Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-29 Thread Begin Daniel
Bonjour Ken, You wrote “this level of confusion just encourages me to stop contributing” … First, do not stop to contribute! There is so much fun to map about everything in your neighbourhood, on thematic content (biking trails, national parks … and so on)! Secondly, the annual report you cite

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-28 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/28/2016 10:31 AM, Ken Wuschke wrote: So a suggestion to a definition for trunk routes in Canada could be a simple as: *A highway=trunk is a roadway that is a part of the National Highway System as defined by the Council of Ministers Responsible for Transportation

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-28 Thread Ken Wuschke
Morning Daniel, First, I really appreciated your comprehensive email. It provided me with a lot of background on this topic. As to my level of employment within the Ministry of Transportation and Highways, I was on the operations end and dealt directly with the public. Through this I quickly

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-27 Thread Ken Wuschke
ope it will help > > Daniel > > > > *From:* Chandler Vancouver [mailto:chandler.vancou...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* January-26-16 16:49 > *To:* Stewart Russell > *Cc:* talk-ca > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding > > > > Completely agree, Stewart. > > >

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-27 Thread Ken Wuschke
Hi Daniel, I just took a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence and the only difference between trunk and primary is the use of the *National Highway System - Core Routes*. I actually find that document to be more subjective then objective. As far I as I can

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-26 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/26/2016 11:34 AM, Chandler Vancouver wrote: To begin with I am relatively new to OSM but I am trying to figure the Canadian definition for trunk status and find the current definition as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Trunk as academic and

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-26 Thread Chandler Vancouver
Thanks Paul! This is much closer to how I view trunk vs. primary highways. But how can http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/ have one clear thread to users that this is case. So far I found two, if not three, conflicting definitions for highways in BC depending how you read through the wiki. how can

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-26 Thread Stewart Russell
A trunk road is not necessarily divided. The limited access part means that it's not residential. It has to go from a town or city to another town or city. It predates or has lesser capacity than a motorway. It's one of these maddening "know one when I see one" definitions that makes perfect

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-26 Thread Chandler Vancouver
, Begin Daniel <jfd...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Bonjour Chandler, > > You have just raised an issue that was discussed last summer on this list, > without a final agreement (search for [Talk-ca] Highway recoding). > > > > I brought the issue because I found that the gui

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-26 Thread Chandler Vancouver
Completely agree, Stewart. Similarly I live just off a road I would consider to be a tertiary level road. It runs for only 4 km and links up residential side streets, a high school, an elementary school and a small scale commercial zone. It is only two lanes wide but for over 50% of its length

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-26 Thread Ken Wuschke
But there's one point on showing a route as a trunk route that I think is important to considered. And this would be on a global level, not just for Canada. I use OSM on a Garmin Nuvi navigational system. If you are not familiar all of the OSM maps can be downloaded for free for use on GPS

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-25 Thread Daniel Begin
'; 'Tristan Anderson' Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding “… [TCH] is automatically a trunk route given that it is, at its most basic point, the central connection between major settlements …” Interesting… it is type 2 definition proposed by Tristan but without

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-25 Thread Frank Steggink
-15 10:09 *To:* 'Adam Martin'; 'Tristan Anderson' *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding “… [TCH] is automatically a trunk route given that it is, at its most basic point, the central connection between major settlements …” Interesting… it is type 2 definition

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-24 Thread Adam Martin
can look at specific roads in BC and Québec! Any objections? From: jfd...@hotmail.com To: scr...@gmail.com; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:08:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding Thank Russel, Your description is pretty close of the one I had

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-24 Thread Daniel Begin
Anderson Cc: Daniel Begin; Stewart C. Russell; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding Reviewing the types that you suggest here, the result seems reasonable. Major Canadian Highways are generally a blend of the two, I find. Type 1 trunks rely on restricted access

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-23 Thread Daniel Begin
with it? Daniel From: Tristan Anderson [mailto:andersontris...@hotmail.com] Sent: July-23-15 17:18 To: Daniel Begin; 'Stewart C. Russell'; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding So it seems like we're coming to some agreement. The current Canadian definition based

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-23 Thread Daniel Begin
://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence c) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines From: Daniel Begin [mailto:jfd...@hotmail.com] Sent: July-22-15 16:44 To: 'Paul Norman'; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding Bonjour

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-23 Thread Stewart C. Russell
The definition of ‘trunk’ is a difficult one, if based on the UK understanding. Like its unwritten constitution, trunk roads in the UK are more on a know it when I see it basis. Pretty much the only definitions I can think of that would be generally applicable are: * a trunk road goes from one

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-23 Thread Daniel Begin
-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding The definition of ‘trunk’ is a difficult one, if based on the UK understanding. Like its unwritten constitution, trunk roads in the UK are more on a know it when I see it basis. Pretty much the only definitions I can think

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-22 Thread J.P. Kirby
On 2015-07-22, at 10:39 AM, Daniel Begin jfd...@hotmail.com wrote: Since then, the document (a) is used by some contributors to recode primary roads to trunk because it is cited in the Canadian tagging guideline (c). IMHO, the problem is that this document (a) defines 3 Route Categories

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-22 Thread Daniel Begin
-guidance.pdf f) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway From: Tristan Anderson [mailto:andersontris...@hotmail.com] Sent: July-22-15 13:17 To: Daniel Begin; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding As I've always understood it, highway=trunk is used for core

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-22 Thread Tristan Anderson
-ca] Highway recoding I would like to have community’s point of view on this topic… Recently I have seen most primary roads in my area being recoded as trunk by at least two users. They both refer to a governmental document (a) to justify their edits but I disagree with their interpretation. I

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-22 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/22/2015 11:43 AM, Daniel Begin wrote: So far, I understand we have 2.5 votes for tagging trunk/motorway all roads identified as “core route” in document (a); 0.5 against (I am still torn between the two approaches!-) More comments would be appreciated Such an approach would be

[Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-22 Thread Daniel Begin
I would like to have community's point of view on this topic. Recently I have seen most primary roads in my area being recoded as trunk by at least two users. They both refer to a governmental document (a) to justify their edits but I disagree with their interpretation. I have asked them to

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-22 Thread Daniel Begin
suggested that the current definitions (using strategic approach) are good guidelines (but need not be followed religiously). Other comments on the subject Daniel From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] Sent: July-22-15 15:59 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca