Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Checking if I understand correctly...

2010-10-05 Per discussione Ed Avis
andrzej zaborowski balr...@... writes: To answer Steve's question: yes, neither CC-By-SA nor ODbL nor CC-By-SA and ODbL dual-license are compatible with the current contributor terms. Or, in other words, OSM itself is not compatible with them. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Checking if I understand correctly...

2010-10-05 Per discussione Ed Avis
point of principle, is open to debate. But it's certainly the case. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and MapQuest [was Hurricane hits MapQuest]

2010-10-05 Per discussione Ed Avis
Shaun McDonald shaun at shaunmcdonald.me.uk writes: For example according to Nominatim Surrey covers most of London http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=559111 Is there a reason why Nominatim doesn't use the administrative county boundaries? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

[OSM-talk] Nominatim (was ...MapQuest)

2010-10-05 Per discussione Ed Avis
in the osm data that it doesn't use? Perhaps I misunderstood what you wrote. I thought you meant that Nominatim when searching for 'Surrey' will use the rough polygon for place=county rather than the boundary of Surrey administrative county. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim (was ...MapQuest)

2010-10-05 Per discussione Ed Avis
Shaun McDonald shaun at shaunmcdonald.me.uk writes: Yep, there is no polygon for the boundary of Surrey that I'm aware of, There are certainly bits and pieces, for example way 32900389. But most likely they don't form a single polygon. What is needed to make it work? -- Ed Avis e

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple OSM instances

2010-10-05 Per discussione Ed Avis
think it inevitable that ODbL+CT will be imposed in their current proposed form by the OSMF. What 80n wrote is correct, but it's not quite as bleak as it sounds. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Voluntary re-licansing and CT 1.1

2010-10-04 Per discussione Ed Avis
Perhaps there should be a meta-contributor-terms where you agree to accept future contributor terms proposed by the OSMF. Then there wouldn't be the need to re-ask everybody each time the contributor terms change. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and MapQuest [was Hurricane hits MapQuest]

2010-10-04 Per discussione Ed Avis
, especially in countries with no additional sources of data besides individual mappers. So we need to find a way to prioritize our efforts on the 80% most useful part of the map. Some search statistics would provide a way to do that. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and sou rce = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-03 Per discussione Ed Avis
of that.) Let's leave Kosovo, etc. out of the discussion. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-10-02 Per discussione Ed Avis
prefer the ODbL but are unable to agree to the CTs since they don't own all the data they have contributed. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Per discussione Ed Avis
, and because of some helpful licence changes by the FSF, there was no loss of data. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp;amp; the new license

2010-10-01 Per discussione Ed Avis
Markus_g marku...@... writes: What was the original vote deciding? The vote, of OSMF members only, was on 'I approve the process' or 'I do not approve the process'. (Those were the two choices in the vote.) -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal

Re: [OSM-talk] Countries that have NOT had any imports?

2010-10-01 Per discussione Ed Avis
Have there been any data imports in Northern Ireland? It's not included in the Ordnance Survey OpenData release (there is a separate Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland), nor in the NaPTAN public transport database. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Usage of ODbL

2010-09-30 Per discussione Ed Avis
could not do likewise. Without extra permission, we could not incorporate ODbL data into our map, even if it had been derived from OSM in the first place. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Usage of ODbL

2010-09-30 Per discussione Ed Avis
difficulty seems to be 'grant extra powers to the OSMF that ordinary contributors don't have'. Sigh... -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Usage of ODbL

2010-09-30 Per discussione Ed Avis
Out of interest has anyone asked the Open Data Commons people (or person) for their opinion on the proposed contributor terms? I know the ODbL licence was developed jointly with them but I imagine the CTs were not. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp;amp; the new license

2010-09-29 Per discussione Ed Avis
. Some people want to import data, some don't. Both groups need to be supported. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Usage of ODbL

2010-09-29 Per discussione Ed Avis
be able to import or use any data from these ODbL-covered data releases? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding the full name of a business

