Re: SOT XNews (Was: Scoring (was: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!))

2000-01-14 Thread Christopher J. Trybowski
Hello Steve, On Tuesday, January 11, 2000 you wrote: Does anyone using Xnews know if and how you can download messages to read off-line? No. See its manual. But you can use Hamster -- local news and mail server. I don't use it yet, but I've heard it makes a quite powerful tandem with

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-14 Thread Christopher J. Trybowski
Hello Claudius, On Thursday, January 13, 2000 you wrote: Since Steve wrote that he still stands by everything he said and is continuing to discuss my arguments with other people it is hard to believe his apologies to "the list"; especially since his answer to my mail -- I don't think

DEAD HORSE AGAIN (was Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-14 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone
Hi Christopher, On 13 January 2000 at 18:11:58 GMT +0100 (which was 17:11 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: CJT But Claudius, [snip] ... Whoa Neddy! I declared this thread a DEAD HORSE two days ago. Please leave it alone now! Thank You. Cheers, Marck --

Re: DEAD HORSE AGAIN (was Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-14 Thread Steve Lamb
Friday, January 14, 2000, 6:12:07 AM, Marck wrote: CJT But Claudius, [snip] ... Whoa Neddy! I thought it was "Nelly"? :/ -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.

Re[3]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-13 Thread Wolfgang Kynast
Hi Claudius, ... I don't think any other expression is more exact -- is simply fascistic. Please stop this now IMMEDIATELY - enough is enough. Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 95 4.0 Build B in Darmstadt, Germany, on a

Re[4]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-13 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello, Claudius I don't think any other expression is more exact -- is simply fascistic. I want to apologize for saying that. Nevertheless, the last two reactions were very dissapointing. And it's not forgot with one mail. -- Claudius Regn --

Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-12 Thread Januk Aggarwal
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 7:38:31 PM, you wrote: This would mean to add another functionality to filters (date check - costs processing time). It would be much easier to just add "move to" as an option what to do with old messages (in additon to delete), as suggested by

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Oleg Zalyalov
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Tuesday, January 11, 2000, Thomas Fernandez wrote to George M. Menegakis about Interview with RITLabs! Finally!: GMM So mail reading means at least you should have a way to GMM fetch/read/write/send/organize/search mail. TF You *are* describing Outlook here. I

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread George M. Menegakis
Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 9:50:36 AM, tracer wrote: Steve *cough* Uhm, very bad idea. I would rather see RIT put a full Steve browser into TB! than put in an SMTP server. why a bad idea? I would prefer an easy external way to do it but sofar I havent seen one Best regards, Because

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
Hi Christopher, CJT I have just reminded myself a question: what about unicode (utf-8) CJT support? (Interview continues :-) It will be supported, of course. :-) Regards, Stefan ..."Hi-ho, hi-ho, it's hand grenades I throw..." --

Re[2]: Scoring (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-12 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
Hi Steve, Thank you for such a comprehensive explanation. I wonder why we did not implement this thing before :-) This thing must be very useful for mailing list as well... SL One would think until you try to wrestle with the idea of how to implement SL it in the email context.

Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-12 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Januk, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:24:32 -0800GMT (12/01/2000, 16:24 +0800GMT), Januk Aggarwal wrote: [...] JA shouldn't be added. Of course the folders would need to be changed so JA that instead of having "Delete old messages on exit," they should have JA "Run Date Filter Set on Exit." Or

Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-12 Thread Allie Martin
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:24:32 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote: [..snip..] Why would you REQUEST something that limiting? If they offered filtering by date as well, you can achieve everything you and Allie have suggested _very_ easily. Not very easily as you put it. Especially if only

Re[3]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Douglas Hinds
Hello tracer all fellow TBUDL members, Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 10:14:47 PM, tracer wrote in response to Alex's saying: Alexander Therefore I wish to solidarize with those who are Alexander *against* adding HTML editing, news-reading, Alexander virus-checking and web-browsing capabilities. I

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello Alexander, I'd rather have spell checking than IMAP. I'd rather have html-viewing than IMAP. AVK That's only you, please speak for *yourself* only;-) Alex, do you read what you quote?? ;) "I'd" ~~~ -- With best regards, Claudius Regn

