Re: [talk-ph] better ways to coordinate coastline mapping?

2010-07-14 Per discussione maning sambale
The top ten islands is almost complete (not in the mandelbrotian sense). I added a new list of coastline bounty in the wiki (11-30 largest islands) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Coastline_Corrections#Priorities Please edit the status as you start working on each

Re: [talk-ph] better ways to coordinate coastline mapping?

2010-07-14 Per discussione Jim Morgan
maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 14 July, 2010 04:02 PM: Note that some have a 99% status already, but, it is good for other eyeballs to have a look and comment on the actual %age and status. I was surprised to see Palawan as 99% complete, so I whizzed over there for a quick look. I'd have

Re: [talk-ph] better ways to coordinate coastline mapping?

2010-07-14 Per discussione maning sambale
jim, What I mean here is the mainland of Palawan. But yes the smaller islands needs more work. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 14 July, 2010 04:02 PM: Note that some have a 99% status already, but, it is good for other

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:32 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is there's no time limit either.  The process can be allowed to drag on for another 5 years if necessary. All the time that there is uncertaintly about the license it is harming the project.  Deterring potential

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:25 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/13 Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com: If Richard's statement relayed through Frederik of that at least 90% of data is an absolute minimum becomes binding, (which would still leave a huge amount of room for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see a definition (or an attempt of one, or an order of magnitude suggestion) of critical mass in that document (or any of the others). So how is this detailed with respect to this point? If anyone can point me to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Per discussione John Smith
On 14 July 2010 19:25, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: However, I'd be interested in hearing what you think. Could you put some numbers on what would make you feel comfortable? I've tried such an exercise myself (and came to the same conclusions as the LWG in the end) but that doesn't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Per discussione Liz
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Sam Larsen wrote: I feel imho that the LWG do represent the vast majority of mappers, care about the project, care about all the hard work that we all have put into this, have noted all the concerns that have been raised and will not make a decision that will cause too

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Per discussione 80n
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:32 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is there's no time limit either. The process can be allowed to drag on for another 5 years if necessary. That's not quite true, and I think

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:12 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: The correct way to re-license a project is to fork it. I whole-heartedly disagree. Do you think that wikipedia should have forked for their relicensing? Or Mozilla? They managed to find ways to achieve relicensing without the massive

[OSM-legal-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
I've split this from the original thread before it derails the one it was in any further, and cc'd legal-talk. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:57, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Ęvar Arnfjörš Bjarmason wrote:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Per discussione 80n
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:12 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: The correct way to re-license a project is to fork it. I whole-heartedly disagree. Do you think that wikipedia should have forked for their relicensing?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Per discussione Emilie Laffray
On 14 July 2010 14:05, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: I.e. can the legal advice only be shared among people actually on the LWG conference call, and not all OSMF members? Who can be on the call - LWG members, any OSMF member, or anyone involved in the project? Actually, I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 13:05, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: On 14/07/2010, at 10:28 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I'm no expert on this sort of thing, but there are probably a lot of well known pitfalls to avoid when trying to run an inclusive international project in

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ulf Lamping
Am 14.07.2010 01:26, schrieb John Smith: There has been a slightly disturbing thread on the legal-talk list about defining critical mass, so far things aren't any closer to being defined and statistics are being abused to suit positions:

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: I had hoped that after the dust settled a bit the OSMF learned from these discussions, but reading the above legal talk thread I still see the same elitist behaviour from the inner circle as before - very sad to see

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione John Smith
On 14 July 2010 17:59, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: A lot of the points in this thread was already discussed by others and me around 2009. The whole license (change) discussion in 2009 (to my understanding) boiled down to: Become member of the OSMF or shut up and follow our

Re: [OSM-talk] Shared nodes between non-routable objects?

