Re: [Talk-us] Cycleway Crossings

Yeah, I think the defaults in iD are most likely what's causing this tagging. I've seen a lot of it in my area as well. Harald (hobbesvsboyle) On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:36 PM James Umbanhowar wrote: > I think that iD doesn't have a preset for cycleway=crossing so that > editors may think that

Re: [Talk-us] United States Bicycle Route System ballots pending AASHTO approval

Another quick update: Work on the relatively short USBR 230 segment is complete as well. https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10967108 Harald (hobbesvsboyle) On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 6:37 PM stevea wrote: > I just finished entering the last 15% - 20% of USBR 50 in California as a > "first

Re: [Talk-us] United States Bicycle Route System ballots pending AASHTO approval

I'm happy to report that the proposed WI segment of USBR 30 is complete now. My route relation skills are a little rusty, and so it's possible that some of the forward/backward sections may have QC issues, but based on what I saw in JOSM's route editor, things look pretty good. If anybody has the

Re: [Talk-us] United States Bicycle Route System ballots pending AASHTO approval

As Bradley pointed out, Google Street View and Microsoft Streetside both show a "no trespassing" sign. However, Street View imagery is from 2012; Streetside from 2014. So maybe access restrictions have changed since then. I'll check the Slack channel to see if anyone has local knowledge about

Re: [Talk-us] United States Bicycle Route System ballots pending AASHTO approval

Thanks for the update, Steve. I'm user hobbesvsboyle -- anybody who wants to work on this, feel free to reach out by email or OSM message. Thanks to the large on-trail sections of the route, getting this into OSM shouldn't be too difficult. Harald. On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 6:16 PM stevea wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] When is your doctor a clinic?

German native speaker who has lived in the US for a good while and works in health research. Jmapb's definition sounds pretty good to me. I think the "accept walk-ins" may not be a great distinguisher. I can think of several clinics here that don't accept walk-ins, and my small dentist practice

Re: [Talk-us] Railway improvements; stations vs. halts

FWIW, the German wiki page for railway=halt has a section that acknowledges that the German definition and international usage differ: "Outside the German-speaking world, railway=halt is defined as an unimportation railway station that only has the most basic equipment and isn't staffed (in

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed mechanical edit - remove objects that are not existing according to source of GNIS import that added them

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 9:31 AM Martijn van Exel wrote: > The benefit is that it gives mappers a reason to examine places - not just > the disappeared feature itself but also the area around it - that would > otherwise go unexamined. Since we have so much unexamined space in the > U.S., any

Re: [Talk-us] Review named junction nodes

Yeah, this seems to be a PA Turnpike thing. The first Maproulette task I got was this https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/xaK6JK7CzFYTEfkAp_kwtQ https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/345383389 Harald. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:39 PM Martijn van Exel wrote: > I found a case[0] where the name is

Re: [Talk-us] OSM map use w/o attribution at US News & World Report

Yeah, same for me: https://i.imgur.com/t7VuFDB.png Maybe they fixed it *very* rapidly? Harald. On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:37 AM Levente Juhász wrote: > Maybe I am missing something here but when I checked the link you provided > I can see the proper attribution displayed in the Leaflet map.

Re: [Talk-us] Gravel roads and surface tags in the US

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:10 PM Rihards wrote: > While possibly correct for western Europe, more eastwards that is not > correct. A lot of compacted roads. By distance, probably more than paved. > Pure gravel usually is reserved for smaller segments where very low > travel

Re: [Talk-us] Gravel roads and surface tags in the US

I think compacted is definitely the best way to tag, but I agree with Toby's point that common terms conflicting with OSM terminology is going to lead to lots of errors. Looking at my own edits, I have mistakenly used surface=gravel quite frequently. Not really sure what to do -- a "did you really

