Hi all,
On Wednesday, November 03, 1999, 9:32:30 PM (-5 GMT), Marck scribbled:
> Okay - I have to wield the big stick. This OT conversation has been
> fascinating but I am going to have to ask Kevin and Steve to carry it
> on off-list (should they wish to continue) and anyone else thinking
*I am forced to invoke the DEAD HORSE rule on this topic.*
Okay - I have to wield the big stick. This OT conversation has been
fascinating but I am going to have to ask Kevin and Steve to carry it
on off-list (should they wish to continue) and anyone else thinking of
commenting on recent post
Wednesday, November 03, 1999, 3:52:51 PM, Kevin wrote:
> No, not as valid a reason as "I don't want to work in two different
> word processors, I want to be able to transfer stuff from work to
> home", etc. So it's not as valid a reason as any others.
Those are no more valid at all when you
Hi,
>> Probably, but I wouldn't make my choice of OS at home based on
>> that. :-)
> No, but it is about as valid a reason as any other. IE... not all
> that valid.
No, not as valid a reason as "I don't want to work in two different
word processors, I want to be able to transfer stuff from wor
Wednesday, November 03, 1999, 12:11:59 PM, Kevin wrote:
>> Actually, it would be better to have a variety. Makes viruses kind of
>> hard to propagate, doesn't it?
> Probably, but I wouldn't make my choice of OS at home based on that. :-)
No, but it is about as valid a reason as any othe
>> machine at home that they do at work for obvious reasons. (Yes I know
>> that is technically a choice, but it wouldn't be a good choice to use
>> totally different OS's and applications at work and home in most cases)
> Actually, it would be better to have a variety. Makes viruses kind of
Wednesday, November 03, 1999, 10:04:58 AM, Kevin wrote:
> machine at home that they do at work for obvious reasons. (Yes I know that
> is technically a choice, but it wouldn't be a good choice to use totally
> different OS's and applications at work and home in most cases)
Actually, it would
Hi all,
On Wednesday, November 03, 1999, 12:48:38 PM (-5 GMT), Steve scribbled:
>> And yes it does become a problem FOR them. But I think the point was that it
>> isn't the fault of the "end user" that experiences the crash in many to most
>> of the situations.
> I still do not think that i
Hi all,
On Wednesday, November 03, 1999, 11:54:54 AM (-5 GMT), Steve scribbled:
>> Exactly. It's windows. It's therefore not the users fault when that
>> frustrating crash occurs. :)
> They chose to use it, didn't they?
No. By and large, NO. :)
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Regards,
-=Ali=-
Hi,
> Wednesday, November 03, 1999, 9:33:41 AM, Kevin wrote:
>> OK, so 99.9% of the people don't have a choice.
> Isn't that a little high given the amount of home PCs and number of
> businesses that do allow users to chose?
No, I don't think so. In businesses not very many allow you to ch
Wednesday, November 03, 1999, 9:33:41 AM, Kevin wrote:
> OK, so 99.9% of the people don't have a choice.
Isn't that a little high given the amount of home PCs and number of
businesses that do allow users to chose?
> And yes it does become a problem FOR them. But I think the point was that i
Hi,
Oops, answered the wrong message... sorry about that. Don't mean to sound
like I'm talking to myself! :-)
> Wednesday, November 03, 1999, 9:06:50 AM, Kevin wrote:
>>> They chose to use it, didn't they?
>> I honestly don't know very many people who have a choice of what OS they
>> use
Hi,
>>> Exactly. It's windows. It's therefore not the users fault when that
>>> frustrating crash occurs. :)
>> They chose to use it, didn't they?
> I honestly don't know very many people who have a choice of what OS they
> use in their jobs.
OK, so 99.9% of the people don't have a choice.
Wednesday, November 03, 1999, 9:06:50 AM, Kevin wrote:
>> They chose to use it, didn't they?
> I honestly don't know very many people who have a choice of what OS they
> use in their jobs.
I honestly don't know of very many IT managers that don't have a choice.