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ross Scanlon
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:19:00 +1000 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. In my area (Victoria, Australia), we have administrative boundaries supplied by the government, and you can see that in some places they follow roads or creeks, but we've never quite taken the step of confirming

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione David Ellams
Am 14.07.2010 09:59, schrieb Ulf Lamping: See what our (IMHO not so) respectful OSMF chairman and project founder Steve C had to say about license (working group) critics in December 2009: http://fakestevec.blogspot.com/2009/12/fable.html Um, I think it is worth pointing out the word

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Kai Krueger
Ulf Lamping wrote: See what our (IMHO not so) respectful OSMF chairman and project founder Steve C had to say about license (working group) critics in December 2009: http://fakestevec.blogspot.com/2009/12/fable.html You are aware that you pointed to a post by _fake_ stevec? I.e.

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: A lot of the points in this thread was already discussed by others and me around 2009. The whole license (change) discussion in 2009 (to my understanding) boiled down to: Become member of the OSMF or shut up and

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione John Smith
On 14 July 2010 19:08, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: See also http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes if you are interested in seeing what's been involved in the LWG so far. How about defining some specific points about what an acceptable loss of data will be,

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 09:08, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: But there's no intention to create an inner circle or, by corrollary, exclude other people. What could we (you/me/LWG) do to make this more inclusive? [...] See also

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Andreas Labres
On 14.07.10 09:59, Ulf Lamping wrote: A lot of the points in this thread was already discussed by others and me around 2009. The whole license (change) discussion in 2009 (to my understanding) boiled down to: Become member of the OSMF or shut up and follow our judgement. Well, I am an OSMF

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ulf Lamping
Am 14.07.2010 12:03, schrieb Andreas Labres: On 14.07.10 09:59, Ulf Lamping wrote: I had hoped that after the dust settled a bit the OSMF learned from these discussions, but reading the above legal talk thread I still see the same elitist behaviour from the inner circle as before - very sad

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
Andy Allan wrote: But there's no intention to create an inner circle or, by corrollary, exclude other people. What could we (you/me/LWG) do to make this more inclusive? 1. Define reasonable limits for your future decisions, so people know what to expect. 2. Let active contributors have a say

[OSM-talk] Question on filtering data

2010-07-14 Per discussione Liz
I would like to filter OSM data in a large area which is about 600km square and find what has been surveyed by a particular mapper. If data has been added to this later eg a maxspeed tag by another mapper, I do not want this data excluded. I accept that this may involve a series of searches.

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: That doesn't just go for the LWG, it seems that a lot of the people involved in the OSMF prefer to do things via conference calls. The calls aren't recorded and published (that I've seen) Recording and making public such conversations would mean that

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote:  On 14.07.10 09:59, Ulf Lamping wrote: I had hoped that after the dust settled a bit the OSMF learned from these discussions, but reading the above legal talk thread I still see the same elitist behaviour from the inner

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ulf Lamping
Am 14.07.2010 11:08, schrieb Andy Allan: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: See what our (IMHO not so) respectful OSMF chairman and project founder Steve C had to say about license (working group) critics in December 2009:

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Ęvar Arnfjörš Bjarmason wrote: That doesn't just go for the LWG, it seems that a lot of the people involved in the OSMF prefer to do things via conference calls. The calls aren't recorded and published (that I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Richard Weait
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:18 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 July 2010 19:08, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: See also http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes if you are interested in seeing what's been involved in the LWG so far. How about

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Ulf Lamping wrote: For example remember positions like Richard Fairhursts in the thread (I know that it's not an official OSMF/LWG position) Of course it isn't. I'm not on the OSMF board let alone LWG; indeed, I actively told OSMF earlier this year that I did not intend to assist it in any

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Liz
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I am simply saying that if you wanted to get involved in the decision whether or not to ask users how they would licence their contributions, there was a really simple way to do so: by joining OSMF. That I did, and was disappointed at the failure

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Kai Krueger
Richard Weait wrote: Interesting idea. How should this work? Something like?: ... steps leading to today - users indicate ODbL acceptance or not - summarize user replies: x replies, y accept. - somebody processes all the results to show data effect - publish those results - users