2010-09-29 Per discussione Ed Avis
contributors have marked their own house with a note tag!). A medical practice is somewhere between the two. I guess if it is listed in the phone directory's business section under a particular name, then that name can go in OSM. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Hurricane hits MapQuest

2010-09-29 Per discussione Ed Avis
It's great to see the new Mapquest sites up and running. Is there anything that we the OSM mappers can do to improve them? In other words are there any particular wishes from the Mapquest people about how the data can be improved? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding the full name of a business

2010-09-29 Per discussione Ed Avis
) but of social norms about what details are public and what a map might be expected to show. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp;amp;amp; the new license

2010-09-29 Per discussione Ed Avis
. Are you saying that any argument based on data imports is irrelevant to the choice of licence? What, then, would be an admissible reason for not using licence, in your view? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t

Re: [Talk-GB] Hunt the London allotments - with wiki page

2010-09-27 Per discussione Ed Avis
Tom Chance t...@... writes: If you have the time, it would be good to have buttons to say: * this allotment doesn't exist on the ground * our name is correct Also, survey required (about 60% of missing allotments can be traced from Yahoo photos). -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-24 Per discussione Ed Avis
in the current terms and conditions, but I would welcome any corrections. However, where ambiguity exists, it might be wise to take the more conservative interpretation. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp;amp; the new license

2010-09-24 Per discussione Ed Avis
believe that we have the ability to grant that right to the OSMF for the Ordnance Survey data. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Can someone summarise arguments for/ag ainst clause 2 of CTs?

2010-09-23 Per discussione Ed Avis
relicensings possible. The argument against is the same: that it grants too much power to the OSMF, even if subject to a vote of 'active' contributors. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-21 Per discussione Ed Avis
through. Agreed. And when mapping I tag barrier=gate if there is a gate. However, if you were writing a routing program, it would be unwise to assume that you can drive through a barrier=gate if no additional access is specified. Often a gate is locked shut. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [Talk-GB] OS Locator data update

2010-09-19 Per discussione Ed Avis
for their correction. Did this happen? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-17 Per discussione Ed Avis
, BTW - I'm not bothered about attribution and I disagree with the ODbL for other reasons.) -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [Talk-GB] OS Opendata amp; the new license/CT

2010-09-16 Per discussione Ed Avis
tracking the origin of data is great, but much better to do it at a per-changeset level rather than with duplicate tags on every single object.) -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Datastore musical allotments

2010-09-15 Per discussione Ed Avis
. An alternative would be to maintain a cleaned-up data set, perhaps as a table on the OSM wiki, where errors can be noted. Then we can report them to the London datastore people as a big batch. The musical allotments page could even fetch the wiki page and turn the HTML table back into CSV data for use. -- Ed

Re: [Talk-GB] Datastore musical allotments

2010-09-15 Per discussione Ed Avis
for the thirteen private allotments in Ealing. Tag it in OSM by all means, but don't assume that because an allotment is located in a particular borough it must be operated by that borough council. As you say, there are private allotments, and there are also ones managed by charities. -- Ed Avis e

Re: [Talk-GB] Datastore musical allotments

2010-09-14 Per discussione Ed Avis
Robert Scott li...@... writes: Musical allotments now ignores allotment(s). Thanks. There are some odd cases where the local authority's name ends in '(streetmap)'. Could that also be ignored? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing

Re: [Talk-GB] Datastore musical allotments

2010-09-14 Per discussione Ed Avis
to be some kind of 'a:not:ment' for indicating that no allotment exists at this point at all. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Datastore musical allotments

2010-09-14 Per discussione Ed Avis
entries be stripped out before doing the rec? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Datastore musical allotments

2010-09-14 Per discussione Ed Avis
Ed Avis e...@... writes: There are some odd cases where the local authority's name ends in '(streetmap)'. Could that also be ignored? In fact any parenthesized stuff could be stripped, for example 'Gladstone Park Gardens (off Broadfield Close)' in the GLA list becomes just 'Gladstone Park

Re: [Talk-GB] Datastore musical allotments

2010-09-13 Per discussione Ed Avis
the check take account of that? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] OS Opendata amp;amp;amp; the new license/CT

2010-09-09 Per discussione Ed Avis
the Ordnance Survey OpenData maps and data sets? If so, mappers who are in favour of the new CTs could simply sign up now and leave somebody else to worry about the legal nitpicking. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Google MapMaker and OSM data...