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello Steve, SL Sure it does. Let's take, for example, non-conformity to the CUA SL standard. Open up TB, pick a folder with 10 messages in it. Now, on the list SL view do this. Select message #1. Hold shift and select message #3. Now, SL press control and select message #6. Now,

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello Steve, SL No, they do not. Do you really want me to get into my rant about how SL email clients are a shadow of what they could be based on my experience with SL past software on older hardware? They serve well for people receiving/sending less than 10 emails/day and that is why they

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello Steve, SL No. The standard convention is to have quotes preceded with the symbol. There are different ways to communicate, to write emails, to quote. I quote the way I want to. I exchange emails with enough people from enough countries with enough experience that I decide how to

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 11:50:36 PM, tracer wrote: why a bad idea? Because of the current internet climate and the whole design behind the mail system and how SMTP servers fit into it. Technically, a lot of ISPs now will not accept port 25 connections from dynamic IP space. Some

Re: Scoring (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 1:37:36 AM, Stefan wrote: OK, you'll see it :-) There's much more I'd rather see. However, I've made that abundantly clear over the past few months. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 7:33:16 AM, Claudius wrote: They serve well for people receiving/sending less than 10 emails/day and that is why they are email clients that cover the basics. That's fine, there are plenty of clients out there that cover it. We don't need to dumb down another

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 7:45:46 AM, Claudius wrote: So what? You'd change this, RITLABS doesn't, maybe it is easy to change, but is it really important? Yes. Conforming to the standards of the interface is important so people can effectively use the product without thinking about it.

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 8:09:19 AM, Claudius wrote: There are different ways to communicate, to write emails, to quote. I quote the way I want to. I exchange emails with enough people from enough countries with enough experience that I decide how to quote in what situation. Then

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Alexander V. Kiselev
Hi there! On 12 Jan 00, at 9:11, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally": Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 11:50:36 PM, tracer wrote: why a bad idea? Because of the current internet climate and the whole design behind the mail system and how SMTP s

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello Steve Lamb, with the email you dare to post here you show your shortcomings. You are just getting really angry and aggressive; the lack of arguments or your bad mood is not a reason to become personal insulting in a public mailing list. With all your net-"culture" you are breaking

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Angel
On Wednesday, January 12, 2000 at 16:04:18 ,Claudius scribbled: CR Steve Lamb, is it time to leave this mailing list??? Do you have any respect CR for other people in you? Respect for my culture? Forgive me Claudius, but your response does not help the situation. You should've done with this

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 4:04:18 PM, Claudius wrote: with the email you dare to post here you show your shortcomings. Which are far less than yours. You are just getting really angry and aggressive No, I am frustrated at yet another newbie trying to change the net world and

DEAD HORSE (was Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-12 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone
Hi Steve and Claudius, On 13 January 2000 at 16:29:28 GMT -0800 (which was 00:29 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: It's DEAD HORSE time guys! Angel is quite right - take it off list please. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer

Re: DEAD HORSE (was Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 4:38:36 PM, Marck wrote: On 13 January 2000 at 16:29:28 GMT -0800 (which was 00:29 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: It's DEAD HORSE time guys! Angel is quite right - take it off list please. Upon rereading my last message

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Allie Martin
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:29:28 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [..snip..][..snip..][..snip..][..snip..] Glad to see you're finally quoting correctly. Amazingly, you're learning. Forte' Agent, Becky, Poco Mail, PMMail, MR2/ICE, Post Road Mailer, Transoft Mail, and other less worthwhile e-mail

Re: DEAD HORSE (was Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-12 Thread Allie Martin
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:04:22 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [..snip..] Upon rereading my last message I'd like to apologize to the list in general. At least the last message was a bit too far. While I still agree with and stand by everything I said my judgement was clouded in the posting of

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 5:15:11 PM, Allie wrote: Glad to see you're finally quoting correctly. Amazingly, you're learning. Forte' Agent, Becky, Poco Mail, PMMail, MR2/ICE, Post Road Mailer, Transoft Mail, and other less worthwhile e-mail clients that I've tried all support

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread tracer
Hello Steve Lamb, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:29:28 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 13, 2000, 7:29:28 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve Quite frankly, I don't care that someone's opinion is that the sky Steve is orange with leaf brown polka dots everywhere.

