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you should return to trisquel too, I think i will as well.

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you should return to trisquel too. we all should.

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I missed his post the first time too. So looks like trisquel is alive and well.

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yes getting all the forum posters here to use it is the first step haha.

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I can't even convince fsf ones :(

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if thats the case you might have to switch to chromium or firefox. rest of the system should get security patches till 2019 I would think.

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what do you mean no security updates? It just gets them a day late, its good till 2019. I used to just wait a day to use trisquel if it was serious then update the next day. Go to https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/ and then compare your version of the file.or apt log if it applies to

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At least if you use Guix (no need to use the entire GuixSD), GNU IceCat has a beta update to version 45, see: and also . I'm using it now, with GNU

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This is a useful tip! Thank you.

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Right now, I think Abrowser is getting updates. But IceCat is based on the outdated and unsupported Firefox 38, and hasn't received an update in 5 months. So don't use IceCat. You could probably replicate the privacy features in Abrowser with extensions and changes in about:config. Also, if

Re: [Trisquel-users] I'm leaving Trisquel

thats crazy.

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if you say so.

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There are times when Abrowser doesn't receive security updates for months.

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^ exactly.

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you can't use ppa's with debian. usually doesn't work right.

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debian stable is no different.

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You go here man, and verify you get the updated package a day later. https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/

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abrowser is fkn awesome.

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https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/

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basing it on debian would defeat the purpose of trisquel, why not just use debian like you already do?

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haha crazy this thread to turned into fixing a bug, I skipped over the FSF philosophy part. but other then that great thread! I left Trisquel myself a while ago for debian stable. The reason was mostly for steam gaming. I'm not a 100% free only guy sorry. But Trisquel is still good

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Blob is a git-related term: https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Internals-Git-Objects

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Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301 USA Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed.

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Cheers to that! I am unfortunately very time-poor and absolutely useless at software development and drawing and so on, but I'm happy to offer my services for anything that would need to be done.

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Thanks. I've got my work cut out for me.

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I always mount from bash using it with -ro option. I avoid using the gui which doesn't ask how to mount any drives and exposes me to inadvertently mounting anything in sight. Changing directories with the nautilus gui or from the shell using cd command always works. It is the chdir command

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It is GPL: https://github.com/relan/exfat

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I'll check the licence and see if I can make sense of the source code.

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But fuse-exfat exists, and it is free.

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The commonly available digital camera I have records and deletes and formats the fuse-exFat system reasonably well most of the time. If the code for the exFat system is proprietary, at least the code for accessing the data should be made free. I do not disrespect proprietary formats, but

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Why would you want a read-only version of fuse-exfat if it now supports writing?

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After reviewing the four fundamental freedoms of libre software, from Richard Stallman's 3rd edition, I feel it is a bit of a distraction to see so much being made about Trisquel being behind other distros. If the latest security holes relate to CODECS and conveniences then maybe I am also

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OK, but it's your computer. You do what you like to it.

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https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian

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If I recall virt-manager is available. This is easier to use in my opinion than qemu manager (from which I could never manage to launch VMs). I think with Wine you should install the latest version anyway as support keeps improving even for old programs. This is a problem with Trisquel too

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I don't use wine. I prefer whiskey. In 18 months of Debian stable Xfce (first 7 and then 8) I had 0 bugs on 7 and 2 bugs on 8 (tumbler mem leak which is a known Xfce bug, and pulse audio issues easily solved with an apt purge pulseudio). Never a bug, never a crash or whatsoever. Stable and

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Possibly true but there are a few things missing, such as qemu launcher and also, I ran into some buggy irritations with wine and winetricks. And I forget if there is anything else, regardless though, I wonder when trisquel 8 will be out. I imagine near December at worst and at best

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What issues are these? I have always found Debian to work fine whereas Ubuntu-based distributions always have minute problems no one knows how to fix or are not aware of. Usually when people have problems with Debian it is not understanding some option in the installer or not understanding

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I may just return because debian has issues with certain things that trisquel doesn't... also, abrowser I noticed was updated recently, to ver 47... but also, I gave up on trisquel almost too soon... I still had one computer on trisquel right? well both will return to it very soon...

