it is Friday. My apologies.


Every now and then we have an avid fan of language X go around the globe
and add name:X tags, it always looks to me like an attempt at making the
language more relevant (especially if name:X==name). "Hey, language X is
not dead yet, we still call Washington Washington!!!"


Well, there are cases you would want names in, for example, Russian. 
Most Russian speakers can, I suspect, sound out words in the Latin 
alphabet, but it is a thing.


And if you wanted to start a fight, you could go around tagging things 
with Kurdish language versions. That would be fun, yes? :--



I have often argued for just dropping name:X if it is the name as name,
because I would assume that every language-specific map or other use
case would revert to the name tag if no language-specific name was present.
Automated crawlers could find these. Are there any crawlers doing this 
and putting up edits?

The counter-argument was usually that if Washington has a
name:de=Washington then you positively know that this is the name used
in Germany, whereas if it doesn't have a name:de tag it might just be
"not yet mapped".

Fat chance with name:de ;)


Yeah, Germans. I had a German manager once who spoke at a very large 
public gathering and mentioned "America and the 53 states". There was 
much hilarity. Of course, he was right that because lists of states 
sometimes need to include Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Marshall Islands. 
It took a bit of time to realize that, though.


We all learn, every day.

cheers - ray


Bye
Frederik



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[OSM-talk-fr] [OSM-Talk-fr] "Il va falloir changer quelques noms de rues"

[Florian LAINEZ]

On va avoir du boulot !
https://www.bfmtv.com/politique/macron-veut-honorer-300-a-500-noms-de-personnalites-noires-ou-arabes-dans-l-espace-public_AN-202012040274.html
En lisant entre les lignes je crois comprendre que c'est sa manière à lui
de nous faire un cadeau de Noël anticipé. Parce qu'une carte qui ne change
pas, c'est tellement triste !

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Re: [Talk-us] Washington DC place node cleanup

[Kevin Kenny]

Native en-US speaker here.

The city of Washington and the District of Columbia are coterminous.
Toponyms such as 'Georgetown', 'Anacostial', 'University Heights', refer to
neighbourhoods within the city.

It's quite common in the US to say, 'D.C.' when talking about the city -
perhaps even commoner than saying 'Washington'.  There are many contexts in
which the city and state of Washington introduce an ambiguity, so it's also
pretty common to say, 'Washington State' if context doesn't make it clear
that the state is what's intended.

The full name, 'District of Columbia', is almost never used colloquially;
it's always abbreviated when speaking.



On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 6:04 AM Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> when reverting an edit this morning I noticed that the node for
> Washington (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/158368533) has myriad
> name:xx tags, many of which seem to be some variant of "Washington D.C."
> (with or without commas or dots), whereas the "local" name seems to be
> just Washington, without the D.C.
>
> As a native speaker of German I can assure you that we don't call the US
> capital "Washington D.C." as the name:de tag claims; I would assume that
> it is similar for most other languages. The German-language OSM map at
> https://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html?zoom=10=38.70174=-76.93764
> has a mechanism where it displays the German name and then, if the local
> name is different, the local name below; since the German name
> "Washington D.C." and the local name "Washington" are different, this
> leads to a somewhat funny display (whereas the logic works ok for other
> US cities).
>
> I could of course fix the German name but I think that it might need a
> more thorough review and I don't feel competent for that.
>
> Two name tags (and this is checking only those that use Roman letters)
> look like they might be entirely wrong and refer to the District of
> Columbia only:
>
> name:lfn=Distrito de Columbia
> name:mi=Takiwā o Columbia
>
> Then again, I've heard people say "I was in D.C." and mean the city, so
> perhaps that *is* a legitimate name for the city? Maybe someone in the
> US community wants to have a look and do this right.
>
> It is a bit of a conundrum in OSM - we usually say that local knowledge
> tops everything, but then again for many of the languages there might
> not even *be* a local Washington mapper in OSM ;)
>
> Bye
> Frederik
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Re: [OSM-talk] Sophox server down

[Yuri Astrakhan]

The Hetzner hardware gave up, and I have to rebuild it.  Elastic (the
company I work for) has donated their Google Cloud resources, so just need
to spend some time on it, and see if a GCP VM would work as well as a bare
metal box.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:14 PM Yves P.  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The sophox.org server is down from several weeks. It's impossible to
> query data items 
> Does anybody have news ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> —
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>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

Dec 4, 2020, 17:37 by michael.montan...@gmail.com:

> nothing is letting them know that they are actually vandalising the map.
>
If they continue to edit and ignore comments then contacting Data Working Group
would be the next step (they can use 0-time block that makes sure that someone
will read message before further editing).

>  It's difficult also to proceed with full reverts because some tags from time 
> to time seem reasonable, but can be challenging to verify on the ground.
>
If nonsense is mixed with potentially valid edits and user is not responding 
then
full scale reverts are perfectly fine.

> I'm actually wondering about the causes of such bad tags, is Maps.Me using 
> preset 
> names which are difficult to associate to actual tags?
>
maps.me is quite confusing/unclear in describing what is actually edited, how 
OSM
works and users can add only add points from a limited preset.

That is why so many things are added as tourism=attraction (it is also the first
on the list)

>  Should it be mandatory for OSM editors to show OSM notifications?
>
Maybe, at least strongly encouraged.

> It seems also Maps.Me itself is difficult to contact!! > 
> https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/13951
>
Their issue tracker is basically write only and they basically ignore bug 
reports,
especially in recent years.

See https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/created_by/matkoniecz

See also at https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues how many issues of all 
reported
are open (2/3 ratio is typical for abandoned or completely dysfunctional 
projects).

In fact, real issue tracker used by developers is private (at least it was some 
time ago
when I still tried to report bugs and expected that there is a real chance of a 
fix).
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[OSM-talk] Sophox server down

[Yves P.]

Hi,

The sophox.org server is down from several weeks. It's impossible to query data 
items 
Does anybody have news ?

Best regards,

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Re: [Talk-GB] Idea - OSMUK walkers' map application

[David Woolley]

On 04/12/2020 16:38, Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB wrote:
However as you say council take up could be problematic. Maybe we could 
provide a link to FixMyStreet?


Some councils insist that problem reports only come through their own 
web sites, or reluctantly, by phone, and will ignore emails (which is 
the default presentation for FixMyStreet).


The web sites generally provide structured input, whereas FixMyStreet is 
generally free text, and also, the web site sometimes bypasses the 
council contact centre, and goes direct to the out sourced contractor.


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[Talk-GB] River Lugg

[Andy Mabbett]

Terrible news from Herefordshire:

   
https://www.ledburyreporter.co.uk/news/18920990.environment-agency-launch-probe-river-lugg-destruction/

   
https://www.wildlifetrusts.org/news/horror-destruction-nationally-important-uk-river

about illegal reprofiling of a mile-long stretch of the Lugg. But we
probably still need to map the changes.

