hington has a
name:de=Washington then you positively know that this is the name used
in Germany, whereas if it doesn't have a name:de tag it might just be
"not yet mapped".
Fat chance with name:de ;)
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a look and do this right.
It is a bit of a conundrum in OSM - we usually say that local knowledge
tops everything, but then again for many of the languages there might
not even *be* a local Washington mapper in OSM ;)
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le can live with. You're welcome to
continue this discussion and if the community should come to a general
agreement about how to tag tourist attractions with no access then I'm
happy to see this changed.
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I've made the change on OSM and informed the complainant.
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show this".
I have been unable to find an online resource to corroborate this claim.
Googling for "plat books" turned up some very pretty scans of 1800's
surveyor records ;) Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in the US public
records landscape can help?
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citly) being mapped; mapping the
> property line is the way that it is achieved.
I am wary of this line of reasoning because it will in many cases lead
to doing exactly what I write above, making a low-quality copy of
authoritative data that is kept elsewhere.
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e fact that there is an old bunker at
that location. This knowledge, too, can be useful for navigation or
maybe even in an emergency. But tourism=*, I'd shy away from.
And @Mateusz, I am not convinced that "there are great views from here"
is sufficient for tourism=viewpoint because
tion" or perhaps even "attraction" status, is not
what I would call a viewpoint. And even a tourist attraction, I think,
should not be something that is illegal to visit.
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While it is undeniably a de-facto tourist attraction, and undeniably
offers great views, I think it should probably be changed to
historic=ruins, access=no, and the tracks leading up to it should also
be changed to access=no.
Opinions?
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an for pointing me to the
contact, don't know why I missed that.
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different camp
site in Utah, Monte Cristo Campground, and I've removed it from there.
Doesn't solve the Eagles Campground riddle though.)
Mapcarta doesn't have any point of contact on the site and the whois
doesn't return anything useful either.
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left, and craigslist right;
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/66467286 is the deletion
changeset).
It would certainly be beneficial to both us and Craigslist if they could
update. Maybe there's someone here who has contacts and could prod them.
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gal purposes.
I didn't even want to weigh in on the discussion, mine was more a
comment on process. You shouldn't delete something that has been there
for 10 years and then say "btw let's discuss" ;)
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hould actually be removed.
It is clear that there is a need for discussion, and I feel that such a
discussion should take place *before* a change is made and not *after*.
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has someone switched on moderation for this list, and if so, why? I sent
a message 6 hours ago and re-sent it one hour ago and neither seem to
have gone through. Have I overlooked an announcement? Or is it just broken?
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Hi,
DWG has received a report from a hiker about a mistake on OSM regarding
the "South Rim Trail" / "Boot Spring Trail" at Big Bend in Texas. Is
anyone familiar with the area and willing to attempt a fix if I forward
details?
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merica) which means that those bits of
the USA that lie outside North America will not be included. This mainly
affects Puerto Rico. I'll be making a standalone Puerto Rico file
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k-in patients
> * often have extended hours, including 24/7
Is this "usually named ..." really a thing - I have a feeling that
especially with dentists, even (what seems to me like) one-doctor
practices will often be called some thing like "Bay Area Smiles Family
Dentist" or
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is "open to
the public" and "has amenities" sounds very far-fetched to me.
Also, mapping micro-protected areas on a rocky shore seems to be of
limited value to me and puts a big burden on anyone who wants to verify
that.
But I'd like
terRemedy.
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same way the import or automated edit rules have, but I hope that
awareness about this is growing, and everyday hobbyist mappers will
start pointing out these rules to organiesed editors they encounter.
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ound that many of the objects are bang in the middle of roads.
Which means at the very least that their location has not been visually
inspected by the uploader.
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than he did following the trail.
The message has some details. I wonder if there's anyone near the area,
or with knowledge of it, or contacts with knowledge, who would be
willing and able to look into this?