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione John Smith
On 14 July 2010 20:59, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: What do you suggest would be acceptable / unacceptable? I would consider things to fail if more than 5-10% of data disappears in any region. At the very least it would be demoralising for anyone that spent even a few hours working to

[OSM-talk] [SOTM] For those who don't know how awesome Ivan Sanchez can be

2010-07-14 Per discussione Emilie Laffray
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjO1S0AYMs4 Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] State of the Map 2010 - Concert Contest Winner

2010-07-14 Per discussione Richard Weait
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjO1S0AYMs4 State of the Map 2010 wasn't all panel discussions, intense technical debate and delicious tapas. State of the Map 2010 was also a bit of fun. Five songs were entered in the Concert Contest for the entertainment of the performers, and even the

[OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
I've split this from the original thread before it derails the one it was in any further, and cc'd legal-talk. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:57, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Ęvar Arnfjörš Bjarmason wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Per discussione James Livingston
On 14/07/2010, at 10:28 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I'm no expert on this sort of thing, but there are probably a lot of well known pitfalls to avoid when trying to run an inclusive international project in many languages. I'd think having English-only discussion at a set time

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Per discussione Emilie Laffray
On 14 July 2010 14:05, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: I.e. can the legal advice only be shared among people actually on the LWG conference call, and not all OSMF members? Who can be on the call - LWG members, any OSMF member, or anyone involved in the project? Actually, I

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 13:05, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: On 14/07/2010, at 10:28 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I'm no expert on this sort of thing, but there are probably a lot of well known pitfalls to avoid when trying to run an inclusive international project in

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Kevin Peat
In a project where there are endless copies of the data floating around the net I can't see how deleting non-trivial amounts of data is going to work anyway. What is going to stop people who don't care about the license change, or are just pissed off to lose their work, just re-uploading the

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione 80n
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Further to what Frederik has said, there's a couple more points that are important. The OSMF receives legal advice on matters relating to the license change, and as far as I'm aware they are forbidden from making the

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Anthony
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: I am simply saying that if you wanted to get involved in the decision whether or not to ask users how they would licence their contributions, there was a really simple way to do so: by joining OSMF. If you want to

[OSM-talk] Garmin Maps

2010-07-14 Per discussione Sam Vekemans
Hi all, Is there an #osm-garmin IRC chat for those who specialize in making custom garmin maps? I think there is a need to combine the tallent that is collectively known about all the tools available to make it. With an aim to make a better central repository for the maps. And a slippy map system

Re: [OSM-talk] [SOTM] For those who don't know how awesome Ivan Sanchez can be

2010-07-14 Per discussione Iván Sánchez Ortega
El 14/07/2010 14:04, Emilie Laffray escribió: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjO1S0AYMs4 And so, the IvanSanchez fan club is born: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Melaskia -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [SOTM] For those who don't know how awesome Ivan Sanchez can be

2010-07-14 Per discussione Emilie Laffray
2010/7/14 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es And so, the IvanSanchez fan club is born: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Melaskia HAHAHAHAHAHA, yeah yeah, I really need to set that up! Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [SOTM] For those who don't know how awesome Ivan Sanchez can be

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ian Dees
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjO1S0AYMs4 Does anyone have the lyrics and/or video from what was presented on the screen behind him? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite Imagery of South America

2010-07-14 Per discussione vitor
Hello Guillermo, We talked directly by gtalk, but I would like to answer you on the list so more people can give their opinion. This license published at INPE site restricts the use of images by people outside Brazil. On the other hand, I got an answer from a director of INPE, authorizing the

Re: [OSM-talk] [SOTM] For those who don't know how awesome Ivan Sanchez can be

2010-07-14 Per discussione Iván Sánchez Ortega
El día Wednesday 14 July 2010 17:56:54, Ian Dees dijo: Does anyone have the lyrics and/or video from what was presented on the screen behind him? http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/need_a_map/song.html It still has a couple of bugs, though. And, believe it or not, I didn't have the time to finish

Re: [OSM-talk] Error loading Yahoo-Images in Potlatch

2010-07-14 Per discussione Peter Herison
Am 13.07.2010 21:08, schrieb Peter Herison: Am 12.07.2010 23:04, schrieb Peter Herison: Does anyone encounter errors loading Yahoo-Images in Potlatch? http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=39.111598lon=-94.712041zoom=19 ... I had no problems today in the office. Everything works fine, but...

