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From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Hughes Jonathan
even if an angel from
heaven
I think it was from James Jordan that I first encountered the notion that
Satan may have had a legitimate teaching task in
Eden. After all, despite popular mythology, we
Don't wait up all night looking for a response.
Jd
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From: Hughes Jonathan
even if an angel from heaven
I think
Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a
CPL suggests that 'people with discernment also know WHY they discern the
things they do'. To some extent, IMO, this is illustrative of a genuine
logical dilemma. It has to do with apprehension and articulation. Also, IMO,
such apprehension is available to all of humankind. Sometimes things
Dave:Thanks for taking a 'run' at it. I'm surprized
at your response to #1 and, I'll attempt to elucidate. As to #2, I'm afraid it's
a 'Roseanne Roseanna Danna thingy. (I said Evangelicalism NOT
Evangelism)!
I believe that thinking shoul be 'open structured'.
You've read me on this
Lance Muir did not make that submission I've no
idea who did.
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Dave
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 05, 2005 01:47
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan
DAVEH: Mormons have been criticized for suggesting the
same. Has JJ
Whoops! I now believe that I forwarded something
received from my friend, Jonathan. Sorry 'bout that.
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DAVEH: Mormons have been criticized
Correctamundo, bishop!
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To my shame, I am much more inclined to go 2nd grade with you,
Kevin.
Suggestions:
1. Intercessory prayer
2. Tell others to pray
3. Be further informed so as to separate the false
information from the true.
4. Were any of you to watch 'Shake Hands With the
Devil', you would have heard Dallaire criticize the UN along with the former
Canadian Ambassador to the
Prov 28:1 The wicked flee when no man pursuethShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Christian conspiracy in Canada: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44581
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G L, rooted and grounded in the word?
LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one rigth really cares about what I actually write?
But more
FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own biblically
grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon which these conclusions
are based? I read what interminable 'conversations' (?) extend from doing such.
I've posted my little formula on this.(biblical interpretation) I actually
Again more evidence of Baseless claims, since it would have been a simple feat to provide the examples of "rooted grounded" posts by the dynamic duo. Avoid dance. Notice JD dance that with only one foot[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First of all, I thought you were responding to my words, since
What does it mean to be rooted grounded in the word?
JD must have a diferent definition.
A simple verbal profession of devotion?
Maybe he means LIP service.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They are definitely that! ROFL! Iz
But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded
JD, it never stops. You ARE judging
DM by saying he is arrogant. (Would you be shocked if you knew that that
is exactly how you were perceived???) THEN you go on to judge me.
Interesting, coming from the man who loves to quote judge not so
frequently. I agree with Davidlets discuss
Silence is golden.
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
Jd
Unfortunately, many already have. Izzy
And.. Should we give our pulpits over to Satan now as the teacher??
No, please tell us about it. I was reading that
the big Newsweek lie-scandal about supposed prison guards defacing Korans was
actually in fact cases of Iraqis defacing the Koran and saying they hated
it. Maybe that's why? Izzy
Does anyone know of the millions who interceded re:
what has
Kevin, you just have to take their word for it that their many
opinions are Biblically-based--in spite of the fact that there is
norational evidence of such. Izzy
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DeeganSent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:53 AMTo:
The "new" you?
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Silence is golden.
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.
Jd
4. And realize that nothing in 1-4 has been YOU changing a
thing.
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MuirSent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 4:43 AMTo:
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Suggestions:
1. Intercessory
By the way, one of the pieces performed by our church band this
weekend was "Watergrave" by Atomic Opera. Definitely the most passionate,
moving musical _expression_ about baptism that I have ever heard. It reminds
you what it really takes to be a "new man". Izzy
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http://www.atomicopera.com/
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ShieldsFamilySent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:18 AMTo:
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Quiz
By the way, one of the pieces performed by our church band this
weekend was
Well...perhaps not so quietly but, praise God for
such as yourself and, for what you've done. Indeed, this is exactly what 'living
the gospel' is all about. I shall not even attempt a rejoineder for, how could
one in the light of this?
May God richly bless you, your husband and
family,
I shan't as it's not a genuine question, IMO. Only
to say that an Iraqi woman in the company of her husband and baby were but one
example of many who have testified to it.They were here the day before yesterday
preparing to return to the Middle East today.
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A geat resport!! When you can't walk on water, you had better be in the boat. Glad you are aborad --
Jd
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Oh, absolutely, my dear and ifDeegan follows my advice, it will result in something wonderful in his life -- not to mention everyone elses.
God In Peace
JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:03:30 -0500Subject:
DAVEH: I confess Lance there are occasions when a smile has been
seen to crack my face while reading TT posts. :-)
Perhaps my stupidity for equating evangelicalism
with evangelism is one of those times.instead, I find myself
embarrassed! :-[
Lance Muir wrote:
I'm
Lance Muir wrote:
Dave:Thanks for taking a 'run' at
it. I'm surprized at your response to #1
DAVEH: Really?!?!?! I had lunch with some LDS friends yesterday.
