NKJV " But you have not so learned Christ. If indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus; that you put off concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that
That was loud enough for me to have heard you,
John. Amen, brother.
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An acquaintanceteaches at a local seminary
on, among other subjects, world religions and cults.After briefing his students
on the various religions and religious groups, he either takes them to their
buildings for a visit or, invites a representative to speak in his
class.
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Amen.
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NKJV "
But you
have not so learned Christ. If indeed you have heard Him and have been
taught by Him, as
In a message dated 4/1/2005 1:14:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
An acquaintance teaches at a local seminary on, among other subjects, world religions and cults.After briefing his students on the various religions and religious groups, he either takes them to their
In a message dated 4/1/2005 1:21:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Amen.
Revival Hour is over. Nighty night my friend.
Jd
When one equates one's statement(s) of the truth
with the Truth Himself, one is already being seduced from the
Truth.
Someone said: 'At the time of the Reformation Rome
was dealt with while Greece was not' (See Daniel 8:21)
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In a message dated 3/31/2005 5:02:43 PM
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Of course, there are Christians who
subscribe to the motto "fake it until you make it" No one here, I'm
sure.
"Fake it until I make it" is not so much a
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In a message dated 3/31/2005 6:03:49 PM
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Jesus
asked, "Why do you call me Lord, and do not do as I tell you?"
We obey because He is Lord and we are not. Simple as that. Though
love is the ideal motive, it does not
Sorry you are so tempted. Izzy
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Exactly the passage I was
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In a message dated 3/31/2005 6:52:33 PM
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I will stubbornly believe the best of you! :-)
Intellectually, I understand and give credence to this opinion, of late
expressed by Lance and Bill.
One of Lindas Little Lessons in Life:
Those who complain the most about others being dishonest are telling you, in
fact, about themselves. Izzy
How do you expect us to have a serious discussion with you when you
have been so deceptive and dishonest with us?
Peace
This is very good, John. I like it when you think
out loud.
Bill
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But you
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Man, that is the truth! :)
bill
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When one equates one's statement(s) of the truth
I wonder how many legalists over the centuries have
know they were such? Not many I suppose.
Bill
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John wrote The Bible does
not teach that obedience is more important than even the
motivation. If "works" springs from "faith," then
the motivation is the most important
thing
apart from works.
Oooohh, I can see the wheels turning in your
JD, Until you choose to stop projecting the
demons from your past upon others, you will have to risk being one sick
puppy. How long will you choose to carry around a sack full of dead
bones? Let it go. Izzy
Just thinking out loud.
John
What are you saying? That we can't know
truth? That we are all in the same shape as Pontius Pilate
whose
famous words are "What is truth?" That Jesus
didn't really mean it when he told his disciples "You shall
KNOW the truth and the truth will make you
free?"
So now everyone who believes
I wonder how
many intellectuals take comfort in labeling people who cherish Gods
Word legalists? Maybe the Popes were right to burn them at
the stake for so many centuries? Darnwe still wont go away! Izzy
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Schiavo: Awakening a
sleeping giant:
www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43598
John wrote:
Are you going on record to say that I am
lying about the claim that Judy put my
words in quotations, and in so doing,
changed the very wording of my comment to
readcomfortable with sin. period? Yes or no.
No. The term lying which you use here implies an intent to deceive.
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What does your advertizment say? Don't be afraid to answer. I am not looking for a reason to find fault with you.
Needing help with your relationships -- marriage ? That special someone ? Wouldn't mind a
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Me do works What a terrible thought How can you imagine that I would ever do a work for the Lord? What did He ever do for me? Why in the world would I dedicate my life to Him?
Don't you see me
In a message dated 4/1/2005 5:32:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One of Lindas Little Lessons in Life: Those who complain the most about others being dishonest are telling you, in fact, about themselves. Izzy
How do you expect us to have a serious discussion with
In a message dated 4/1/2005 5:33:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That, it seems to me, is the benefit of Communitythe exchange of the bad for the good, especially in the Community of the Divine. Faith unto faith.
You know, Bill, this is not exactly
Gary, why does it escape you that Judy was not quoting John. She was
representing her understanding of John's position, and I still think she did so
quite accurately. I'm still waiting for John or anyone elseto
explain logically how someone keeping sin is not the same as being in sin.
Peace
And David goes for the "last word."
JD ( By the way -- I read only what was quoted below and quit.)
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John wrote:
Are you going on record to say that I am
lying about the claim that Judy put my
words in
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I'm still waiting for John or anyone else to explain logically how someone keeping sin is not the same as being in sin.
You are not waiting for my statement of faith on the issue. But, I will restate: they
John wrote:
... the conflict of the old and the new continues.
I think we agree on this, but there is an intensity of conflict that arises
when the old man is resurrected which is completely unnecessary and not part
of God's immediate will for the believer.
