Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking

I think as long as "conflates a bunch" is made "explicit" it can be a helpful tag. This is why I said "generally," as a "rich" tagging as this (which mixes semantics and says "choose a full meal from the menu, not a la carte") can be an exception. Again, it must be understood that it is a

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking

On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 15:27, stevea wrote: > But to conflate two wholly different semantics into one key, mmm, not > generally a good idea. > But that's exactly what the AWTGS does, it conflates a bunch of independent variables together, it generally works where the harder trails are longer

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 14:18, tabjsina wrote: > > Thanks all - let me know if you have any concerns or suggestions > Probably easiest, & less messy, to set several up, one for each state - it'd be OK to include ACT in NSW, or Tas in Vic Oops! : TAS in VIC :-) Thanks Graeme

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking

> On Jan 30, 2022, at 8:16 PM, Phil Wyatt wrote: > I think Class 1 specifically mentions disability access so I would hate to > see that combined in any way with other classes. +1: I agree that "disability access explicit" and "how much experience you have as a bush-trail walker" are

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking

Hi Folks, I think Class 1 specifically mentions disability access so I would hate to see that combined in any way with other classes. Cheers - Phil From: Graeme Fitzpatrick Sent: Monday, 31 January 2022 2:23 PM To: ianst...@iinet.net.au Cc: OSM-Au Subject: Re: [talk-au] sac_scale

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

As a follow-up, here it is - https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/24307 Seems like there is a limit to how many get loaded at a time, so the initial batch is NSW and NT only, but more should load up after the set is cleared Thanks all - let me know if you have any concerns or

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

Thanks Folks, For me its also about correcting invalid information that is currently in OSM. I have found cases where the suburb has been entered as a city, the city as a suburb, the state as a province, AU as the state etc. I suspect there may be an app or two that may not place the

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

It is safer putting in the street name. Nominatim fills in street from the street physically closest to the addr tag, which is not always correct. Sarah is aware and looking at measures to improve that - for example by looking at nearby street numbers for sequentiallity - but I doubt it could

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 13:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Threads have crossed :-(, but as per their instructions that I mentioned > in the other post, the track overall is tagged to the highest > classification, so per the example they give: > > Example: Wineglass Bay, Tasmania > The

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

Sorry, that wasn't supposed to send! :-( Back in a moment! Thanks Graeme On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 13:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 13:20, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > >> >> 2. Does the AWTGS system apply more to routes than way segments? For >>

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

Thanks Graeme On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 13:20, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > 2. Does the AWTGS system apply more to routes than way segments? For > example a longer route loop might have a higher grade than a shorter loop > even if they overlap for parts. Would you then only apply AWTGS on a >

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking

On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 11:05, wrote: > > > I think we should just stick with the AWTGS as it stands. It seems to be > gaining widespread government support, and even if it is not perfect, it > seems like a standard that is going to stay with us. > So, working on this idea, looking at

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 12:16, Andrew Harvey wrote: > Check out Nominatim, > https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=6496603926=place > it shows the inherited attributes like suburb, postcode, state. > & by the look at it, in built-up areas at least, it will even ID the

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

The awtgs= tag looks fine on it's own, a simple wiki page with basic info about the tag would help people know how to use it and less likely someone will misunderstand it like your German friend. 1. Would the tag be reserved for tagging officially assigned AWTGS values? Or when not officially

Re: [talk-au] Address corrections

I would be fine with this kind of bulk edit, so long as you confirm each value and you're sure it's really a suburb and not a city (you can just select all with the same value, then check that). As far as I'm aware Australia only uses suburb / locality for addressing and not the city. On Mon, 31

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 09:43, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > & to clarify, we only need to include the street address for anything, & > not the suburb / town / city? > Assuming the suburb / locality boundaries have been mapped (which they should not be Australia wide from an import), then data

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking

>> I think the AWTGS is a reasonable starting point for a trail/track difficulty scale that's relevant to Australia. >> However, I wasn't clear whether Grade 5 was supposed to cover everything above Grade 4, or whether there were things harder than Grade 5. >> If the former, I'd think there

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

The unsusbscribe happens automatically after a few bounces. On 31/1/22 11:44, Michael Collinson wrote: Thanks Alex, Ben.  Looks specific to talk-au so talk-au admin (CC'd) needs to login and unsubscribe gmane. Not sure who that is. Tom says: Nothing to do with me - there's no global link

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

Thanks! At least it doesn't mean something wrong at my end :-) Thanks Graeme On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 10:24, Ben Kelley wrote: > The list processor sorts out bounces. > On 31/1/22 11:05, Alex Sims wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > > > Gname.org moved to gmane.io almost a year ago. So the

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

Thanks Alex, Ben.  Looks specific to talk-au so talk-au admin (CC'd) needs to login and unsubscribe gmane. Not sure who that is. Tom says: Nothing to do with me - there's no global link to gmane or any other archiving site. As far as I know they just operate by subscribing to the list like

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

The list processor sorts out bounces. On 31/1/22 11:05, Alex Sims wrote: Hi Michael, Gname.org moved to gmane.io almost a year ago. So the subscription to x...@gname.org will never work again and should be deleted. A new link needs to be set to gmane.io so that the NNTP feed via

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

Hi Michael, Gname.org moved to gmane.io almost a year ago. So the subscription to x...@gname.org will never work again and should be deleted. A new link needs to be set to gmane.io so that the NNTP feed via news.gmane.io can work (if desired)

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

I just create lists so I have forwarded this to Tom Hughes in case he can help or elucidate.  /Mike On 31/1/22 10:24 am, Alex Sims wrote: HI Graeme, When you send an email to the list, it then sends a copy to subscribers which includes a mirror at gmane.org. For some reason the copy at

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

HI Graeme, When you send an email to the list, it then sends a copy to subscribers which includes a mirror at gmane.org. For some reason the copy at gname.org is bouncing back and you get the bounce. So the link between the mailing list and gmane needs fixing, a job for the administrator of

[talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

Just replied to the "Consistent addr:state format" thread as a reply all, but got an undelivered message bounce back to me. Says that message was sent to OSM-Au & OSM-Au , but public.gmane.org couldn't be found. The response was: DNS Error: 4023212 DNS type 'mx' lookup of public.gmane.org

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 at 23:17, tabjsina wrote: > It looks like Qld makes up ~3700 address states and QLD is at 15000 > ("Queensland" is ~1000 as a comparison). > > I'm thinking I'll make an adjustment in the Queensland code to skip > cases that are "Qld", but otherwise (For complete errors, and >

[talk-au] Address corrections

Hi Folks, I am just checking addresses in Tasmania and have found many with addr:city versus the correct addr:suburb. I suspect this is from early ID editor prior to defining AU settings on address values. Is it OK to do suburb by suburb bulk edits of this key? Tasmania only has a few cities

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

I think the AWTGS is a reasonable starting point for a trail/track difficulty scale that's relevant to Australia. However, I wasn't clear whether Grade 5 was supposed to cover everything above Grade 4, or whether there were things harder than Grade 5. If the former, I'd think there would

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

It looks like Qld makes up ~3700 address states and QLD is at 15000 ("Queensland" is ~1000 as a comparison). I'm thinking I'll make an adjustment in the Queensland code to skip cases that are "Qld", but otherwise (For complete errors, and "Queensland" cases), I'll recommend the more popular

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 at 16:53, tabjsina wrote: > In this case I intend to specifically only update tags that already have > a state field defined, rather than populating the empty ones. Andrew, do > you think that adjusting the existing tag values to match the VIC > majority would go against the