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will you kindly tell all of us how you, as a Mormon, understand these events? DAVEH:  Getting into that will likely just get Perry excited again, Lance!   Butthat has not worried me too much in the past.     Let me give you the short explanation.  I believe God intended A&E to transg

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DAVEH:   As I see it, most traditional Christians believe that God wanted A&E to not transgress, effectively leaving them in a state of naivety.  Is that the way you perceive it, John?     You are right about confusion that could arise from not defining predestined when discussing it.  Since I

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Do you mind if I ask why this subject is so interesting to you?? DAVEH:  Because the Protestant view seems rather narrow and lacks depth of understanding, as I understand it.   I don't mean that to sound offensive, but rather an observation from what I've learned from asking you folks about it

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DAVEH:   One more fact from your perspective, Terry.I assume you believe that God did not want A&E to sin though, even though he knew they would.  Is that correct? Terry Clifton wrote: Just the facts, Dave. Fact one: Adam and Eve did sin. Fact two: God hates sin.  Fact three: G

Re: [TruthTalk] WOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

Wow Kevin - You've found a man after Gary's own heart ... Definitely nothing new under the sun... :)   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:45:57 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:   Thoytom Asse Coria Tushrump codsheadirustie,Mungrellimo whish whap ragge dicete tottrie,Mangelusq

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY SAYS THAT THE WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION..TWOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

I wonder why it didn't catch on? === Kevin Deegan wrote:   Thoytom Asse Coria Tushrump codsheadirustie, MungrellimWhereo whish whap ragge dicete tottrie, Mangelusquem verminets nipsem barelybittimsore, Culliandolt travellerebumque, graiphon

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

Thanks Dave. Makes more sense than some of the other comments. Terry Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH: FWIW..http://scriptures.lds.org/jst/ex42427 Terry Clifton wrote: How about someone explaining Exodus 4:24? Terry -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY SAYS THAT THE WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION..TWOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

  Thoytom Asse Coria Tushrump codsheadirustie,Mungrellimo whish whap ragge dicete tottrie,Mangelusquem verminets nipsem barelybittimsore,Culliandolt travellerebumque, graiphone trutchmore.Pusse per mew (Odcomb) gul abelgik foppery shig shagCock a peps Comb sottishamp, Idioshte momulus tag rag.Poem

Re: [TruthTalk] JD finds what he claimed not to have received

Judy How dare you, consistantly Ignore JD's Straw Man!Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So you found it JD and it looks as though you are on a roll - an anti-Judy roll at that.    On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:51:15 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:From: Knpraise - You glibbly misuse

Re: [TruthTalk] Separation

what's his take on JC theologizin' with Judas, Bro; on Judas experiencg personal fellowship with God at God's request?   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:19:44 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The prince of preachers, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, in his statement as to why he sepa

RE: [TruthTalk] Separation

The prince of preachers, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, in his statement as to why he separated from the London Baptist Association in 1888 wrote, “Complicity with error will take from the best of men the power to enter any successful protest against it. If any body of believers had errorists among them,

Re: [TruthTalk] Read Gary having a whole conversation with himself

(yep:)   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:11:09 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Are you enjoying reading your words and responding to [Lance's interesting question] Gary?   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:04:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..parrots proud like peacox paradin

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY SAYS THAT THE WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION..TWOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

talk the talk, walk the walk, Rock the Flock    

Re: [TruthTalk] Read Gary having a whole conversation with himself

Are you enjoying reading your words and responding to yourself Gary?   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:04:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..parrots proud like peacox parading a proof/text reflex: 'no Rock rocks unxeroxd'    On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:52:11 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] JD finds what he claimed not to have received

So you found it JD and it looks as though you are on a roll - an anti-Judy roll at that.    On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:51:15 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Knpraise - You glibbly misuse this scripture while, at the same time,  consistently ignoring the problem that "infall

RE: [TruthTalk] Separation

  http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/separate/bibdocse.htmChurch history has proven again and again that separation is the only solution to apostasy. There is not an instance in all of church history where a denomination has departed from the Word of God and then some time later returned t

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY SAYS THAT THE WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION..TWOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

..parrots proud like peacox parading a proof/text reflex: 'no Rock rocks unxeroxd'    On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:52:11 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: except to those whose minds are equally mutually made up of mootness outa mind   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:40:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

Call it what you want but I see it as Gods Commands to a christian to keep themselves pure. It is taught in the OT & the New.   2 Co 6 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?  