Re: [Talk-us] Potential vandalism or very misguided edits near Madison

I am local, and yes, there is no good reason/explanation for those deletions. Looks like a clear case for a revert. I'm not confident enough in my revert abilities, though. Harald, Madison (WI) On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:09 PM Simon Poole wrote: > See at least the last 5 or so

Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle infrastructure

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 4:23 PM Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Shoulder information is good, especially on rural roads. A simple > shoulder=yes/no suffices. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shoulder Yes to adding shoulder info! You may be talking specifically about

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Dear Zoe: Thanks for doing the study -- I saw it posted earlier in OSM Weekly. I look forward to seeing the results, whatever they may be. And I'm quite ashamed (but not surprised) by the open hostility your study is facing on this list and elsewhere. Best, Harald (hobbesvsboyle) On Tue, Sep

Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 6:37 AM Marc Gemis wrote: > Oh , I thought position 2 was where the physical barrier ended. Must > have misinterpreted the image > I had a quick look at the street level imagery ( https://goo.gl/maps/YYRH4eWpnjz or

Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:09 AM Marc Gemis wrote: > I thought the "standard" was to put the exit and entrance nodes at the > place where there is no physical barrier. Continuous white lines > should be mapped with change:lanes and should have no impact on the > position of

Re: [Talk-us] People For Bikes Connectivity Tool

Clifford: I've been in touch with Spencer about updating data in Madison, WI. I'm a longtime OSMer and vice president of a local bike advocacy group, Madison Bikes. In both those capacities I'm really excited about this project. We have a supportive Metropolitan Planning Organization with good

Re: [Talk-us] Key:man_made... Outdated language?

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:28 PM Joshua Houston wrote: > It occurred to me that "man_made" is an outdated term that should be > phased out from OpenStreetMap language. The philosophy of OpenStreetMap is > very inclusive and that should be represented even in the way data

Re: [Talk-us] RRFB Tag

The wiki page seems to suggest that it should be flashing_lights=button instead of having the separate button_operated tag. But I'm not sure if that tagging actually makes more sense than the one you suggested. Harald. On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:40 PM Spencer Gardner

Re: [Talk-us] Combined parking/bike lanes

Bradley, in colder climates the difference is more than aesthetic. A lot of these bike become unusable for people riding bikes in the winter because they don't get fully plowed to the curb and then parked cars take up the whole remainder of the lane. Admittedly, this often also happens where there

Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for dealing with old TIGER tags?

All these discussions are the reason why I almost never touch the highway=* tag and rather add surface=* or other descriptive tags to TIGER roads. There just isn't any consensus and many good reasons for many positions about residential, unclassified, track, etc. Harald. On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at

Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for dealing with old TIGER tags?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 10:52 AM Steve Friedl wrote: > Ø Unless something changed, I think both Potlatch and JOSM will remove > the ‘junk’ tags from TIGER if you delete the reviewed=no > > > > I’ve deleted thousands of tiger:reviewed tags (after proper review) and > have never

Re: [Talk-us] OSM attribution on website store locator pages

Might make more sense to directly contact Mobify as the map provider. I have suspicion Pieology will have no clue what you're talking about and wouldn't be able to fix it themselves anyway. Contact for mobify: http://www.mobify.com/contact/ Harald. On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:10 AM Hans De Kryger

Re: [Talk-us] Gosh ... something about mapping ...

Very useful, Simon. Thanks! Slightly OT: Can anybody explain what R5-5, "No vehicles with lugs" means? I'm assuming it doesn't refer to vehicles like this http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MyBrrEGexIg/TEIogw5nrdI/AFk/Jl7SF5tfQV0/s1600/L9990154.JPG Harald. On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 7:20 AM Simon

Re: [Talk-us] Growing OSM (was OpenStreetMap US elections: October 12 townhall with candidates)

One example I encountered yesterday: A bike friend posted a link to http://gravelmap.com/ on Facebook. It's a website where people collect the unpaved roads that have become increasingly popular in the US cycling community. The GravelMap slippy map is Google Maps, and I'm assuming their data is