Re: [OSM-talk] Error loading Yahoo-Images in Potlatch

2010-07-14 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Peter Herison wrote: Now the strage part: Closed FF. Cleared browser cache without hope but... After starting FF again, the error-images were gone. I could continue editing like before and see all Yahoo-Images. Even these tiles that has errors before. I tried the same here at home (again)

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
Richard Weait wrote: Allow contributors to vote before the change over occurs, not just if they agree to license their data under ODBL or not... Interesting idea. How should this work? Something like?: ... steps leading to today - users indicate ODbL acceptance or not - summarize user

[OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-14 Per discussione Richard Weait
[I re-added attribution for John Smith that appears to have been dropped during context trimming.] On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Richard Weait wrote: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] Allow contributors to vote before the change

Re: [OSM-talk] Error loading Yahoo-Images in Potlatch

2010-07-14 Per discussione Peter Herison
Am 14.07.2010 18:37, schrieb Richard Fairhurst: Flash Player tends to cache things very aggressively - it's a constant pain. The question is: Where? I close FF, clear the browser cache, start FF and open Potlatch. I can see files emerging in the cache-folder. When I open them in paint, I can

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-14 Per discussione John Smith
On 15 July 2010 04:56, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: [I re-added attribution for John Smith that appears to have been dropped during context trimming.] Pretty sure Kai was responsible for this sentiment on the legal list thread. Right, the contributor terms state 2/3 of active

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-14 Per discussione Liz
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Richard Weait wrote: Interesting idea. How should this work? Something like?: ... steps leading to today - users indicate ODbL acceptance or not - summarize user replies: x replies, y accept. - somebody processes all the results to show data effect - publish

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-14 Per discussione Kai Krueger
Richard Weait wrote: Right, the contributor terms state 2/3 of active contributors and a minimum of three weeks for the vote. Would an additional three-week or longer voting period, added to the process now be a problem? Given that the whole process has taken on the order of two years, I

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-14 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 20:56, Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Richard Weait wrote: [ ... ] Or more simply. Ask users if they are willing to proceed. Calculate and show users the results. Then ask users if that is good enough to

[OSM-talk] Wiki key:maxspeed page

2010-07-14 Per discussione Alan Mintz
Looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maxspeed , it clearly say that, for countries that use imperial values (i.e. in miles/hour), we should tag the speed limits shown on the signs (+ mph), not convert them to kph. Assuming there is no significant disagreement with this, why should

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Status Amsterdam-wiki was: Amsterdam-Noord - Mapping Noorderpark

2010-07-14 Per discussione Martijn van Exel
Luitjes, Dit was even aan mijn aandacht ontsnapt. Vanavond kan ik jammer genoeg niet meer. Ik wil het wel warm houden, wie kan er volgende week een keer? Ideeën voor wat te doen en waar? Ik ga wel voor een wiki-cleanup! Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org Laziness – Impatience – Hubris

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fietknooppunten

2010-07-14 Per discussione Roeland Douma
Hoi, Er is zojuist een nieuwe check bij gekomen. Deze kijken of de knooppunten wel aan een weg zijn verbonden (het type maakt niet uit). Dit zijn momenteel 369 nodes. Met wat lokale kennis moet dit heel eenvoudig een stuk lager te kijrgen zijn. Voor de lijst zie [1] Groet, --Roeland [1]