It is still a (l)user's pr
Hi,
>> Exactly. It's windows. It's therefore not the users fault when that
>> frustrating crash occurs. :)
> They chose to use it, didn't they?
I honestly don't know very many people who have a choice of what OS they
use in their jobs.
Kevin
Using The Bat! 1.36
Under Windows NT4
Monday, November 01, 1999, 11:28:35 AM, Ali wrote:
> Many OSS programmers chimed in at that point to say that they get paid to
> develop OSS. That's the funding I'm speaking about. If this type of funding
> doesn't in anyway apply to GNOME and KDE development, then I stand
> corrected.
The po
Wednesday, November 03, 1999
Hello Alexander,
Wednesday, Wednesday, November 03, 1999, you wrote:
Alexander> Hi there!
Alexander> On 2 Nov 99, at 0:59, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote
Alexander> about "Re: OT: Computer Philosophy (was: R":
>> > Before the cra
Hi there!
On 2 Nov 99, at 0:59, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote
about "Re: OT: Computer Philosophy (was: R":
> > Before the crash he had 1 primary and 1 extended partition, 2
> > logicals on the latter. After the crash, he had only *one* (primary)
> >
On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:55:56 +0700
tracer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> expounded:
> Wednesday, November 03, 1999
>
> Hello Kevin,
>
> Tuesday, Tuesday, November 02, 1999, you wrote:
>
> Kevin> Hi,
>
> >> Sunday, October 31, 1999, 10:09:38 AM, Paula wrote:
> >>> a computer with a problem, which wants to
Wednesday, November 03, 1999
Hello Paula,
Tuesday, Tuesday, November 02, 1999, you wrote:
Paula> On Monday, November 01, 1999, tracer wrote:
Paula>>> Thanks for your offer of help, though.
>> No problem, just intrigued, were they running NT4 or NT5???
>> It has some very lousy driver support
Wednesday, November 03, 1999
Hello Steve,
Tuesday, Tuesday, November 02, 1999, you wrote:
>> clueless user with one about the clueless support person.
Steve> I seriously doubt that. The office I was in. 10 techs. We'd get 10-12
Steve> calls a *week* from people who had an incorrect pass
Wednesday, November 03, 1999
Hello Kevin,
Tuesday, Tuesday, November 02, 1999, you wrote:
Kevin> Hi,
>> Sunday, October 31, 1999, 10:09:38 AM, Paula wrote:
>>> a computer with a problem, which wants to waste my time trying to
>>> interpret its pouting silence or irritatingly cryptic outbursts.
Hi,
...
PF> The source of the printing
PF> problems, however, probably originates with the office suite, Corel.
PF> WordPerfect and HP printers have a long history of not getting along
PF> real well, although I've found that HP printers, especially their
PF> drivers, are not what they used to be.
Hello Christopher,
Tuesday, November 02, 1999, 12:59:04 AM, you wrote:
CJT> On Monday, November 01, 1999 Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
>> Before the crash he had 1 primary and 1 extended partition, 2
>> logicals on the latter. After the crash, he had only *one* (primary)
>> partition. The
On Monday, November 01, 1999 Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
> Before the crash he had 1 primary and 1 extended partition, 2
> logicals on the latter. After the crash, he had only *one* (primary)
> partition. The rest of the partitions just perished. The data lost.
> On the primary partiti
On Monday, November 01, 1999, tracer wrote:
Paula>> Thanks for your offer of help, though.
> No problem, just intrigued, were they running NT4 or NT5???
> It has some very lousy driver support for some printers...
The printer is HP's top of the line network laser, the 8000. The network
runs on
Monday, November 01, 1999, 12:05:36 PM, Steve wrote:
>> It's a snowball effect which will eventually lead to
>> the computer exploding against our will.
> Yes, you're finally getting it. For example, some schmuck in a tie
I also forgot to mention that most people now use not what does
Monday, November 01, 1999, 11:54:15 AM, Ali wrote:
> Oho, *now* I understanding the reasoning. In an effort to deal with
> the users ineptitude, faulty OS's are developed that do silly things
> which frustrate the clue-full and further frustrate the inept as well.