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Debian doesn't have the "Universe"/"Multiverse" distinction. Only main, non-free, and contrib.

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Thanks, looks like one solid way to figure things out. I'll also try to figure out how Debian deals with that (does it have a Universe repo, does it have security updates, what's the point of the Universe repo, etc.)

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VLC and Westnoth may not be the best examples because they do get security updates (An example being VLC version 2.1.6-0ubuntu14.04.2 and Westnoth 1:1.10.7-1ubuntu0.14.04.1, both of are available from security despite living in Universe.) Keep in mind security doesn't mean the latest

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I see, so this weakness is supposed to be counterbalanced with the updates (so non LTS versions). Well, I guess taking into account how few GNU/Linux users exist, a few obscure security breaches isn't as problematic as more juicy targets like Windows and Mac. I mean Trisquel as-is is still

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Maybe it is because Canonical don't make this clear at download, and at any rate a typical first-time user is just going to get on with it and not complain as they might not understand how repositories work or the importance of security updates. I have seen it mentioned a couple of times,

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I see. So basically it's the same as Ubuntu, minus clarification in /etc/apt/sources.list. That means VLC doesn't have updates on Ubuntu either? How come nobody cares on Ubuntu's side? Thanks for the info.

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> Oh, I see. But how can you be sure that it's not only the main repo, and instead a mix of main and universe? Because they are distinct sections in Synaptic package manager. Packages like Wesnoth and VLC are under "universe" (same as in Ubuntu) while packages like GNU Coreutils are under

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I think you still aren't understanding root_vegetable's point. In Ubuntu, there are two repository components consisting of (for the most part) free software, main and universe. These are the components that Trisquel gets its packages from. The distinction between main and universe is that

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Oh, I see. But how can you be sure that it's not only the main repo, and instead a mix of main and universe? What's the proof(s) that main is only main, or some mix up? Not trying to be confrontational btw, just trying to learn how all this works.

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Yes, exactly!

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Yeah, because Trisquel removes the distinction between main and universe and puts everything in main. That's root_vegetable's point.

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Agreed, but I just want to be sure of it. So Ubuntu and Trisquel have both Universe and Main. Universe doesn't have security updates. If true, why keep it? Can I just remove it manually? And if so, It should be a good idea to submit that to the devs. But in my file, I haven't found the word

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What I am saying is that the way that Trisquel puts both "universe" and "main" into a single repository (look at the /etc/apt/sources.list file) that then shows up as "universe" and "main" in Synaptic is strange. We get updates from Ubuntu but it is reliant on Canonical providing updates.

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Is it the same "Universe", or is it just a different naming convention (albeit confusing indeed, if that's the case)? Because one thing is clear, Universe or main, we get updates anyway, if I'm not mistaken. All I found for now is this, which doesn't answer this precisely:

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It's confusing and is not transparent. Security updates also pass by Universe which is bad, especially for servers. So, for instance, VLC might have a permission escalation exploit in its media library but would never get patched.

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I'm not sure I understand : "universe" repo appears in Synaptic in Trisquel while "main" is the one updated in Ubuntu? And you can't know how often the packages are updated? So what? I mean, what's the big deal?

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Some people have mentioned security updates, or rather seemingly lack of them. As far as I can tell you synchronise the packages with Ubuntu according to templates you have created which gets rid of the nonfree packages. However, it isn't clear how often this is done. Another concern is that

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Yes, I relatively agree with you. I was looking for another option to Trisquel like Parabola, it´s rolling release (you don´t have to wait 2 years for a new version like Trisquel) and it has very updated packages + it supports ARM

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Thanks for the pointers Supertramp83, HKR and CentaurX00!

