DAVEH: Where you going with this, Kevin? Are you suggesting Jesus
borrowed the baptismal rite from pagans??? Or do you think the below
mentioned pagans derived their baptismal beliefs from Primitive
Christianity?
Kevin wrote:
DAVEH: What ppl, Judy?
Do you know to whom Paul was refer
DAVEH: You are losing me on this one, Kevin. Vs 3 says..
ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once
delivered unto the saints.
...in the KJV. What version are you using to get once for all?
Alsodo you think there was no further revelation from God afte
DAVEH: Hmm...After reading your below material, in a strict
sense, aren't all baptisms (excepting that of Jesus) proxy baptisms in
that are in a LIKENESS and REPRESENTATION of
Jesus' birth, death/resurrection and baptism?
BTW..Did you answer my below question...
Then why
IFF false, then...?
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> BLAINE: Kevin has access to a lot of stuff written by Mormon authorities
What if one is actually not angry but, one is so
perceived by others?
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James 1:19-20 My dear brothers,
Of course that must be it I am faithless. You on the other hand are on Faith Steroids. What else could explain your belief in spite of the facts?"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BLAINE: Kevin, you said exactly what I anticipated you would say--you even bore your testimony, exactly as
"chrisrians? did not proxy baptise. Even Nephites did not. Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH: Hwhy did you not answer my questions, Kevin? Do you think those who practiced baptism for the dead in vs 29 believed themselves to be followers of Christ, Kevin? And...why do you thin
Not goimg anywhere. You asked who (read Pagans just north of then city where Paul issued the letter) practised such.Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH: Where you going with this, Kevin? Are you suggesting Jesus borrowed the baptismal rite from pagans??? Or do you think the below menti
I ask for one example you offer none.
You are stuck in arut you go right back to "Then why do you think those early Christians" Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH: Hmm...After reading your below material, in a strict sense, aren't all baptisms (excepting that of Jesus) proxy ba
Then that one must be an Illiterate FundieLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What if one is actually not angry but, one is so perceived by others?
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Does the following 'sound' angry? There was an
earlier post sent to you alone. Did you respond? Did you agree?
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DaveH wrote:
> Does it seem strange to you that he would use
> the bizarre practices of a (presumably) forbidden
> practice to teach a Christian principle?
The resurrection is not just a Christian principle. It is a principle found
in many religions. If I lived in ancient Egypt and was speaking
If the person does not feel he is angry but
everyone else says it sure feels like it, then that person could
a) continue as he is because what other people
think does not matter or
b) change communication style to reflect whom he
really believes himself to be
"What you are shouts so loud i
Lance wrote:
> Sorry but, did you just accuse Caroline of Wong doctrine?
LOL! Sometimes it is a real pleasure having you around, Lance. :-)
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
--
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
how you ought to answer every ma
Dave,
I think the post you responded to is mine, not Kevin's. Here is Jude 3 in
it's entirety from the NASB:
Jude 3: Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the
salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the
faith that was once for all entrus
Caroline,
You quote Emerson to evaluate Kevin? Emerson's quote:
"What you are shouts so loud in my ears, I
cannot hear what you say." Ralph Waldo Emerson - more appropriately evaluate his own self - Poor
soul was raised in deception which apparently escalated in his own
life. He must not h
It doesn't require the gift of discernment to determine why this is one of
those times. Therefore, I shall take the 'Wong Doctrine' to heart.
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Ahhh Jt but, they are communicating God's
truth. All truth is God's.
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>
> April 24, 2005
>
>
> the church of 80% sincerity
>
> The Church of 80% Sincerity was founded by David Roch
If only my name was N.T. Wright who is also called St. Thomas and has his
work referred to as the Gospel According to Thomas! :-)
Love,
Caroline
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Truth without love is noise. The Apostle
Paul
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Caro
Well said. I shall take the matter 'under
advisement'. May I post your blog for the 24th?
L
PS On TT do I sound like I'm shouting TO
YOU?
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DAVEH: Yes, I understand that many societies and religions believed in
an afterlife. That's not the point that makes this discussion
pertinentbut rather baptism. How many other non Christian
religions practice baptism would be a more interesting question to
consider. So how do you weig
Myth! Lance. It is possible for things to be true
and not God's Truth - there are two kinds of wisdom you know.
