Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Ed Avis wrote: > > I think automatically importing the OS data for areas where OSM currently > has > little to no coverage - or coverage merely traced from Yahoo imagery - is > a great idea. Many people don't want bots to trample on their 'patch' > which they > have carefully surveyed, which is

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Matt Amos wrote: > > as andy pointed out, i think we're addressing the wrong problem and > trying to fix it technically. maybe the best way forward is to address > the social problem: what can we do to grow the community? > I wouldn't say it is addressing the wrong problem but an orthogonal pro

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Richard Fairhurst writes: >>The OSM model has worked well for densely populated, prosperous areas. It's >>not at all clear that it is working well for remoter ones. >I spend half my week in Charlbury (which ain't densely populated) and the >other half in Burton-on-Trent (which ain't prosperous)

Re: [Talk-GB] Update to OSM Analysis

On 03/02/2011 14:30, Tom Hughes wrote: I wonder how much of that jump was people blindly copying names from the OS anywhere it showed a difference... That's exactly what happened round me. I had started work on surveying the differences to determine which was correct when another contributor cam

[Talk-GB] Opendata and the CT's [WAS Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?]

- Original Message - From: "Peter Miller" To: "Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250,000 UK roads quickly using a Bot? Thanks for your thoughts on this. I won't respond to individual points not bec

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Peter, Having read through most of the responses to date it is clear that there are arguments for and against your suggestion. Time to put my view. I'm not in favour, perhaps though not a surprise from the way I have mapped historically. I think imports generally receive mixed interest partl

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 3 February 2011 15:53, Lester Caine wrote: > Peter Miller wrote: > >> name, not:name, alt:name name:en, name"{lang} and possiby a few more. >> > alt:name or alt_name ? > > Just to nail things down a little before I clear any differences ... > > Where a name is different on a street sign --- ad

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 03/02/2011 15:24, Peter Miller wrote: Or do both? Surely the guys at the Royal Commission on Ancient Monuments are not about to head out on bikes to survey the area. What they will do, possibly, is get the boundary correct and put names on the buildings but not until the road network

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Peter Miller wrote: name, not:name, alt:name name:en, name"{lang} and possiby a few more. alt:name or alt_name ? Just to nail things down a little before I clear any differences ... Where a name is different on a street sign --- add not:name= ( I've a couple of 'road' that have the sign saying

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 03/02/2011 14:41, Peter Miller wrote: On 3 February 2011 14:32, Gregory > wrote: Peter, I know the ITO locator layer only shows missing names and that you're not just checking name=* (if the OS has a different name for some reason). What is t

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 3 February 2011 15:10, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM wrote: > On 03/02/2011 13:36, Tom Chance wrote: > > On 3 February 2011 11:51, Ed Avis wrote: > >> I think automatically importing the OS data for areas where OSM currently >> has >> little to no coverage - or coverage merely traced from Yahoo

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 03/02/2011 13:36, Tom Chance wrote: On 3 February 2011 11:51, Ed Avis > wrote: I think automatically importing the OS data for areas where OSM currently has little to no coverage - or coverage merely traced from Yahoo imagery - is a great idea.

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Ed Avis wrote: > 'Worked very well so far' is the part I disagree with. The OSM model has > worked well for densely populated, prosperous areas. It's not at all > clear > that it is working well for remoter ones. If it were, we would not be > having this conversation. I spend half my week i

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 3 February 2011 14:41, Ed Avis wrote: > Richard Fairhurst writes: > > >>We do also have real data on the effect of not doing imports - the towns > >>which are almost completely unmapped. > > > >So let's go and map them. It's worked very well so far. > > > >Am I missing something? > > 'Worked

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Richard Fairhurst writes: >>We do also have real data on the effect of not doing imports - the towns >>which are almost completely unmapped. > >So let's go and map them. It's worked very well so far. > >Am I missing something? 'Worked very well so far' is the part I disagree with. The OSM mod

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 3 February 2011 14:32, Gregory wrote: > I'm upset that the blue(95%+) area in the North East turns out to be > Darlington, which I believe is tracers that started OS once it was > available. > I've used the OS Locator tool around Durham, mainly in JOSM, to get towards > that 95%, and I turned

Re: [Talk-GB] Update to OSM Analysis

On 3 February 2011 14:30, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 03/02/11 14:27, Peter Miller wrote: > > > We have been logging the data every month since we released it 9 months > > ago. Initial analysis says that there was a jump when we introduced it, > > then progress slowed down, and that it has jumped agai

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

I'm upset that the blue(95%+) area in the North East turns out to be Darlington, which I believe is tracers that started OS once it was available. I've used the OS Locator tool around Durham, mainly in JOSM, to get towards that 95%, and I turned a bit addicted. It makes me worried that I might go b

Re: [Talk-GB] Update to OSM Analysis

On 03/02/11 14:27, Peter Miller wrote: > We have been logging the data every month since we released it 9 months > ago. Initial analysis says that there was a jump when we introduced it, > then progress slowed down, and that it has jumped again since we did our > recent release with thematic mappi