Do we have anyone local?

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@pigsonthewing
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Michael Montani]

Dear all,

I'm calling back a discussion on this mailing list on how Maps.Me edits
most of the times result to be very bad and close to vandalism. Furthermore
it seems the editor hasn't any notification system (as iD and JOSM) to tell
the user that at least someone sent an OSM message.

We found out some users mapping very bad (and huge quantity) of POIs here
and there in:
- DRC: An user mapping over all the country, including sensible, temporary
data like an assault place in Irumu
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8018353585#map=19/1.45249/29.87712
(mapped as shop=butcher, with questionable dark sarcasm), plus many other
questionable ones
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/format%20answer/history#map=10/1.2949/29.9117
- Mali: An user putting thousands of office=government in Bamako and other
cities, making impossible to produce decent urban maps out of OSM data
within a capital city...
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/seydoukone/history#map=11/12.6172/-7.9153

What worries me the most is that no one of these users are answering to
messages (and it's very common among Maps.Me users as I see...) and even if
they could be reverted, nothing is letting them know that they are actually
vandalising the map. It's difficult also to proceed with full reverts
because some tags from time to time seem reasonable, but can be challenging
to verify on the ground.

I'm actually wondering about the causes of such bad tags, is Maps.Me using
preset names which are difficult to associate to actual tags? Should it be
mandatory for OSM editors to show OSM notifications? It seems also Maps.Me
itself is difficult to contact!! https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/13951

Thank you,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Idea - OSMUK walkers' map application

[Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB]

I was just thinking it might be a nice idea to have a completely open path 
problems API that could be used not only for councils but also third party 
applications.

However as you say council take up could be problematic. Maybe we could provide 
a link to FixMyStreet?

Nick



From: Jon Pennycook 
Sent: 04 December 2020 15:51
To: Nick Whitelegg 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Idea - OSMUK walkers' map application

For reporting problems, maybe FixMyStreet might be interested - see 
https://osm.fixmystreet.com/
They have sold a product to some councils to allow integration between the 
website and the council's (and their contractor's) back end systems.

I think that trying to encourage councils to use another API might be a 
challenge unless you offer them money.


On Fri, 4 Dec 2020, 15:43 Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB, 
mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:
Hi,

Just floating an idea for a possible OSMUK site, namely an OSMUK 
'semi-official'  web application for walkers and hikers.

This could provide similar functionality to sites such as the Ramblers' 
Pathwatch 
(https://www.ramblers.org.uk/advice/pathwatch-report-path-features-and-problems.aspx)
 allowing users to report path problems as well as nice views, historical sites 
and so on. It could also provide info such as train or bus times (by clicking 
on a rail station), beers served (for a pub), routing via public transport to a 
given countryside location, and so on.

Reported path problems could be then made available via an API, which could be 
used by councils - and, given we have the council ROW data available to us via 
rowmaps.com  - the right of way reference could be sourced 
from this if it's not in OSM already.

For rendering, we could perhaps use Andy Townsend's SomeoneElse-style, maybe 
tweaked a little, as it appears to be the most actively maintained of all the 
England and Wales renderings. This could be setup on our own server, I seem to 
remember experimenting with this a couple of years ago when the OSMUK idea was 
first floated, on a server which had been loaned to the community (I need to 
re-check my emails, and indeed check if this server is still open for us to 
use!)

I've done similar things to this in the past on a small scale, e.g. Freemap 
(free-map.org.uk) once had the facility to add path 
problems, but now we have the OSMUK organisation in existence, maybe a 
semi-official OSMUK walkers' map with added functionality would have greater 
traction and it's something that could be launched as a project on GitHub?

Thanks,
Nick



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Re: [OSM-talk] I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions

[ndrw6]

Since you asked, I am a company employee myself and I fully support Michal in 
following his company's official position. We are not talking about a matter 
that would warrant whistleblowing, we disagree on an interpretation of a 
license term we all agree is not very specific. All interpretations are 
arbitrary, to know which one of them is (legally) right we would have to take 
Facebook to court.

I agree with most of you that unless Facebook changes their position to 
something much more proactive and aligned with the spirit of the project, no 
one from the company should be allowed on the OSMF board. If, however, Michal 
had managed to convince the company to do just that, it would make him, as a 
Facebook employee, a very strong candidate.

Conversely, if Michal had left his job to avoid a conflict of interest, he 
would obviously qualify but he wouldn't bring nearly as much value to OSMF.

-ndrw6


On 4 December 2020 13:27:58 GMT, Christoph Hormann  wrote:
>Danke, dass Du dich hier noch mal ganz eindeutig für jegliche
>Verantwortungs-Position in OpenStreetMap disqualifizierst.
>
>Zum Verständnis:  Zunächst fällt Michal zum Thema Attribution nichts
>anderes ein, als mechanisch-roboterhaft die Formulierungen anderer
>nachzuplappern.  Die Frage nach der eigenen Meinung, ob Facebook bei
>seiner derzeitigen Datennutzung den Anforderungen der Quellennennung
>von OpenStreetMap genügt, wird geflissentlich ignoriert.  Eine eigene
>Überzeugung zum Thema ist offensichtlich nicht vorhanden.
>
>Und dann schmeißt der Kandidat zum Abschluss noch einmal wild mit Dreck
>um sich, wobei er sein Ziel um Meilen verfehlt und stattdessen als
>Kollateralschaden Mateusz und Mikel trifft - stevea hat das bereits
>recht gut und ausführlich erklärt.
>
>Zum Abschluss: Was mich freuen würde ist, wenn hier mal ein paar andere
>Mitarbeiter von Großunternehmen auftauchen würden und deutlich machten,
>dass das keine Haltung ist, die sie unterstützen.  Wer in der
>OSM-Community als Angestellter von Unternehmen im OSM-Umfeld nicht nur
>als Vertreter seines Arbeitgebers, sondern auch als Individuum
>wahrgenommen werden möchte, muss zumindest gelegentlich auch deutlich
>machen, dass er oder sie Überzeugungen und Werte vertreten, die nicht
>gegenüber dem Gehalts-Scheck zurückgestellt werden.  Dies wäre eine
>gute Gelegenheit dafür.
>
>
>
>Non-authoritive English translation from deepl:
>
>Thanks for disqualifying yourself for any position of responsibility in
>OpenStreetMap.
>
>For understanding: First of all, Michal can't think of anything else to
>say about attribution but to mechanically and robotically parrot the
>phrases of others.  The question of his own opinion whether Facebook,
>with its current data usage, meets the requirements of source
>attribution in OpenStreetMap is deliberately ignored.  There is
>obviously no own conviction on the subject.
>
>And then the candidate throws dirt around wildly at the end, missing
>his target by miles and instead hitting Mateusz and Mikel as collateral
>damage - stevea has already explained this quite well and in detail.
>
>At the end: What would make me happy is if a few other employees of
>large companies would show up here and make it clear that this is not
>an attitude they support.  If you want to be perceived in the OSM
>community as an employee of companies in the OSM environment, not only
>as a representative of your employer, but also as an individual, you
>have to make it clear, at least occasionally, that he or she represents
>beliefs and values that are not put on the back burner compared to the
>paycheck.  This would be a good opportunity for this.
>
>-- 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Le bourg d'une commune

[Rpnpif via Talk-fr]

Le 03/12/2020 à 23:49, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :


Le 03/12/2020 à 21:55, deuzeffe - opensm@deuzeffe.org a écrit :

Le 03/12/2020 à 11:04, Rpnpif via Talk-fr a écrit :

Bonsoir,


À Nantes, on a bien le Lieu unique ;) qui devrait être un nom commun.


Si tu es Nantais, tu sais bien que /Le Lieu Unique/ est bien un nom
propre (name=), comme le dit ades, (avec une évocation du passé du
lieu dans lequel il est installé...)


Tu veux dite le lieu unique (https://www.lelieuunique.com/,
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Lieu_unique).

Et oui ils ont mit tout en minuscules.

Dans OSM 3 majuscules mais l'arrêt de bus n'a pas d'article.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=le%20lieu%20unique#map=19/47.21529/-1.54560 



Oui vous avez bien LU.

Le 03/12/2020 à 11:04, Rpnpif via Talk-fr - talk-fr@openstreetmap.org a
écrit :


Mon propre nom en a subi les conséquences.


C'est vrai que Rpnpif ;-).

Je ne sais qui dans le Lot a eu l'idée d'appeler une commune le bourg
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Bourg

Mais sinon les bourgs sont des dénominations génériques signifiant le
centre aggloméré de la commune.

Après il y a des dénominations spécifiques, au bourg de Guidel ils ont
bien réussi à faire un "Villeneuve le Bourg"

https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=47.791543=-3.4902096=17=CrtrlHno_7alPyfFePQ6yg=photo=0.2556606449554435=0.5015682081004983=2 


Oui c'est une impasse ! Qui est 3 fois dans FANTOIR : lieu-dit (en
double) et voie sans adresses (1 entreprise de taxi). Dans OSM il y le
voisinage, pas la rue car il n'y pas de plaque de rue mais juste en
direction en début d'impasse. Devrait-on ajouter un noname=yes ? Je me
suis contenté de mettre la ref FANTOIR.

Jean-Yvon 


Le « lieu unique » c'était une petite provocation ;) pour montrer que 
les choses ne sont pas binaires.


Sinon je suis d'accord avec ce qu'écrit Christian Rogel dans le fil.

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[Talk-GB] Idea - OSMUK walkers' map application

[Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB]

Hi,

Just floating an idea for a possible OSMUK site, namely an OSMUK 
'semi-official'  web application for walkers and hikers.

This could provide similar functionality to sites such as the Ramblers' 
Pathwatch 
(https://www.ramblers.org.uk/advice/pathwatch-report-path-features-and-problems.aspx)
 allowing users to report path problems as well as nice views, historical sites 
and so on. It could also provide info such as train or bus times (by clicking 
on a rail station), beers served (for a pub), routing via public transport to a 
given countryside location, and so on.

Reported path problems could be then made available via an API, which could be 
used by councils - and, given we have the council ROW data available to us via 
rowmaps.com  - the right of way reference could be sourced from this if it's 
not in OSM already.

For rendering, we could perhaps use Andy Townsend's SomeoneElse-style, maybe 
tweaked a little, as it appears to be the most actively maintained of all the 
England and Wales renderings. This could be setup on our own server, I seem to 
remember experimenting with this a couple of years ago when the OSMUK idea was 
first floated, on a server which had been loaned to the community (I need to 
re-check my emails, and indeed check if this server is still open for us to 
use!)

I've done similar things to this in the past on a small scale, e.g. Freemap 
(free-map.org.uk) once had the facility to add path problems, but now we have 
the OSMUK organisation in existence, maybe a semi-official OSMUK walkers' map 
with added functionality would have greater traction and it's something that 
could be launched as a project on GitHub?

Thanks,
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[Talk-de] Kandidatur für den OSMF-Vorstand

[Tobias Knerr]

Hallo zusammen,

morgen beginnen die diesjährigen Vorstandswahlen¹ der OSM Foundation,
und wie einige von euch schon wissen, habe mich entschieden, noch einmal
anzutreten.

Ich bin ja jetzt seit zwei Jahren Vorstandsmitglied. Nicht alle Ideen,
die ich bei meiner letzten Wahl hatte, waren im Vorstand mehrheitsfähig,
aber einiges konnte ich doch umsetzen – etwa die Mehrheit der Punkte,
die ich in meinem damaligen Wahlprogramm² aufgeführt hatte.

Nichtsdestotrotz ist das eigentlich eine Daueraufgabe. Manche Probleme
sind wir angegangen, dafür kommen neue Herausforderungen auf uns zu, z.B.:

* Die zunehmende Firmenpräsenz in den Working Groups der OSMF.
* Die Risiken, wenn Arbeit in der Foundation zunehmend durch bezahlte
Kräfte erledigt wird.
* Der wachsende Anteil bezahlten und organisierten Mappings an den
Beiträgen zu OSM, und die Nutzung von Werkzeugen wie RapiD.
* Die immer noch unzureichende Durchsetzung unserer Standards für
Namensnennung, gerade bei prominenten Datennutzern wie Facebook.

Dafür zu sorgen, dass die Interessen der freiwilligen Mapper bei den
Veränderungen in OSM nicht unter die Räder kommen, wird also weiter ein
Schwerpunkt für mich sein. Allerdings will ich mich nicht darauf
beschränken. Mir liegt auch am Herzen, den Innovationsstau bei der
zentralen Infrastruktur von OSM zu lösen: Dass etwa die API seit über
einem Jahrzehnt keine großen Updates mehr erlebt hat, die OSM-Hauptseite
nur einen Bruchteil der Möglichkeiten von OSM zeigt, die Leute von Forum
und Mailingliste in proprietäre soziale Netzwerke abwandern oder dass
wir lange gewünschten Website-Features in den letzten Jahren kaum einen
Schritt näher gekommen sind. Da die OSMF diese Dienste betreibt, sollten
wir auch dafür sorgen, dass sie mit dem Rest des OSM-Universums Schritt
halten.

Die offizielle Sammlung³ der Antworten und Positionen aller Kandidaten
wurde inzwischen veröffentlicht, meine findet ihr hier:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM20/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos/Tobias_Knerr

Dort äußere ich mich sehr viel ausführlicher (auf Englisch, aber es
überlebt eine automatische Übersetzung einigermaßen heil :)). Ich stehe
euch aber auch hier auf der Liste gern Rede und Antwort!

