Hello
I'm using a redefined legend and within this there is a line:
...{\size[\thsizem]\si\the\cartotitle:
\ss\the\cartoteam\quad\size[\thsizem]{\copyright\thinspace\si\the\cartodate\par}}...
The variable \thsizem is defined within the layout:
... code-tex ...
\def\thsizem{36}
... endcode ...
Hi all
I have a problem (again) with water depth in the map (elevated view).
Exporting the xvi file it looks all good and all points are at the expected
depth.
(as the grid in xtherion should be 1m per square)
This point in the following picture is around 1.2km inside the cave and is at a
water
Hi all
Is it possible to export a kml file from the survey data including the LRUD
data?
I use this code to get a kml file which is only the survey line then:
export model -fmt kml -o filename.kml
But what I want to get is a kml like the xvi file where you have not only the
line plot but a
Hi Daniel
I had the same problem with my survey.
I can't remember if it only was this one thing but I had to add following line
into centerline data:
infer plumbs on
You can give it a try. ;-)
regards, Torsten
> Daniel Chailloux hat am 25.08.2022 08:51 CEST
> geschrieben:
>
>
>
> Hi,
Hi Anton
I'm using following format for diving surveys and don't get this
"non-interleaved" message.
data diving from to length compass backcompass fromdepth todepth left right up
down
1 2 5.37 308 - 0.0 1.5 [ 1.0 1.0] [ 1.0 1.0] [ 1.0 1.0] [ 1.0 1.0]
I'm using LRUD like above wit
Hi Bill
May be you are looking for this ... !?
cheers,
Torsten
> -- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --
> Von: Bill Gee
> An: therion@speleo.sk
> Datum: 14.08.2019 23:38
> Betreff: Re: [Therion] How to calculate the volume of a cave
>
>
> Update: After poking around a bit, I discover
ity. Shouldn’t it be calibrate
> fromdepth todepth 4 -1 ?
>
> Martin S.
>
>
> > > 30. 9. 2021 v 12:59, Torsten Schnitter
> mailto:torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de >:
> >
> > Due to the different waterlevel there is a differ
Hello List
As mentioned in my post before, sometimes I need to do a resurvey.
As the cave is an underwater cave and therefore the waterlevel can change I
need to "correct" the depth readings.
E.g.:
The initial survey was done and the water depth at the start station was -5m at
this time.
The re
:46
> geschrieben:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > 29. 9. 2021 v 16:57, Torsten Schnitter
> mailto:torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de >:
> >
> > Of course you have to start at a well known station and also end at
> > a well know s
assuming you need entire
> centerline including splay shots to draw a map. Could you please describe
> your workflow in detail to consider an appropriate solution?
>
> Thanks, S.
>
> On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 14:01, Torsten Schnitter
> mailto:torsten.schnit..
Hi List
Is there an option to exclude some parts of a line in a XVI export?
It also should be exluded from all calculations of course as it is dupclicated
survey.
I couldn't find something for this in the Therion book.
E.g. with using flags for groups of data or anything else?
I would like to pre
Thanks a lot for these examples and explanation.
Now I got it to work. :-)
(you never stop learning about Therion...)
This last article from Marco is realy worth a read.
Great stuff!
cheers,
Torsten
> Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion hat am 28.06.2021 10:17
> geschrieben:
>
>
> > You are ri
Hi
I'm using for that purpose:
flags duplicate
Or is there a reason not using this for that?
regards,
Torsten
> Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion hat am 16.08.2020 22:49
> geschrieben:
>
>
> > hopefully someone can give me an idea, what I have to do in therion,
> > when I have a point station,
Hi Roger
I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")
Just a guess...
cheers,
Torsten
> Roger Schuster hat am 13. April 2020 um 19:00
> geschrieben:
>
> Hello again,
:
>
> Hi Torsten,
>
> With this thconfig it works on mac.
>
> Best,
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > On 5 Dec 2019, at 08:51, Torsten Schnitter via Therion <
> therion@speleo
re correct, as long as you input the georeferenced survey in the top
> level directory you can toggle any output on and off with select in the
> survey structure.