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Hi,
DWG have received a rather detailed report about some potential
mis-naming (or missing names) of streets in Rockford IL but I think this
would be best handled by a local. Any volunteers I could forward the
issue to?
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ed to report, and (b) resident-only gates?
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(which I would recommend not to do), then you need to provide a
mechanism for individual mappers to ask the bot to keep its hands off
something ("matkoniecz:bot=no" or so).
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if at all? I've
looked around a bit and found some roads marked "ref=FS" but
these were few and far between.
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Thank you all for the helpful discussion. I have now split California in
a northern and southern part along the recommended counties. Let's see
how long it takes until the parts grow too big again!
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13:58, Tod Fitch wrote:
> In any case, I assume a good description of the extract boundaries will
> be provided
Heh, I had hoped that by asking here, I'll be able to find a
self-explaining split where everyone knows immediately from the name
what's in it. Apparently not so easy ;)
B
While I don't *like* overlapping areas, it would be *possible* to have
them if it matches what people expect to find. I could do
SoCal+NorCal+Bay Area, or the 6 Californias plus Bay Area, or whatever.
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s?
2. is there a demand for this?
3. what would be a sensible way to split California - in 58 counties, or
maybe just go with SoCal and NorCal for now?
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s quite efficient at filtering, the
risk of running into performance issues should be limited.
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build something that prioritizes things for review. But trying to build
some kind of "protection" into the data ingestion at OSM would
* impact performance negatively
* disenfranchise mappers
* bind resources for the constant maintenance
Hi,
On 30.08.2018 22:43, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> We can only speculate about the motives here
Ah, just a security researcher, I guess this makes it ok then?
https://reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/9brqx4/this_is_medwedianpresident1_talking_what_i_did/
> frankly my money is on
> &
mething that can be discussed, but it's not something we should do on
a whim, and certainly not to please unspecified and scared "Powers That
Be". Perhaps educating our users about the strengths and weaknesses of
crowd-sourcing is another option.
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u have a persistent vandal that needs to be blocked from
making further edits.
The edits you highlighted have been reverted by user Carnildo a couple
hours ago.
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still there, only 29,513 have
tags other than building=*. In most cases, these other tags are
addr:street and addr:housenumber.
I'll let this rest for a bit to give others a chance to chime in.
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fair enough (perhaps agree here on the list who's doing it though, so
that we don't have 10 people spamming him...)
I have prepared a file that contains all the buildings in question:
http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/annapolis.osm.gz
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are somehow magically going to make it right. This is a
deeply disrespectful attitude towards all those who are already spending
lots of time building OSM.
And if the occasional threat of reverting the whole lot is required to
nudge the people managing such projects towards more diligence then
th
Hi,
On 25.07.2018 12:33, Bryan Housel wrote:
> Do you live in Austin, TX?
> If not, why do you care whether the students want to map sidewalks there?
What does this have to do with my nationality?
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ct=OpenSidewalks" which
makes it easier to delete them once the project has run out...
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ussion or just one guy with a big mouth and two of his pals
applauding ;)
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[*] minus things like the EU data protection regulations forcing us to
remove someone who wants to be forgotten - but they will live on in my
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nt.
Not assigning blame to anyone here; just trying to help humans
understand other humans.
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advertising.
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ms is their core business, that's what they do with Google &
Co.; and even if we found some way to keep more advertising from
entering OSM, there's several thousand advertising POIs in OSM in the US
alone and they won't magically go away. So let's roll up our sleev
ed
answering serivice".
The list I posted does contain a number of businesses that sound a bit
shady - if not outright scams, then at least preying on those in
difficult situations. Loan sharks, lawyers with dubious offers, people
who claim to buy homes for cash and the like. Sometimes it's h
help.
