Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread chris
I'm going to repeat myself. Calling it GNU/Linux has nothing to do with the software. It has to do with the freedom. If your even considering the components your missing the point of calling it GNU/Linux in the first place. “Linux” follows a different ideology than GNU. GNU follows the free

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread chris
Be careful what you say. Read and re-read the FSF site. None of us are perfect. RMS isn't either. We should all ask questions, think, and evaluate the answers for ourselves. RMS and the FSF have many bright people who have thought long and hard about these issues. More so than anybody else.

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread chris
Trisquel is not basing Ubuntu off a “non-free” distribution. Trisquel is based off a distribution which has included non-free software without the non-free components. To add to this Ubuntu, LinuxMint, and other distributions are made almost of entirely free software. Trisquel is not promot

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread onpon4
I have in the past considered calling GNU/Linux "GNU/X/Linux", to reflect what people like about the OS better while still keeping it recognizable, mostly because you have people saying "most people don't care about the low-level stuff that is GNU". Of course, my retort to that would be that

Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF giving away Trisquel GNU/Linux installers at Win 8 launch

2012-10-29 Thread onpon4
No one is forced to use Windows 8, they just think that they are because they're ignorant.

Re: [Trisquel-users] SCALE 11x GNU\Linux Conference happening Feb 22 -- 24

2012-10-29 Thread chris
There is a small chance I'd go. Mention it to me when it gets closer. I'd be flying in from the other side of the country. I'd need time to get tickets. Bring it up 3-4 weeks before the conference.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Creating an USB Pen of Trisquel 4.0.1 Taranis

2012-10-29 Thread chris
I don't think that will work. It's for a CD and the distribution then downloads from the net. It can be installed to a pendrive like any other version though. Burn it to a CD first and then run the installation. Select the USB device as the device you would like to install to. Also install

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-29 Thread chris
I wish this site would go away. It's old. Using the word open is undesirable. The project was a good effort with good intent. Desire might start something. However money tends to keep things going. This project was not good at public relations and had insufficient publicity. I also didn't lik

Re: [Trisquel-users] Natty now unsupported. Trisquel 5.0 users should upgrade soon.

2012-10-29 Thread chris
Rubén mainly selects certain Ubuntu packages and customizes them (configures them) to work with free software systems. Don't mistake this for being a worthless effort though. It's an extremely time consuming effort. However it is nothing compared to reverse engineering hardware in order to pr

Re: [Trisquel-users] User Account Pictures in Trisquel 5.5

2012-10-29 Thread matt . ivie
gnome doesn't want to install because ekiga won't install and ekiga won't install because libopal won't install and libopal won't install because libcapi won't install. Any ideas on that one?

[Trisquel-users] Re : User Account Pictures in Trisquel 5.5

2012-10-29 Thread magicbanana
The command used to be called "gnome-about-me" in GNOME 2... but it disappeared with GNOME 3.

[Trisquel-users] Re : GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread magicbanana
There is another one, which is *the* GNU/Linux distribution for very old computers: ConnochaetOS. Although the FSF does not list it among the free distros (yet?), one can read on the main page of the website: The Free Software Foundation examined every package very closely and said, that we m

[Trisquel-users] Re : GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread magicbanana
I do not think it is vague. It is, however, defined negatively: "with no external constraint/control". Many people wrongly think that "freedom" means "doing whatever you want" though...

Re: [Trisquel-users] User Account Pictures in Trisquel 5.5

2012-10-29 Thread aliasbody
Well the icon changer is here: gnome-control-center > Users Account > (Click on the Picture). Nothing more to do here :s... maybe you lack some important packages. Try to do this. sudo apt-get install gnome gnome-shell just to see if anything is missing. Hope this helped :D

Re: [Trisquel-users] User Account Pictures in Trisquel 5.5

2012-10-29 Thread matt . ivie
Does anyone know what application is supposed to launch when you select the User Account Picture? Also, when you select "Network Settings" from the network icon nothing happens. Is it possible that there is a permissions problem somewhere?

