2009/12/16 Steve Bennett :
> Yes, it's definitely been razed. The big BP sign is still there, so
> it's unclear whether they're just rebuilding it from below ground
> level or what.
Ahh ok, I couldn't make out signs from NearMap, then again I wasn't
looking that much after seeing a hole in the gro
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
>
> To be a complete hypocrit, I could check it out on my way to work
> tomorrow. If driving, I drive straight past it, if riding, I pass
> within a few blocks.
>
> Then again, had a quick look with streetview, looks like BPs on both
> sides.
Travelling about northern NSW in the lead up to xmas I noticed this location:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585129264
Is no longer a BP, but has Liberty signs up... BP states they update
their dataset monthly but it seems they're a bit slack...
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
> Then again, had a quick look with streetview, looks like BPs on both
> sides. Both look pretty established, so I'm guessing it's demolished
> rather than new.
The NearMap imagery is very recent, the same can't be said for sat
imagery or streetview, even so there may be
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:19 PM, John Smith wrote:
> BP have this location on their site:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585128133
>
> Except when you view it with NearMap the site has been leveled, not
> sure if BP is rebuilding it or what
To be a complete hypocrit, I could che
BP have this location on their site:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585128133
Except when you view it with NearMap the site has been leveled, not
sure if BP is rebuilding it or what
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/12/15 John Smith :
> > Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags:
> >
> > http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2
> >
> > Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme
> > tags...
>
> I just noticed since that con
Here's an example of OSM beating even BP to the punch...
This location doesn't exist in the BP dataset:
http://osm.org/go/uN9xpckXA--
You can make out BP signs with NearMap and according to OSM data, it
was tagged on the 3rd of November...
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/552634810/hist
2009/12/15 John Smith :
> Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags:
>
> http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2
>
> Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme tags...
>
I just noticed since that contains version numbers etc, you can just
use that file in
Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags:
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2
Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme tags...
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2009/12/14 Steve Bennett :
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Chris Barham wrote:
>> I drove out there to check and be certain on the weekend so have
>> removed the FIXME tag.
>
> Wow, someone cares about their servos :)
Why haven't you? :P
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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Chris Barham wrote:
> I drove out there to check and be certain on the weekend so have
> removed the FIXME tag.
Wow, someone cares about their servos :)
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2009/12/14 Chris Barham :
> I've found one that is almost 20km out - and wondered whether this is
> the worst one found so far?:
> http://www.bp.com/iframe.do?categoryId=9012436&contentId=7017653
The one at Moree was plotted 20km out of Moree to the North, but the
servo is on the south side of Mor
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:39 PM, John Smith wrote:
> The 2 BP's along the Bruce Highway north of Brisbane aren't located
> properly either, it looks like they've simply used address to geo
> lookups and when the addresses are specific they co-ords go wonky,
> wonder if they want more accurate co-
> Interesting. Personally, I use e10 in my '97 Pulsar almost always, even
> though Nissan say not to. I've never had a problem with drivability or
> with the fuel or intake system.
>
> On the contrary, e10 is actually about 93 or 94 octane, as the ethanol
> raises the octane number of the 91 b
> > Interesting. Personally, I use e10 in my '97 Pulsar almost always, even
> > though Nissan say not to. I've never had a problem with drivability or
> > with the fuel or intake system.
>
> Most cars made after the mid-80s in the US had to be capable of
> ethernol based fuels, I'm guessing that
2009/12/14 John Henderson :
> Ross Scanlon wrote:
>
>> fuel:e10 = yes
>>
>> Replaces 91 octane at lots of BP servos.
>>
>> At least they have 95, 98 and lpg which suits me as the truck really does
>> not like e10.
>
> Interesting. Personally, I use e10 in my '97 Pulsar almost always, even
> thoug
Ross Scanlon wrote:
> fuel:e10 = yes
>
> Replaces 91 octane at lots of BP servos.
>
> At least they have 95, 98 and lpg which suits me as the truck really does not
> like e10.
Interesting. Personally, I use e10 in my '97 Pulsar almost always, even
though Nissan say not to. I've never had a
> > I notice that both are tagged with:
> >
> > fuel:octane_91 = no
> >
> > implying that neither sell ordinary unleaded petrol. That's the normal
> > high-volume seller, or have you banned it in Qld?
>
fuel:e10 = yes
Replaces 91 octane at lots of BP servos.