> It's a snowball effect which w
Hi all,
On Monday, November 01, 1999, 2:42:37 PM (-5 GMT), Steve scribbled:
>> That's irrelevant. Remember that her scenarios were put forward to
>> refute the sweeping statement made by Marck.
MDPVery true! Computers are not the source of frustration.
MDPIt is an
Monday, November 01, 1999, 11:38:33 AM, Ali wrote:
> Hi all,
> On Monday, November 01, 1999, 1:45:35 PM (-5 GMT), Steve scribbled:
>>> All these examples are from real life. Want more? I could fill a
>>> volume. How are any of these problems the result of the ineptitude
>>> of the users?
>>
Hi all,
On Monday, November 01, 1999, 1:45:35 PM (-5 GMT), Steve scribbled:
>> All these examples are from real life. Want more? I could fill a
>> volume. How are any of these problems the result of the ineptitude
>> of the users?
> Yet for each of those stories there are thousands, literal
Hi,
> Sunday, October 31, 1999, 10:09:38 AM, Paula wrote:
>> a computer with a problem, which wants to waste my time trying to
>> interpret its pouting silence or irritatingly cryptic outbursts. Rather
>> like men.
> Rather like women, actually. Most of the men I know will state flat out
>
Hi all,
On Monday, November 01, 1999, 12:12:57 PM (-5 GMT), Steve scribbled:
>> The Desktop environments KDE and Gnome are significantly driven by this open
>> market. This is where most of the funding is coming from isn't it?
> What funding? Both projects were started and are heavily deve
Sunday, October 31, 1999, 10:09:38 AM, Paula wrote:
> a computer with a problem, which wants to waste my time trying to
> interpret its pouting silence or irritatingly cryptic outbursts. Rather
> like men.
Rather like women, actually. Most of the men I know will state flat out
what the probl
Sunday, October 31, 1999, 9:55:31 AM, Paula wrote:
[Mucho snippage]
> All these examples are from real life. Want more? I could fill a volume.
> How are any of these problems the result of the ineptitude of the users?
Yet for each of those stories there are thousands, literally thousands
wher
Saturday, October 30, 1999, 9:35:22 PM, Thomas wrote:
> A niche market is still a market, but I agree with you in principle.
A niche market, when the target isn't the lowest common denominator, does
not much resemble the "bad" influences the general market exudes on products.
> I'm thinking
Saturday, October 30, 1999, 6:03:50 AM, Ali wrote:
> stumbled upon it at www.winfiles.com in search of a decent e-mail
> client. I guess that's what happened to most of use here?
Yes, that is how I found it.
> However, not even linux is escaping the market influence. Distro makers who
> wish
Hi, boys and girls.
If I can give an opinion, let me say that people wants to say "Computer, write a
letter to Mr. brown saying he's fired", and expects the computer to do that.
Maybe is a myth feeded by movies and popular imagination. Some time ago, I read
an article that said "... if you wan
Hi there!
On 31 Oct 99, at 13:35, Thomas Fernandez wrote about
"Re[3]: OT: Computer Philosophy (was":
> MDP> Completely and utterly true. It *is* a just small percentage of the
> MDP> millions of computer owners and users that have actually put any
>
Monday, November 01, 1999
Hello Paula,
Monday, Monday, November 01, 1999, you wrote:
Paula> tracer, you are way too literal. :)
sorry, bad habbit, normally when I get complaints its something they
want solved.. (g)
Paula> All the problems were solved one way or another. They were just examples
tracer, you are way too literal. :)
All the problems were solved one way or another. They were just examples
of what the "inept" users deal with.
Thanks for your offer of help, though.
--
Paula Ford
The Bat! 1.35 (reg)
Windows 95 4.0 Build 950
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Monday, November 01, 1999
Hello Paula,
Monday, Monday, November 01, 1999, you wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 30, 1999, 3:51:35 PM (GMT+0800), Steve Lamb wrote:
SL>>> Computers are *NOT* complicated. Women, now that is a complicated piece
SL>>> of equipment!