>
> I had a quick look at your files and struggled a bit with the structure,
> I will try and work
he system, have you cut out a fixed point for the kml. This is
> a problem I have found when doing part of a system.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Torsten Schnitter via Therion
>
> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 1:35 PM
>
> To: therion@speleo.sk m
Hello
I have some problems with exporting a kml file and I wonder what I'm doing
wrong.
I'm using Therion 5.4.4 (2019-05-01) on Windows 7.
Aim is to just get the survey lines from a part of the cave system into a kml
file.
In the thconfig file I select several lines with the "select command".
(
Hi Alastair
Thank you very much for your clarification on that toppic.
Now I got it to work. :-) Hooray!
This is my actual TEXINPUTS:
TEXINPUTS = $TEXMF/tex;T:/Survey;.;
Before the above I had this (which was not working):
TEXINPUTS = $TEXMF/tex;T:/Survey//;.;
Somewhere I read this // at the end
code tex-map
> \legendbox{00} {140} {nw} {\loadpicture{/TCP.png}}
> endcode
>
>
> Regards,
> Alastair Gott.
>
> alastairg...@hotmail.com,
> M: 07931779380.
>
>
> -----
> From:
this thread is rambling around topics that bear little
> relation to the original message.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: Therion On Behalf Of Torsten Schnitter
> via Therion
> Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 23:33
> To: List for Therion u
Hi
I got the answer for rotation XVI file already from Stephen Clark.
In the end it's easy and as Alastair also mentioned:
export map -fmt xvi -proj [elevation 45 deg] -o
Concerning the questions from Bruce:
1. Ground profile
You have to export a kml file from your passages. But only these s
Hello
I have a cave system in a plan view and also an elevation view from the main
passage. This main passage is heading west-east.
Both maps are compiled into one final map.
(http://www.thehiddenriverproject.org/downloads/Reseau_de_lOuysse_Copyright.pdf)
Beside that I would like to add a side pa
Hi all
You can use relatives paths like that:
..\top-folder\
.\sub-folder\
..\ means one folder level higher (..\..\is like to folder levels up)
.\means actual working folder
If you have your project files at the same level like a folder for your
tex/metapost code like this:
Therion-
Hi Andrew
I had a similar problem some time ago and build my own solution for that.
Maybe this works for you as well.
Maybe a bit complex but for me it works...
I put northarrow, scalebar, legendcontent and legendsymbols into a seperate .th
file (you'll find attached as examples).
Inside your co
Hm... maybe changing the sequence of the two maps !?
Torsten
> Am 26.07.2019 um 17:07 schrieb Bill Gee :
>
> Hello everyone -
>
> I seem to be missing something. I have made this work in the past, but now
> it seems that Therion is totally ignoring my instructions. Argh!
>
> I have a part o
rieben:
>
> There is free and multiplatform OpenOffice. Have you tried your macro in
> OO!
>
> Martin
>
> Odesláno z iPhonu
>
> 7. 1. 2019 v 11:53, Torsten Schnitter via Therion < therion@speleo.sk
> mailto:therion@speleo.sk >:
>
>
> &
Hi Marco
I have an excel macro tool which I use for such tasks.
I have done this for my own and I'm using this Excel tool as my "database" for
survey data.
You can import different formats like compass, walls, therion, mnemo,
pockettopo into Excel.
And you can export to formats for Therion, Wal
Hi
I'm using Therion 5.4.1+3bee73c on Windows 7.
But also tested with 5.4.1+975063a and same.behaviour
Every time when I click on "Compile" (or use F9 instead) the window from
Therion get's a bit smaller in size (up down direction).
Is there a fix for that?
regards,
Torsten
stations, and show the others.
>
>
> Bruce
>
> From: Therion On Behalf Of Torsten Schnitter via
> Therion
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:54
> To: therion@speleo.sk
> Cc: Torsten Schnitter
> Subject: [Therion] mark [(Station list)]
>
>
Hi
Can sombody explain what the switch:
mark [(station list)]
from the command centreline does!?
As one of the following ist allowed:
temporary (default)
painted
natural
fixed
I can't find an example and therefore do not understand the meaning of this
switch.