At least they have 95, 98 an
2009/12/13 John Henderson :
> John Smith wrote:
>> H
>>
>> BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one
>> isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more
>> service stations? :)
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3360844
>
> I notice that
John Smith wrote:
> H
>
> BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one
> isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more
> service stations? :)
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3360844
I notice that both are tagged with:
fuel:o
2009/12/13 Liz :
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
>> H
>>
>> BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one
>> isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more
>> service stations? :)
>
> I joined two together in Grenfell
> same address
> same phone n
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
> H
>
> BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one
> isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more
> service stations? :)
I joined two together in Grenfell
same address
same phone number
same stuff for sale
i t
H
BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one
isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more
service stations? :)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3360844
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2009/12/13 David Dean :
>
> Maybe the fuel station node labelled 'BP' just a few 10s of metres away on
> the link you posted?
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.445482&lon=153.029376&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF
Mmmm that was a tad obvious, dunno how I missed it
_
Maybe the fuel station node labelled 'BP' just a few 10s of metres away on
the link you posted?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.445482&lon=153.029376&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF
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John Smith-131 wrote:
>
> Anyone familiar with the BP at this location?
>
> 44 Bowen Bridge Rd, Herston Q
Maybe the fuel station node labelled 'BP' just a few 10s of metres away on
the link you posted?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.445482&lon=153.029376&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF
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John Smith-131 wrote:
>
> Anyone familiar with the BP at this location?
>
> 44 Bowen Bridge Rd, Herston Q
Anyone familiar with the BP at this location?
44 Bowen Bridge Rd, Herston QLD 4006
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.446834&lon=153.029365&zoom=18
Looking at Nearmap imagery, I just can't see anything close by that
looks like service station.
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2009/12/13 Elizabeth Dodd :
> The Beckom one was so far up the road it had moved to a rest area
> Others like Young, address on an intersection, were on the intersection
> literally
I meant to mention this the other day, the easiest way to locate the
BP locations is to load the BP osm file I creat
2009/12/11 James Livingston :
> On Wednesday, December 09, 2009, at 03:25PM, "Chris Barham"
> wrote:
>> BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations.
>
> Has anyone asked any of the other companies yet? If not, I'll send some
> emails about:
> http://apps.nowwhere.co
2009/12/12 Brendan Morley :
> I'll bet internally they're associated with lots-on-plan land records...
They probably don't need to know/care about the geo data.
> And if the public dataset is "simply used address to geo lookups", then
> which geocoder did they use? And is BP allowed to publish th
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Brendan Morley wrote:
> I'll bet internally they're associated with lots-on-plan land records...
The Beckom one was so far up the road it had moved to a rest area
Others like Young, address on an intersection, were on the intersection
literally
>
> And if the public dataset i
I'll bet internally they're associated with lots-on-plan land records...
And if the public dataset is "simply used address to geo lookups", then which
geocoder did they use? And is BP allowed to publish the derived dataset?
Brendan
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:43:08 +1100, Liz wrote:
>On Thu, 10 De
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, you wrote:
> 2009/12/11 Elizabeth Dodd :
> > On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, you wrote:
> >> > i then looked for one at blanchetown, and there was no new bp at
> >> > blanchetown, so either its not bp any more, or because the node was
> >> > close the new data has not been imported
> >>
>
2009/12/11 Liz :
> i then looked for one at blanchetown, and there was no new bp at blanchetown,
> so either its not bp any more, or because the node was close the new data has
> not been imported
I think you found it, unless you mean there is 2 BPs at Blanchetown?
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2009/12/11 Liz :
> the one i did i dragged the node to the surveyed place, merged the two, and
> left the source as bp?; survey
I'd do it:
source=bp.com
source:location=survey
> i then looked for one at blanchetown, and there was no new bp at blanchetown,
> so either its not bp any more, or beca
2009/12/11 James Livingston :
> http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx
I wouldn't bother with nowwhere, it's a mapds website and they are
most likely hosting the data on behalf of caltex, and so they probably
wouldn't be able or willing to release the data.
> http://www.shell.