Paula> Oh, puhleeze. Women are not
Monday, November 01, 1999
Hello Paula,
Monday, Monday, November 01, 1999, you wrote:
Paula> On Sunday, October 31, 1999, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
MDP>>> Very true! Computers are not the source of frustration. It is an
MDP>>> individual's own ineptitude that provides it.
>> You are both r
Hi all,
On Sunday, October 31, 1999, 1:09:38 PM (-5 GMT), Paula scribbled:
SL>>> Computers are *NOT* complicated. Women, now that is a
SL>>> complicated piece of equipment!
> Oh, puhleeze. Women are not equipment and I'd much rather deal with a
> woman with a problem, who only wants me to list
Hi all,
On Sunday, October 31, 1999, 12:55:31 PM (-5 GMT), Paula scribbled:
MDP>>> Very true! Computers are not the source of frustration.
MDP>>> It is an individual's own ineptitude that provides it.
>> You are both right, but still I am human and I get frustrated when the
>> programme d
> On Saturday, October 30, 1999, 3:51:35 PM (GMT+0800), Steve Lamb wrote:
SL>> Computers are *NOT* complicated. Women, now that is a complicated piece
SL>> of equipment!
Oh, puhleeze. Women are not equipment and I'd much rather deal with a
woman with a problem, who only wants me to listen and s
On Sunday, October 31, 1999, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
MDP>> Very true! Computers are not the source of frustration. It is an
MDP>> individual's own ineptitude that provides it.
> You are both right, but still I am human and I get frustrated when the
> programme does something else than I wa
Hallo Marck,
On Saturday, October 30, 1999, 7:22:24 PM (GMT+0800), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:
>>> Well, the OS is software in my vocabulary, so you are actually
>>> saying you agree with me? :-
SL>> No, OS does not equal software. The same software on 6 different
SL>> OSs could yield 6
Hallo Steve,
On Saturday, October 30, 1999, 3:51:35 PM (GMT+0800), Steve Lamb wrote:
>> They have to breath, wehtehr they want to or not. They don't have to
SL> That's just it, we don't have to go to the market, either. There is
SL> enough of a "market" out there to go for a niche, not the
Hi all,
On Saturday, October 30, 1999, 2:51:35 AM (-5 GMT), Steve scribbled:
> That's just it, we don't have to go to the market, either. There is
> enough of a "market" out there to go for a niche, not the general market. In
> the goo-goo eyed craze to get the large numbers one misses the
On 30 October 1999 at 08:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list:
>> Well, the OS is software in my vocabulary, so you are actually
>> saying you agree with me? :-
SL> No, OS does not equal software. The same software on 6 different
SL> OSs could yield 6 different levels of performance base
Friday, October 29, 1999, 1:37:24 AM, Thomas wrote:
> They have to breath, wehtehr they want to or not. They don't have to
> use comptuers - "we" want them to. For commercial, political, or other
> reasons. The bone won't walk to the dog. (German saying, meaning if
> you want to sell something, yo
Hi Steve,
on Friday, October 29, 1999, 12:04:47 AM GMT+0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Why? Even if this was meant to offend computers (which it wasn't), why
>> do you take it personally?
SL> Because it is an attack on those who don't find computers in that manner.
I don't feel it that way. Hmm
Hi Ali,
on Thursday, November 04, 1999, 10:46:34 AM GMT+0800, Ali Martin wrote:
AM> On Wednesday, November 03, 1999, 9:32:30 PM (-5 GMT), Marck scribbled:
>> Okay - I have to wield the big stick. This OT conversation has been
>> fascinating but I am going to have to ask Kevin and Steve to c
Hello,
On jeudi 4 novembre 1999, someone (you) said :
>> Bashing NT has nothing to do with this mailing list or what this
>> thread started out about (though about 90% of your messages seem to
>> end up going in that direction).
SL> It wasn't bashing NT. It was pointing out a very *VALID*
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