Thanks!
regards,
Torsten
__
Hi Bruce
I'm using Windows 7 (64bit).
Normally and right now I just used a double click to open the ini files.
The default is notepad.exe to open these files.
This editor does not show the line feeds in a correct way.
I now tested it with following programms:
- Visual Studio Code
- Notepad++
- Ul
ll the help and sorry for my confusion with the loop closure
method.
regards,
Torsten
> Martin Sluka via Therion hat am 3. November 2018 um 12:44
> geschrieben:
>
>
>
> > > 3. 11. 2018 v 11:30, Torsten Schnitter via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk ma
2018 um 16:27
> geschrieben:
>
> Thorsten
>
> have you try both loop closure methods - Therion’s and Survex’s?
>
> Martin S.
>
>
>
> > > 1. 11. 2018 v 16:09, Torsten Schnitter via Therion <
> therion@spel
u try both loop closure methods - Therion’s and Survex’s?
>
> Martin S.
>
>
>> 1. 11. 2018 v 16:09, Torsten Schnitter via Therion :
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I figuered out the problem and may be there is a bug in loop closure... or
>> somewhere else.
>>
Hi all
I have a under water cave survey and all the data is done with depth
measurements.
So the Z coordinates are absolute and the survey is not with clino data.
The cave starts at one point and after roughly 800m you have another surface
point.
When I compile the data I get a strange behaviou
Hi Martin
May be you are missing a "break" between the red and the green scraps in your
map definition !?
But if you have a closer look to the lines you can see the normal and thicker
light grey lines from the green scrap below the red scrap.
On top of that there is a additional thinner black l
Hi List
I'm using this data lines for survey:
data normal from to left right up down tape compass backcompass clino backclino
In general all data is available, but in some point I have some missing data
like LRUD, Compass/Backcompass or Clino/Backclino.
When I have missing LRUD data or missing b
Ups, sorry:
Bruce
> Torsten Schnitter via Therion hat am 28. Mai 2018 um
> 10:12 geschrieben:
>
>
> Hi Brus
>
> To switch off a symbol in the legend box just add a line to your thconfig
> file with "empty" text for that symbol:
> te
Hi Brus
To switch off a symbol in the legend box just add a line to your thconfig file
with "empty" text for that symbol:
text en line border ""
Torsten
> Bruce Mutton via Therion hat am 28. Mai 2018 um 09:48
> geschrieben:
>
>
> It’s winter here so I’m drawing maps…
>
>
>
>
>text es "point water-flow:permanent" "curso de agua permanente"
>text es "point water-flow:intermittent" "curso de agua temporal"
>
> Regards,
>
> Evaristo
>
>
> El 08/05/2018 a las 8:56, Torsten
Hi
I'm trying to rename a text in the legend.
All parts are working except one: point water-flow
Within thconfig I use this:
text es "point water-flow" "flujo de agua"
But the text in the legend is not changing from it's original "curso agua"
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks.
Torsten___
oned above from "vskip1dd" to
"vskip10pt")
Can anyone explain this strange behaviour? Henry!?
Thanks.
Torsten
> Torsten Schnitter via Therion hat am 24. Februar 2018 um
> 18:14 geschrieben:
>
>
> Hi
>
> Can anyone describe how to change the
Hi
Can anyone describe how to change the vertical distance between the symbol
boxes inside the legend symbols?
I asume it should be done somehow within this code (or not?):
code tex-map
\def\legendsymbolswidth1{18 cm}
\def\legendsymbolbox#1#2{
\setbox\tmpboxa=\hbox{\pdfrefxform#1
ssible to send the “Cave” to you directly? Then it works probably
> and the conversation is in german J Then need you email.
>
>
> Von: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] Im Auftrag von Torsten
> Schnitter via Therion
> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2017 13:16
> An
Hi Markus
Changing text in legend should work with (in your config file):
Text en „line handrail“ „text you want“
„En“ is depending on your choice of language. May be you are using „de“!?
