John wrote:> But don't you see that if we regard gluttony> and homosexuality the same, we cannot> order anyone out of our churches? Where> would we be if sinners were actually allowed> and even encouraged to attend?If a person in the church professing to be a brother in Christ believed that he
Hi David. I really cannot say it any more clearly that I have done in my brief paragraph below. That Paul is speaking of the sins experienced by homosexuals appears to be the case. But, as I have said, by the time one gets to 1:32 , he will see that Paul is addressing the large community
David Miller wrote:>> Do you think homosexuals need special protection>> from prejudice just as other minority ethnic groups>> would? Are you in agreement with the legalization>> of homosexuality and adultery?John wrote:> Well, if we are going to keep them from having jobs;> if we are going to ki
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From: Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/4/2006 1:31:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy
If you cannot find such, then I will apologize to you.DAVEH: YikesDid I really write that (yes)...I need to
Dave, you wrote so much that I almost hate offering you such a short answer,
but that really is all that is necessary here.
What you fail to understand is that your post that escalated the problems
was a joke hinged upon two TruthTalk members who were not married to each
other, but had their ow
John wrote:
> But don't you see that if we regard gluttony
> and homosexuality the same, we cannot
> order anyone out of our churches? Where
> would we be if sinners were actually allowed
> and even encouraged to attend?
If a person in the church professing to be a brother in Christ believed th
No, I meant "approves of."
Children do not have the false stereotypes and judgmental attitude that
adults often have. Children also more readily accept what they are taught
by somebody older than them. Therefore, the kind of evangelism that John
and others of his mindset engage in works very
David Miller wrote:
>> Do you think homosexuals need special protection
>> from prejudice just as other minority ethnic groups
>> would? Are you in agreement with the legalization
>> of homosexuality and adultery?
John wrote:
> Well, if we are going to keep them from having jobs;
> if we are goin
I have read Nee more than Penn-Lewis, but Nee and I have a lot of
differences. Much of what he attributes to the "soul," I would categorize
as body. Nevertheless, this is primarily a difference in how we define
terms. My biology background probably accounts for most of this. Nee's
perspecti
I think the line of thinking here is that those given over to sin in the
extreme, such as homosexuals, practice a wide range of sinful behavior that
God condemns. A Jew might condemn an adulterer or homosexual in focusing
upon one aspect of his sin, but if he rightly looked at WHY God condemns
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/4/2006 10:08:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation
I'm fully aware that a case can made for that which you, DM, Iz and, Judy, in differing fashions, claim to have achieved in yo
Innocent until
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From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 04, 2006 13:31
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about
free speech thingy
If you cannot find such, then
I will apologize to you.DAVEH:
Yikes
There is no "new law" JD; the law is the law. Jesus gave a new commandment which the Promise of the Father (Holy Spirit)
enables us to perform whereas the ppl under the old covenant with no supernatural help had a difficult time performing. Also
the blood of bulls and goats could not cleanse the
If you cannot find such, then I will
apologize to you.
DAVEH: YikesDid I really write that (yes)...I need to
reread stuff before I post it! What I meant to say Dean, is that it is
YOU who should apologize to me IF you cannot find evidence of me saying
to the effect that I suppo
Amen! Good to have you as moderator. Take a deep
breath and think 'ecumenical'!
Lance
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Dean -- jd
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Dean, let me encourage you to continue. If you need to take a break, then that is what you must do.
I want to express my appreciation to you for the change in attitude that has been obvious, now, for the past se
There is no "new law" JD; the law is the law. Jesus gave a new
commandment which the Promise of the Father (Holy Spirit)
enables us to perform whereas the ppl under the old covenant with no
supernatural help had a difficult time performing. Also
the blood of bulls and goats could not cleanse
Good but, not God.
"What we have here is a failure to communicate"
Spoken by 'the captain' to 'Luke' in 'Cool Hand Luke'. This is one remarkable
flick!