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Ed Avis wrote: > We do also have real data on the effect of not doing imports - the towns > which are almost completely unmapped. So let's go and map them. It's worked very well so far. Am I missing something? cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/

Re: [Talk-GB] Update to OSM Analysis

We have been logging the data every month since we released it 9 months ago. Initial analysis says that there was a jump when we introduced it, then progress slowed down, and that it has jumped again since we did our recent release with thematic mapping. I suspect that this rate will again slow. N

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Tom Chance wrote: > But what about the Lleyn Peninsula in Gwynedd, north west Wales? I've > worked on Criccieth and the surrounding area for years, some others > have done bits in a few other towns, but most of the county and the > peninsula are still very bare after 5-6 years of OSM. > > I don

Re: [Talk-GB] Update to OSM Analysis

On 20 January 2011 16:42, Peter Miller wrote: > ITO are pleased to offer out updated version of OSM Analysis with a thematic > overview page allowing us to see how we are getting on in different parts of > the county. > > To get the top prize 95% of the roads represented in OS Locator need to be >

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Ed Avis wrote: > Dair Grant writes: > >>> There is suggestion raised by a number of people, but refuted by others that >>> imports reduce the number of contributors. >> >>It has been denied, not refuted. I think the closest there is to real data >>on the effect is:

Re: [Talk-GB] Preparation before going mapping (was: ...using a Bot?)

Ed, On 3 February 2011 13:27, Ed Avis wrote: > So I'd be interested to hear what strategies others use and whether we > can learn some hints from each other. Once you understand how someone > maps you may also understand better their position on data imports and > robot assistance. > I think t

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 3 February 2011 11:51, Ed Avis wrote: > I think automatically importing the OS data for areas where OSM currently > has > little to no coverage - or coverage merely traced from Yahoo imagery - is > a great idea. > I agree. I would be totally opposed to this bot sniffing around Southwark, whi

[Talk-GB] Preparation before going mapping (was: ...using a Bot?)

Jonathan Harley writes: >I used to be quite active in wikipedia, and the experience there is >clearly that there are far, far more people who want to be editors >than who want to contribute brand-new content. I suspect if OSM did >more to attract "gardeners" as someone else put it, there could be

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Dair Grant writes: >> There is suggestion raised by a number of people, but refuted by others that >> imports reduce the number of contributors. > >It has been denied, not refuted. I think the closest there is to real data >on the effect is: > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Ed Avis wrote: > I suggest, but cannot prove, that seeing an entirely blank canvas doesn't > entice you to start adding to the map, which must necessarily involve adding > small bits at a time. Actually, seeing a blank canvas in my local area was exactly my motivation. But everyone is different,

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 03/02/11 11:51, Ed Avis wrote: Lastly, I don't believe that adding data from external sources discourages contributors. Quite the opposite. It is a blank canvas that puts people off. The way to bring in contributors is to show a map with a few missing details that are so tempting to fix 'ju

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Peter Miller wrote: > There is suggestion raised by a number of people, but refuted by others that > imports reduce the number of contributors. It has been denied, not refuted. I think the closest there is to real data on the effect is:

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Peter Miller wrote: > > > On 3 February 2011 11:32, Matt Amos wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM >> wrote: >> > OS OpenData is out-of-date. The April 2010 StreetView tiles are at least >> > 2 >> > years old, and where I've ch

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

I'm not sure that mapping parties by non-locals are that different from armchair tracing in terms of community engagement. Rather than a bot, I'd aim for a tool that suggested the OS name if you draw a road or click on an existing road without a name. That would save an awful lot of typing while st

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Dair Grant writes: >>Lastly, I don't believe that adding data from external sources discourages >>contributors. Quite the opposite. It is a blank canvas that puts people off. >>The way to bring in contributors is to show a map with a few missing details >>that are so tempting to fix 'just one t

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 3 February 2011 11:51, Ed Avis wrote: > I think automatically importing the OS data for areas where OSM currently > has > little to no coverage - or coverage merely traced from Yahoo imagery - is > a great idea. Many people don't want bots to trample on their 'patch' > which they > have caref

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Ed Avis wrote: > Lastly, I don't believe that adding data from external sources discourages > contributors. Quite the opposite. It is a blank canvas that puts people off. > The way to bring in contributors is to show a map with a few missing details > that are so tempting to fix 'just one thing'

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

>I think automatically importing the OS data for areas where OSM currently has >little to no coverage - or coverage merely traced from Yahoo imagery - is >a great idea.  Many people don't want bots to trample on their 'patch' which >they >have carefully surveyed, which is fine. Any "bot" would h

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 3 February 2011 11:32, Matt Amos wrote: > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM > wrote: > > OS OpenData is out-of-date. The April 2010 StreetView tiles are at least > 2 > > years old, and where I've checked VDM is similarly dated. I have not > failed > > to find a signi

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

I think automatically importing the OS data for areas where OSM currently has little to no coverage - or coverage merely traced from Yahoo imagery - is a great idea. Many people don't want bots to trample on their 'patch' which they have carefully surveyed, which is fine. But there is still a hu