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread viniciussm
I think they understand it as free of taxes (Livre de impostos) or free to share (liberdade de compartilhar) and assume the latter is free of charge aswell. Just my guess. I think you could ask them. Freedom (or liberdade) is a very vague word by itself though.

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread aliasbody
This is actually something that I don't understand to be honest... When I talk in Portuguese about Free Software saying "Free Software", people understand it as free in free beer. So to avoid this situation I say "Software Livre" or "Sistema Operativo Livre" instead of "Free Operating Syste

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread icarolongo
I prefer say only "Trisquel. One free operating system with GNU and Linux". I rarely say GNU/Linux, the most of times I use "free operating system". In Portuguese is more easy say this because "free operating system" ("sistema operacional livre" in portuguese) is only for freedom, but unfortu

Re: [Trisquel-users] Natty now unsupported. Trisquel 5.0 users should upgrade soon.

2012-10-29 Thread icarolongo
Old packages and releases: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread aliasbody
Oh right ! I didn't remember about that one ! (Mainly because I couldn't get it to install using a USB Pen... need to give it a try again). Sorry about that :S..

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread gustavo_cm
Every Gnu/Linux Only Free Distributions are based on others Distributions that support and propose non-free software [...] No, no! There is Dragora, which is not based in any other GNU/Linux distribution – which puts its main (and sole) developer, Matías, in a hard situation.

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread tegskywalker
I'm really excited to see how Wayland turns out and when Ubuntu makes the switch. I also see it is under a MIT license like X.Org.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Natty now unsupported. Trisquel 5.0 users should upgrade soon.

2012-10-29 Thread tegskywalker
The reality is that Trisquel relies on the Ubuntu base for the security and general package updates. It is hard enough for Trisquel to be maintained with the current setup and if the Trisquel team were to go to Debian and take the update pack route like with Linux Mint Debian, the workload wo

Re: [Trisquel-users] Natty now unsupported. Trisquel 5.0 users should upgrade soon.

2012-10-29 Thread aliasbody
I know that. I was just saying that if it was a way to help improving the drivers in order o replace them from the original kernel, then "maybe" without those having to be removed from the original kernel in order to create the Linux-Libre Kernel we would have more support, and thanks to that

[Trisquel-users] Re : Natty now unsupported. Trisquel 5.0 users should upgrade soon.

2012-10-29 Thread magicbanana
I really do not understand the link between "extending the support for a Trisquel version" (the topic of this thread) and "developing/improving the drivers in Linux-libre" (the topic you are bringing with your last post). Besides, the various 100% free distributions do not divide the work on

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread aliasbody
It is the usual case. The principles get forgotten in the corner of the brain when a new shinny thing appears, and a lot of points are unknown from the public (even from those interested in the question). I am saying this but I'm probably the worst since I defend an idea with (for me) still a

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread gustavo_cm
Before proceeding, you should read ALL of this: https://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html Now lets analyze some of your sayings (which, to those who not realize it, are actions – mainly psychological ones). (non-native English almost-speaker here; I'll do my best) Many distros are not br

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-29 Thread aliasbody
Excellent but quite expensive :S... I love the way the informations are given to the user, I can actually see every important fact about the hardware before buying it. I'm saying this because there is something that I hate about those kind of websites (and it is the same about thinkpenguin, s

Re: [Trisquel-users] Natty now unsupported. Trisquel 5.0 users should upgrade soon.

2012-10-29 Thread aliasbody
I totally understand that but I'm pretty sure that this situation won't change in the short time. We have a small community of people that really care about free software, this little community is divided over the small amount of Free Distributions (available on the FSF website for download).

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-29 Thread pascal
What do you think about open-pc ? http://open-pc.com

Re: [Trisquel-users] Natty now unsupported. Trisquel 5.0 users should upgrade soon.