So much virtual 'ink' is spilled on TT when we
write/quote/cite from the framework that all that needs saying just was said (by
us, of course) along with the
I must learn to make my points with less words but somewhat as effective as is this observation. To the point and thoroughly disarming. Brilliantly profound .
yf jd
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I'm fully aware that a case can mad
cd: The need for the sin offerings wasn't because the people could not do as instructed- Dean !! the offerings of bulls and goats was, indeed, for sin AS DEFINED BY THE LAW. Before the law, there was not sin (no definition for sin.) it is a way of removing the quarrel we had with God by
I'm fully aware that a case can made for that which
you, DM, Iz and, Judy, in differing fashions, claim to have achieved in your
lives, Dean. IFO believe this "case" to be abstracted from the realities of
life...even/especially..the life of any believer. Your concluding comment
concerning 'p
All you have proven is the difference between judgment under Law and judgment under the rule of the Spirit - judgment for the disciples of Christ after the establishment of the New Law (Jere 31"31-34). Your gospel as presented in the comments below is a gospel absent grace. It is a false gosp
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Sent: 2/4/2006 8:43:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Bill I can agree with yours-and Johns- presentation and of dualism in the brethren for a time. But I also feel one must allow for the g
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/4/2006 9:06:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation
Respectfully and, may it please the court...maturation this side of ...eschatological consummation...amen! Sinlessness this si
Apostacizing a possibility?
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 04, 2006 09:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd
2 cd)
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From:
Taylor
Respectfully and, may it please the
court...maturation this side of ...eschatological consummation...amen!
Sinlessness this side of eschatological consummation..DANGER WILL SMITH (if you
'google' this phrase you'll see 'heretical ideals...appropriately)
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From: Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/3/2006 11:12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
cd: Yes-that is why God will hold these sins to their accountably.To think otherwise would make the God we know a mean Spirit who puni
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Sent: 2/4/2006 7:52:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation
Another thing . this argument "God will not ask of us what we cannot do" is something you ne
How 'bout grammar check, Lance?
Bill I can agree with yours-and Johns- presentation and of dualism in the brethren for a time. But I also feel one must allow for the guidance of the Holy Spirit to stronger levels of Holiness that will press the old man into total subjection for this is pleasing to God. Love would be the domina
What about "My people perish for lack of knowledge?" JD
Their sin was one of ignorance but they perished nonetheless; this is why
young
Christians need to be instructed. Sin brings a curse and death
regardless. You need to
revise your modus operandi. judyt
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:31:59 +00
His resurrected body is flesh and bone David but it has no blood
and the man described in Revelation 1 certainly is not the one walking
about
in the four gospels doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the
devil.
I don't think a degree in biology equips anyone to understand all of
this, no
Here are some thoughts that figure into our dicussion of dualism. Seems worth sharing.
In 1985 I read an excellent article called "Worship: Foundation for> Reality" by Steve Robbins, PhD, who was at that time pastor of a> Vineyard in Oxnard, California. One of the things he explained wa
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From: Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/3/2006 10:55:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
It may be helpful to distinguish between duality and dualism.
cd; Yeah what he said:-)
I'll defer to John's comments for now, Dean, as his are insightf
Another thing . this argument "God will not ask of us what we cannot do" is something you need to rethink.
Have you never said "Come on , walk to Daddy" ?? Have you never received instruction (Dean, do this and then do that) that you could not [at first] do?
to imagine
In print, you are kind of a scary guy !! But I like it.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Quoting this Scripture does not mean nothing but, it comes pretty close. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTE
Dean, if righteousness is by law, we have no need of a Savior !!
And where, in all this, is your concept of matuity and maturing?
jd
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Sent: 2/3/2006 12:02:21 PM
Subject: Re
Quoting this Scripture does not mean nothing but, it comes pretty close.
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From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "TruthTalk"
Sent: February 04, 2006 06:52
Subject: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?
Rev.2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth
Overcoming is of Divine Intervention and not of personal effort. That we partner in this effort is a given --- but God recieves ALL the credit because it is His work that brings the victory. Rev 2:26 is an indicative, not an imperative !!
The correct response to these words (Rev 2:
Clarification please:
Did this conversation commence with an illustration
involving 'Zack & Liz'? Was the issue at hand the capacity for obedience
prior to the 'Christ factor'?
Next comes a discussion re: some sort of
complete/unwavering/moment-by-moment obedience including the 'Christ
f
My personal view is that the First Church committed it's first organizational sin when it confused assingment of task with assingment of position.
If "apostleship" is a position, " apostolic succession" is a necessity as is all the evils associated with position, maneuverings, the usu
I have been a little surprised at the resistance of some to the idea that God is obligated to a particular course of action. Paul speaks of being constrained by love and even goes so far as to give definition to the action of love (I Cor 13: 4-7), suggesting that if love is to prevail,
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Sent: 2/3/2006 12:02:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation
S, the moment of "conversion" presents one with the full ability to be sinless?
Please tell me you are
Rev.2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him
will I give power over the nations
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