There's certainly things that can be done policy-wise, establishing
rules that can then be communicated to those willing to play by them;
the upcoming directed editing policy will be helpful in outlining
acceptable behaviour for groups who wish to contribute business
information. But that
h the columns:
date_last_edited,object,created_by,last_edited_by,name,description
If you're in the mood, grab a few and kick out the most outrageous
abuses of OSM. And maybe we can establish ways to make this a habit in
the project. Ideas welcome!
I wanted to include the list here but that woul
s here, would it be too much to
ask to specify the correct addresses for each instead of relying on
community members to repair the data post-import?
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to do, the JOSM "utilsplugin2"
function "replace geometry" might be useful; it would try to keep the
existing objects in OSM and just refine their geometry, rather than
deleting and re-creating stuff.
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mapping yourself before embarking on a grand import
project; that way you'll get a better idea of working with the data as a
mapper, of what makes sense and what doesn't. Of just how precise you'd
like a building footprint to be when you edit it by hand later, and so on.
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nd applying it to contibutions made by others. This sort of
"cleanup" benefits few but your personal sense of orderliness, and your
time is better spent actually improving data instead of just fiddling
with how the same data is represented in the database.
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f the three
areas have more in common than being farmland; for example if the three
areas together share a local name or so.)
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abase from repeated
extraction even if the individual extracted bits are not copyrighted.
This concept doesn't exist in the US to my knowledge, but someone using
such a database in, for example, the EU, could be sued by the database
owner. That's why OSM must avoid adding location data that
ssion about it over on the talk list, here:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2017-October/079116.html
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e any systematic (or even sporadic) effort of cleaning up these
old imports? Is there reason to believe that the neglect extends to more
than just the tags - do geometry and topology usually work well on
these, or are the funny tags a huge "this whole area hasn't had any love
in a long time&q
the name has meanwhile been changed again,
or where the object has been deleted; these redactions will be of little
consequence.
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ogram",
none of which I remember doing. It's totally possible that I simply
forgot though.
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The proposal certainly needs fleshing out. Personally I think the use of
the "highway" tag is questionable since there will be many applications
out there that treat any linear feature with highway=* as s
Hi,
On 07.09.2017 16:51, Max Erickson wrote:
> Broadly speaking, yes, such continuity should apply. Maybe not using
> exactly the same rule as the US DOT.
I know this is talk-us and I won't attempt to say anything USA specific
but such continuity definitely does not apply world-wide in OSM (there
rts you run also have? The wiki page
for Corpus Christy says "QA: Validation: Use of validation tools in the
Tasking Manager process", but I assume that just refers to usual
automatic checks done by JOSM, not a second person inspecting the result?
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and a few more weeks won't kill us. We can sort this out
calmly and then do the right thing.
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in about
MapRoulette?
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that would end up not having a name will probably show up in
enough QA tools already, no?
I'll do a count of how many names would revert and how many would be
removed altogether. Maybe it is indeed best to simply ditch them all.
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s is not nice but I don't see how it could
be avoided.
Here's a list of way IDs affected, with country and state:
http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/chdr.details
I am trying to keep the damage to OSM to a minimum while at the same
time respecting copyrig
* a gap between
neihgbouring admin_level 4 areas!) would be assumed to be governed by
that admin_level 3 body.
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l) but other kinds of "hole"
> tagging without multipolygons.
If you mean not only "without multipolygons" but "without boundary
relations" too then I think you should stop right here and leave it to
people who can work with relations.
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http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49381249 ?
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->%s"', $1, $2, $t->{$1};
}
else
{
print ",$_";
}
}
print "\n";
}
--- cut ---
And you'll end up with something like my "one trick ponies" CSV posted
in the other thread.
This is all super hacky of course, suffers from lack of proper escaping
and XML parsing, and could all be done properly in a more modern
language. But if this encourages one or two people to play a bit then
maybe it was already useful.
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Hi,
On 05.07.2017 23:05, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> I've done some numbers, maybe it helps.