Emerson was not walking in God's Truth. He was
not a born again believer sealed by the indwelling Holy Spirit; if He were he
would not have been teaching that "all men" are inspire
Love without truth is spiritual harlotry - God
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Truth without love is noise. The Apostle
Paul
From: Judy Taylor
Caroline,
You quote Emerson to evaluate Kevin? Emerson's
quote: "What y
OK
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Myth! Lance. It is possible for things to
OK
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Love without truth is spiritual harlotry - God
100% Sincerity won't get anyone anywhere with God. The Bible is 100% right,
and if we believe it and do it that's all we need. God is correct 100% of
the time. Izzy
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I've always believed you to be sincere, even when wrong. You do understand
that every one of us is wrong about some things vis a vis our reading of
Scripture don't you?
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So that's where Sincerity fills the gap? I don't think so. And why is it
that you SO overemphasize our inability to grasp the meaning of scripture.
That is not something to major on IMO. Izzy
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IMO many unbelievers find the absolute certainty of evangelicals rather
offputting. I'm now speaking of some of those areas where there exists some
latitude.
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I've wondered about this also Izzy; and 100% sincerity
won't count for much if one is 100%
deceived as Eve was. Paul was concerned lest the
Corinthians minds should be corrupted
away from the simplicity that is in Christ (2 Cor 11:3)
- and he didn't keep on about how
one couldn't really
Why major on that, Lance? Why not look on the positive side: we are also
very confident in His Word. :-) Izzy
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Better to be sure of God’s faithful
Word than sincerely wrong—right? Izzy
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Lance Muir wrote:
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April 24, 2005
the church of 80% sincerity
The Church of 80% Sincerity was fo
John wrote:
> And, yet, David, you assult [sic] character
> on a regular basis.
When have I assaulted someone's character? Surely you jest. I find that
people feel insulted either when they incorrectly read between the lines, or
they just don't like the point that I am making.
John wrote:
>
John wrote:
> When your testimony is false, David,
> I go with the Truth.
But my testimony is always true.
John wrote:
> You have persisted in your claim that I have no
> problems with sin in my life, dispite [sic] many
> corrections from me
On the contrary, you keep misunderstanding me. My cla
John wrote:
> Nonsense, David. Absolute nonsense.
> You have never been invited to a non- instrument
> Church of Christ
Yes I have.
John wrote:
> and delivered members of that church from whatever --
> if that is a part of your claim in the above.
I make no such boasts. Christ is the one who
Lance wrote:
> A couple of things occur to me:
Lance, you seem to be proceeding from the premise that I am perfect in
knowledge. I am not. I don't believe anybody is perfect in knowledge. I
do, however, believe that some are perfect in love. Please don't confuse
the two.
Lance wrote:
> I'v
Lance wrote:
> What, David, do you make of the reality that,
> ... each and every thoughtful, literate (that excludes
> me) participant on TT (Bill, John, Gary, Slade,
> Caroline, Debbie and, Jonathan) have identified recurring
> 'character deficiencies'. Are any of these correct?
I have no doubt
Lance wrote:
> By 'Jewish people had various idease', do
> you mean as expressed in the Older Testament?
I had in mind primarily the rabbinic writings and my general knowledge of
Jewish history from various sources, which includes the Hebrew Scriptures
too.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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Lance wrote:
> Mt.12:36-37 DM asks 'do you believe this teaching'.
> Answer Yes Qualifier Not YOUR interpretation of it
> IFF your 'teaching' on this matter were to have been
> incorrect all along then, what would you do?
I would change my understanding and teaching, of course. What is your
inte
Judy wrote:
> This is where I have a huge problem with your teaching
> DavidM; Jesus was born the ONLY begotten son of the
> Father thus He was holy from his inception in the womb
> of Mary -
Agreed. He was holy, but yet he was born of the seed of Abraham, and
therefore he shared in all the weak
Kevin wrote:
> First it was you never talked to any CoC's
> Then it was never in the Church
> And now that david has posted the names it becomes
> Well you never preached in one!
> Ludicrous!
> Just like the "NONE" that mysteriously changed to "few"
LOL. I'm glad to see that somebody on the list
Caroline wrote:
> Didn't Jesus say "... anyone who says, 'You fool!'
> will be in danger of the fire of hell."
Yes he did, Caroline. Compare that with the following passages:
Matthew 23:17-19
(17) Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple
that sanctifieth the gold?