[OSM-talk-nl] Omtaggen AND data

2010-07-14 Per discussione Roeland Douma
Howdy, Enkele tijd terug heeft Lennard een kaartje naar deze lijst gestuurd met daarop het volgende voorstel. Het omtaggen van: highway=tertiary + AND:importance_level=5 + version=1 = highway=unclassified Hierbij was teven een visualisatie [1]. Deze visulisatie laat de kaart zien met de

[talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

2010-07-14 Per discussione Franc Carter
Hi, I'm planning a Sydney Canberra trip this weekend and will be able to make at least one direction a full day trip and do some mapping. So, does anyone have a suggestion for an unmapped own that is on the way(ish) ? cheers -- Franc ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

2010-07-14 Per discussione Peter Ross
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Franc Carter wrote: Hi, I'm planning a Sydney Canberra trip this weekend and will be able to make at least one direction a full day trip and do some mapping. So, does anyone have a suggestion for an unmapped own that is on the way(ish) ? You can use

Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

2010-07-14 Per discussione Babstar
Hi Franc, I think I have filled most of the holes between Campbelltown, Goulburn on the Hume Highway secondary roads. You may want to look closely at Sautter to find missing pieces to the South of Goulburn, back of lake George Bungendore, Lake Bathurst, or alternatively

[talk-au] Fwd: OSM Mapping Party - Bell 31 Oct?

2010-07-14 Per discussione David Dean
Hi talk-au, I've gotten an interesting request from Chris McAlister and Alex Webster for OSM to get involved in a MapMyTown event at Bell, Qld. It would tentatively be scheduled for 31 October. I will be collaborating with Chris and Alex in getting OSM involved in this event, and having access

Re: [talk-au] OSM Mapping Party - Bell 31 Oct?

2010-07-14 Per discussione David Dean
The Surveying and Spatial Sciences Institute, Queensland Young Professionals Committee (SSSIQ YPs) are running their MapMyTown project for the first time in 2010. The project: The MapMyTown project aims to use as many available spatial surveying technologies and methods as possible to build

Re: [Talk-br] Mandou bem na foto...

2010-07-14 Per discussione vitor
Eu acabei de mandar para o Arlindo, e assim ele coloca no slideshare para todos verem! 2010/7/14 Duke duke1...@gmail.com Legal Vitor, eu quero a apresentação sim, pode mandar Emerson Vinicius On 13/07/2010, at 14:58, vitor wrote: Legal, né? No final eu troquei bandeira com um cara de

[Talk-br] Relatório Semanal: 14/07/2010

2010-07-14 Per discussione vitor
*Status dos Projetos OSM-br* * B250C - Brasil 250 Cidades* Página do Projeto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Brazil/Brasil_250_Cidades *2a. fase* Conectividade em *74,58%* *(-1,24%)* Grid Atualizado (html): http://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.html (15 Mb) Grid

Re: [Talk-br] Mandou bem na foto...

2010-07-14 Per discussione Arlindo Pereira
http://www.slideshare.net/nighto/state-of-brazil-2010 []s Em 14 de julho de 2010 09:31, vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com escreveu: Eu acabei de mandar para o Arlindo, e assim ele coloca no slideshare para todos verem! 2010/7/14 Duke duke1...@gmail.com Legal Vitor, eu quero a apresentação

Re: [Talk-de] Theresienwiese

2010-07-14 Per discussione Guenther Meyer
Am Mittwoch 14 Juli 2010, 00:08:56 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 13. Juli 2010 20:02 schrieb Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com: sollte man vielleicht dann eher village_green nehmen? m.E. sollte man village_green ausserhalb der Länder, wo es das gibt, überhaupt nicht verwenden, ich

Re: [Talk-de] Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP

2010-07-14 Per discussione Sven Geggus
Florian Gross usenet-spam-genausoguel...@grossing.de wrote: Welchen Zweck erfüllt eine solche Relation eigentlich? Bleiben sie für die nächsten 100 Kilometer auf der B42? In der Tat ist es natürlich so dass ein passendes ref Tag auf allen Teilstücken den selben Zweck erfüllen könnte. Sven --

