Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Frederik Ramm wrote: I would then run the script after the weekend if nobody has any objections. (Anything that is changed by hand between now and then will not be touched by the script.) It is after the weekend in Central Europe ;-) and I've started the automated edit. I deliberately

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Re: Bill Ricker's suggestion of flagging the dangling motorway_links, that is certainly possible and easy for me to do if you want it (I'd suggest something like FIXME=this motorway_link does not seem to be connected to a motorway or so). put bugs where they belong to.

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-19 Thread Bill Ricker
Would it be possible to FLAG the 2k orphan / singleend motorway_links with an unreview tag? regarding exceptions that prove the rule On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Dave Hansend...@sr71.net wrote: Yeah, you definitely have to be careful.  It's OK for a motorway to touch: 1. another motorway

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-18 Thread Theodore Book
I have looked through the changes in my part of the world, and it makes things much better. I would encourage you to go ahead and run it with the changes that you have made. Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I'm new on this list but I assume that the problem I'm talking about has been

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Dave, Dave Hansen wrote: Can you share some of the scripts and methods you used for this? I can but I had somewhat hoped to keep the ugly bits under the carpet. I very much followed the ages-old software development method of meddling through ;-) So: 1. Create US extract from current

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Alan Mintz wrote: In San Bernardino County, CA, all but two of these were cases where the motorway_link was a ramp that had not been connected to the motorway (which I fixed). That's a valid concern (also voiced by Apollinaris Schoell) and I had not thought about that. I have now

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Frederik Ramm wrote: I'll make the Perl script available for download when it works properly. http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/us-motorway-link-downgrade/fix-motorway-links.pl Bye Frederik ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 15:46 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: This brings down the number of proposed changes from 28k to 26k. The new list is at the same place: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/us-motorway-link-downgrade/ Some of these at least are from a botched TIGER county that I screwed up

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Russ Nelson
On Jul 17, 2009, at 2:24 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: I'd also like to look into some gluing back together of the TIGER counties and I wonder how suitable this would be. My gut feeling is that this calls for a semi-automated process in which a script suggests certain changes but humans

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread David Lynch
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:10, Russ Nelsonr...@cloudmade.com wrote:  An even more aggressive fix would be to disconnect everything that isn't a motorway_link.  That's probably correct, but more aggressive than I would choose to implement. Not a good idea at all, IMO. I can think of numerous

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Mark Gray
A quick tip for those reviewing this list: on the page for each way there is a small map zoomed to that way. Many of these small links at maximum zoom have no tiles prepared to display, but you can use the mouse scroll wheel to zoom out a bit on the small map. It is faster than opening the larger

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
checked the new version and it does a much better job. found one exception where things get worse but 99% correct fixes will be a great improvement. and in this case there is no simple rule to filter it requires checks in the form Russ suggested. But these are to aggressive for an

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 08:10 -0700, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 2:24 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: I'd also like to look into some gluing back together of the TIGER counties and I wonder how suitable this would be. My gut feeling is that this calls for a semi-automated process

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 10:27 -0500, David Lynch wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:10, Russ Nelsonr...@cloudmade.com wrote: An even more aggressive fix would be to disconnect everything that isn't a motorway_link. That's probably correct, but more aggressive than I would choose to

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Russ Nelson
On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:27 AM, David Lynch wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:10, Russ Nelsonr...@cloudmade.com wrote: An even more aggressive fix would be to disconnect everything that isn't a motorway_link. That's probably correct, but more aggressive than I would choose to implement. Not

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Yeah, you definitely have to be careful. It's OK for a motorway to touch: 1. another motorway 2. a motorway_link 3. a non-mototorway, but only at its *END* node. Not at its beginning node Why? US 101 changes an estimated million times from motorway to trunk/ primary and back to

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Yep. I've even got a JOSM validator plugin test to check motorway intersections. It doesn't do the angles, but just ensures motorways only touch other way types at their endpoints. very useful, can you share? Apollinaris -- Dave ___

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread David Lynch
Because I and numerous other mappers have put a hell of a lot of time and effort into getting things right, and I don't want anyone breaking it because an algorithm assumes it isn't right. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:15, Russ Nelsonr...@cloudmade.com wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:27 AM, David

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 09:19 -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: Yep. I've even got a JOSM validator plugin test to check motorway intersections. It doesn't do the angles, but just ensures motorways only touch other way types at their endpoints. very useful, can you share? Here are my

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 10:35 -0700, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 9:29 AM, David Lynch wrote: Because I and numerous other mappers have put a hell of a lot of time and effort into getting things right, and I don't want anyone breaking it because an algorithm assumes it isn't right.

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread David Lynch
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:35, Russ Nelsonr...@cloudmade.com wrote: Suddenly top-posting we are why? The day gmail stops putting two blank lines and the cursor at the top of the message is the day I stop accidentally top-posting because I hit reply, dash off a message, and send. On Jul 17,

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Jason Straub
Heve had a look through some of the listing in Texas (2800 would take a LONG time...). Here's where a minor concern pops up. So far I'm through Midland County. The majority of the rural counties changes look to be correct fixes. The majority of larger city changes are downgrading the

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Greg Troxel wrote: Heve had a look through some of the listing in Texas (2800 would take a LONG time...). Here's where a minor concern pops up. So far I'm through Midland County. The majority of the rural counties changes look to be correct fixes. The majority of larger city changes

[Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I'm new on this list but I assume that the problem I'm talking about has been widely discussed. Someone from the US alerted me to the fact that TIGER only has one type of road link which was imported as motorway_link, and therefore you have little bits of motorway_link sprinkled

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-16 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote: Let me know what you think. I looked at a few of the ways near me and the changes looked good to me... -- Jeff Ollie ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-16 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2009-07-16 18:41, you wrote: I propose to run a script that downgrades every motorway_link to the highest road type to which it is connected. ... Preliminary analysis shows that there would be roughly 28k changes across the whole US. I have prepared a full list of all proposed changes,

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-16 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 03:41 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Preliminary analysis shows that there would be roughly 28k changes across the whole US. I have prepared a full list of all proposed changes, arranged by state and county, here: