From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
After reading vss 15ff..., I just don't see why you think these
apply. When vs 18 says /all/, it is referring to/ ungodliness/ and
/unrighteousness/. That is distinctly different from *those *who are
ungodly or unrighteous. As vs 16 infers, salvation i
\o/ !HALALU Yah!
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Greetings yet again Lance in the Matchless Name of YahShua !!
FOUL BAWL! Strike one ...
At least you made contact ...
I am a 'one of a kind' guy (whether you have faith to believe or
not). Almost surprised you don't see at least a glimmer of that.
Truth does m
You've got a good 'knuckle ball' Chris. However, it
didn't quite slip by me. No! You have indeed traded one tradition (of men) for
another tradition (of men). Unless you are a 'one of a kind' guy (I sort of
doubt that) then you just moved from one 'team' to another.
Truth in advertising matte
\o/ !HALALU Yah!
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Greetings again Lance in the Matchless Name of YahShua !!
Amen Lance! I've traded in TRADITIONs
of men for Scriptural TRADITION!
"By YOUR
traditions YOU have made The Word of The Almighty One of none
effect."
More great words!
Mind you, He didn't say, "less e
You are a teacher in the body of Christ. I've been
reading your 'teachings' for months.
On the other point ('traditions') well, fair
enough. Now that it's been properly defined any further thoughts?
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Amen Chris! Obedience does indeed lead one into an
ever-deepening understanding of Yah Shua. What one does is what one believes.
Amen again re: Plato's influence on
'tradition-bound' Christian thought.
But, Chris, comes a caveat. You've just
traded one TRADITION for another. Surely just a
\o/ !HALALU Yah!
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Greetings Lance in the Matchless Name of YahShua [that's the name Jesus was called by His mom, dad,
brothers, sisters, disciples and others who loved Him] !!
Almost 20 years ago, prolific songwriter
Michael Card wrote and sang on his 'Present Reality' recording, "We'v
I'd like to point out that to interpret "myriad of
traditions" as "Christian traditions only" would take some presumption on my
part. How can I know you are not painting with a broad brush unless you
tell me. I also find it interesting that you, the one who is so adamant
about words and the
Yes, I did respond before reading later posts, and acknowledge that you
addressed the Romans passage in a later post. I plan to respond to that when
I have more time.
As for my replied to your post to Judy, why do you find it so
interesting?This is a discussion group, not a dialog group. If you
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DavidH, somehow I am not surprised that you have ignored Romans 1:17ff
and how it addresses those who have not heard the gospel. Your
comments below indicate you have taken the same path as JS, and either
do not beleive it, or have not understood it. I am interested i
judyt: Only the truth will make one free and this is in
the context of present-progressive. "For the word of God is living and effective
and sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating as far as to divide soul,
spirit, joints, and marrow; it is a judge of the ideas and thoughts of the
hea
DavidH, somehow I am not surprised that you have ignored Romans 1:17ff and
how it addresses those who have not heard the gospel. Your comments below
indicate you have taken the same path as JS, and either do not beleive it,
or have not understood it. I am interested in hearing why you do not bel
No, I'm not. And, no to your 'take' on the balance.
Did you not understanding my 'meaning'? Catholic, Orthodox, Independent,
Brethren, Baptist, Pentecostal, Methodist, Presbyterian, Charismatic (some of
these in all of the foregoing) and on
These are those to whom I made reference.
I
If Jesus had to grow in wisdom and stature then only a
crazy person would claim to have all knowledge about all things and I am very
much aware of the areas in my life that need to change. However, I am not
'knowingly' deceived and when the Holy Spirit shines the light of conviction on
an ar
Are you a Freemason Lance? The reason I ask is
because what you describe below is the broad road, the road
taught by the Masonic Lodge who promote the brotherhood
of mankind and the fatherhood of God. This is not
the strait gate and narrow road that leads to
life. Jesus' claim to be the ONL
Slade,
I do not believe that it is necessarily referring to the gospel. I
believe it addresses all people for all time, whether or not they have heard
the gospel. All are without excuse. Those who have not heard the gospel are
still responsible for faith and belief in God because God has made
Not an answer, Judy! Do you wish not to answer this
directly?For myself allow me to state unequivocally that, I have been, am, and
will be wrong both in my understanding and therefore, my communication of some
matters concerning God and His Gospel.
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From:
Answers: DEFINITELY NO & NO!! God by His Spirit
through His Son is working in all of the myriad traditions, some with little
light some with much. Whether a contribution has been/is being made via this
'understanding' of God and His Gospel will be finally understood at the 'end of
all things
From your perspective Lance it would most likely be the
part that does not agree with your peculiar spin
on the Mediation of Christ
:-) This doctrine is either the answer or it adds to the
problem.
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
So then, when YOU are a contributor to any of these
So then, when YOU are a contributor to any of these
three what issues from your mouth/pen/keyboard actually originates with
Satan?
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 04, 2004 01:11
Subject: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of
Chri
Good morning Lance - This a.m. you
have written the following to the list...in response to
questions:
PS When you read the posts of those on TT you will hear behind their words preachers, books,
pamphlets (similar to the one given to you), 'traditions' (that dreaded word again). Not 1 in 1,
When it relates to truth and why we don't
all say the same thing - Yes I do. Unbelief, chaos and disunity serve
his purpose, rather than the Lord's.
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
so, when misunderstood by anyone, you attribute
this to Satan???
From:
Judy
Taylor
Your qu
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Do you believe the lake of fire is symbolic, Judy?
Will the pain felt from the fires of hell be a mental anguish rather than a
physical torture? If so, I think you are the first TTer I've heard believe
that way.
jt: I understand the Bible to teach that i
There is much more not 'known' than 'known'. This
is particularly true when it comes to the 'meaning' of Scripture.
I continue to read with amazement the level
of certainty with which some people 'explain' to other people this or that text,
book, doctrine.
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Whenever people, after quoting a text, tell you
what a text 'means' they ought to include something akin to 'according to
me mine and ours'. People 'dance' around this reality altogether too much. The
words used to speak of reality are not the reality being spoken of.
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If it wasn't my response should have been: 1. yes
2. no 3. no
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From:
Dave
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 04, 2004 03:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] (no
subject)
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Charles
Pe
3. no PS When you read the posts of those on TT you
will hear behind their words preachers, books, pamphlets (similar to the one
given to you), 'traditions' (that dreaded word again). Not 1 in 1,000 nay,
100,000 will offer 'readings' of Scripture that originate, with the aid of the
Holy Spir
1. yes 2. no
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From:
Dave
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 04, 2004 02:57
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] (no
subject)
Lance Muir wrote:
1. yes 2. no 3. noDAVEH: Thanx for your
direct answer, Lance. May I question you a bit further.
1)
Lance Muir wrote:
No, he doesn't. 'through a glass
darkly'
DAVEH: Though many of us do see "", that doesn't mean we should be
seeing with clouded vision. Jesus said..
.Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom
of heaven,... Mt 13:11 & Mk
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DAVEH wrote: ??? How can you perceive it
as a second chance IF they never had a first chance prior??? Let me
ask it this way, Laura..do you think God gives everybody a FIRST
chance to hear the gospel and accept Jesus? IOW..do you think
there are any
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
1) Do you believe all men will have the opportunity to accept Jesus?
No.
2) Do you believe there are any mortals who
do not get that chance while in mortality?
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