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY SAYS THAT THE WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION..TWOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

except to those whose minds are equally mutually made up of mootness outa mind   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:40:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..so much so that her interpretation of any issues inc the Bible/s is unreliable at best   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:29:56 -0700 [EMAIL PROT

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY SAYS THAT THE WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION..TWOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

..so much so that her interpretation of any issues inc the Bible/s is unreliable at best   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:29:56 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: its her oft-reitierated argument for (defending her own) mindlessness radically anti-intellectual   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:53:42 -0

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its her oft-reitierated argument for (defending her own) mindlessness radically anti-intellectual   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:53:42 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: These are two rather large observations/statements. PLEASE DAVID (et al) comment on these?   Another way of s

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

Keeps the leaven out. There is a Biblical Doctrine of separation. Not very popular today, with all the error & compromise INSIDE the Church.ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Your evangelization method seems to be “Divide and Conquer.”   How’s it working for you? iz  

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

No problem with the obedience John.  I have a problem with the guy who wrote this.  Where does this guy get the idea that Moses was ill, or that he stopped at an inn? My original problem was that this verse seems totally out of place.  Read from verse thirteen to verse thirty and I think you wi

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy's defense of infallible understanding is destroyed

  -Original Message-From: KnpraiseTo: KnpraiseSent: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:35:24 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] judy's response   -Original Message-From: KnpraiseTo: KnpraiseSent: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:29:04 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] judy's response   -Original Message-

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

DAVEH: FWIW..http://scriptures.lds.org/jst/ex42427 Terry Clifton wrote: How about someone explaining Exodus 4:24? Terry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email li

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

I agree that this particular thought is out in left field; the scripture does say that God would have killed Moses but does not tell us how he would have done it.  It appears the wife was the one standing in the way and that Moses must have wanted to take care of it. earlier. The wife was a

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

well, now you've got my attention.   Perhaps someone will want  to frame this next admission but   I haven't a clue.    Study time.   jd  -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:00:36 -0600Subject: Re: [Truth

Re: [TruthTalk] JD is cutting and pasting answers

Deegan did his usual with it  --  and, of course,  failed to answer it.   Your response  --   I missed it.   jd  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:56:40 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

  Exodus 4:24 24 ¦ Now it came about at the lodging place on the way that the LORD met him and sought to put him to death. Moses was on his way back to Egypt from Midian and while stopped at an inn with his wife and two sons, he became very ill. His illness was a result of disobedience to God. H

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

Seems so weird.  One sentence God is giving Moses a message to give to pharoah, and the next sentence God is going to kill him before he can deliver the message.  His wife was probably the reason the kid had not been circumcized.  She seemed to see it as a bloody mess, and was against it until

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I don’t think he was necessarily ill, but I do think that God made it clear that if he didn’t obey that Moses was toast!  And it took his wife to see to it that he got it right—she knew why his life was in the balance.  iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Beh

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What was in left field was the statement that Moses was very sick on the way to Egypt.  Find me a verse that says that in the fourth chapter of Exodus. Judy Taylor wrote: Terry, What do you believe was out in left field about that fellow's response?  There was another incident with

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

What in the world would lead you to think that Moses was bedridden, or even slightly ill?  What am I missing? ShieldsFamily wrote: Well, that's pretty basically the same thing I've always believed. I'd be interested to hear any other explanations, too. What do you think Terry? iz -Or

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That might work for most verses, John, but this verse seems totally out of place, as if it is not even remotely connected to the verses before or after it.  Two commentaries simply say that it is hard to explain.  The link that Izzy gave me has a bunch of stuff that the Bible never said.  I don

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

Terry, What do you believe was out in left field about that fellow's response?  There was another incident with Moses when he struck the rock twice after God told him to speak to the rock.  For this he was not permitted to enter the Promised Land with the ppl he had been leading for all tho

Re: [TruthTalk] JD is cutting and pasting answers

JD - I've answered this response earlier today and now you have put it on two messages, one in response to me and another responding to Kevin.  Surely you haven't run out of things to say   On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:22:05 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   You glibbly

RE: [TruthTalk] Exodus

Well, that's pretty basically the same thing I've always believed. I'd be interested to hear any other explanations, too. What do you think Terry? iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:49 PM To:

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

  You glibbly misuse this scripture while, at the same time,  consistently ignoring the problem that "infallible understanding" brings into the discussion.   You Judy, believe that both the bible  and your reading of the text are inspired  -   they cannot be wrong.   The problem with this assertio

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

  You glibbly misuse this scripture while, at the same time,  consistently ignoring the problem that "infallible understanding" brings into the discussion.   You Judy, believe that both the bible  and your reading of the text are inspired  -   they cannot be wrong.   The problem with this ass

Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus

My Sunday School teacher of many years past would give you this answer:  Well,  Terry,  I suppose it means just exactly what it says."    How am I doing ???   jd  -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, December 05, 20

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I appreciate the link, Iz, but this guy is so far out in left field that he is not even in the game. I am still looking for an explanation for this verse if anyone here has any insight. Terry = ShieldsFamily wrote: http://www.scr

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

I can certainly say that there are times when I understood a scripture, and later understood it even better for one reason or another. I believe God has only one purpose for scripture, but as we grow we learn more deeply what the verses mean.  A baby Believer can believe the Word, but a mat

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

Your evangelization method seems to be “Divide and Conquer.”   How’s it working for you? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 1:05 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is

Re: [TruthTalk] Good Column and Relevant FYI

Thanks Judy.  A keeper. Terry Judy Taylor wrote: No fear: Overcoming Bible trauma By Bob Just

Re: [TruthTalk] WHEN OPINION IS KING...SOME OF JUDY'S & DAVID'S CITATIONS

David who?  This is just one more of JD's accusations.  David has better sense   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:23:26 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: WHEN OPINION IS KING...SOME OF JUDY'S & DAVID'S CITATIONS   From: Judy Taylor On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:06:52 -0500 [EMAIL PROT

Re: [TruthTalk] Infallible understanding???

    On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:19:58 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Did this come thru this morning?  Second post.    Not to me ... From: Knpraise You glibbly misuse this scripture while, at the same time,  consistently ignoring the problem that "infallible un

[TruthTalk] WHEN OPINION IS KING...SOME OF JUDY'S & DAVID'S CITATIONS

  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 05, 2005 14:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] From the King of dissension and name calling     On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:06:52 -0500 [EM

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

 Did this come thru this morning?  Second post.   -Original Message-From: KnpraiseTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:15:36 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination? You glibbly misu

Re: [TruthTalk] From the King of dissension and name calling

    On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:06:52 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Says  one "King" to another  "King."  From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is so silly Lance? From what you write I get the impression that your own opinion is King... prove me wrong. please!!   On

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

Actually, Linda,, you have said something that is produndly the case.  If we can acknowledge that there may be one truth per passage but a multitude of purposes (in God's mind) for considering that scripture.   But, of course,  those of you who believe in inspired personal interpretation  (IPT) ca

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

Many of the major denoms asked this same question in the early 1900's Many stayed inside to keep the denom in the faith but instead went down with the ship. I was in a Presbyterian Church ( in the 60's) when the New Pastor fresh out of seminary brought his Leaven with him. He was a LOST man. I n

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices"

  You did not deal specifically with my comment.   Are you saying that the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers are not to be given heed?    That they are a part of the "old system?"   Houston, we have a problem.   Judy cannot square her doctrine of "infallible understanding" with

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

Says  one "King" to another  "King."  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:00:07 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH? What is so silly

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

 then what’s the point?   purity   First off one must be IN the Lord before they can grow thereby. I am not interested in Union with those that can not discern the holy from the profane. ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Kevin, is there no way we can find common gro

[TruthTalk] The Tongue

Perfect example, Lance.  If Jesus is not Lord over our tongue, what else matters?  Our words should be governed by His words.  That means we will only speak words that are His Truths.  I like speaking in agreement with His Word! Do you have any suggestions for how we might be more faithful

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

That’s my point.  Do you want to bicker over disagreements 100% of the time, or walk together in the areas that we DO agree at least part of the time?  Perhaps there is nothing we agree on; is that what you are saying? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Beha

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

Kevin, is there no way we can find common ground upon which to grow in the Lord together, or exhort each other in holiness? Is that agreeing with the devil in your estimation?  If we are only here to disparage and devour each other, then what’s the point? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY SAYS THAT THE WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION..TWOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

I have more than two witnesses: Dust off your Bible and look at: 1 Cor 2:12-16 along with 1 John 2:27 John 14:26 1 Thess 4:9   On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:17:25 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you have a "second witness?"   Remember  --  it is not binding  (according to Judy) if the te

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

How about the dreaded tongue? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 05, 2005 12:00 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination? Th

Re: [TruthTalk] Scholarship in action!