Viele Grüße,
Tobias


PS: Ich möchte euch bei dieser Gelegenheit die zusammen mit den Wahlen
stattfindenden Abstimmungen über eine Ausweitung der Beitragsbefreiung
für aktive Mapper auf die normale Mitgliedschaft sowie die beiden
Vorschläge zum Schutz vor Übernahmeversuchen (Mindestvoraussetzungen für
die Mitgliedschaft, Verbot von durch den Arbeitgeber gesteuerter
Stimmabgabe) ans Herz legen. Die letzten beiden sind zwar noch keine
konkreten Änderungen, sondern nur eine Aufforderung an den Vorstand,
entsprechende Vorschläge zu erarbeiten, aber ein klares Ergebnis würde
dennoch ein wichtiges Signal senden.


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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:De:Tordanik/2018_OSMF_board_elections_manifesto
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bourn Brook/ River Tame near Woodgate Country Park

[Andy Mabbett]

I've been doing some more cleaning up of our data on local waterways.

This node:

   https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/304057596

purports to be the source of both an underground River Tame and the
Bourn Brook; that seems implausible.

I see that the stretch of the Tame from there already has a *nine year
old* note:

   https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/116401839#map=18/52.45030/-2.00592

   Tom -what's the evidence for this - not here in OS StreetView and
seems to be a duplicate


This stream:

   https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/676764236#map=19/52.44945/-2.00666

is unnamed in OSM, but joins what purports to be the Bourn Brook - is
it in fact the Bourn itself? Does it have some other name?

This length of the Bourn:

   https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/27686364#map=15/52.4470/-1.9849

is shown as layer=-1, but not as being culverted or in a tunnel.

Can anyone advise?

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Re: [OSM-talk] YouthMappers/HOT (dis)organized editing.

[Mario Frasca]

Dear John, thank you for helping thinking about the issue.

you mention, at least I recognize, three points:

- planning the mapathon —and let me add— publish this in the wiki, in 
compliance to the Organized Editing Guidelines (OEG);


- matching the place to be mapped with the mappers available (that is 
either focus on the place to be mapped and establish who should help, or 
on the people to introduce to OSM and consequently select a suitable 
place.);


- validation and closing the project.

let me first recall the situation and the events, because I think that 
OSM should require HOT to review their practices, and that together we 
provide some guidance to such beginners chapters, possibly based on the 
above three points.


- when in 2018 HOT assigned the 4917 project to OSM user PANAMA Manuel 
Quintero, he had very limited experience and proved affinity with the 
OSM database and community;


- when in 2019 YouthMappers supported the activity in Guna Nega, they 
should have required the opening of a HOT project for the task;


- in 2020 the same should have happened —and they're still on time to do 
that— for the scattered emergency mapping in: Río Sereno-Río Guizado; 
Volcán-Cerro Punta-Barrio Guadalupe; Boquete-Palmira Abajo; Río 
Chiquito/Río Quiqui; Soloy; La Esperanza-San Valentín (falls in the 4917 
area);


- This chapter makes no attempt at contacting either the local or the 
broader OSM communities, and turns a deaf ear to all input and offers 
for assistance, and gets very effective passive support by both YMI and 
HOT in their non compliance of the OEG.


back to the three points from your writing:

do you think my "recommendations" for the chapter's 2019 activity are of 
any value?


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Panam%C3%A1/Reuni%C3%B3n_2019-03-21

regards,

Mario Frasca


On 02/12/2020 16:50, john whelan wrote:
I would suggest that if someone could identify a list of mapping tasks 
suitable for beginners that might help this sort of thing happening 
again.


I'd done a fair amount of validation of HOT tasks in the past which 
I'm sure are similar and I'm more than aware of the amount of effort 
needed to validate after new untrained enthusiastic mappers have been 
mapping.  Especially when they map only a couple of times.


I'm also aware that it does take a lot of knowledge and resources to 
clean up afterwards.


Do we need a half page introduction to OSM? Something along the lines 
of if you are organising some sort of mapathon these are things you 
need to consider and theses are the sort of things that have caused 
problems in the past. I get the feeling the enthusiastic organisers 
are going to do it anyway but it help help a bit.


It doesn't help the present situation but it might help prevent more 
problems in the future.


Cheerio John


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 16:29 Mario Frasca > wrote:


Hi Rory,

let's include the list, so you're talking with the whole
community, not just to me.

BACKGROUND: we're trying to have the YouthMappers Chapter of the
University of Panama consider they're mapping within OSM, that
there's a local community of mappers already mapping, and with
some experience in different fields.

unfortunately, the YMUP Chapter refuses to reply to comments to
their changesets, or to consider complaints about their low
quality of edits, and the sheer mass of beginners they throw into
not-too-simple tasks.  recently they had their yearly "Gis Day",
please don't ask me what it is, because I don't know, only that
there's a hashtag being used once a year by the YouthMappers UP
Chapter. also please don't ask me who's inside this chapter,
because I don't know.

when Mateusz wrote to i...@youthmappers.org
 about their organized editing
activity without declaration of intents, the result of his writing
was that HOT opened two projects on top of two areas we from the
community were editing using the tasking manager from
tareas.openstreetmap.co , forcing
us to clean up the edits while they were coming in.  that's
Santiago and Colón.

in Santiago we reverted several changesets, and made the effort to
close their project so they would stay away from the work which
was anyway almost complete.

in Colón we stopped editing downtown, leaving it to the YMUP Chapter.

there's still no published plan from the chapter, Rory says that
they are reviewing the tasks they had opened, but apart from
beginner mapper agreenish
, arguably adding to
the mass of mistakes, I don't see much editing activity in either
project.

I will write a diary entry, with images, and will try to make it a
structured presentation of what goes on here. there's statistical
data I've collected that shows just how organized the edits from
 

Re: [OSM-talk] I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions

[Christoph Hormann]

Danke, dass Du dich hier noch mal ganz eindeutig für jegliche 
Verantwortungs-Position in OpenStreetMap disqualifizierst.

Zum Verständnis:  Zunächst fällt Michal zum Thema Attribution nichts anderes 
ein, als mechanisch-roboterhaft die Formulierungen anderer nachzuplappern.  Die 
Frage nach der eigenen Meinung, ob Facebook bei seiner derzeitigen Datennutzung 
den Anforderungen der Quellennennung von OpenStreetMap genügt, wird 
geflissentlich ignoriert.  Eine eigene Überzeugung zum Thema ist offensichtlich 
nicht vorhanden.