Cheers,
Torsten
> Am 30.12.2017 um 12:59 schrieb Markus Boldt via Therion :
>
> Hi Martin,
> looks like a go
Hi Bill
I have done that. Somewhat complicated but it works (for me).
Following just as an example to get an idea about it.
I also seperated scalebar, northarrow, legendcontent and legendsymbols from
each other to place them at different positions.
You can input the attached .th files in your co
Hi Markus
I'll give it a try for the needed sourcecode:
within your config file and layout definition:
...
text en "area u:specialfill" "your text" % this will show "your
text" in the legend
...
code metapost
...
def a_u_specialfill (expr p) =
T:=identity;
thfill p
gt; Is that how it works?
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Torsten
> Schnitter via Therion
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 August 2017 9:55 PM
> To: List for Therion users
> Cc: Torsten Schnitter
>
Hi
As I was told by a grafic designer problem 1 is just visible on the
screen/monitor.
When printing to a plotter there are no white lines anymore.
I do have the same problem on the screen. But when plotting there are really no
white lines anymore.
Cheers,
Torsten
> Am 14.08.2017 um 19:04 sch
1500"
Btw:
The number itself is also to big after changing base-scale.
It doesn't fit into the frame anymore.
regards,
Torsten
> Torsten Schnitter via Therion hat am 5. Juli 2017 um
> 12:51 geschrieben:
>
>
> Hi
>
> I observed a strange behavior of &quo
Hi
I observed a strange behavior of "point passage-height" or better let's say of
it's symbol size in legend.
Using scale and base-scale in layout with different numbers the size of the
symbol is changing in size and shouldn't.
Other symbols like e.g. water flow don't behave like this.
They don'
Hi
I'm wondering if it's possible to draw a frame around e.g. a legendbox or any
other box?
(I'm not talking about the frame around all the map which you can get with e.g.
\framethickness=1mm)
In layout I'm using code like this:
\def\maplayout{
...
\legendbox{0}{0}{NE}{\legendsymbols}
ave tried, I was not able to reproduce your
> problem. Could you please post some small sample, where this behavior occurs?
>
> Thanks, S.
>
> On 15 February 2017 at 11:09, Torsten Schnitter via Therion
> mailto:therion@speleo.sk > wrote:
>
> > >
Hi Andrew
Just as an idea put in a blank as station description:
station 0 " " entrance
I think I had a similar problem like that. But may be I remember not correct.
regards,
Torsten
> Andrew Atkinson via Therion hat am 9. Januar 2017 um
> 12:54 geschrieben:
>
>
> Page 17 of the Therion
nd for this?
regards,
Torsten
> Martin Sluka via Therion hat am 13. Dezember 2016 um
> 09:25 geschrieben:
>
> Therion is a big black box full of such small surprises! ;)
>
> m.
>
>
>
> > > 13. 12. 2016 v 8:02, Torsten Schnitter via Ther
> 18:56 geschrieben:
>
> Maybe stupid question, but have you checked scale and base-scale in
> layout?
>
> m.s.
>
>
> > > 12. 12. 2016 v 17:38, Torsten Schnitter via Therion
> mailto:therion@speleo.sk >:
> >
> >
>
Hi all
I have a question concerning customizing text labels.
Drawing a map with scale 1:250 is ok. Just some points a very small on the map.
Therefore I would like to resize these points and make them bigger.
For example:
"point x y passage-height -value [- 10 m]" generates the wanted symbol, a
Hi
I have a question about "cavedepth" and propbably need some help as I can't
figure out the problem.
My complete survey is about underwater cave passages.
Therfore I have an option inside every survey and centerline which is
"calibrate depth 0 -1".
All survey are with "data diving station dep
Hi
I would suggest to use a dash (-) for missing data.
This differs to a measured distance of 0.
cheers,
Torsten
> "Christian RöÃler (Roessler)" hat am 3. Mai 2016
> um 12:29 geschrieben:
>
>
> Hallo everyone,
>
> I have another little problem: I am entering LRUD data of my last mine
> sur
Hallo Naomi
If you have defined a map with both of the scraps try to change the order of
the scraps in the map definition.