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 3 February 2011 11:44, Lester Caine wrote: > Peter Miller wrote: > >> I use the following method. >> >> If the OS name is different from the streetsign and general usage I put >> it in not:name >> If it is apparently a valid alternative I put it on alt_name >> I am not clear why anything else

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Peter Miller wrote: I use the following method. If the OS name is different from the streetsign and general usage I put it in not:name If it is apparently a valid alternative I put it on alt_name I am not clear why anything else is required. Probably half of the 'errors' in this area are due t

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Andy Allan writes: >>This started over Xmas I decided to experimented using Potlatch 2, OS Open >>Data and Bing aerial to map a completely unmapped town (Lakenheath) to OSM >>as far as I could without visting the place. >I've just checked a few well-mapped areas - Tendring, Hull and >Edinburgh -

[Talk-GB] Fwd: Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 3 February 2011 11:15, Chris Hill wrote: > On 03/02/11 11:04, Peter Miller wrote: > >> >> Fyi, ITO will soon have to give the OS £13,500 for another's years use of >> their ITN dataset and then additional usage and printing fees during the >> year. As such I really want to get to the point whe

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Peter Miller writes: >If the OS name is different from the streetsign and general usage I put it in >not:name > >If it is apparently a valid alternative I put it on alt_name I hadn't realized that your OS Locator data check looks at alt_name too, thanks. Sometimes it is necessary to add both al

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM wrote: > OS OpenData is out-of-date. The April 2010 StreetView tiles are at least 2 > years old, and where I've checked VDM is similarly dated. I have not failed > to find a significant change between OS OpenData (and Bing imagery) in > d

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Peter Miller wrote: > This started over Xmas I decided to experimented using Potlatch 2, OS Open > Data and Bing aerial to map a completely unmapped town (Lakenheath) to OSM > as far as I could without visting the place. It worked very well and I then > added Bran

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 3 February 2011 10:04, Lester Caine wrote: > Peter Miller wrote: > >> Don't worry - this will only happen once every three months when the OS >> publish an updated OS Locator file. We updated to the latest OS Locator >> version (dated November 10) last night, hence a few places have fallen >>

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 03/02/11 11:04, Peter Miller wrote: Fyi, ITO will soon have to give the OS £13,500 for another's years use of their ITN dataset and then additional usage and printing fees during the year. As such I really want to get to the point where we can say 'no thanks'! As I suspected, the real moti

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I won't respond to individual points not because I don't think they are valid, but because I think it will be useful to hear from others and let the conversation develop. I am of course aware that there is ia lot of concern about the proposal in the comments so far

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

I am listening to the feedback. Lets look that this from my perspective. I have spent a lot of time filling out Suffolk with data from the OS.This started in Ipswich with using the ITO compare tiles to spot errors and omissions in the town itself. This started over Xmas I decided to experimented

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 02/02/2011 21:10, Peter Miller wrote: ITO have been offering a service to compare osm road names with os locator road names for a while now[1] which has encouraged a lot of activity - and has even led to Andy to obsession.[2] I have also suffered from a bout of urgent mapping myself while c

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Peter Miller wrote: > ITO have been offering a service to compare osm road names with os locator > road names for a while now[1]  which has encouraged a lot of activity - and > has even led to Andy to obsession.[2] I have also suffered from a bout of > urgent mappin

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Richard Fairhurst wrote: Speaking locally: If anyone were to propose running this on the West Oxfordshire/Cotswolds area I would revert it as a matter of course,_unless_ very good reasons had been agreed in advance on the oxon-cotswolds@ mailing list. I think I'm probably with you on my area of

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Peter Miller wrote: > Any thoughts? Very, very sceptical. We are slowly coming out of a dismal winter and getting back into the season when we can do real surveying. That is, and always will be, OSM's strength. If a bot can "fix" OSM by mashing it up with OS data, it can just as easily post th

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Peter Miller wrote: Don't worry - this will only happen once every three months when the OS publish an updated OS Locator file. We updated to the latest OS Locator version (dated November 10) last night, hence a few places have fallen off their '100% perch'! We should be due another one reasonabl

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

Peter I have been using the excellent analysis tool to try to complete roads data in my Borough (Enfield). I am now left with some that need a further very careful walk/bike survey. This is to deal with parts of North Circular and Hertford Road with weird combinations of road/ref names accordin

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 3 February 2011 08:47, Tom Chance wrote: > On 2 February 2011 21:10, Peter Miller wrote: > >> It could do the following: >> >> 1) Add names to existing roads in osm where there is a single un-named >> ways in osm with a bounding box which matches that of a single entry in os >> locator. >> >>

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Reminder West Mids OSM social tomorrow (Thur)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

On 2 February 2011 21:10, Peter Miller wrote: > It could do the following: > > 1) Add names to existing roads in osm where there is a single un-named ways > in osm with a bounding box which matches that of a single entry in os > locator. > > 2) In addition... it might be able to also add roads t