Und dann schmeißt der Kandidat zum Abschluss noch einmal wild mit Dreck um 
sich, wobei er sein Ziel um Meilen verfehlt und stattdessen als 
Kollateralschaden Mateusz und Mikel trifft - stevea hat das bereits recht gut 
und ausführlich erklärt.

Zum Abschluss: Was mich freuen würde ist, wenn hier mal ein paar andere 
Mitarbeiter von Großunternehmen auftauchen würden und deutlich machten, dass 
das keine Haltung ist, die sie unterstützen.  Wer in der OSM-Community als 
Angestellter von Unternehmen im OSM-Umfeld nicht nur als Vertreter seines 
Arbeitgebers, sondern auch als Individuum wahrgenommen werden möchte, muss 
zumindest gelegentlich auch deutlich machen, dass er oder sie Überzeugungen und 
Werte vertreten, die nicht gegenüber dem Gehalts-Scheck zurückgestellt werden.  
Dies wäre eine gute Gelegenheit dafür.



Non-authoritive English translation from deepl:

Thanks for disqualifying yourself for any position of responsibility in 
OpenStreetMap.

For understanding: First of all, Michal can't think of anything else to say 
about attribution but to mechanically and robotically parrot the phrases of 
others.  The question of his own opinion whether Facebook, with its current 
data usage, meets the requirements of source attribution in OpenStreetMap is 
deliberately ignored.  There is obviously no own conviction on the subject.

And then the candidate throws dirt around wildly at the end, missing his target 
by miles and instead hitting Mateusz and Mikel as collateral damage - stevea 
has already explained this quite well and in detail.

At the end: What would make me happy is if a few other employees of large 
companies would show up here and make it clear that this is not an attitude 
they support.  If you want to be perceived in the OSM community as an employee 
of companies in the OSM environment, not only as a representative of your 
employer, but also as an individual, you have to make it clear, at least 
occasionally, that he or she represents beliefs and values that are not put on 
the back burner compared to the paycheck.  This would be a good opportunity for 
this.

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[OSM-talk-fr] Alimentation, en discuter en janvier / [était la question des produits locaux (alimentation mais sans doute de manière plus large également)]

[Vincent Bergeot]

Le 04/12/2020 à 13:34, Jacques Lavignotte a écrit :



Le 04/12/2020 à 13:17, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :
PS : La question alimentaire se pose à beaucoup d'endroits pour OSM 
aujourd'hui et dans beaucoup de communautés "proches" ... est-ce que 
quelques personnes seraient intéressées par creuser cette question, 
en janvier en visio ?


Y associer : https://circuitscourts.gogocarto.fr/ ?


pour l'instant je resterai coté OSM, ce qui ne veut pas dire qu'ensuite 
on ne peut pas aller voir avec d'autres évidemment.


Des cartes sur l'alimentation, il y a en a des dizaines, centaines mais 
je voudrai surtout creuser les tags, préciser quelques éléments 
importants selon moi dont nous avons vu quelques discussions ici :


 * amap, groupement, cagette, la riche qui dit oui, ... tout ce qui
   concerne des activités localisées, régulières (plusieurs années) et
   qui mettent en lien un ensemble de producteurs et un ensemble
   "fermé" de consommateurs,
 * marché hebdomadaire, stands, forains, marchés des producteurs, ce
   qui anime nos villages et villes
 * typologie des produits, local, de saison, bio, ...
 * liste à construire et pousser plus loin

à plus

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] La question des produits locaux (alimentation mais sans doute de manière plus large également)

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Le 04/12/2020 à 13:17, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :
PS : La question alimentaire se pose à beaucoup d'endroits pour OSM 
aujourd'hui et dans beaucoup de communautés "proches" ... est-ce que 
quelques personnes seraient intéressées par creuser cette question, en 
janvier en visio ?


Y associer : https://circuitscourts.gogocarto.fr/ ?

J.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] La question des produits locaux (alimentation mais sans doute de manière plus large également)

[emeric Prouteau]

Salut Vincent,

Je suis partant pour creuser le sujet.

C'est effectivement un sujet assez touffu car un commerce proposant
majoritairement du local peut également proposer du non local pour étoffer
son offre de produits.

Quelles limites données t-on au local --> Distance, départementale,
régionale, ...

En tout cas le sujet me botte bien et mérite à mon avis un fort intérêt de
par les initiatives locales qui se développent un peu partout autour du
"local".

Emeric,


Le ven. 4 déc. 2020 à 13:20, Vincent Bergeot  a écrit :

> Le 04/12/2020 à 10:33, lejun a écrit :
> > Coquille de ma part, effectivement je voulais parler de produce et non
> > product.
>
> les 2 m'intéressent car par exemple cela peut correspondre aussi bien à
> des légumes que des foies gras (oui le sud-ouest tout ça !!!)
>
> pas sur du coup que produce:local=* ou product:local=* soient
> appropriés-simples-adéquats
>
>
> Le 04/12/2020 à 10:26, Marc_marc a écrit :
> >> Le 4 déc. 2020 à 09:35, Vincent Bergeot  a écrit :
> >>
> >> des magasins comme étant des magasins de produits locaux
> > origin=local
>
> ohhh oui ! plutôt utilisé d'habitude pour des "pays"
> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:origin)
>
> très adapté en première impression, en plus  1 en allemagne, 1 en
> belgique : https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/origin=local
>
> c'est un origin=local qui est déjà international :)
>
> Blague à part, sans doute que cela peut avoir du sens également pour les
> amap et autres groupements de commandes alimentaires qui se concentrent
> sur la proximité !
>
> Merci pour ces retours,
>
> PS : La question alimentaire se pose à beaucoup d'endroits pour OSM
> aujourd'hui et dans beaucoup de communautés "proches" ... est-ce que
> quelques personnes seraient intéressées par creuser cette question, en
> janvier en visio ?
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions

[Andy Mabbett]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 21:50, Michal Migurski  wrote:

> I am speaking here as an individual and not on behalf of Facebook

I'd have no problem with Facebook, or any other commercial
organisation, putting up a candidate for a seat on the board; but I am
having trouble seeing how the above statement can align with the
following:

> FB believes its maps comply...

> My candidacy for the board is explicitly driven by a desire to see commercial
> and organizational use of OSM better represented in the OSMF

> in general it’s much more likely that FB and other companies’ need ... As a
> board member I would work ... to make sure all these overlapping needs
> and desires lead to an OSM that’s stronger together.


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Re: [Talk-us] Washington DC place node cleanup

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us]

Dec 4, 2020, 12:43 by frede...@remote.org:

> I have often argued for just dropping name:X if it is the name as name,
> because I would assume that every language-specific map or other use
> case would revert to the name tag if no language-specific name was present.
>
> The counter-argument was usually that if Washington has a
> name:de=Washington then you positively know that this is the name used
> in Germany, whereas if it doesn't have a name:de tag it might just be
> "not yet mapped".
>
Also, with explicit language tags you can do fallback to other languages
(as described in detail in other posting).