Best,
Torsten
> Am 31.03.2016 um 19:04 schrieb Naomi :
>
> Hi,
>
> I am new therion user - hello everybody :-)
>
> I have a "bad scrap overlay" problem in a cave passage.
cavename, cavedepth etc.
But thanks for your advice on that. ;-)
cheers,
Torsten
> Martin Sluka hat am 12. Januar 2016 um 10:19
> geschrieben:
>
>
>
> > 12. 1. 2016 v 8:56, Torsten Schnitter :
> >
> > def s_scalebar
>
> Please, RTFTBF (read that fâ¦
inal Scale = 1 : " & decimal round(Scale*100))
> scaled 5.6, (.6cm,-1.6cm)) transformed T;
> endgroup;
> enddef;
>
> I never found a way of making this stuff bigger so that you can print it out
> on a large banner. Each element has to be tweaked.
>
> He
Hello again
Recently I asked how to change size of legendsymbols.
Henry helped on this. Thanks again Henry.
Now my question is how to resize scalebar.
I'm using "Scalebar 2" from this metapost code
http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/metapost?s[]=scalebar
As I'm no pro in Metapost or Texcode I
s works for me for virtually all the symbols except for passage height
> which needs some additional thought.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Henry Bennett
>
> -Original Message-
> From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On
> Behalf
> Of Torst
Hi
I'm wondering if it's possible to change the size of the legendsymbols and it's
text in a simple way.
Does anyone have an idea?
Within the layout passage in the th-config file I use a separate legendbox for
just the legendsymbols:
...
\legendbox{10}{10}{SE}{\legendsymbols}
...
\legendsymbols i
Hi
I'm not really sure but try inside layout definition:
map-header-bg on
cheers,
Torsten
> rowena hat am 22. April 2015 um 11:53 geschrieben:
>
>
> The Atlas option worked.
>
>
>
> "you could position your header/legend over top of your dummy map and turn
> on the header background to hi
31. März 2015 um 15:32
> geschrieben:
>
>
> Sorry, but I donât understand this
>
> (If I select these lines in the config file instead of the map it's working as
> expected and the xvi-file contains just selected lines)
>
> m.
>
>
> > 31. 3
Hi Martin
I did specify a map and selected this map for the export.
But the export does contain all surveys and not only the survey I specified in
the map.
Torsten
> Martin Sluka hat am 31. März 2015 um 14:54
> geschrieben:
>
>
>
> > 30. 3. 2015 v 14:35, Torsten Schni
Hi all
Some time ago I asked a question on this list but didn't get a solution.
So I would like to try again. Or does nobody else have this problem?
Qustion/problem is:
I'm using Therion 5.3.16 on Windows.
I have a problem with exporting the xvi-files.
In the documentation it's written that you
ve.
Anybody any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Concerning question two:
Are there any plans for future releases to have a option for xvi exports like:
âdisable splay-shots ?
Thanks,
Torsten
> "Vasily Vl. Suhachev" hat am 2. März 2015 um 15:23
> geschrieben:
>
>
> H
Hi all
I'm using Therion 5.3.16 on Windows.
I have a problem with exporting the xvi-files.
In the documentation it's written that you can have maps consisting of surveys.
And so I did.
I built a map with projection plan containing just surveys (some surveylines).
In the config-file I selected thi
Hi all
I have changed the definition from area blocks and inserted a variable
"distance" like in the example "AREA BLOCK + density adjust (distance) Stefan
Oswald" you can find here:
http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/metapost?s[]=area&s[]=blocks&s[]=density#cave_symbol_size_and_density_exampl
Hi
I'm using Therion 5.3.15 on Windows 7 (64bit).
While inserting different things in a .th2 file using the map editor I get very
often thinks like:
"point 2428.81997 1966.9900..."
But not all point are in this format. Some of them are in a "normal" 2 decimals
form.
May be there i
Hi
Your thc-files should begin and end with following:
layout xyz
code metapost
...metapost code...
endcode
endlayout
then you can use
"input ..\...thc"
AND
"copy xyz" at the right place within the thconfig file.