2009/12/11 Arie Paap :
> How should duplicates which are already in OSM (but weren't close
> enough to be picked up when processed) be dealt with? For example BP
> Bellevue:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.8941&lon=116.0263&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF
> (both appear on southern side of Great Ea
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Arie Paap wrote:
> How should duplicates which are already in OSM (but weren't close
> enough to be picked up when processed) be dealt with? For example BP
> Bellevue:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.8941&lon=116.0263&zoom=17&layers=B000
>FTF (both appear on southern si
On Wednesday, December 09, 2009, at 03:25PM, "Chris Barham"
wrote:
> BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations.
Has anyone asked any of the other companies yet? If not, I'll send some emails
about:
http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx
http:/
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:42 PM, John Smith wrote:
>
> All 1,381 locations have been uploaded, there was a few more
> duplicates I missed before but these have been removed as well.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3340910
>
> Bound to be some duplicates that already exist in the
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Emilie Laffray
wrote:
> Also do we need to include tags when there is nothing present. I think the
> basic case is that those services are not present. Including them only when
> they are present would make more sense in my view and would not take as much
> space i
2009/12/10 John Smith
> 2009/12/10 Steve Bennett :
> >>[26] => ATM
> >>
> >
> > You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is)
> point?
>
> I added
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Also if people have better suggestions for tag names I'm happy to
> update the file, just the be
2009/12/10 John Smith
> 2009/12/10 Steve Bennett :
> >>[26] => ATM
> >>
> >
> > You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is)
> point?
>
> I added
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What about http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:atm%3Dyes for the ATM?
Emilie Laffray
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All 1,381 locations have been uploaded, there was a few more
duplicates I missed before but these have been removed as well.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3340910
Bound to be some duplicates that already exist in the system, but most
will need to be moved in any case because the g
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:39 PM, John Smith
wrote:
> > The 2 BP's along the Bruce Highway north of Brisbane aren't located
> > properly either, it looks like they've simply used address to geo
> > lookups and when the addresses are specific they co-ords
I think the easiest way to do this would be to upload all points once
tags are sorted, and then fix them, I've reviewed quite a few now and
the location data is out on all of them, usually it points to the
middle of streets or roundabouts etc.
To make finding/fixing these points easier I added the
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:39 PM, John Smith wrote:
>
> The 2 BP's along the Bruce Highway north of Brisbane aren't located
> properly either, it looks like they've simply used address to geo
> lookups and when the addresses are specific they co-ords go wonky,
> wonder if they want more accurate co
2009/12/10 John Smith :
> Also I think some of the co-ords are way off, there is 2 BP locations
> in Carnarvon for example and when you zoom in on them there doesn't
> look to be a service station anywhere within the vicinity.
>
The 2 BP's along the Bruce Highway north of Brisbane aren't located
p
Also I think some of the co-ords are way off, there is 2 BP locations
in Carnarvon for example and when you zoom in on them there doesn't
look to be a service station anywhere within the vicinity.
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2009/12/10 Steve Bennett :
>> [26] => ATM
>>
>
> You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is) point?
I added
Also if people have better suggestions for tag names I'm happy to
update the file, just the best ones I could think of at the time.
>
>[26] => ATM
>
>
You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is) point?
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Ok, getting back on topic, I spent a little time this morning
generating an OSM file that can be opened in JOSM.
For those curious/interested:
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPtest.osm.bz2
I haven't included all fields, I left out the following:
[16] => Trailers
[17] => LPGBottle
2009/12/10 Sam Couter :
> People don't starve for a worldwide lack of food, they starve because the
> excess of food is in the wrong place, ie, not their belly. This is caused
> by world politics, corruption, local warlords, complete lack of central
> government in some places, etc, and the applica
John Smith wrote:
> As if the govt doesn't get enough tax already, and they get tax on top
> of tax when the GST kicks in.
The government gets *less* money from E10. Fuel excise is reduced and
its production is subsidised.
> Anyway, this is getting off topic,
Yes, but a near-incoherant rant is
John Smith wrote:
> The problem with E10 for most cars is it doesn't recognise the extra
> oxygen atom
Australian electronic fuel injection systems have O2 sensors, this isn't
a problem. The reduced energy of E10 compared to the same volume of petrol
is a problem, is basic physics, and can't be c
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:14:32 +1100
Sam Couter wrote:
> Ross Scanlon wrote:
> > Make sure if you are going to enter fuel information then you include all
> > types, (lpg, 91, 95, 98 octane, diesel, etc)
>
> More: Automotive LPG is different tax-wise from barbecue LPG and
> therefore sold and dis
On 09/12/2009, at 8:44 PM, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/12/9 James Livingston :
>> I'd suggest doing something like "import if there is not an existing
>> amenity=fuel within X distance, flag it for manual checking if there is".