Re: [Talk-de] Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-14 Per discussione Chris66
Am 14.07.2010 02:03, schrieb Florian Gross: fly glaubte zu wissen: Er hat auch die network-Relation aller Bundesstraßen (id 31495) gelöscht. Welchen Zweck erfüllt eine solche Relation eigentlich? man kann per (X)API relativ schnell eine Liste aller Bundesstraßen bekommen. Laut Wiki sind

Re: [Talk-de] Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-14 Per discussione Marcus Wolschon
2010/7/14 Chris66 chris66...@gmx.de: Am 14.07.2010 02:03, schrieb Florian Gross: fly glaubte zu wissen: Er hat auch die network-Relation aller Bundesstraßen (id 31495) gelöscht. Welchen Zweck erfüllt eine solche Relation eigentlich? man kann per (X)API relativ schnell eine Liste aller

Re: [Talk-de] Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-14 Per discussione André Joost
Am 14.07.10 09:34, schrieb Chris66: Am 14.07.2010 02:03, schrieb Florian Gross: fly glaubte zu wissen: Er hat auch die network-Relation aller Bundesstraßen (id 31495) gelöscht. Welchen Zweck erfüllt eine solche Relation eigentlich? man kann per (X)API relativ schnell eine Liste aller

Re: [Talk-de] Cafe-Arten

2010-07-14 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck
Am 12.07.2010 14:53, schrieb Georg Feddern: Moin, Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Nun habe ich auf [1] das Tag CUISINE gesehen. Würdet Ihr das auch dafür verwenden und wenn ja mit welchem Wert? na ja, cuisine gibt ja eigentlich das an, was dort angeboten wird - das unterscheidet sich eher weniger,

Re: [Talk-de] Durchgehende Mittellinie

2010-07-14 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
Am 13.07.2010 21:36, schrieb steffterra: Am 13.07.2010 um 20:00 schrieb Tobias Knerr: Am 13.07.2010 18:31, schrieb steffterra: - Unterbrechungen der durchgezogenen Mittellinie kann man einfach zwischen zwei Knoten durch das absichtliche Setzen des no-Werts abbilden. - z.B. wenn zwischen

Re: [Talk-de] Cafe-Arten

2010-07-14 Per discussione André Joost
Am 14.07.10 09:57, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: auf [1] gibt es ein beispiel für cuisine mit dem wert coffee_shop. kann mir einer sagen was ihr unter dem begriff coffee_shop verstehen würdet. solche geschäfte wie [2]. Man merkt, dass du aus dem Norden kommst:

Re: [Talk-de] Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-14 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
Am 14.07.2010 09:41, schrieb Marcus Wolschon: Er hat auch die network-Relation aller Bundesstraßen (id 31495) gelöscht. Welchen Zweck erfüllt eine solche Relation eigentlich? man kann per (X)API relativ schnell eine Liste aller Bundesstraßen bekommen. Leider nicht. Denn du musst die Fälle:

Re: [Talk-de] Cafe-Arten

2010-07-14 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck
Am 14.07.2010 10:15, schrieb André Joost: Am 14.07.10 09:57, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: auf [1] gibt es ein beispiel für cuisine mit dem wert coffee_shop. kann mir einer sagen was ihr unter dem begriff coffee_shop verstehen würdet. solche geschäfte wie [2]. Man merkt, dass du aus dem Norden

Re: [Talk-de] tag für Kulturgut unter Sonderschutz

2010-07-14 Per discussione Walter Nordmann
Du meinst auf deutsch denkmalgeschützte Gebäude (ggf. Anlagen)? Wir haben wohl leider echt noch nichts dafür, hatte mal vor 1-2 Jahren ein SVG mit dem Symbol gemacht und Roman Grabolle geschickt, der sich darum kümmern wollte, weiss aber nicht, was daraus geworden ist (liest er hier

