Peace be with you.David Miller.
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Hi David, thank you for your response.
I am not an expert on Servetus and did not live in Geneva so like you I am depending on written accounts by others - and
it appears as though ther
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Your quote from Dave Hunt's book is great. I have no problems with
his facts or how he explains the connection between Calvin and the City
Council. What he says below is
Dean wrote:
>>> Calvin said God gave him his authority
>>> to kill-God clearly did not do
Bill Taylor wrote:
>> Where did Calvin say that?
Dean wrote:
> J. Calvin wrote:
> Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put
> heretics and blasphemers to death will knowingly
> and willingly incur t
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now. God bless.
Peace be with you.David Miller.
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of
Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moorecd: So what is the capital
crime?Blasphemy? Better read Titus 1:9-13 Where we are instructed to
silence the false teachers by sound doctrine and to rebuke them sharply-not
kill them be show they are wr
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I thought perhaps a little separation was in order :>)
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> Date: 11/29/2005 11:51:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil
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> cd: So what is the capital crime?Blasphemy? Better read
7;s? Think about it.
I'm off to meeting with the saints now. God bless.
Peace be with you.David Miller.
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Obviously you do not know what the thread is about
JD.
You need to read previous emails and give them some
thought before commenting.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:02:05 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy -- what in the world could you possibly point to in
Bill's writing in the most re
thing to argue about. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:47:29 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean
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- yes they are to be "examples" to
t
e -
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- yes they are to be &q
Are you reading from the Latin Vulgate Bill? My
Bible calls them "elders" - yes they are to be "examples" to
the flock but Jesus is head of the Church and they are
at best undershepherds. How would it have been
possible for one of these men living in Geneva to reign
in John Calvin?
On Wed
cd writes: Better read Titus 1:9-13
jt writes: Where in scripture does one find a
"Bishop-led" Church?
Titus 1.7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God;
not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to
filthy lucre; 8 But a lover of hospitality, a
cast the first
stone." Bill
Your standards then are obviously different than God's
are Bill.
>>>> > [Original Message]> > From:
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To:
<TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>>
> Date: 11/28/2005 5:27:44 PM&g
DAVEH: Thank you for your thoughtful reply, Judy. No further
discussion from this end
Judy Taylor wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:12:37 -0800 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
How would you be able to discern truth
DaveH when you are already deceived by the r
I thought perhaps a little separation was in order
:>)
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From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To
t the first stone."
Bill
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> > [Origin
exactly how many of
his acts are you directly aware of?
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:47:09 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Enough of them. jt
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:22:06 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
all of them,
jt? please address this question, too, as you
Enough of them. jt
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all of them,
jt? please address this question, too, as you describe 'the record'
for us
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writes:
Calvin's acts as the spiri
all of them,
jt? please address this question, too, as you describe 'the record'
for us
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:47:59 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Calvin's acts as the spiritual head of the city of
Geneva are on the record
> [Original Message]
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Date: 11/29/2005 2:45:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil
man' says Dean Moore
>
> Dean, I have been spending too much time on e-mail an
I agree that I've been rescued from the miry clay a few
times but can you explain how I am deceived by Calvin
and Calvinism? Also what hyperbole?
Calvin's acts as the spiritual head of the city of Geneva are on the
record
Proverbs 20:11 tells us that even a child is known by
what he does.
Dean, I have been spending too much time on e-mail and must back off. I
just want to make a few comments.
I am not a fan of Calvin. Please try to remember that. In the matter of
Calvin and Servetus, I am on the side of Servetus in the sense that I do not
support "thought police." In other w
tment'..
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On
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:12:37 -0800 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
How would you be able to discern truth DaveH when you
are already deceived by the religion you were
either born into or have chosen to follow?
DAVEH: It seems pretty obvious to me that at
least one o
DaveH wrote:
> Either wayit leads me to believe truth is pretty
> illusive on TT. Forgive me for harping on that theme,
> but it has become pretty apparent recently that truth
> really isn't the focus of TT. If anything, it seems to be
> more a place to argue truth without real truth being
>
> [Original Message]
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: 11/28/2005 5:27:44 PM
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man' says Dean Moore
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> cd wrote:
> At one point,it is true,Calvin wanted Se
Even a book about guns?
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Sent: November 29, 2005 09:31
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beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore
Here is the absolute truth
How would you be able to discern truth
DaveH when you are already deceived by the
religion you were either born into or have
chosen to follow?
DAVEH: It seems pretty obvious to me that at least one of the
positions put forth on TT about Calvin is wrong, Judy. I don't quite
see how both yo
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DAVEH: Thanx for your advice
Here is the absolute truth. Calvin was a sinner, just like you , just
like me. God has all the facts and has treated him justly. It is not
something we need to worry about. There are people who need loving and
souls that need saving. You cannot do either with your nose in a book.
Terry
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:26:04 -0800 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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DAVEH: Thanx for your advice on this, DavidM...especially
considering your time constraints.
Not that I want to open
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 04:45:28 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore
On Mon, 28 No
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:26:04 -0800 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DAVEH: Thanx for your advice on this, DavidM...especially
considering your time constraints.
Not that I want to open another can of worms, but in light of my
discussion (if it could be called that) with
DAVEH: Thanx for your advice on this, DavidM...especially considering
your time constraints.