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One thing that was somehow surprising was seeing the wide one-liner in the donation page that represents its history. But that's OK since one can use less to view it instead of gedit. I thought the site used Semantic MediaWiki. But I guess that keeping the current approach is also a good

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I just found the possible cause of the bug. It seems that the donations page has the thousands units separated from the hundreds by a comma (","). It's OK, but if one tries to use this with awk, it doesn't like it and simply discards it. It was quite a puzzle actually, but it came to my

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That copyright file that everybody points to is automatically generated. Of course it couldn't find everything! But now if you now look at the copyright file, located at http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/c/chromium-browser/chromium-browser_51.0.2704.79-1_copyright and

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I tried the update through the configuration panel (Full Trisquel install, only added Gnome Shell). While I didn't have an automatic prompt, it worked that way for me (and on the cli). Outdated packages is "normal", it's part of the bargain. As long as the vital bugs are fixed, it's ok for

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https://hub.docker.com/r/kpengboy/trisquel/

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So is Ubuntu 14.04.

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Trisquel is dying, some bugs still not fixed, autoupdater crashes, some packages are outdated. This is one of the best free software distro, and hope it survives. This is a lot of work for very few persons.

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the goal for trisquel is to get the first position now it is in 89, something has to be done 89 mean nobody use trisquel, even the first isn't much considering the gap between windows and mac os vs gnu/linux and for what I can read, here in the forum very few people use trisquel...we

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great...@riseup.net, Sáb 16 Xul 2016 14:08:12 CEST: Why? the GNU distro that the FSF uses for its servers, that minifree and Thinkpenguin install by default (and that is practically the only distro one can recommend to newbs) - why does it depend on just one single person? Could it really

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"Teaching about freedom is not much use if there is no free OS that people can actually install." I would like to underscore this point. It is basic. I'm a layman; a novice GNU/linux user who supports the premise of libre OS. How can I reach out to friends to tell them about Trisquel, and

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Totally agree, we must have a Trisquel Users Board, as soon as possible...

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You can become a translator by going to the Documentation and clicking on Translate on any of the docs. I'll attach some screenshots so you can see... And if you mean translator for software, since Libre Software is not one but many. You can use these sites for translating programmes

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I know something about regular expression in bash I may say. About the translation how is it done. I mean I can translate the pages I see in site from let's say english to Portuguese ( i may add that Portuguese from Portugal is the real Portuguese wich I speak and write) and too whom I should

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This was also true for me 2001 - 2008 before I knew about the FSF and it's work and didn't have freedom compatible machine. So I began to work my way to freedom. I went Trisquel + non-free kernel for a year, because GPU and WiFi. I then bought a free WiFi, and then finally few years later

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Most gnu/linux users are more interested in getting their hardware to work than in using a totally libre distro.I was like that for the first few years as a gnu/linux user, but now the kernel is so good at supporting hardware, I have not problem. Libre is better.

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If you want to help with development, the documentation is here: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/development-0 And the source code is here: https://devel.trisquel.info/groups/trisquel You can try to get pull requests from git that ruben can import and save him some time, but afaik everything

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I had a very strange dream last night. In my dream people called me senor Robotto and I was a kickass hacker. Last thing I remember before waking up is I was writing the last lines of code for my very special new distro - in the dream I referred to it as Trisquelian9. It was Debian main

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HKR has many great and important points! I used to participate on another GNU/Linux distro earlier, which was even smaller than Trisquel and a one-leader-project. My participation was mainly hanging on the forum and helping people out with their issues, but I also did some packages

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This makes sense. I mean, the alert system should at least not let such lack of updates go unnoticed for too long, but if there's only one maintainer who can intervene, that's indeed a problem. That is, IF that's how it is right now (I have no idea).

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You forgot that the FSF also has to spend a ton of money on union dues. (Rough estimate per worker: https://i.imgur.com/WXj2Hzz.jpg )

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Give me one I and start tranlating to Portuguese this very week. Seriously I want to contribute! I'll send the translation to you as i do it. when we could start?

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Yes, if you can translate into another language some manual it would be cool ! Thinks :-) However I think English manual need major clean up and big reorganization before make new translation.