Horatius Bonar (1808-1889) Vincent, the Non-conformist minister, in his volume on the great plague and fire in London, entitled God's Terrible Voice in the City, gives a description of the manner in which the faithful ministers who remained amid the danger discharged their solemn duties to the dyin

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices"

Tares are NOT ONLY in the pews JD, Where have you been?   On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:29:09 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You did not deal specifically with my comment.   Are you saying that the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers are not to be given heed?    That

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JD says As with many words,  "predestined" might carry a different meaning to you than to myself.    There is no more Different meaning than that of the "FALL"   The FALL? Well it is A MOST IMPORTANT LDS Doctrine!  "It is not possible to believe in Christ and his atoning sacrifice, in the tru

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

Scholarship is NOT the "medium" God chose? Barth is not the Mediator?Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jesus Himself has some input on this subject - Are you interested in hearing what He has to say???   "If you abide in My word (hold fast to My teachings and live in accordance with th

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

Amen, lets ALL get together!!!  Lu 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.   Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of dev

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices"

Beat that OL Straw Man to death! The Inspired KJV & the Infallible Understanding!Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: NO!!    I am not saying any of what you are carrying on about below And show me where I have introduced the term "infallible understanding" - this also is all your

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY SAYS THAT THE WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION..TWOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

Since this Interpretation thingy is such a BIG problem, let's try a TEST again.   Theory "There are MANY INTERPRETATIONS"   Please provide ONE ALTERNATE INTERPRETATION (since there are MANY just ONE will do): JN 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

That is a very good beginning!!!  What is He Lord of in your life? Is there any area where He is not Lord in our lives? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:46 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: R

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

Just trying to prove my point?   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:47 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?   ASS U ME??

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

Are you an Ecumenist? "It is better to have divisions than an evil uniformity." Walter Cradock If we all get together we WILL most assuredly conform to the lowest common denominator Evil!   Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

 If we can all accept that bit of profundity,  we then, can understand why there are differences of opinion about who He is and associated concerns and yet serve the same Jesus.      I'll stick with the book instead of this so called "Same Jesus"   But there were false prophets also among the

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

What if we can find some areas of Agreement with the Devil? Why do LDS always look for areas of agreement? You must Buy the problem before you Bite the apple!   And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?   ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Perhaps we shou

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

Phase 1 create problem Phase 2 create solution   Phase 1 look at all the different understandings of scripture! Phase 2 Mormon "we have a Prophet" Phase 2 RCC "we have a Prophet/POPE" Phase 2 Scholar "we have a Degree and understand the context and culture. We speak & read the Original langua

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Because discussions based on coulda, shoulda, woulda are nothing more than opinions that most times lead to RANK HERESY   Exhibit ONE  MormonismShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Because it is a hypothetical question and we have better things to think about???  

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Well,   I don't know if it surprises me.    But,  I do not think we have given enough attention to developing a thorough understanding of  their existence before and after the "fall."   It seems to me that the "fall" is more clearly taught in Church Tradition than exegetically.  But I am guilt

[TruthTalk] JUDY QUOTES JN 8:31,32 i ASSUME to demonstrte that Scripture needs no interpretation

Is that what you're doing, Judy? 'Splain it to me, please?

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

Jesus Himself has some input on this subject - Are you interested in hearing what He has to say???   "If you abide in My word (hold fast to My teachings and live in accordance with them), you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth and the truth will make you free" (Jn 8:31,32 Amp

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

ASS U ME?? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 05, 2005 10:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH? The question is: Do YOU understand that truth??? We don’t kno

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices"

NO!!    I am not saying any of what you are carrying on about below And show me where I have introduced the term "infallible understanding" - this also is all yours   On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:29:09 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You did not deal specifically with my commen

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

JESUS IS LORD! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 05, 2005 10:28 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination? Perhaps we should

RE: [TruthTalk] Exodus

http://www.scripturessay.com/q279b.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:19 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Exodus How about someone explaining Exodus 4:24? Terry

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY SAYS THAT THE WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION..TWOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

Since you didn’t ask me, I’ll attempt to answer that. J I think those whose agenda is to twist the meaning of scripture call it “Interpretation”.  (I’ll leave names out of this!)  Those who attempt to just read the simple meaning of a text call it “Teaching”.  The only thing I see we need i

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices"

You did not deal specifically with my comment.   Are you saying that the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers are not to be given heed?    That they are a part of the "old system?"   Houston, we have a problem.   Judy cannot square her doctrine of "infallible understanding" with t

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

True Iz But one must begin somewhere, so how about we agree at a surface level; we are not even there yet and won't be so long as we have so many other 'mediators'.   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:17:02 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I can agree with you that much, Lance,

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

Perhaps we should gather around that upon which we do agree, even on the most elementary levels.  iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:23 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY SAYS THAT THE WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION..TWOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

For my sake WILL YOU AND DAVID MILLER (who would appear to believe as you do on this matter) explain how THE WORD OF GOD NEEDING NO INTERPRETATION and, THE TWO OF YOU OFFERING INTERPRETATIONS OF THIS SAME WORD (check yourself on this) ARE IN NO WAY CONTRADICTORY?  - Original Message --

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

It is the Jesus that gives life to the "new man" and brings life to those who give Him honor and place in their lives.    Lance mentioned something to the effect that we do not understand THOROUGHLY.   If we can all accept that bit of profundity,  we then, can understand why there are differences

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY SAYS THAT THE WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO INTERPRETATION..TWOG IS SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED

Do you have a "second witness?"   Remember  --  it is not binding  (according to Judy) if the teaching is only taught on a single occasion.    jd  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

So then, Judy, Terry says of my post, 'very good, Lance, while you go on being just plain silly! Apparently I'm not self-interpreting. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 05, 20

RE: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

I can agree with you that much, Lance, as there are ever-deeper meanings in scripture than we have yet scratched the surface of.  (How’s that for a dangling participle?)  I think we will spend eternity discovering those deeper meanings and will forever praise God for the miracles of His Wor

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY ASKS: Is Jesus..the figment of my (Judy is also 'some theologian') prolific imagination?

You glibbly misuse this scripture while, at the same time,  consistently ignoring the problem that "infallible understanding" brings into the discussion.   You Judy, believe that both the bible  and your reading of the text are inspired  -   they cannot be wrong.   The problem with this assertion 

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

The question is: Do YOU understand that truth??? We don’t know, since you don’t ever Tell.  (So we can only assume you don’t!)   And how do we discern who, specifically, does accurately “represents” the true Christ?  Could it be by observing their Fruit???  Iz   John 15:5 "I am the vin

RE: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

And what might that be, Lance?   Lance??  Are you there, Lance???    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 4:59 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst ..

RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

Thanks, Blaine.  You are way off, I’m sorry to have to tell you.  iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:21 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm   In a

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Because it is a hypothetical question and we have better things to think about???   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:09 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--A&E   DA

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

What is so silly Lance? From what you write I get the impression that your own opinion is King... prove me wrong. please!!   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:55:46 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy:You are just being silly, silly, silly!! Wasnew? From: Judy Taylor  

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

Judy:You are just being silly, silly, silly!! Wasnew? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 05, 2005 08:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUAT

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

Blaine, who is speaking in you Nephi quote? Jesus or the Father? It says that the law was fulfilled in Him (Jesus?), but also says He delivered the law (the Father). Sounds like Nephi thought they are one and the same. This is yet more evidence of the Trinity in the Bom! Thanks for that littl

[TruthTalk] Good Column and Relevant FYI

No fear: Overcoming Bible trauma By Bob Just I've been a writer for many years, working on all kinds of projects from screenplays to corporate speeches to playwriting to academic essays to journalism and commentary. As a former English teacher, I've read all kinds of writing but never any

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices"

Yes and under the old system he provided Moses seat and who sat there? Did Jesus encourage the ppl to follow them?  He said listen to what they say (because back then they were in charge of the scriptures) but they were not doers of the Word and Jesus told the ppl not to do what they did beca

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy asks:WHAT STANDARD, PLUMBLINE..EVALUATING TRUTH?

PS: Which Jesus did you evaluate Francis Schaeffers teachings in the light of?   On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:36:39 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: And which Jesus is this? The Mormon Jesus? Jesus God's Word? The "incarnational" Jesus?   On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:22:33 -0600 Te

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