Re: [Talk-us] Cycle_greenway

I would map greenways/bike boulevards as lcn=yes or, if they have a name, maybe as a lcn route relation. Other than that, I think it's more important to map physical characteristics such as stop signs, bike-specific infrastructure, diverters, and speed limits on those routes. Harald. On Mon,

Re: [Talk-us] New MapRoulette challenge - fix railway crossings

Did you try clicking the Edit in JOSM button instead of using the keyboard shortcut? For me, when I use the keyboard to get to JOSM, Maproulette skips the task and opens another one in iD and JOSM at the same. When I click the button to load in JOSM instead, all works as expected. Harald. On

Re: [Talk-us] New MapRoulette challenge - fix railway crossings

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:01 PM Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Also, please even if you see the crossing rendered, do go in and check, because I have seen more than once that the crossing node is not a shared node between way and rail. (Hint, use 'j' to join node to way and 'm' to

Re: [Talk-us] New MapRoulette challenge - fix railway crossings

I initially got that message too. But when you re-select the challenge, it will correctly show you the remaining ~19.5k tasks On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 3:57 PM Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Martijn, I just checked and it appears the challenge is complete. Is that true? Less than

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

Richard, I would somewhat caution against penalizing unpaved roads too much. In many areas of the US they actually make wonderful cycling routes, whereas the paved alternatives are high traffic and unpleasant to ride on. Of course, proper smoothness tagging would help but that will be a long way

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

Well, you've certainly motivated me to from now on always modify the tiger:reviewed tag :-) Thanks again for your efforts! On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 2:38 PM Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Harald Kliems wrote: Very nice, Richard! One quick comment: I might not be the only who

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

Very nice, Richard! One quick comment: I might not be the only who doesn't always change the tiger:reviewed tag when fixing TIGER-imported roads. I don't know if that's technically feasible, but maybe it would be better to check if a way has been modified since import, independent of the

Re: [Talk-us] Paved Shoulder Tag for US Highways

Larry, I think it's important to keep shoulders and bike lanes separate because they are governed by different rules. I'm assuming those rules are different state by state, but for example I would think that in many places it is illegal for motor vehicles to pass in a dedicated bike lane, whereas

Re: [Talk-us] Happy weekend - join the #Mapathon!

Madison Maptime Mapathon will begin in 1.5 hours, and it's a beautiful day here! In case there are Madisonians on the list who for some strange reason have missed the event announcment, please do come! http://maptime.io/madison/event/2015/04/12/event/ On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 11:28 AM Serge

Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

In areas with detached houses, the Android app Keypadmapper has worked pretty well for me. Once house numbers get too dense (worst case: Montreal, where each apartment in a duplex or triplex will have it's own house number) it starts getting tricky assigning the number to the correct building. And

Re: [Talk-us] Elevation in local units

Hi Steve: one tag where units are in common use is maxspeed. The default is km/h but you can also use mph or knots. I don't see why this wouldn't be feasible for the ele tag as well. If you look at taginfo, you can also see that ft is used quite a bit -- unfortunately often in an inconsistent

[Talk-us] Weigh stations on Interstates

In continuing mapping destination tag on highways based on Mapillary imagery, I've come across the problem of how to tag weigh stations on Interstate highways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weigh_station). I haven't found anything in the wiki, and I don't know enough how they work to come up with

Re: [Talk-us] Weigh stations on Interstates

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:39 PM Paul Johnson Only place I've known this to be true is California. Everywhere else I've been, it either reverts to a highway parking area (midwest) or a public access scale (northwest) when trucks aren't required to stop, and when trucks are required to stop,

Re: [Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:15 AM Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: or are they dynamic (meaning you can waive your hand in any place along the route and the bus will stop)? In this case I'd not map any bus stops (as there aren't actually spots). Also possible so much as there isn't an

[Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and various user

Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

Thanks for the advice, Steven! On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:13 PM Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com wrote: It's great to see more events like this popping up all over. Is it due to the spring thaw? Or greater community interest? Let's say that they're probably both necessary ingredients to

Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:20 PM Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: The real core question is: will you have newbies or not? I believe we will be more on the newbie side. There was a Maptime meet with an introduction to OSM in November, which generated a couple new contributors who will hopefully

[Talk-us] Destination tagging

I recently captured Mapillary imagery along I-90W between Madison and Wisconsin Dells with the aim of adding destination tags to exits. The example section of the documentation in the wiki [1] only has German signs, which is not that useful. I'm wondering how people handle the highway destinations

Re: [Talk-us] Destination tagging

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:35 AM Jack Burke burke...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see where you're getting the interstate references shouldn't go in the destination tag bit...can you quote the sentence/paragraph on that? Not in the text, but the first and last two examples

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 1:16:55 PM Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem? Mapillary[1] seems to have tremendous potential there. They've recently

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 2:53:44 PM Paul Johnson Could use a bit of work. It appears to be detecting Share the Road signs as Cycleway Slippery When Wet/Icy signs. Feel free to help make it better: http://www.mapillary.com/map/games/traffic Harald.

Re: [Talk-us] The to way does not start or end at a via node.

at 7:41:01 PM Eric H. Christensen e...@christensenplace.us wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 06:30:37PM +, Harald Kliems wrote: I think I figured it out. It's the no-U-turn relations (4286903 and 4286904). Instead of having the same way as from and to, they reference a segment further

Re: [Talk-us] The to way does not start or end at a via node.

I think I figured it out. It's the no-U-turn relations (4286903 and 4286904). Instead of having the same way as from and to, they reference a segment further down the road as their to. Probably that was caused by someone splitting the ways near the intersection. I haven't made any edits, as I

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

I wonder if this isn't something that could be more elegantly solved via wikidata [1]. It looks like population data is not yet routinely included in the entries of cities and towns, but to me this would make a lot of sense. Much easier to maintain than having to regularly do mass mechanical edits

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

Okay, why don't we just ask the creator of the relation? I have added Paul Johnson to the conversation -- he created the first version of the relation and is usually quite active on this list anyway. Paul, what was your intention with adding I5 as a bike route? Harald. On Sun Jan 11 2015 at

Re: [Talk-us] Routing on Ferries

Graphhopper doesn't have the problem. It could be that other routers are using outdated data that did indeed have a tagging problem. https://graphhopper.com/maps/?point=47.811656%2C-122.379627point=47.809696%2C-122.528286layer=Lyrk Harald. On Thu Jan 01 2015 at 10:20:45 AM Clifford Snow

Re: [Talk-us] access road routing - two real world cases

I don't think that this is a tagging but a routing problem. It seems easy enough to me to program a router do not use roads with access=private unless they are the first or last segment of a route or something along those lines. RE: access=destination. Not sure what the convention is in the US,

Re: [Talk-us] Beaver dam? Wrecked bridge? Hallucinatory roads in TIGER?

Access tags seem inappropriate to me in this case. I would only tag the last node as noexit=yes (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noexit) as a way of making clear that the trail does indeed end and hasn't just not been mapped. Leave the rest to the users of the map -- maybe there is actually

Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle Routes

It is common practice to only tag the ones with actual signs on the road. For all the other ones you mentioned you should instead add the physical characteristics that make them popular with cyclists (surface, lane count, width, shoulder, smoothness, incline, etc.). Harald. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014

Re: [Talk-us] changeset 25081346 spanning contiguous United States

I use the operator=* tag and sometimes double it up with brand=* Harald. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Eric H. Christensen e...@christensenplace.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 09:33:08AM -0700, Peter Dobratz wrote: After checking a

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking more like a stop sign is red and eight sided. A traffic engineer told me that there is a federal standard governing how intersections are marked, etc. You're probably thinking of the Manual on