2010-09-08 Per discussione Ed Avis
this turns out and what Google's response is. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

[OSM-talk] Pedestrian areas and surrounding roads (was: Church building rendering bug)

2010-09-08 Per discussione Ed Avis
' will be needed to join the two together. For this reason I normally map pedestrian areas contiguous to the ways that bound them, provided you can walk between the area and the way at any point along its length. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk

Re: [Talk-GB] OS Opendata amp; the new license/CT

2010-09-08 Per discussione Ed Avis
. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] OS Opendata amp;amp; the new license/CT

2010-09-08 Per discussione Ed Avis
Ed Avis e...@... writes: See section 1 of the CTs: 'You agree to only add Contents for which You are the copyright holder'. I should have quoted a bit more: 'If You are not the copyright holder of the Contents, You represent and warrant that You have explicit permission from the rights holder

Re: [OSM-talk] layers in OSM?

2010-09-06 Per discussione Ed Avis
don't think it currently supports 'except' or 'not' queries. (According to the page below) [[http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xapi]] -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-04 Per discussione Ed Avis
wiki pages (!). -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com) ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-09-02 Per discussione Ed Avis
clear that the new plan was to impose the change unilaterally. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Would The ODbL and BY-SA Clash In A Database Extracted From a BY-SA Produced Work?

2010-09-02 Per discussione Ed Avis
share-alike. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2%

2010-08-23 Per discussione Ed Avis
(which is, um, absolutely essential, since the current licence is totally unworkable, as proved by the success of the project over the past six years) is considered to outweigh the benefit of using the Ordnance Survey data. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2%

2010-08-23 Per discussione Ed Avis
of the OSMF, nobody would be crazy enough to throw out all the Ordnance Survey data (after so many lobbied to open it up) in order to indulge some amateur-lawyering pedantry. It's just not going to happen. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB

Re: [OSM-talk] Unnamed Streets

2010-08-20 Per discussione Ed Avis
. In city areas, where almost every street is named, you might add a note tag explaining why this one isn't. Conventionally, roads tagged as highway=service don't show up on noname checks, so it is not necessary to tag noname=yes on each of them. For service roads being named is the exception. -- Ed

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-18 Per discussione Ed Avis
, in the end, considered unprotected and freely usable for adding to a non-CC-BY-SA data set, then most of the map data would be also, by the same argument. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-18 Per discussione Ed Avis
We haven't had any problems before the controversy over licences, and I expect that once these troubles are resolved one way or another, there won't be further eruptions. So I'd suggest not setting up any elaborate moderation mechanism until it is proved to be necessary. -- Ed Avis e

Re: [Talk-GB] Vacant, abandoned, ruined and damaged b uildings and buidings under construction

2010-08-12 Per discussione Ed Avis
the building and not just the plot of land it stands in. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Reporting Errors to OS - Feedback

2010-08-12 Per discussione Ed Avis
not sure if that's the right thing to do anymore - once it gets fixed in OS, shouldn't we be taking down the error from the Catalog? When there's a new release of the affected product(s) and we start using it, yes. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Per discussione Ed Avis
Now that we have identifiable changesets, the advice to create a separate user account is no longer as essential as it once was. I would suggest using your existing user account and doing the upload as one or more clearly marked changesets. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Per discussione Ed Avis
and ODbL only causes 'more work and more problems'. We'd much prefer them to stop doing it! As you say, I don't think either side is setting out deliberately to damage the project. Although that will surely be the result if some compromise is not reached. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-10 Per discussione Ed Avis
country to decide on its own copyright and other 'intellectual property' laws, and we should not try to export more-strict regulations from one country to another. The CC licences are carefully written to avoid doing this. The ODbL, sadly, seems to take the opposite approach. -- Ed Avis e

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Per discussione Ed Avis
be happy to help. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [Talk-GB] Bristol - a quick (and surprising?) statistic...