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread tracer
Hello Angel, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:12:12 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 13, 2000, 7:12:12 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Angel wrote: Angel On Wednesday, January 12, 2000 at 16:04:18 ,Claudius scribbled: CR Steve Lamb, is it time to leave this mailing list??? Do you have

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-12 Thread tracer
Hello Steve Lamb, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:34:05 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 13, 2000, 12:34:05 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: You want me to spell check or read html-mails with other applications? Steve Yes. No matter how good the RITLABS

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Ralf Buschmann
Hi Steve, you wrote on Monday, January 10, 2000, 23:40:54: How is it different? I can't see much of a difference between my TBUDL folder and a news group (I'm using Forté Agent, BTW). Of course, various commands like "Reply to all" would have a different meaning ("post to all news groups"

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Ralf Buschmann
Hi Mark, you wrote on Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 00:30:32: [snip] LG - Will v2.0 support hooks for virus scanning attachments to messages? Yes. SL *VERY* Bad. MA Gone:-( Why the heck (sorry) is that "*VERY* bad"?? That's something very useful, IMHO. Ralf. -- BackMagic: Disaster

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 12:02:37 AM, Ralf wrote: More threaded? :-) Doesn't any reply to a news or mail message automatically create a or add to a thread? No. There are a lot of email applications which do not use References and In-Reply-To. Most notably the web based email readers

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 12:10:21 AM, Ralf wrote: Why the heck (sorry) is that "*VERY* bad"?? That's something very useful, IMHO. Because it will either be one of two varieties. 1: Click on it and scan. This is bad because it is an added step that the user could screw up,

Re: Scoring (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 12:37:59 AM, Thomas wrote: And here is the stupid question: what is "scoring"? Scoring is a filtering system (hush and listen, I know TB! has filtering) whereby the filters assign a score to a newsgroup article based on the rules provided in the score. You can

Re: Scoring (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-11 Thread Januk Aggarwal
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 12:37:59 AM, you wrote: And here is the stupid question: what is "scoring"? Not a stupid question. I just discovered it when I downloaded Xnews today. It is a way of ranking messages in a newsgroup based upon very fancy filters. I don't claim to

SOT XNews (Was: Scoring (was: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!))

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 1:00:08 AM, Januk wrote: Off Topic Question: Does anyone using Xnews know if and how you can download messages to read off-line? No. See its manual. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343

Re[2]: Scoring (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-11 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
Hello Steve, Thank you for such a comprehensive explanation. I wonder why we did not implement this thing before :-) This thing must be very useful for mailing list as well... Best regards, Stefan ...Southern DOS: Y'all reckon? (yep/Nope) --

Re: Scoring (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Steve, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:03:46 -0800GMT (11/01/2000, 17:03 +0800GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: And here is the stupid question: what is "scoring"? SL Scoring is a filtering system (hush and listen, I know TB! has filtering) [...] SL get per day. That is why I said email and news are

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello, SL Doesn't do multiple accounts nor does it have a decent overview of what is SL in even a single account. Try again. Outlook would do. Either way, TheBat! is not *just* for fetch/send/store/search mail. -- With best regards, Claudius Regn mailto:[EMAIL

Re[3]: Scoring (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello, ST Thank you for such a comprehensive explanation. I wonder why we did ST not implement this thing before :-) This thing must be very useful ST for mailing list as well... And I see our new feature rising at the horizon... -- With best regards, Claudius Regn

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello Steve, SL "optional" items to make it comparable to Bat v1.x? You are aware that by SL virtualizing everything in the manner they have described they are adding in SL several layers of complexity? Each layer has its own potential for bugs. Then your conclusion will be: do not try to

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread George M. Menegakis
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 1:53:51 PM, Claudius Regn wrote: SL not directly related to the main task at hand, *reading email*. SL They are doing this without that core application's full SL potential even being completely realized. If you just want to *read mail* you can use

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Christopher J. Trybowski
Hello Leif, On Monday, January 10, 2000 you wrote: We are finally done. I hope you all find it as informative as I did! Thanks Leif! I have just reminded myself a question: what about unicode (utf-8) support? Best regards, -- Christopher J. Trybowski

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello George, GMM It doesn't go this way my friend. GMM A mail reader is made for one job. To read mail. As much as your GMM coffee machine is made to make coffee. GMM All i want is to read mail. First: in *your opinion* "it doesn't go this way", my friend. Obviously you consider a