They asked what I was doing spending so much time on the computer. I
mentioned TT to them, and they asked what kind of
OK. Thanks anyway for engaging me.
Lance
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Dave
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 05, 2005 11:50
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A public request
to DaveH
Lance Muir wrote:
Dave:Thanks for taking a 'run' at it. I'm
U.S. Challenged to Increase Aid to
Africa
By CELIA W. DUGGER
Published: June 5, 2005 :: NYTimes.com
"A powerful consensus is building for a doubling of aid
to Africa among the world's heavyweight donors, except
the United States, a divide that is likely to come into sharp relief
this
Except involving myself and, the Mormons (yikes!!,
does that make you guys feel bad or good?) I've witnessed extensive and,
extended Scriptural engagements by and between many TTers. Apart from
concessions over the most minute of points, I have yet to note any significant
change of
http://www.prisoneralert.com/
Apparently (re-)reading the words of
scripture do not make your heart sing, Lance. Too bad. Izzy
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AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] On this
'quoting
Sriipture? Are you referring to the mindless quoting of scripture offered in the hopes that Lance will be impressed with just far under the surface he is in the Pond of Hell?
JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005
It's not the fact that you don't quote scripture per
se. If your conclusions were scripturally based those who are
well grounded in scripture would recognize them.
jt
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:13:08 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own
Yes. Precisely why I said they were grounded in scripture. Those who do not recognize this truth are obviously not grounded in scripture - or could it be that we are really talking about how eachunderstandsthe biblical message? I vote for the latter.
Jd-Original
Is there a good reason why not?
JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 12:23:57 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church
Let's see-if America is already giving double what everyone else is,
Man was created for the expressed purpose of the expansion of community (ye shall be fruitful and multiply) ?..
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
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Let's take
I have done that with Lance...successfully
Keepreassuring your self
say it a few more times a little bit louder and you may start believing it.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
myth (read:lie) : Gary O has no relationship with the Word of God
Gary is not a man of many words -- kind of
I don't think JD has a problemunderstanding
I think he misrepresents others views ( as amply shown in the past) in order to shoot down the STRAW MAN he created.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have written
JD you must be under some stress. Your rambling in your posts lately.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They ( Then) why did Jesus blow it off by telling the disciples they would always have the poor . Well, this is perhaps the most upsetting of my discussions here on TT. I really have nothing more to
"be fruitful and multiply" is something you disagree with? Absolutely nothing humanistic about it. Try something else or maybe you do not understand what "humanism" actually means when realted to a theological discussion.
Jd
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Even if they believe something correctly (from your perception), they are at fault because of simply being LDS.
Mormons are the most Persecuted people on earth! WAH WAH WAH
DH says IMO, the ax you grind against Mormonism is getting duller the more you grind, Perry.
Is not my word like as a fire?
In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close.
But your side does not care what it has written -- only what it says it has written. Let's move on.
Jd
That is your myth (read lie) JD because Inever made a statement anything like what you have
Let me repeat; in my original post on this subject Mr.
Smithson I said that neither Lance nor Gary were
sufficiently rooted and grounded in God's Word to
correctly discern a genuine spiritual gift in operation.
Look in the archives. This is what I said.
jt
On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:34:04 -0400
Lance, You seem capable of objective thought, so you earn an "A" for that,
at least, in my little mental roll book.
Blaine
In a message dated 6/4/2005 7:14:39 AM Mountain Standard Time,
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Lance
wrote: We may have unamimity on my next observation (?): At
the
note the word
'correctly', below--as noted, the notion is intrinsic to (her)dualism
e.g.,
didn'tLance's spiritual discernment recognize correctly JCs gifts through
the Spirit toPastor Smithson?
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:12:33 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..to correctly
This is just how far out in lala land you are, Kevin. Those on both sides of the divide are scratching their heads (except, perhaps, Izzy), wondering just exactly what your point is in all this. I feel a little silly reminding you that "be fruitful and multipy" come from Gen 1:28. amazingly
Here is your original post, Mrs Taylor. I am the one who spoke of rooting and grounding -- not you. but you can read it for yourself.
Gary Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be
ONE
LANCE chirps I've found a total lack of concern
Here is your opportunity to FLAP your gums.
In what way have you demonstrated your Concern Lance?
TWO
Who teaches that the incarnation is a book?
Backup your statement, for once in your life. Anyone can make accusations, what is your basis
David,
Hmm, I see your point, but yours is a special case, wouldn't you say?