2012-10-29 Thread magicbanana
What blocks is the manpower. Clearly, Trisquel cannot maintain a whole repository by itself (e.g., applying security patches and repackaging the result).

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread aliasbody
I totally agree with you in that point. Every Gnu/Linux Only Free Distributions are based on others Distributions that support and propose non-free software (in the installation of by activating it on the repositories). Comparing a distribution like Trisquel to Linux Mint allows us to under

Re: [Trisquel-users] Natty now unsupported. Trisquel 5.0 users should upgrade soon.

2012-10-29 Thread aliasbody
Even if Ubuntu 11.04 isn't supported anymore that doesn't mean that users from Triquel 5.0 should make the jump to 5.5 too. I mean, I don't know the support calendar for Trisquel Distributions, but even if the "base" is not supported anymore nothing is blocking us (or better, Rúben) to contin

[Trisquel-users] Natty now unsupported. Trisquel 5.0 users should upgrade soon.

2012-10-29 Thread tegskywalker
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/ubuntu-11-04-support-ends-today October 28th marked the day that Ubuntu 11.04, the first release to introduce Unity, will no longer recieve support from Canonical. In return, there will be no more package updates for it and its deriatives (like Trisquel) fro

[Trisquel-users] Re : GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread magicbanana
Wayland 1.0 has recently been released. In a few years, it will hopefully replace X.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-29 Thread tegskywalker
Doesn't matter as Abrowser (Firefox), Chromium, and Midori are better browsers with the option to disable JavaScript there. Plus there are the extensions for the Firefox and Chromium based browsers that let you do what you want with them. Epiphany is a wannabe browser.

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-29 Thread Bradley
Yeah, Chris has some valid points for the OP, here's a couple of other things to consider, however. Many distros are not branded as GNU/Linux, and although RMS has issues with that, most of us are okay with it, since it rolls off the tongue easier (Not to mention Linus Torvalds' take on the

[Trisquel-users] Creating an USB Pen of Trisquel 4.0.1 Taranis

2012-10-29 Thread aliasbody
Hello Everyone, I am trying to use Trisquel 4.0.1 as a Home Server (I wanted to have something only LTS on that one until Trisquel 6 LTS is out). And to do so I was trying to create a USB Pen using DD from the terminal (like I always do). But using this method the Trisquel NetInstall won't

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-29 Thread aliasbody
Now I understand the "libre" subdomain ! Thank you for the informations :D Just one question (sorry for asking all this), is your server on top of Trisquel or on Top of another Gnu/Linux Distribution ? After this ARM problem I wanted to buy a cheap server with domain where I could start worki

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-29 Thread pascal
I intended to buy one...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-29 Thread Michał Masłowski
>>> Lemote YeeLoong with a Loongson 2F CPU which has no nonfree >>> software more > modifiable than the EC firmware. > What's a EC firmware ? EC is an embedded controller, these are responsible for laptop charging and suspend. There are more details on the one used in OLPC http://wiki.laptop.or

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-29 Thread pascal
Right, bios ... i forgot this ... Thanks for all this information. I'm a beginner yet, and problems with bios, cpu microcode, ... nonfree are stupids problems (as for everyone). For a beginner who's not understand everything, is a bit complicate. But i would to know more about specifics nonfre

Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF giving away Trisquel GNU/Linux installers at Win 8 launch

2012-10-29 Thread mikko . viinamaki
>Linux GNU/Linux

Re: [Trisquel-users] Can't send E-mails from Gmail using E-mail clients on our network

2012-10-29 Thread Red Baptist
On Sun, 2012-10-28 at 21:19 +0100, onpon4 wrote: > I'm starting to migrate to Lavabit and I'm interested in other suggestions > for E-mail providers. You can try out riseup.net. -- Sent from Trisquel Gnu/Linux https://trisquel.info Red Baptist Blog: http://redbaptist.parlementum.net Microblo