Re: Scoring (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 2:34:17 AM, Stefan wrote: Thank you for such a comprehensive explanation. I wonder why we did not implement this thing before :-) This thing must be very useful for mailing list as well... One would think until you try to wrestle with the idea of how to

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 3:53:51 AM, Claudius wrote: Then your conclusion will be: do not try to make complex software. Doesn't work for me. No. My conclusion is given the bugs and inconsistencies that still persist in the 1.x series I don't have much faith that RITLABS can move to a

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 3:58:38 AM, Claudius wrote: Outlook would do. Either way, TheBat! is not *just* for fetch/send/store/search mail. No, and that is the problem. An email client should be just for that. Outlook would not do because it is not an email client by any stretch of the

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Mark Aston
Hi Ralf, Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 8:10:21 AM, you wrote: RB Hi Mark, RB you wrote on Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 00:30:32: RB [snip] LG - Will v2.0 support hooks for virus scanning attachments to messages? Yes. SL *VERY* Bad. MA Gone:-( RB Why the heck (sorry) is that "*VERY*

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread George M. Menegakis
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 4:44:16 PM, Claudius Regn wrote: First: in *your opinion* "it doesn't go this way", my friend. Obviously you consider a lot of features belonging to '*reading mail*' - and not just reading mail, that's why you use TheBat! You think this or that is essential 'mail

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hallo Mark, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:19:20 + GMT (12.01.2000, 02:19 +0800 GMT), Mark Aston wrote: LG - Will v2.0 support hooks for virus scanning attachments to messages? SL *VERY* Bad. RB Why the heck (sorry) is that "*VERY* bad"?? That's something very RB useful, IMHO. MA Because

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hallo George, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:55:44 +0200 GMT (12.01.2000, 02:55 +0800 GMT), George M. Menegakis wrote: GMM So mail reading means at least you should have a way to GMM fetch/read/write/send/organize/search mail. You *are* describing Outlook here. GMM All the other things are optional.

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 10:57:24 AM, Thomas wrote: I agree with this. It will only your system down. Supposing you have an active virus-scanner running anyway, which you should. :-) s/only your/only slow your/gi;# :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 10:55:44 AM, George wrote: Fetching and sending mail could be done using external dedicated program. For the convinience of users it could be great to implement a way to communicate with the mail server. Actually, it is done by external dedicated programs.

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 11:03:57 AM, Thomas wrote: GMM So mail reading means at least you should have a way to GMM fetch/read/write/send/organize/search mail. You *are* describing Outlook here. No. Outlook also has newsreading, a contact list, a to do list, a day planner, a kitchen

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hallo Steve, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:09:55 -0800 GMT (12.01.2000, 03:09 +0800 GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: I agree with this. It will only your system down. Supposing you have an active virus-scanner running anyway, which you should. :-) SL s/only your/only slow your/gi;# :) LOL! But I'm

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hallo Steve, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:16:16 -0800 GMT (12.01.2000, 03:16 +0800 GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: You *are* describing Outlook here. SL No. Outlook also has newsreading, a contact list, a to do list, a day SL planner, a kitchen sink I litterally Laughed Out Loud when I read this.

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Oliver Sturm
Hi all, IMHO, this is mainly loads of discussion about a piece of software that's supposedly arriving somewhere in the near future. What I noticed about the interview was mainly that there is no single hard fact about that piece of software available. There's some "of course this

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello George, GMM Let's draw a line. GMM In order to read mail you should I did not mean hairsplitting. You do. GMM So mail reading means at least you should have a way to GMM fetch/read/write/send/organize/search mail. GMM All the other things are optional. So by that rationality 95% of

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello Steve, SL clients have a rotten core. Sure, they look pretty, but bite into it, really SL sink your teeth into it and you find it is sour inside with no substance. I don't think so. Almost all mail clients do perfectly offer all the options you described -- and George described to be

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello Steve, Either way, TheBat! is not *just* for fetch/send/store/search mail. SL No, and that is the problem. An email client should be just for that. SL Outlook would not do because it is not an email client by any stretch of the SL imagination. Hahaha, Steve -- thank you for your