This way you can do "I prefer name:pl, use name:de otherwise, if neither is
present use name:en, if nothing is available, use name tag".
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] La question des produits locaux (alimentation mais sans doute de manière plus large également)

[Vincent Bergeot]

Le 04/12/2020 à 10:33, lejun a écrit :

Coquille de ma part, effectivement je voulais parler de produce et non
product.


les 2 m'intéressent car par exemple cela peut correspondre aussi bien à 
des légumes que des foies gras (oui le sud-ouest tout ça !!!)


pas sur du coup que produce:local=* ou product:local=* soient 
appropriés-simples-adéquats



Le 04/12/2020 à 10:26, Marc_marc a écrit :

Le 4 déc. 2020 à 09:35, Vincent Bergeot  a écrit :

des magasins comme étant des magasins de produits locaux

origin=local


ohhh oui ! plutôt utilisé d'habitude pour des "pays" 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:origin)


très adapté en première impression, en plus  1 en allemagne, 1 en 
belgique : https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/origin=local


c'est un origin=local qui est déjà international :)

Blague à part, sans doute que cela peut avoir du sens également pour les 
amap et autres groupements de commandes alimentaires qui se concentrent 
sur la proximité !


Merci pour ces retours,

PS : La question alimentaire se pose à beaucoup d'endroits pour OSM 
aujourd'hui et dans beaucoup de communautés "proches" ... est-ce que 
quelques personnes seraient intéressées par creuser cette question, en 
janvier en visio ?



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Re: [talk-au] How to map around blocked roads

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au]

What is the legal situation? Can you legally use that bypass and continue on 
the blocked road?


Dec 4, 2020, 03:19 by bob3b...@skymesh.com.au:

> I don't do a lot of mapping, so thought I'd better check.
>
> Where a road has been closed by a barrier, but people have driven around it, 
> making their own road.
>
> Example - Far left of this frame, intersection of Eyre Highway and (unsealed) 
> Cows Head Corner Rd, SA - south side of Eyre.
>
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/bob3bob3?lat=-33.20304604612525=136.1608876148938=17=44LIDXGpBljYGVWNj26uIw=photo=0.2439527070079778=0.6356433099503748=2.001460004581609
>
> Reflective barrier warning sign in place, two mounds of dirt.
>
> Have looked at the tagging guidelines for regional "not there" roads. I am 
> guessing that I should cut the minor road short of the highway, then add in a 
> short section with a allowed access tag for something?
>
> Advice please.
>
> Cheers Bob
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Washington DC place node cleanup

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us]

name:pl tag is fortunately correct


Dec 4, 2020, 12:33 by mikel.ma...@gmail.com:

> Hi
>
> In DC, we just say DC usually. Across the states, it's Washington DC to 
> distinguish from Washington state.
>
> I'm not sure what the "name" tag should be, but I am wondering what the point 
> of the translations are which simply duplicate the default name. Is it like a 
> marker to say "don't try calling this place anything else"? Is that common, 
> seems unneccesary?
>

It may be useful. For example lets say that I want to display names with labels
in Polish, with English labels as fallback.

After all, some location in China or Japan may have specified name:en, but not 
name:pl

So name:pl value would be taken as the first one, name:en if name:pl is missing
and name tag if both are missing.

But what happens when some object has Polish name[1], tagged in name and 
different
name tagged in name:en?

Then name:en would be displayed, what would be avoided if name tag would be 
repeated
in name:pl tag.


[1](maybe because it is city in Poland,
maybe because it is shop in USA selling primarily to Polish-speaking people, 
maybe
it is a school for children of emigrants)



(this is based on actual project, both from my own experience and someone else 
from Poland
run independently in the same issue)

PS: No, region-based rules are not working fully even for languages that are 
nearly completely
dominating in a given region and are nearly not present elsewhere, due to 
"nearly" part.
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Re: [Talk-us] Washington DC place node cleanup

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 04.12.20 12:33, Mikel Maron wrote:
> I'm not sure what the "name" tag should be, but I am wondering what the point 
> of the translations are which simply duplicate the default name. Is it like a 
> marker to say "don't try calling this place anything else"? Is that common, 
> seems unneccesary?

Every now and then we have an avid fan of language X go around the globe
and add name:X tags, it always looks to me like an attempt at making the
language more relevant (especially if name:X==name). "Hey, language X is
not dead yet, we still call Washington Washington!!!"

I have often argued for just dropping name:X if it is the name as name,
because I would assume that every language-specific map or other use
case would revert to the name tag if no language-specific name was present.

The counter-argument was usually that if Washington has a
name:de=Washington then you positively know that this is the name used
in Germany, whereas if it doesn't have a name:de tag it might just be
"not yet mapped".

Fat chance with name:de ;)

Bye
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Re: [Talk-us] Washington DC place node cleanup

[Mikel Maron]

Hi

In DC, we just say DC usually. Across the states, it's Washington DC to 
distinguish from Washington state.

I'm not sure what the "name" tag should be, but I am wondering what the point 
of the translations are which simply duplicate the default name. Is it like a 
marker to say "don't try calling this place anything else"? Is that common, 
seems unneccesary?

Mikel

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron






On Friday, December 4, 2020, 06:04:49 AM EST, Frederik Ramm 
 wrote: 





Hi,

when reverting an edit this morning I noticed that the node for
Washington (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/158368533) has myriad
name:xx tags, many of which seem to be some variant of "Washington D.C."
(with or without commas or dots), whereas the "local" name seems to be
just Washington, without the D.C.

As a native speaker of German I can assure you that we don't call the US
capital "Washington D.C." as the name:de tag claims; I would assume that
it is similar for most other languages. The German-language OSM map at
https://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html?zoom=10=38.70174=-76.93764
has a mechanism where it displays the German name and then, if the local
name is different, the local name below; since the German name
"Washington D.C." and the local name "Washington" are different, this
leads to a somewhat funny display (whereas the logic works ok for other
US cities).

I could of course fix the German name but I think that it might need a
more thorough review and I don't feel competent for that.

Two name tags (and this is checking only those that use Roman letters)
look like they might be entirely wrong and refer to the District of
Columbia only:

name:lfn=Distrito de Columbia
name:mi=Takiwā o Columbia

Then again, I've heard people say "I was in D.C." and mean the city, so
perhaps that *is* a legitimate name for the city? Maybe someone in the
US community wants to have a look and do this right.

It is a bit of a conundrum in OSM - we usually say that local knowledge
tops everything, but then again for many of the languages there might
not even *be* a local Washington mapper in OSM ;)

Bye
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[Talk-us] Washington DC place node cleanup

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

when reverting an edit this morning I noticed that the node for
Washington (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/158368533) has myriad
name:xx tags, many of which seem to be some variant of "Washington D.C."
(with or without commas or dots), whereas the "local" name seems to be
just Washington, without the D.C.