(18
Caroline wrote:
> Judgment and punishment yes but neither is conclusive
> that humans are judged and punished eternally in light
> of what Gehenna means. Do you have other
> verses?
Yes I do have other verses, but you are dismissing these Mark 9 passages too
quickly. Keep in mind that all passag
DAVEH: ButWere the translators 100% correct?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
100% Sincerity won't get anyone anywhere with God. The Bible is 100% right,
and if we believe it and do it that's all we need. God is correct 100% of
the time. Izzy
--
~~~
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Caroline wrote:
> So, why was Job suffering?
He was suffering because Satan was attacking him.
Caroline wrote:
> Also, did you come up with your list of requirements
> to meet the standard of holiness or is it something
> that a group agrees on?
I must have missed that question somewhere along t
Caroline:
> We (Lance, Debbie, John & I) are not that far apart from
> you in our thinking and doing. You should post your vision
> or at least, post what the three sides of the triangle were as
> revealed to you by God.
I'm glad you see that, Caroline. When I get a chance, I will get that
poste
David Miller wrote:
What you might be surprised to learn, however, is that there
are three ways to fall from that table of justification. They are 1) the
way of Balaam, 2) the way of Cain, and 3) the way of Jezebel. I'll explain
more later if you are interested.
Peace be with you.
David Mill
Caroline wrote:
> They added the words "without cause" because they
> could not let go of their own anger and they need a
> punitive God.
What makes you think the words were added? The majority of texts have the
phrase.
Caroline wrote:
> Even though people made Jesus frustrated to the point
> o
Izzy wrote:
> No one has been specific about the alleged character
> deficiencies of DM, Lance. What, specifically, are
> they What is your evidence of such?
Thanks, Izzy. I think they just want to pretend that everybody sees it
except for me so that they can deceive themselves into thinkin
John wrote:
> You claim to know and understand the
> Restoration Movement.
I know them about as well as I know Mormonism now. I'm not sure that is
saying much. I learned most of Mormonism through books recommended by DaveH
and Blaine and through dialogue with them here, but the Church of Chris
Perry wrote:
> The NASB gives a clearer rendition of "hapax"
> (clarifying, not reinterpreting) since "hapax" is
> an "aorist passive", indicating that the action
> occurred once and will never occur again.
> I am not a greek scholar; this description comes
> from John MacArthur.
You really have t
As Kevin says, not the translators of the Pervert Bibles. :-) Izzy
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DAVEH
Cool! I'm also looking forward to it,
David. Izzy
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So far Lance is stumped,
DM. So what can we make of that? :-) Izzy
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DAVEH:
> Yes, I understand that many societies and religions
> believed in an afterlife. That's not the point that
> makes this discussion pertinentbut rather baptism.
Back up, Dave. Read the context of the passage. The resurrection is
EXACTLY the point that makes this discussion pertinent
Judy wrote:
> It is possible for things to be true and not
> God's Truth - there are two kinds of wisdom
> you know.
I would like you to elaborate a little more on this concept, Judy.
Is the concept of gravity God's truth or another kind of truth?
If an atheist who is married thinks it would be
That's a new one for me. What biblical reference is
that?
Love,
Caroline
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David wrote:
What is there to wrestle about? Do you think there is something evil with
the reproductive system that God created?
Caroline:
not at all but some of my friends in various holiness churches/movements
really wrestle with it. I had a pastor who said cynically, "people always
say 'as th
Hi David;
I am interested. I have read Francis Frangipane's The Three Battlegrounds
and other similar authors and I used to go to a prayer group where many were
prophetic and could discern spirits. I don't think much would surprise me in
the realm of spiritual warfare but I'm always interested i
Good passage. Do you think there is a case for annihilation/conditionalism
in the phrase "everlasting destruction" in verse 9? John Stott and several
other theologians think there is.
Have you ever received a vision of heaven or of hell and have you asked the
Lord for it? I know someone who had
David wrote to Judy:
I seem to remember a post way back there that I meant to reply to but did
not have time. You said something about sin being a spirit being. I
don't
think I have ever heard that concept before. Can you elaborate on this
too?
Are there any passages of Scripture where you per
Caroline, just try bathing a cat anytime you want to experience hell. Izzy
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I did once. The cat won. I have the scar to prove it.
Love,
Caroline
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Caroline, just try bathing a cat anytime yo
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