2010-08-08 Per discussione Ed Avis
in this country - then it can be said to exist. Unless there is evidence to the contrary such as a street sign saying something different. (*) definitive, serving to define or specify precisely (M-W) -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-06 Per discussione Ed Avis
data, etc etc? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-GB] Post box for franked mail only

2010-08-06 Per discussione Ed Avis
David Groom revi...@... writes: Our local delivery office has a post box which can only be used for franked mail. I use mailtype=franked. Tagwatch shows a few variants of this: http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Great_britain/En/tags.html (search for 'franked') -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [Talk-GB] Motorway junction naming

2010-08-06 Per discussione Ed Avis
this be simplified in some way? Uh, yeah, I'd suggest that the short name appearing on motorway road signs be tagged as 'name', and if the other stuff really is a name for this junction, it go in as alt_name. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData Viewer

2010-08-06 Per discussione Ed Avis
but nowhere else, which makes the map look a bit odd.) -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Bristol - a quick (and surprising?) statistic...

2010-08-03 Per discussione Ed Avis
having a name sign is the exception not the rule. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Per discussione Ed Avis
', 'part two' etc, but that doesn't seem a bad thing. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Per discussione Ed Avis
and explain why the new version is correct, otherwise we could get into edit wars, which would waste a lot more time than writing a changeset comment. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Per discussione Ed Avis
a lot less time than posting messages on this list. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Per discussione Ed Avis
or something equally Byzantine on every single object, but nobody is pedantic enough to do that. So a short note in plain English on the changeset helps.) -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Per discussione Ed Avis
indicates this road joins the other one to its west, and the aerial photo shows at least a gap between buildings, so I'll assume it does. But that long message is the exception. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Timeout uploading GPX traces

2010-07-31 Per discussione Ed Avis
Dave F. davefox at madasafish.com writes: I use Firefox 3.7 on Windows, Are you sure? You're right - it's 3.6.3. I have seen the same problem with other Firefox versions and with Google Chrome, however. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Per discussione Ed Avis
didn't make any mistakes that may have mislead people about the changes I'd made. Agreed. I think the comment should say 'why' not 'what', and if the change is derived from something other than ground survey, cite the source used. It shouldn't take more than a few seconds. -- Ed Avis e

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Per discussione Ed Avis
whether his or her data, in turn, is better quality than what's on the map. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Per discussione Ed Avis
- so both whether to make a change and what change to make are decided by human judgement.) But still, you're right it is probably worth mentioning keepright - it is another kind of 'why' - so I'll do that in future. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

[OSM-talk] Timeout uploading GPX traces

2010-07-30 Per discussione Ed Avis
When a GPX trace file is larger than 100 kilobytes or so, the uploader web page times out in the browser and the file isn't uploaded. I've got a backlog of several long GPX traces to upload - is there some other way to do it? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Timeout uploading GPX traces

2010-07-30 Per discussione Ed Avis
the page was loading.' I also tried using Chrome, with similar results (it gets stuck at 35% complete, then times out with 'Error 101 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_RESET): Unknown error.'). I can upload large files to other sites (for example, photographs to Flickr) without too much trouble. -- Ed Avis e

Re: [OSM-talk] Timeout uploading GPX traces

2010-07-30 Per discussione Ed Avis
, that did the trick. The file has now uploaded as http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ed%20Avis/traces/776516. However, in the list of my GPX traces http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ed%20Avis/traces it still shows as 'PENDING'. Perhaps it's just slow to update? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Timeout uploading GPX traces

2010-07-30 Per discussione Ed Avis
address of 192.168.1.11. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-23 Per discussione Ed Avis
and see at which point the various sources were added, and what other changes were made at the same time. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Bristol - a quick (and surprising?) statistic...

2010-07-23 Per discussione Ed Avis
filling in some of those 37% tonight. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Bristol - a quick (and surprising?) statistic...