Re: [Talk-de] Cafe-Arten

2010-07-14 Per discussione André Joost
Am 14.07.10 10:24, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Am 14.07.2010 10:15, schrieb André Joost: Am 14.07.10 09:57, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: auf [1] gibt es ein beispiel für cuisine mit dem wert coffee_shop. kann mir einer sagen was ihr unter dem begriff coffee_shop verstehen würdet. solche geschäfte wie

Re: [Talk-de] Bundesratsinitiative für StreetView -Gesetz

2010-07-14 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
Am 14.07.2010 09:40, schrieb Norbert Kück: Ja, es kann ein personenbezogenes Datum in so einer Aufnahme liegen: [...] - Der Erhaltungszustand und die erkennbare Ausstattung des Gebäudes lassen Schlüsse auf die Finanzkraft der Eigentümer/Bewohner zu. - Erkennbare Einrichtungen (oder deren

Re: [Talk-de] Strategie zur korrekten Entfernung der alegria-Aktionen, war Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP

2010-07-14 Per discussione Rainer Knaepper
frede...@remote.org (Frederik Ramm) am 13.07.10: Ulkigerweise, sehe ich an meinen Logs, stelle ich dadurch eine ganze Menge von Objekten wieder her, die pfoten_weg_!_ zuletzt bearbeitet hatte, die beiden scheinen im gleichen Gebiet untewegs zu sein. Ein Schelm, der böses dabei denkt. Rainer

Re: [Talk-de] Strategie zur korrekten Entfernung der alegria-Aktionen, war Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP

2010-07-14 Per discussione Falk Zscheile
Am 14. Juli 2010 09:53 schrieb Rainer Knaepper rain...@smial.prima.de: frede...@remote.org (Frederik Ramm)  am 13.07.10: Ulkigerweise, sehe ich an meinen Logs, stelle ich dadurch eine ganze Menge von Objekten wieder her, die pfoten_weg_!_ zuletzt bearbeitet hatte, die beiden scheinen im gleichen

[Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel

2010-07-14 Per discussione Andreas Labres
Hallo! (Ich fange einen neuen Thread an, weil ich nix gefunden habe, wo ich es sinnvoll dranhängen kann) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Open_Data_License_FAQ An anderer Stelle wurde grade festgestellt, daß es problematisch ist, den ersten Bearbeiter eines Objektes als den Urheber

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel

2010-07-14 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Andreas Labres wrote: IMO kann man aus der History einfach nicht herauslesen. Punkt. Drum finde ich es nicht ok, daß beim Lizenzwechsel der erste Bearbeiter jetzt als der Urheber des Objektes angesehen wird. Das heißt für mich, ich muß jetzt alle Objekte, die ich je angefasst habe, neu

Re: [Talk-de] Cafe-Arten

2010-07-14 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck
Am 14.07.2010 10:41, schrieb André Joost: Am 14.07.10 10:24, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Am 14.07.2010 10:15, schrieb André Joost: Am 14.07.10 09:57, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: auf [1] gibt es ein beispiel für cuisine mit dem wert coffee_shop. kann mir einer sagen was ihr unter dem begriff

Re: [Talk-de] unechte Einbahnstraße

2010-07-14 Per discussione Bernd Raichle
On Tuesday, 13 July 2010 22:40:06 +0200, steffterra steffte...@me.com writes: Am 13.07.2010 um 21:07 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 13. Juli 2010 19:06 schrieb steffterra steffte...@me.com: [...] 2. Da der Knoten aber (z.B. im Mindest-Falle einer T-Kreuzung) auch Teil eines weiteren

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel

2010-07-14 Per discussione Sven Geggus
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Klar gibt es Edits, die so weitreichend sind, dass vom Original praktisch nichts mehr uebrig bleibt. Auch die sollten bei einer was loeschen wir-Entscheidung beruecksichtigt werden. Wird alles nicht leicht! Aber kein Grund, jetzt in Aktionismus

Re: [Talk-de] Bundesratsinitiative für StreetView -Gesetz

2010-07-14 Per discussione Norbert Kück
Hallo am 14.07.2010 10:41 schrieb Tobias Knerr: Am 14.07.2010 09:40, schrieb Norbert Kück: Ja, es kann ein personenbezogenes Datum in so einer Aufnahme liegen: [...] - Der Erhaltungszustand und die erkennbare Ausstattung des Gebäudes lassen Schlüsse auf die Finanzkraft der Eigentümer/Bewohner

[Talk-de] Gummiabloesung beim Garmin (was: Re: Garmin eTrex Vista HCx sehr langsam seit Firmware 3.10?)