The CSVs I uploaded were a bit difficult to process because of lack of
escaping. I've made a new one here
http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/one-trick-ponies.csv
To recap, this file contains a
e URL) - do you think we should
revert them all automatically? (Keep in mind many may have been reverted
already - we'd only work on those where the spam version is still current.)
and
http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/other.csv
for those where the username is not (fully) in the URL.
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seriously
doubt that the freedom to sign up and import data without consultation
is what the community wants us to uphold.
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wnloading a changeset planet and feeding all changeset
comments to some sort of Bayes filter could help identify more problems.
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(*) Where I live this term would be considered really offensive towards
those who do this kind of work but it seems to be the normal term in the US?
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mapped in 2 weeks so maybe they're on holiday.
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ll also ask the property developer if they have better information but
of course nothing beats a field survey.
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for details.
(I chuckled when I read that message which begins with a complaint about
the mailing lists.)
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by
people who are not at all local to the area just to "colour it green".
This is undesirable in my opinion.
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worth keeping at all.
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ation-interval" then you will only deal with one diff file
that has all the changes.
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don't speak
English. But working on presets and tag translations and maybe even
styling tools that abstract from tags will help to include not only
English-speaking technically-interested women, but also everyone who
doesn't speak English and everyone who doesn't deal with databases a
ot;). Then we and/or
local mappers could investigate the differences and make adjustments
where deemed sensible.
And while our ODbL licensed data is probably not suitable for direct
back-import into the state highway department's database, they might
actually find such a comparison useful as well -
follow the coastline, and in the course of that,
a bit of the state boundary was lost.
Lack of local knowledge kept me from dabbling in city and county
boundaries in that corner so some of those might still be incomplete.
Perhaps someone can have a look.
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Hi,
I added the takeaway from this discussion to the wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Aboundary%3Dnational_park&type=revision&diff=1424102&oldid=1373291
Feel free to amend as necessary.
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since 1946..."
but we have
boundary=national_park
delivery=no
hgv=no
leisure=park
Is our definition of national park different than Wikipedia's, or should
one of the two be changed?
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Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N
Hi,
On 01/23/2017 11:13 PM, Michael Corey wrote:
> Does anyone have thoughts on how to do this most efficiently and without
> causing major headaches?
I wouldn't bother, it's going to be replaced by a wall soon anyway!
SCNR
Frederik
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Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@rem
Hi,
On 01/05/2017 11:28 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> We have rules
> about automatic/mechanical edits that say that any edit where the person
> making the edit doesn't actually look at the concrete object they're
> editing needs to be discussed and approved in advance.
O
know that so
the best thing is to make contact via a changeset discussion and find
out what happened and what the user was doing/thinking. If necessary,
the edit can then be reverted.
Bye
Frederik
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Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"
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ki/Key:healthcare)
but somethink like "fast, friendly, convenient" or "small enough for X
yet large enough for Y" is not something that can be put in OSM.
Best
Frederik
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Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"
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ata ("what, only registered and
trained members of the Springfield City Tree Board can be trusted with
assessing the tree cover, keep out you unwashed public" etc).
Bye
Frederik
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Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"
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ultimately
slow things down even further instead of helping. But this has
absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand; as I said, I've made
the very same recommendation for the very same reasons in other countrie
s.
Bye
Frederik
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Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°
cally fixing that is like a car salesperson fixing a leak with
bubble gum because it looks better and they can't be bothered to fix it
properly.
Bye
Frederik
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Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"
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a bit aged. When a local mapper touches up the area they
will likely also update other things than just the closed-down shop, and
then the map will be current again. Automatically editing away something
country-wide hides the fact that the map lacks attention in an area.
Bye
Frederik
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Frederik R
bout?
I linked some in my post to the tagging list. Some of the
failed/single-minded projects in the past didn't even bother documenting
their tags on the wiki, insofar this project is superior - and it's
totally ok for them to start a discussion. Just not an import one week
after ment
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