As a native speaker of German I can assure you that we don't call the US
capital "Washington D.C." as the name:de tag claims; I would assume that
it is similar for most other languages. The German-language OSM map at
https://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html?zoom=10=38.70174=-76.93764
has a mechanism where it displays the German name and then, if the local
name is different, the local name below; since the German name
"Washington D.C." and the local name "Washington" are different, this
leads to a somewhat funny display (whereas the logic works ok for other
US cities).

I could of course fix the German name but I think that it might need a
more thorough review and I don't feel competent for that.

Two name tags (and this is checking only those that use Roman letters)
look like they might be entirely wrong and refer to the District of
Columbia only:

name:lfn=Distrito de Columbia
name:mi=Takiwā o Columbia

Then again, I've heard people say "I was in D.C." and mean the city, so
perhaps that *is* a legitimate name for the city? Maybe someone in the
US community wants to have a look and do this right.

It is a bit of a conundrum in OSM - we usually say that local knowledge
tops everything, but then again for many of the languages there might
not even *be* a local Washington mapper in OSM ;)

Bye
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[Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS

[Ken Kilfedder]

Just a quick update-

I've experimented along the lines suggested below - having obtained the list of 
relevant changesets - quite a long list - via OSMcha's changeset filters.   It 
looks like it will all work as expected, so I'll try at the weekend.

If anyone who has been using this imagery would benefit from a step-by-step 
guide, let me know.

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On Tue, 1 Dec 2020, at 9:32 AM, Ken Kilfedder wrote:

> 1.  Is there an overpass syntax that would let me download (to JOSM) - 
> all ways with addr:housenumber added or changed via a changeset with a 
> certain source tag?  (and not updated by something else later)
> 2. Could I then wipe all such addr:housenumbers and re-upload?
> 3. Could I keep a JOSM session file around to reupload the 
> addr:housenumbers once the scanner's copyright has elapsed?
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[Talk-ee] Jõgede sidumine järvedel

[Mihkel Oviir]

Mis see OSMi praktika on jõgede/ojade suubumisel järvedesse. Lisan
Peipsiveere LK, ja näen, et kõik ojad ja jõed lõpetatakse Peipsi piiril ära
ja siis sealt läheb edasi nimetu jõe joon kuhugi keset Peipsit. Ilmselt
siis lähevad kõik suubuvad jõed kokku ja see siis omakorda Narva jõe
algusesse? Kas selline praktika nii suurte järvede puhul on normaalne? Ma
saab aru, kui vooluveekogu läbib väiksemaid järvi.

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Re: [Talk-in] Need guidance in launching a HOT project in Bangalore for mapping the lakes

[Nikhil VJ]

Hi Nagesh,

Sorry for writing in late;
If you get your pdf/image maps geo-referenced on mapwarper.net or
elsewhere, here's a simple tool you can use to compare them with satellite
imagery etc, and also to compare them with each other:
https://answerquest.github.io/overlap-custom-side.html

Click at a spot of interest on the map to get exact lat-long-zoom coords
for your documentation.
The current view there shows two development plan maps of Bangalore that
had been geo-referenced and shared by some folks in datameet mailing list
some years back.

All the best with this project.

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On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 6:35 PM Yogesh 
wrote:

> On 18/11/20 8:31 pm, Nagesh Aras wrote:
>
> We have multiple maps:
> 1. Old paper maps (British era)
> 2. Digitized maps
> 3. Google map
> 4. OpenStreet Map.
>
> One example is that of the Pattandur lake:
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1sHPjk4NqVjB1Opr7Fv6Sj5AvQiCi9JHg?usp=sharing
>
> The problem is that none of these maps may match with the others.
> So how do we proceed, and eliminate differences/doubts?
>
> Out of copyright British era maps can be geo-referenced over a web map on
> Map Warper: https://mapwarper.net/
>
> This may not be very accurate but with enough reference points, it can be
> matched with others.
>
>
> From the looks of it, it looks like every pair of maps requires a separate
> HOT-style project.
> (Remote mappers compare the two maps and find differences.)
>
>
> As Arun suggested in his second part, existing lakes survey has to be done
> to collect as much data as possible on the ground via paper, gpx traces,
> and geotagged pictures of the lakes. All of this can help remote mappers to
> chip in for the mapping alongside satellite imagery via HOT tasking manager.
>
> To get started, I think we can put all of this together on an OSM wiki
> page. Each lake can have a sub-page with related links to out of copyright
> maps and collected survey data. Have created a wiki page with basic
> information that you shared on mailing list here -
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bangalore_lakes_mapping_project
>
> Please feel free to modify the title/content of the page as required.
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 1:01 AM Arun Ganesh 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 5:10 AM Nagesh Aras 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Several activist groups in Bangalore have come together with the aim of
>>> mapping the water system in the city, which includes the lakes, and
>>> drainage system. The aim is to digitize thold maps to know what was the
>>> original shape and size of the lakes, and then do the local surveys to find
>>> out how much of the lake territory is encroached.
>>>
>>> We would like to set up the online HOT map for this purpose.
>>>
>>> Can anyone guide us about the steps required for this project?
>>>
>>> Also, if there are any permissions to be taken, who should I contact?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Nagesh
>>>
>>
>> This is great! Looks like there are two parts:
>> - Digitize old maps: this one is tricky because old maps have various
>> quality issues. Vectorizing them might be resource intensive and not too
>> useful. Can you share an example of these old maps?
>> - Survey existing lakes. This is where OSM can be helpful. To scope this
>> out better maybe we should start with one particular lake to test out what
>> is the best strategy of satellite image tracing and field survey that will
>> work for the accuracy needed.
>>
>> The OSM India telegram group is fairly active and can be helpful to
>> coordinate this in further detail: https://t.me/OSMIndia
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] La question des produits locaux (alimentation mais sans doute de manière plus large également)

[lejun]

Coquille de ma part, effectivement je voulais parler de produce et non
product.

Le 04/12/2020 à 10:20, chris-...@netcourrier.com a écrit :

"product" ce sont pour les produits "manufacturés" : product=* is a
property that specifies the human manufactured
"produce" correspond plus aux produits de la ferme : "produce=* is used
to describe a feature's output produced though a natural process of
growing or breeding, possibly with human intervention e.g. provision of
water, planting etc."

Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Christian Renoulin
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06.74.43.78.43 - chris-...@netcourrier.com/


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À : talk-fr@openstreetmap.org
Sujet : Re: [OSM-talk-fr] La question des produits locaux
(alimentation mais sans doute de manière plus large également)
Date : 04/12/2020 10:12:30 Europe/Paris

Le 04/12/2020 à 09:35, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :
> Je cherche donc à renseigner le fait que l'on peut avoir un shop=
> butcher, greengrocer, deli, clothes, ... qui fasse appel à des produits
> locaux (je laisse pour l'instant du flou sur "local").À première vue
je pense que le plus approprié est d'utiliser
product:local=yes sur les commerces concernés. L'attribut product étant
déjà utilisé pour indiquer quel type de produit est vendu, lui ajouter
un suffixe me parait le plus simple.> Parfois je me dis que cela rejoint
les notions de network=ncn, lcn, rcn ...
Un "produit local" étant relatif c'est relativement complexe d'utiliser
network pour ce type d'usage. Est ce qu'un commerce vendant du camembert
fait partie d'un réseau local ou national ? L'attribut product:local
laisse libre l'interprétation au même titre qu'un client quand le
commerçant dit proposer des produits locaux.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] La question des produits locaux (alimentation mais sans doute de manière plus large également)

[Marc_marc]

> Le 4 déc. 2020 à 09:35, Vincent Bergeot  a écrit :
> 
> des magasins comme étant des magasins de produits locaux

origin=local



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] La question des produits locaux (alimentation mais sans doute de manière plus large également)

[chris-ren]

Bonjour,



"product" ce sont pour les produits "manufacturés" : product=* is a property 
that specifies the human manufactured 

"produce" correspond plus aux produits de la ferme : "produce=* is used to 
describe a feature's output produced though a natural process of growing or 
breeding, possibly with human intervention e.g. provision of water, planting 
etc."



Qu'en pensez-vous ?



Christian Renoulin
associations "Mieux trier à Nantes" et "La Galerie du Zéro Déchet"
06.74.43.78.43 - chris-...@netcourrier.com

De : lejun 
À : talk-fr@openstreetmap.org
Sujet : Re: [OSM-talk-fr] La question des produits locaux (alimentation mais 
sans doute de manière plus large également)
Date : 04/12/2020 10:12:30 Europe/Paris

Le 04/12/2020 à 09:35, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :
> Je cherche donc à renseigner le fait que l'on peut avoir un shop=
> butcher, greengrocer, deli, clothes, ... qui fasse appel à des produits
> locaux (je laisse pour l'instant du flou sur "local").À première vue je pense 
> que le plus approprié est d'utiliser
product:local=yes sur les commerces concernés. L'attribut product étant
déjà utilisé pour indiquer quel type de produit est vendu, lui ajouter
un suffixe me parait le plus simple.> Parfois je me dis que cela rejoint
les notions de network=ncn, lcn, rcn ...
Un "produit local" étant relatif c'est relativement complexe d'utiliser
network pour ce type d'usage. Est ce qu'un commerce vendant du camembert
fait partie d'un réseau local ou national ? L'attribut product:local
laisse libre l'interprétation au même titre qu'un client quand le
commerçant dit proposer des produits locaux.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] La question des produits locaux (alimentation mais sans doute de manière plus large également)

[lejun]

Le 04/12/2020 à 09:35, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :

Je cherche donc à renseigner le fait que l'on peut avoir un shop=
butcher, greengrocer, deli, clothes, ... qui fasse appel à des produits
locaux (je laisse pour l'instant du flou sur "local").À première vue je pense 
que le plus approprié est d'utiliser

product:local=yes sur les commerces concernés. L'attribut product étant
déjà utilisé pour indiquer quel type de produit est vendu, lui ajouter
un suffixe me parait le plus simple.> Parfois je me dis que cela rejoint
les notions de network=ncn, lcn, rcn ...
Un "produit local" étant relatif c'est relativement complexe d'utiliser
network pour ce type d'usage. Est ce qu'un commerce vendant du camembert
fait partie d'un réseau local ou national ? L'attribut product:local
laisse libre l'interprétation au même titre qu'un client quand le
commerçant dit proposer des produits locaux.

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Re: [Talk-it] [tagging] Strutture residenziali per anziani

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Grazie,

ho provato a cercare Residenza polifunzionale con Mod.A
ma che è questo "modulo fascia A"?

Il 03/12/20, Francesco Ansanelli ha scritto:
> Ciao,
>
> quasi sicuramente il tag che userei è:
>
> amenity=social_facility
>
> Servirebbe una descrizione chiara, ma provo a dare qualche spunto...
>
> Buona serata
> Francesco
>
> Il gio 3 dic 2020, 14:16 Cascafico Giovanni  ha
> scritto:
>
>> Ciao Lista,
>>
>> chi mi aiuta a creare uno schema di tagging per il dataset delle RSA
>> [1] del Friuli Venezia Giulia? In particolare:
>>
>> campo "ASS":
>> ASS1 - Triestina
>> ASS2 - Isontina
>> ASS3 - Alto Friuli
>> ASS4 - Medio Friuli
>> ASS5 - Bassa Friulana
>> ASS6 - Friuli occidentale
>>
>> campo "natura giuridica":
>> Azienda per i servizi sanitari
>> Ente religioso
>> Privata di mercato
>> Privata sociale
>> Pubblica ASP
>> Pubblica comunale
>> Pubblica tra Comuni associati
>>
>> campo "convenzione con SSR":
>> si
>> no
>>
>>
>> campo "tipologia residenza":
>>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:social_facility
>
> Abitare possibile
>> Casa albergo
>
> Comunità alloggio
>
>
>> social_facility=shelter?
>
>
>>
>> Residenza ad utenza diversificata
>>
> Residenza ad Utenza Diversificata
>
>
> social_facility=assisted_living?
>
> Residenza polifunzionale
>
>
>> social_facility=nursing_home
>> ?
>>
>
>> Residenza polifunzionale con Mod.A
>
>
> social_facility=hospice?
>
> Residenza protetta
>
>
>> social_facility=group_home?
>
>
>>
>> campo "Posti letto per autosufficienti":
>> integer
>>
>> campo "Posti letto in polifunzionale":
>> integer
>>
>>
>> Anche link a eventuali import del genere son ben accetti :-)
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://www.dati.friuliveneziagiulia.it/Salute/Elenco-strutture-residenziali-per-anziani/hquw-jvsj
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[OSM-talk-fr] La question des produits locaux (alimentation mais sans doute de manière plus large également)

[Vincent Bergeot]

Bonjour,

je cherche à qualifier des magasins comme étant des magasins de produits 
locaux (à différencier de magasins à la ferme, je pense d'ailleurs que 
iD doit avoir un truc pas net sur cela [ceci est une note pour moi]).


Je cherche donc à renseigner le fait que l'on peut avoir un shop= 
butcher, greengrocer, deli, clothes, ... qui fasse appel à des produits 
locaux (je laisse pour l'instant du flou sur "local").


Parfois je me dis que cela rejoint les notions de network=ncn, lcn, rcn ...

Vos avis retours ?

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