I have to say your point is actually weak. Associatiing JS with
other false priests, is a badassociation no matter how you look at
it. JS gave dates, descriptions of what took place, etc, which
none of these
Furthermore, who teaches such?
Do you make this stuff up in your sleep?Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Backup your statement, for once in your life. Anyone can make accusations, what is your basis for such?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I said David, it is you. Your citations
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You givehim an endless source of matrerial.
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Are you stuck in a RUT man?
Everything you
You missed my post on this.
Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:00:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
Just come out and admit it JD, you are DOING _ShieldsFamily
We are going preaching there this fall, what are you doing?
Why badger? If you put the onous on others then put up or shut up.
Be ye DOERS and notthe voiciferous duoonly
Deceiving your own selves
CMON Lance lay it on us your heart is Bleeding for those people in Africa!
What is your plan, and
Don't do what Lance says, do what he does not do!
Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
STOPBlaming others what are you doing ?
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tell us? Ask Jesus what you
What in the world are you talking about, Kevin. Lance voiced an opinion about Miller and you are asking him "who teaches such? do you just make this stuff up in your sleep? You still talking about Lances opinion on Miller's claims are have you moved on -- once again - without telling us?
Jd
I never said "go to Hell" I did say you are a LIAR
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Like I said, Deegan -- you are here for the fight and nothing else. You have my explanation s below and they will not be revisited. It really is a shame about your hate.
JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan
Does JJ suggest that Satan is Jesus Brother?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Mormons have been criticized for suggesting the same. Has JJ received a lot of similar criticism from other Christians?Lance Muir wrote:
even if an angel from heaven
I think it was from James Jordan that I
Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative.
You've lostyour moral superiority. You do NOTHING
You said it:
speech is not followed by action[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do
I do practice what I preach
You do not as has been demonstrated by your LIP Service
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Are those addictions under control yet?
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Youve heard of it, JDyou know,
all those little numbered verses in the Bible? Izzy
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'quoting
the ones who do the most kvetching about others not helping the poor and being socially responsible are the ones who talk, talk, talk, but do little if anything.
That is because their conscience is bearing witness to them
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience
We need to help others!
Lets use your money!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JD, it seems that the ones who do the most kvetching about others not helping the poor and being socially responsible are the ones who talk, talk, talk, but do little if anything. Ive been waiting for a
So with most things they state.
Izzy are you the one that teaches Jesus was Incarnated in a Book?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin, you just have to take their word for it that their many opinions are Biblically-based--in spite of the fact that there is norational evidence of such.
Total Immersion!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The "new" you?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 6:35 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
Silence is golden.
So
Easy for you to SAY, You DO Nothing but hear deceiving yourself.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A geat resport!! When you can't walk on water, you had better be in the boat. Glad you are aborad --
Jd
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Right
In your eyes the Bible is the same as the thing you wrap a fish with.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like "book chapter and verse" because of my churched traditions. Our two friends perhaps are not the same tradition. But I certainly identify scripture in their context they oftenspeakAS
Your some example addictions and all.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, absolutely, my dear and ifDeegan follows my advice, it will result in something wonderful in his life -- not to mention everyone elses.
God In Peace
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Conscience got ya?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Sort of like when JD argued that "ALL" which became "most" and finally "some" when confronted with his own statement.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In your first post on this subject, you did not say that at all, Mrs. Taylor. Not even close.
But your side does not care what it has written -- only
Here are the facts JD
Lance wrote: I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)David Judy Izzy do you believe such?
JD your even starting to sound like me.
Ya know I think that there is deep down
I'd hate to judge these people as being falsely motivated.
Just those people?
No problem accusing others of false motivation. Do you have a special gift?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David,
Hmm, I see your point, but yours is a special case, wouldn't you say? I have to say your point is actually
The immedicate ocntext of my remarks was on this wise: you preach "silence is golden" but you talk and talk and talk and, somehow manage to say nothing of consequence.conclusion: youdo not practice what you preach.
Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
It seems that with very narrow exceptions, all roads lead
to Rome. As the Virginia Slims cigarette commercial said to the 'liberated
woman,' "You've come a long way baby." It is now time for
thatcorporatebody, which has a papal form of government,to
take"Rome's Challenge"of 1893.
--Marlin
Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast?Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems that with very narrow exceptions, all roads lead to Rome. As the Virginia Slims cigarette commercial said to the 'liberated woman,' "You've come a long way baby." It is now time for
How does your spiritual gift discern between MYTH and Dualism?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
note the word 'correctly', below--as noted, the notion is intrinsic to (her)dualism
e.g., didn'tLance's spiritual discernment recognize correctly JCs gifts through the Spirit toPastor Smithson?
On Sun, 5
So Judy and David M -- agree with Deegan on this one ???
What about, Izzy -- no miracles today ? You all "agree" -- so I guess I should know the answer to this question.
Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent:
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