Not that I want to open another can of worms, but in light of my
discussion (if it could be called
that) with Perry and whether or not there is any truth to be found on
TT, these exchanges you
David, I have Will Durant's book on the Reformation and
some other historical
type works that say much the same as what Dean is
writing. Why do you call
these ppl "enemies of Calvin?" I certainly would
not seek something written by
a "Calvinist" for an objective view and I don't believe
yo
cd wrote:
At one point,it is true,Calvin wanted Servetus beheaded. Beheading was
employed for civil offences, and Calvin wanted it to appear to be a civil
matter rather than a religious one. But as there were no grounds for this,
the idea had to be given up.( Fisk, Calvinistic Paths Retraced. p.116
> [Original Message]
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Date: 11/27/2005 7:39:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil
man' says Dean Moore
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> Dean wrote:
> > -No I did not read the entire wo
There is more history to this than you are considering. If you want a
more objective historian's viewpoint who still sides against Calvin,
consider Schaff's History of the Christian Church. You can read his
treatment at http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/history/8_ch16.htm
I did go to and read
DAVEH:> So where's the truth? Judy posted a pretty
compelling> argument that was diametrically opposed to DavidM's>
comments. Which is correct?
All you have to do, Dave, is read more history from both sides. What
you find is that many people spin the facts however they want to spin
it.
DAVEH:
> So where's the truth? Judy posted a pretty compelling
> argument that was diametrically opposed to DavidM's
> comments. Which is correct?
All you have to do, Dave, is read more history from both sides. What you
find is that many people spin the facts however they want to spin it. Th
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> Dea
DAVEH: So where's the truth? Judy posted a pretty compelling argument
that was diametrically opposed to DavidM's comments. Which is correct?
Lance Muir wrote:
You, David, write as a student of theological history. This is a fair
treatment of Calvin. Thanks for this.
--
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> > > Dean wrote:> >> -No I did not read the
entire work-but as you know> >> we can know a tree
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:39:58 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Dean
wrote:> > -No I did not read the entire work-but as you know>
> we can know a tree by its fruit-when A Saints plan> > and carries
out a gruesome death of another Christian> > and later shows no
remorse the
You, David, write as a student of theological history. This is a fair
treatment of Calvin. Thanks for this.
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Dean wrote:
> -No I did not read the entire work-but as you know
> we can know a tree by its fruit-when A Saints plan
> and carries out a gruesome death of another Christian
> and later shows no remorse they have nothing that I
> want to study to find truth.
Such a comment tells me that you do not
> [Original Message]
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> Date: 11/25/2005 3:16:37 PM
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> Dean wrote:
> > I had the set ...
>
> You
to him. jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:11:23 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean MooreWhat is your
You got it !! -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:45:36 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore
Translation I was go
rom: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:11:23 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean MooreWhat is your point? You are INTREATING me? Your point is you h
ent: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:11:23 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore
What is your point? You are INTREATING me?
Your point is you have no hope of dealing with the issues and have RUN out of caricatures and false accusatio
defending yourself , did you get my point? -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:28:14 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dea
While you are busy defending yourself , did you get my point? -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:28:14 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man&
ory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:27:51 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean MoorePaul is not saying that ignorant or stupid people have been intrusted with the gospel of Christ. He could not be! ENtrusted:
Read and noted, thanks,
Bill
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e-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:27:51 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore
Paul is not saying that ignorant or stupid people have been intr
: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:24:26 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean MooreYou are Bill and not Lance who made the "
the Church. We
are all at the mercy of a God who is able to turn the lights on or off at
will.
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ith that. You prove nothing by so doing.
jd
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:24:26 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an
down just when it starts getting good isn't it?? Thank you for being a friend, Bill- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's
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Oh the ignoranc
5 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean MooreFor those of us who geniuinely have difficulty in understanding your point. Does IDIOT qualify. You do not have to answer, (as if you would - someone has a blind spot) we alread
Ad homs aside, Kevin: who called whom an
idiot?
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vil jumps in
and shuts it down just when it starts getting good isn't it?? Thank you for being a friend, Bill- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re:
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Oh the ignorance of those who don't see things the
way you do again Lance along wi
Well you know Don't you? .. Wada you some kinda IDIOT or sumpin? Lance is so crooked he cant see a theif and he continualy leaves out his leaders name. Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What "invective" filled language Lance? Examples please On Fri,
Dean wrote:
> I had the set ...
You HAD the set? Do you still have it? Did you ever read the entire work?
Dean wrote concerning Calvin:
> ... I see a lost man trying to understand
> the bible what part did you like?
What about most of it? Very little of it involves burning heretics at the
st
Oh the ignorance of those who don't see things the way
you do again Lance along with the fact that you are unable or
unwilling to produce an example of invective filled
language coming from me. Let's see "INVECTIVE"
Noah Webster 1828 - Invective Noun A railing speech or
_expression_; s
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What "invective" filled lan
What "invective" filled language Lance?
Examples please
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:36:37 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
AND I DARESAY Judy, that your invective-filled
language on TT would equal or surpass that of John Calvin WITHOUT QUESTION!!
(In all candor so would m
ement' that we all might
aspire to.
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cd: I had the set-I see a lost man trying to understand the bible what
part did you like? Calvin used Luke 14:2
Paul did much the same thing. -Original Message-From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:54:50 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore
cd: I had the
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Cd: 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore
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Cd: 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean
Moore
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:24:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Obviously spoken by someone who has never read the man.
Not one who has ever read 'The Insitute' would ever say such
as this!
Bor
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Obviously spoken by someone who has never read the man. Not one who has ever read 'The Insi
Obviously spoken by someone who has never read the
man. Not one who has ever read 'The Insitute' would ever say such as this!
Borrow the 2 volume set, Dean. Prayerfully, give it a few hours. You may
thereafter wish to apologize.
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