2010-07-14 Per discussione Steffen Wolf
Benjamin Lebsanft schrieb: On Mo, 2010-07-12 at 00:57 -0700, NopMap wrote: Benjamin Lebsanft wrote: Jetzt habe ich dank Gummiramierung ein Neugerät mit Firmware 3.30 bekommen, das die Karte auch so langsam lädt. Nachdem mein Vista auch unter Gummiablösung leidet: Wie alt war Deines und

Re: [Talk-de] Cafe-Arten

2010-07-14 Per discussione André Joost
Am 14.07.10 13:01, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Am 14.07.2010 10:41, schrieb André Joost: Am 14.07.10 10:24, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Am 14.07.2010 10:15, schrieb André Joost: Am 14.07.10 09:57, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: auf [1] gibt es ein beispiel für cuisine mit dem wert coffee_shop. kann mir

Re: [Talk-de] unechte Einbahnstraße

2010-07-14 Per discussione Heiko Jacobs
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Am 13. Juli 2010 19:06 schrieb steffterra steffte...@me.com: 2. Da der Knoten aber (z.B. im Mindest-Falle einer T-Kreuzung) auch Teil eines weiteren ways ist, -1 auch -1 der entsprechende Knoten ist da, wo das Schild ist, das ist nie die Mitte einer Kreuzung.

Re: [Talk-de] Cafe-Arten

2010-07-14 Per discussione fly
Am 14.07.2010 09:57, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: auf [1] gibt es ein beispiel für cuisine mit dem wert coffee_shop. kann mir einer sagen was ihr unter dem begriff coffee_shop verstehen würdet. solche geschäfte wie [2]. zurück auf meine frage nach den bauern- / hofcafes würde ich dann

Re: [Talk-de] Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-14 Per discussione fly
Am 14.07.2010 10:20, schrieb Tobias Knerr: Am 14.07.2010 09:41, schrieb Marcus Wolschon: Er hat auch die network-Relation aller Bundesstraßen (id 31495) gelöscht. Welchen Zweck erfüllt eine solche Relation eigentlich? man kann per (X)API relativ schnell eine Liste aller Bundesstraßen

Re: [Talk-de] Gummiabloesung beim Garmin (was: Re: Garmin eTrex Vista HCx sehr langsam seit Firmware 3.10?)

2010-07-14 Per discussione Martin Simon
Am 14. Juli 2010 13:58 schrieb Steffen Wolf s...@gmx.de: Ah, interessant. Ich hab die Abloesung auf die aktuelle Hitzewelle geschoben. Hatte schon ueberlegt, mal selbst Hand anzulegen. Hat damit jemand Erfahrungen? Ich habe ein etrex vista hcx, gekauft im Mai 2008. Im Sommer 2008 ging das

Re: [Talk-de] Gummiabloesung beim Garmin (was: Re: Garmin eTrex Vista HCx sehr langsam seit Firmware 3.10?)

2010-07-14 Per discussione Christian Frhr. v. Rotenhan
Selber reparieren!! GARMIN bekommt das Problem seit Jahre nicht in den Griff!! brauchbare Tipps gibt es hier: http://www.gps-tour.info/forum/read.php?f=4i=9821t=2572 Am 14.07.2010 um 13:58 schrieb Steffen Wolf: Benjamin Lebsanft schrieb: On Mo, 2010-07-12 at 00:57 -0700, NopMap wrote:

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