John wrote:
One is decreasing and
The passing of the Pope - and it is just that, I suppose, offers me the occasion to speak of my deeply felt respect for this leader. In simple terms, he has been a stud !!
I include him in my prayers -- knowing that God has included him in the reconciliation of all unto Himself. God bless John
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John wrote:
... the conflict of the old and the new continues.
I think we agree on this, but there is an intensity of conflict that arises
when the old man is resurrected which is completely unnecessary and
thiswas
notJohn's position:
..being comfortable in
sin. [jt,
3/28]
inits historical context, it's a manipulative and presumptuous
comment, unwarranted, a lie
g:: tt
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[jt]was representing.. John's
Being comfortable in sin is the logical consequence of John's
position. That is what Judy represented, so her comment was not
manipulative, presumptuous, unwarranted, or a lie. She was right on.
Your characterization of her comments aresimply more ad hominem arguments
that really do not
A hearty Amen!
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The passing of the Pope -
and it is just that, I suppose, offers me the
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What
does your advertizment say? Don't be afraid to answer. I am not
looking for a reason to find fault with you.
Needing help with your relationships -- marriage ?
One
of Lindas Little Lessons in Life: Those who complain the most
about others being dishonest are telling you, in fact, about
themselves. Izzy
==
What's the deal here Iz? You writing in tongues?
Terry
In a message dated 4/1/2005 10:23:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John, have broken the 9th commandment in claiming that Judy has misquoted John, and refusing to acknowledge your error, both of you are trying real hard to be comfortable in your sin :-)
How many times did
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John wrote:
... the conflict of the old and the new continues.
I think we agree on this, but there is an intensity of conflict that
arises
when the old man is
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One of
Lindas Little Lessons in Life: Those
who complain the most about
myth (John is not
that logical)
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:53:56 -0500 "David Miller"
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Being comfortable in sin is the logical consequence
of John's position.
JD, I just searched the archives for the
word dishonest in 2005. You definitely take the PRIZE in
accusing others of misrepresentations, false accusations, not being worthy of
trust, distrusting motives of others, etc.! (I dont have time to
look up how many times you accused others of
As far as I can tell, it is a logical necessity that if a person is
comfortable with the idea of keeping their sin and being called righteous, then
such a person is comfortable in sin. Even if he is comfortable in spite of
sin, he is still comfortable in sin. I have yet to see anyone explain
It's sounds to me like you are wanting to describe
a mutual indwelling, John-- kind of like what Jesus prayed for:"that
they all may be one, as you, Father, are in me, and I in you; that they also may
be one inus, that the world may believe that you sent me." Is that what
you are thinking
Bill wrote I wonder
how many legalists over the centuries have known they were such?
Darnwe still wont go away!
Izzy
Hmm. It's
more than I realized :)
Bill
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so
what?
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:29:32 -0500 "David
Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..if a person is comfortable with the
idea of keeping their sin ..then such a person is comfortable in
sin.
In a message dated 4/1/2005 6:12:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's sounds to me like you are wanting to describe a mutual indwelling, John -- kind of like what Jesus prayed for: "that they all may be one, as you, Father, are in me, and I in you; that they also may be one
Terry:
Jesus asked, "Why do you call me Lord, and do not do as I tell you?"We
obey because He is Lord and we are not. Simple as that. Though love
is the ideal motive, it does not matter whether you feel like doing it out
of love, or fear, or do not feel like doing it at all. He is not
In a message dated 4/1/2005 6:12:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's sounds to me like you are wanting to describe a mutual indwelling, John -- kind of like what Jesus prayed for: "that they all may be one, as you, Father, are in me, and I in you; that they also may be one
Well, I interact with the people here :-) I belong
to a Baptist church. I am involved in Alpha and a cell group. I'm involved in a
prayer ministry and have worked with various groups in healing ministries over
the years. I used to pray with a citywide prayer group and because of that, I've
Once you have heard them both, it is easy to recognize the
voices.Terry
Caroline:
It's something Peter did not get even though he
stood beside the living and breathing Jesus.
Matthew 16, Jesus asks Peter who he is and Peter
says you're the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
does everyone here believe that all Christians are
clothed in Christ's righteousness and end up in heaven after we die? In that
case, indeed "so what?"
Love,
Caroline
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In a message dated 4/1/2005 7:50:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..if a person is comfortable with the idea of keeping their sin ..then such a person is comfortable in sin.
What is so ridiculous about this line of "reasoning" is that Miller is quoting me against me
Caroline Wong wrote:
Terry:
Jesus asked, "Why do you call me Lord, and do not do as I tell
you?"
We obey because He is Lord and we are not. Simple as that. Though
love is the ideal motive, it does not matter whether you feel like
doing it out of love, or fear, or do not feel
Caroline Wong wrote:
Once you have heard them both, it is easy to recognize the
voices.
Terry
Caroline:
It's something Peter did not get
even though he stood beside the living and breathing Jesus.
Matthew 16, Jesus asks Peter who
he is and Peter says
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