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In the future I would like to commit to help, but today I think I do not met the prerequisites for what i want in the future: be a developer. I am using gnu/linux about 2/3 years from now and still learning programming language ( I know fair of C, and just started with bash shell). So in

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I'd definitely be down for helping out with Trisquel. I am only a beginner/ intermediate developer and new to Trisquel and GNU/Linix (since last year). Where do i ask?

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I actually posted that prior to reading his response that was kinda lost in the replies. It as in response to your original post. Not that it matters since every time I post, there's always someone there to downvote it and make hidden.

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Rubén does still work in the project, from time to time, but he does. He told me on IRC, and probably told here also, that he does reserve a day to work on the project. Besides, people tend to think that maintaining or even making a free/libre system distribution is such an easy task such as to

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Again, it's not only about normal updates. The default browser wasn't maintained for months, which is a huge problem for unsuspecting users. It seems it's because the automated process was a bit too strict (not a bad thing in itself), and is going to be fixed. And it's been mentioned

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I would agree that he has a life, but I also think Ruben needs more help and quite honestly, I don't know where I would find help. heh.

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Well, if you guys want more peoples work for free to Trisquel,I give you a solution ! Just find gnu/linux developers and convince them to join Trisquel developers team.

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@t3g: I don't think that Ruben is giving us some kind of "attitude" here. It's just that he seems to be a bit overwhelmed and, to be honest, I would definitely feel the same if I were the sole maintainer of such an important distribution. It's not like he let's us all wait on purpose. It's

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So basically the FSF would rather spend its resources in being political than give a helping hand to a distribution that follows their ideals. Shouldn't the deployment and continued growth of free software that you can run freely on your server carry some weight? Especially in modern times

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I can get by in the Tor browser in Ubuntu 16.04 (which doesn't use the Cisco OpenH264) by installing the ffmpeg or libav package. I think it was the same on that Totem had me install when playing an .mp4 file for the first time that used the H.264 video codec.

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I have to agree with the original poster. This distribution peaked around 2010/2011 and hasn't been the same since. It looks worse than before (which can be fixed with MATE if they still want a classic look) and communication between Ruben and the community is at an all time low. He works

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"The fsf receives every year a substantial amount of money as an income." Ha! I don't know which FSF you're looking at. $450,000 (okay, they ended at $461,000 at their last fundraiser)? For a staff of 12 people? That works out to about $38,416 per person. That's not a lot in the U.S. And

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Oh sweet Korean Jesus, complain, complain, complain. "We need a user board," "Ruben should spend more time on Trisquel," "when is 8 coming out," "it's all going downhill," "we need a blog post," yada-yada-yada... This is all stuff we've heard before, discussion about it goes nowhere. We

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Unfortunately I have to say all of you (except Mzee) have failed to see the main *source* of the problem. The problem is not why Ruben invest less time on the project than before, the main problem is *why does Trisquel depend on one person?* I suppose we need something like *Trisquel Users

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You don't need an authorization from somebody to translate the Wiki. You translate it. And if you want, you can ask people on forum to read it again. For the french documentation we use Framavox(loomio) to speak about some manual and other thing like how rewrite the manual in order to avoid

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Thank you very much for taking the time to respond to this thread and also for taking the time to fix the update scripts again. Well done! Maybe, in this context, I should change the title of this thread to something less intimidating in order to continue to enable a fruitful base for

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Today I could dedicate most of my day to Trisquel and fixed some problems with the repo management that were preventing updates to be pushed. I also started to work on fixing the bugs in the Firefox > Abrowser package helper that are preventing new versions of the browser to be published. -

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in the distrowatch is in 89 position, how come the main fsf distro surpassed by some distros that are manteined by a single person in spare time???

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Hi everyone. I'm really new to Trisquel and to Free Software way of life, but during these two weeks with Trisquel Mini I really felt that sense of freedom pople on the internet were talking about. I really like this distribution not just because it has 100% free software, but also because

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Teach about free software and campaigning for various issues is also important. And how do the other FSF-endorsed distros feel over that if the FSF were to say "we'll hire someone to work on Trisquel but sorry Parabola and Guix you lose! Suckers!!! LOL..." I think they'd feel like a

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