2010-07-23 Per discussione Ed Avis
good indication that OSM is not complete, whatever definition you use. In other words, checking against the OS data cannot prove that OSM is complete, but it can certainly show that it is not. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-23 Per discussione Ed Avis
the OS data continue to be used. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] �CorrectingÃ¢ï ¿½ï¿½ existing data with OS Opendata

2010-07-23 Per discussione Ed Avis
data is a better guide to what's actually on the ground than the existing OSM data. I think we are all in agreement on the main point, though, which is that if the two sets of data conflict then additional evidence (such as another new ground survey) is needed to decide which is correct. -- Ed Avis

Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers

2010-07-22 Per discussione Ed Avis
it would be great to call it something other than mapnik. I guess the 'default OSM style' needs its own catchy name. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] renaming rendering layers

2010-07-21 Per discussione Ed Avis
Cloudmade's site, which has dozens of different styles to pick, makes no attempt to give them descriptions beyond a poetic hint at how a style might look. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Talk-GB] �Correcting� existi ng data with OS Opendata

2010-07-21 Per discussione Ed Avis
accurate. So I do agree that OS should not normally be used to 'correct' existing data unless there is additional verification such as a ground survey. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discu ssion more inclusive?

2010-07-20 Per discussione Ed Avis
the need for all the fuss? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-GB] �Correcting� existi ng data with OS Opendata

2010-07-20 Per discussione Ed Avis
hobby for people who like to walk around with GPS units is only a side-effect. Anything which helps us complete or improve the map is to be welcomed. (Personally, I have found the OS data provides plenty of motivation to resurvey areas which I had previously considered complete.) -- Ed Avis e

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discu ssion more inclusive?

2010-07-19 Per discussione Ed Avis
worried that we're going to burn the guys on the LWG out. They must feel like they're in some kafka-esque dialogue with no upside for them. I do think that's rather the situation here. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk

[OSM-talk] Why are some companies in favour of PD? (was: ...licences discussion more inclusive)

2010-07-19 Per discussione Ed Avis
idea of what they can get away with) think twice before appropriating OSM data, what is the evidence for the claim that the current licence is broken? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - handling already-tagged fixmes

2010-07-15 Per discussione Ed Avis
OK, I will change my way of working for this task. The name tag will hold the most likely name based on currently available information, even if it needs a resurvey to be certain. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - handling already-tagged fixmes

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ed Avis
comparison tiles. Would other people also find this useful? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - handling already-tagged fixmes

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ed Avis
quality, and if you had to pick one or the other, I'd go with OS by default unless it's specifically tagged that OS is wrong. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - handling already-tagged fixmes

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ed Avis
data sets.) -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - handling already-tagged fixmes

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ed Avis
. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - handling already-tagged fixmes

2010-07-14 Per discussione Ed Avis
have resurveyed or otherwise checked so far. If OS were infallible there would be no need to mark things for rechecking - we could simply blast out all the conflicting names from OSM and use OS ones instead. This is not the case. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [Talk-GB] Strange Search Result in Devon or should that be Kelland Cross?

2010-07-06 Per discussione Ed Avis
, but I'll leave it to others to retag if necessary. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Strange Search Result in Devon or should that be Kelland Cross?

2010-07-06 Per discussione Ed Avis
Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@... writes: Well, the bit _I'm_ wondering about is 'Devon County'!! Should now be fixed: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5148177 I expect it'll take some time for Nominatim to pick up the new data. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [Talk-GB] Comparing OS data

2010-07-06 Per discussione Ed Avis
Chris Hill o...@... writes: http://oscompare.raggedred.net This appears to be down at the moment, could you have a look? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-GB] Strange Search Result in Devon or should that be Kelland Cross?

2010-07-06 Per discussione Ed Avis
the intersection is the right thing. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [OSM-talk] Area-type objects and ways along its boundaries

2010-07-05 Per discussione Ed Avis
line that criss-crosses it, which can be confusing. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths and footways

2010-07-01 Per discussione Ed Avis
. There could be surfaced footways on a military base, for example, which nobody but authorized personnel may use; but still they would be highway=footway, with other tags indicating access. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB

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