(for me it does work)
cheers,
Torsten
> Bill Gee hat am 11. November 2014 um 16:
Hi all
I'm using passage-height:negative points as points of waterdepth in a map of a
cave.
How can I use the most negative number in code tex-map ... endcode section?
Is it possible at all?
I would like to print the maximum waterdepth into the legend of a map.
But I don't want to use any kind o
HI Alvaro
If I got your question right you should try
"symbol-hide line survey"
in your thconfig file.
Cheers,
Torsten
> Alvaro Iribarren hat am 20. Mai 2014 um 10:10
> geschrieben:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm newbie using therion and i have any questions :
>
> - What is the basic steps to create a d
t; >
> > Or you could add a (manual) map-comment to the header "maximum depth: 20m"
> >
> > Another idea, therion may store variables that define the maximum
> > coordinate
> > range. If so, then it would simply be a matter of a small metapost to
> > re
Hi all
I'm wondering a bit about the results from the variable \cavedepth.
May be it's not correct this way or I do have a different understanding and
someone can explain to me why it is this way.
I'm drawing a map (with scraps, points, walls etc) containing just a sidepassage
of the entire caves
Did you change to "All files (*.*)" in the open dialog?
For me it works with no problems to open files without extension.
(I'm using Therion 5.3.11 and Windows version)
Torsten
Marco Corvi hat am 7. Januar 2013 um 10:41
geschrieben:
> this is just a minor nuisance,
>
> i noticed that when i wan
Cheers,
Torsten
Martin Sluka hat am 4. Januar 2013 um 18:06
geschrieben:
>
> On Jan 4, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Torsten Schnitter
> wrote:
>
> > Hopefully it's clear what my problem is!?
> > So what I'm doing wrong?
>
> Doesn't matter, the exported map will have a
Hi all
In the Therion book is written:
"All data are relative to survey station positions. If the coordinates of survey
stations are
changed in the process of loop closure, then all relevant data is moved
correspondingly,
so the map is always up-to-date."
I have a complete cave survey with a .th
Hi JP
Try "units imperial".
Best,
Torsten
McLendonJP at aol.com hat am 27. Juni 2012 um 14:23 geschrieben:
> Graham,
> I've got the centerline and LRUD data all together in the same block, as in
> "data normal station left right up down newline length compass clino" and
> immediately before
12 10:24, Martin Sluka <mailto:martinsluka at mac.com> > wrote:
> > On 5.5.2012, at 9:51, Torsten Schnitter wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any possibility now to get such numbers or is it an option for a
> > > future
> > > release? > > You may gene
t am 4. Mai 2012 um 17:27
geschrieben:
> Hi, search in TherionBook for point height or point passage-height. Depth can
> be specified with negative value.
>
> L.
>
> 2012/5/4 Torsten Schnitter <mailto:torsten.schnitter at netcologne.de> >
> > Hello
> >
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Hello
I'm wondering if there will be a "point depth" in future releases!?
It's very common to put some numbers in a map witch have a horizontal line on
top on it.
This represents the depth of a cave at this point.
Or did I missed it and it's already implemented anyhow?
best,
Torsten
Hi Bruce
I used "page-grid on" in the layout for map export to check what I'll get with
atlas output.
As I switched it off again I got what I expected to get. The map is in full size
without that space around.
On the atlas output I could arrange the map with "origin" as I would like to
have it.
B
Hi Bruce
Yes, I'm using export map.
"page-grin on" and "size x y cm" is just used for debugging.
Attached you'll find my map.
As you can see there is plenty of space around the map.
May be it's more clear what I mean if you can see it. ;-)
I want the map to be more lower left in the same scale.
Hi folks
Is there any possibility to position the map on a different point on the output
paper?
Or can you resize the output in a way that not so many white spaces around the
map is print?
I'll try to describe my problem:
I'm using:
export map -fmt pdf -proj plan ... -layout ...
In the layout:
Hi List
I'm new to the list.
My name is Torsten Schnitter and I'm from Germany.
Now my first question on the list:
Is there any possibility to sort the "Topoteam" in alphabetic order instead of
sorting by the length of surveyed passages?
I don't want to override the
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