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Alexander V. Kiselev
Hi there! On 11 Jan 00, at 22:08, Oliver Sturm wrote about "Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Fina": b) To move old messages to ... For the b) option a browse button with the ability to select a destination folder, even across accounts would be nice. This makes for an archiving

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Alexander V. Kiselev
Hi there! On 11 Jan 00, at 22:15, Claudius Regn wrote about "Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Fina": SL TB! is good in some areas (database management) than other clients and SL worse in other areas (IMAP). I'd rather have spell checking than IMAP. I'd rather have html-viewing than

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Allie Martin
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:35:12 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: b) To move old messages to ... For the b) option a browse button with the ability to select a destination folder, even across accounts would be nice. This makes for an archiving capability of sorts. Seems like a

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 1:10:22 PM, Claudius wrote: So by that rationality 95% of TheBat! functions are by now optional. Yup. And the remaining 5% which is core needs improvement. It does not, neither does TheBat! Sure it does. Let's take, for example, non-conformity to the CUA

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Allie Martin
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:43:31 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: [..snip..] Advanced functionality *should* be supported, as much as possible! This is the major point for me, personally. Of course, provided that it doesn't bloat the code heavily and doesn't contradict with how the program

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 1:15:51 PM, Claudius wrote: I don't think so. Almost all mail clients do perfectly offer all the options you described -- and George described to be besic features. No, they do not. Do you really want me to get into my rant about how email clients are a shadow

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 1:18:39 PM, Claudius wrote: Hahaha, Steve -- thank you for your serious argumentation... I am serious. As others have noted Lookout! is a personal information manager which happens to have email functionality. It would be like calling Netscape an email client

Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Alexander, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:35:12 +0300GMT (12/01/2000, 05:35 +0800GMT), Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: b) To move old messages to ... For the b) option a browse button with the ability to select a destination folder, even across accounts would be nice. This makes for an

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread tracer
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:57:24 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 1:57:24 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: LG - Will v2.0 support hooks for virus scanning attachments to messages? SL *VERY* Bad. RB Why the heck

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread tracer
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:43:31 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 4:43:31 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Alexander Therefore I wish to solidarize with those who are *against* adding HTML Alexander editing,

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread tracer
Hello Oliver Sturm, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:59:38 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 1:59:38 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Oliver Sturm wrote: Oliver Hi all, Oliver IMHO, this is mainly loads of discussion about a piece of software Oliver that's supposedly

Re[3]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread tracer
Hello Claudius Regn, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:15:51 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 4:15:51 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Claudius Regn wrote: Claudius Hello Steve, SL clients have a rotten core. Sure, they look pretty, but bite into it, really SL sink your teeth

SMTP server (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi tracer, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:43:06 +0700GMT (12/01/2000, 11:43 +0800GMT), tracer wrote: Fetching and sending mail could be done using external dedicated program. For the convinience of users it could be great to implement a way to communicate with the mail server. Steve Actually,

Re: SMTP server (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)

2000-01-11 Thread tracer
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:45:51 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 12:45:51 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas Hi tracer, Thomas On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:43:06 +0700GMT (12/01/2000, 11:43 +0800GMT), Thomas tracer wrote:

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 7:43:06 PM, tracer wrote: Actually I would like the bat to do it with a buildin or addon locally running SMTP server, ie not involving the isp. *cough* Uhm, very bad idea. I would rather see RIT put a full browser into TB! than put in an SMTP server. --

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-11 Thread tracer
Hello Steve Lamb, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 23:12:50 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 2:12:50 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 7:43:06 PM, tracer wrote: Actually I would like the bat to do it with a buildin or addon

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Steve Lamb
Monday, January 10, 2000, 1:13:39 PM, Leif wrote: LG - Is there a planned port to Linux? We are planning to make the Linux version when Delphi for Linux will be available (this year, as promised by Inprise, Inc). One good thing to hear. [regarding a built-in news reader] LG Why did you

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread George M. Menegakis
Monday, January 10, 2000, 11:51:08 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Oh, this is bad. This speaks very badly for TB! production if this is true. Effective newsreading is completely different than effective email reading. Why they share common technical specifications and appear, on the surface,

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Steve Lamb
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 3:24:32 PM, George wrote: I can't disagree with that. Newsreading is a VERY VERY different thing than mailreading. Other headers, other protocols, other specifications, other rfcs etc etc. Well, not quite true. IIRC, a "proper" news message is one that can