>
> The only problem with that is where you get 2 or 3 service stations
On 09/12/2009, at 8:41 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:37 PM, James Livingston wrote:
> I'd suggest doing something like "import if there is not an existing
> amenity=fuel within X distance, flag it for manual checking if there is".
>
>
> Ah, didn't know that kind of thing w
2009/12/9 James Livingston :
> I'd suggest doing something like "import if there is not an existing
> amenity=fuel within X distance, flag it for manual checking if there is".
The only problem with that is where you get 2 or 3 service stations
close/next to each other.
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On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:37 PM, James Livingston wrote:
> I'd suggest doing something like "import if there is not an existing
> amenity=fuel within X distance, flag it for manual checking if there is".
>
>
Ah, didn't know that kind of thing was possible, cool.
Steve
On 09/12/2009, at 8:26 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> Can we really maintain this? These services come and go fairly frequently.
Individual things like whether they have LPG filling for bbqs maybe, but servos
don't move that often (usually taken over by another one). In any case, it's
probably not g
2009/12/9 Steve Bennett :
> Can we really maintain this? These services come and go fairly frequently.
Just keep a list of nodes/ways and the location ID and it should be
trivial to keep up to date.
> Also, if you're doing a bulk import, how do you avoid double tagging
> existing servos?
You can
2009/12/9 Liz :
> give us some practical examples and we can go and visit our local BP servos
> and try to work out what "Other" is
AA Oakleigh 145.09 -37.88 5362162 - 168 Warrigal Rd Oakleigh
VIC 3166
AA Reservoir145.02 -37.72 372235 - 37 Gisborne Cres Reservoi
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:52 PM, John Smith wrote:
>
> "NAME","X","Y"," LocationNo"," Street"," Town"," State"," Postcode","
> Phone"," Unlead"," PremiumUnlead"," BPUltimate"," E10"," Diesel","
> Any_Autogas"," Hours_24"," Trailers"," LPGBottle"," Toilets","
> CarWash"," CleanGo"," SuperWash"," Oth
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
> Anyway, this is getting off topic, the fields from the BP are as
> following, most are binary fields (Y or N), no idea what the other
> field is for.
>
> "NAME","X","Y"," LocationNo"," Street"," Town"," State"," Postcode","
> Phone"," Unlead"," PremiumUnlead"
2009/12/9 Liz :
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Sam Couter wrote:
>> Ethanol is
>> for drinking and swindling motorists and governments out of some cash so
>> it should be noted for those of us who'd rather push the car than put E10
>> in it.
>
> I thought E10 was so I didn't have to pay a 30c per litre prem
2009/12/9 Sam Couter :
> and usually only sold during the winter months in alpine areas. Ethanol is
> for drinking and swindling motorists and governments out of some cash so
As if the govt doesn't get enough tax already, and they get tax on top
of tax when the GST kicks in.
Anyway, this is getti
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Sam Couter wrote:
> Ethanol is
> for drinking and swindling motorists and governments out of some cash so
> it should be noted for those of us who'd rather push the car than put E10
> in it.
I thought E10 was so I didn't have to pay a 30c per litre premium to put 95
octane fue
Ross Scanlon wrote:
> Make sure if you are going to enter fuel information then you include all
> types, (lpg, 91, 95, 98 octane, diesel, etc)
More: Automotive LPG is different tax-wise from barbecue LPG and
therefore sold and dispensed differently, sometimes you can refill your
own LPG bottle a
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:37:59 +1000
John Smith wrote:
> 2009/12/9 Chris Barham :
> > ref: Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
> > BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations.
> > They also offer another CSV dataset download with servo phon
I just opened the all states csv files and pasted them into a spread
sheet and ended up with 1,387 rows, there was 2 duplicate rows I
removed and 1 row without co-ords.
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2009/12/9 Chris Barham :
> ref: Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
> BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations.
> They also offer another CSV dataset download with servo phone numbers,
> names and address. Could these two be useful to
ref: Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations.
They also offer another CSV dataset download with servo phone numbers,
names and address. Could these two be useful to OpenStreetMap as a
datasource?
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