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Mark Aston
Hi Steve, Monday, January 10, 2000, 11:45:12 PM, you wrote: SL Monday, January 10, 2000, 3:30:32 PM, Mark wrote: Gone:-( SL And this is supposed to mean, what, exactly? Basically I got more depressed with every item of that interview, I really like The Bat! as it is and would

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Jason Thompson
Hello Steve and Bat Buddies, I feel I should put in my two cents here, because most of the opinions that are posted to this list are negative ones, critical to one aspect of TB or another. I support TB's growth into areas such as usenet and HTML because the developers have so far proved to me

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread tracer
Hello Mark Worsham, On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:47:47 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 4:47:47 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Mark Worsham wrote: Mark Hi Leif - Mark Monday, January 10, 2000, 3:13:39 PM, you wrote: LG - How many of the items on the wish list are going

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Steve Lamb
Monday, January 10, 2000, 3:59:11 PM, Mark wrote: SL And this is supposed to mean, what, exactly? Ah, ok. Your message could have been taken one of two ways so I wasn't sure. :) I suppose there is the option of staying with a version 1.xx? There is, but I'm not partial to

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread George M. Menegakis
Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 1:42:02 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: Conversely, PMMail stores each folder as a directory on the file system. Each subfolder is a subdirectory, each message is an individual file. Just like INN's file storage system. Does that make PMMail a news reader? ;) No but

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Mark Worsham
Hi tracer - Monday, January 10, 2000, 6:20:08 PM, you wrote: Mark Wow. Can't wait until they get it out for testing. t reading the interview and the gmama testing stage and that of many t things they seemingly donot know what or how it will do things, I t wonder how much of the code is

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Steve Lamb
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 4:24:45 PM, George wrote: No but it is better approach to news reading. Forte's aproach is completely wrong, news are not supposed to be grouped in a gigantic file, rather in separate files. In the other hand, Unix doesn't have fragmentation problems :))). Newsgroup

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread tracer
Hello Mark Aston, On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:59:11 + GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 6:59:11 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Mark Aston wrote: Mark Hi Steve, Mark Monday, January 10, 2000, 11:45:12 PM, you wrote: SL Monday, January 10, 2000, 3:30:32 PM, Mark wrote:

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Steve Lamb
Monday, January 10, 2000, 4:16:51 PM, Jason wrote: mind, The Bat's wings let it fly far above all the other email clients, and somehow the download package is always kept a fraction of other clients. And Opera sails above its competition. I don't want to see RITLABS spend time competing

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Steve Lamb
Monday, January 10, 2000, 4:37:15 PM, Mark wrote: We need to keep in mind that Ritlabs is marketing this product to a wide audience. This is not their hobby, it's their livelihood. They are trying to create a product that a lot of people will want to purchase and use. This is the problem.

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Mark Aston
Hi Steve, Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 12:28:21 AM, you wrote: but that does not really appeal. Any suggestions for another Windows MUA that come close to TB, as it is now? SL PMMail? *shrug* Yes ,exactly a choice of one, TB really cannot compete with the "all in one " no-brainer

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello George, GMM The only thing I want from my mailer to do is to GMM fetch/send/store/search mail. There'S a pretty nifty onehm, well, I think it was called PINE ;) !! -- With best regards, Claudius Regn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat!

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Claudius Regn
Hello Steve, SL And Opera sails above its competition. I don't want to see RITLABS spend SL time competing with Opera Software when they still have a LOT of work to do on SL TB!. I don't want to see Opera Software compete with RITLABS, either. RITLABS software IMHO is evolving and

Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Jason Thompson
Hello Steve and Bat Buddies, I don't want to see RITLABS spend time competing with Opera Software when they still have a LOT of work to do on TB!. I don't want to see Opera Software compete with RITLABS, either. I agree with you concerning the web browser RITLabs is planning. There are three

Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

2000-01-10 Thread Steve Lamb
On Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 06:25:00PM -0800, Jason Thompson wrote: Usenet, on the other hand...Well, I know none of the technical aspects of Usenet, but I've seen that MS Outlook smoothly integrates news and mail into one client. I've always liked Outlook for that, although that's the only

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