Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-09-12 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   DavidM.I do hope you are now back online, and OK.  My guess is that you are relatively quiet because you are out ministering to those who suffered through Katrina.is that a good guess?     Why do you think God allowed Satan to screw up the Lord's plan, causing such pain a

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Good plan, David. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:49 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us Izzy wrote: > ... I'd love to cast t

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-26 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: > ... I'd love to cast the devil out of her! But how > do I know she would want me to? Do I ask her > permission (she'd never agree that she needs > it.) Would she wind up worse than before? Ending up worse than before is a very important consideration. I would not recommend doing an

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-26 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: > I have trouble understanding this too, David. > Why did God choose to love Jacob? I can > see His love for Abraham. Abe never questioned > God, never took advantage of others, never hesitated > to follow directions, but Jacob promised to tithe "IF". > He conned his brother, took ad

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-24 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   Whew..!       :-[ Terry Clifton wrote: It may surprise you to hear this, but they were not! Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH:    And.would they happen to be TTers?   Terry Clifton wrote:   I have known an awful lot of people who were si

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread knpraise
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:28:22 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us clearly they eventually evicted him--that's all they did, all that Paul meant/expected them to do until the dude got the message about sin and pride   ftr, women using this

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, I loved your stories. I have absolutely no problem with casting out devils when it should be done. I simply am unsure of when that is! For example, this friend of a new friend of mine buddies around with a woman that is on lithium for a dx of bipolar, and I don't "like" being around her. S

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Agreed; all disease is part of the curse that has been laid on this fallen world.  However, not all are indications, necessarily, of demonic activity I believe. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor jt: Eczema, bowel cancer

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy in blue:   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:50 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us   I am thinking that a one-to-one association

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread ttxpress
clearly they eventually evicted him--that's all they did, all that Paul meant/expected them to do until the dude got the message about sin and pride   ftr, women using this info/passage to incorporate Satan into their current church counseling is blatant false teaching, like witchiness   i

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Judy Taylor
    Read it again Gary; Paul told them to turn him over to who?? And no witches would not include Satan; they are nature worshippers who don't even believe there is a devil. When are you going to do your homework first?     On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:51:30 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread ttxpress
myth (ftr, obviously God didn't use Satan in 1Corinth/5: "The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient for him." (2Corinth/2); wouldn't it be e.g. witches who'd inc Satan in the 'majority', as below?)   On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:52:20 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> write

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread ttxpress
hey i don't mind you striking dualistic psychobabble from y/our conversation/s--aIn't into witchy orthodoxy   "..this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ..While I was [on Earth], I protected [my ppl] and kept them safe by that name you gave me..My

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Terry Clifton
I have trouble understanding this too, David.  Why did God choose to love Jacob?  I can see His love for Abraham.  Abe never questioned God, never took advantage of others, never hesitated to follow directions, but Jacob promised to tithe "IF". He conned his brother, took advantage of his fathe

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Terry Clifton
It may surprise you to hear this, but they were not! Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH:    And.would they happen to be TTers?   Terry Clifton wrote:   I have known an awful lot of people who were sick in one way or another, but only two that I am certain were demon possesse

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Debbie Sawczak
m: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us >I don't think anyone is saying that if the brain is involved then demons are > involved, if that is wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:12:30 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth ('we' meaning you and jt fusing demonology/exorcism with counseling psychobabble would be the deplorable proof--(her) 'Paul as witch doctor who used Satan to heal incest' orthodoxy reveals the road her brand dualism is tr

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: > I think one man was a little too concerned for > the here and now and the other a selfish lying > jerk. Does either of these descriptions sound > like love to you? Does it sound like love? No, it sounds like maybe you hate both Jacob and Esau, but you like Esau a little bit better

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread ttxpress
myth ('we' meaning you and jt fusing demonology/exorcism with counseling psychobabble would be the deplorable proof--(her) 'Paul as witch doctor who used Satan to heal incest' orthodoxy reveals the road her brand dualism is traveling to lay its mental overlay on the bible/church come hell

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:    And.would they happen to be TTers?   Terry Clifton wrote:   I have known an awful lot of people who were sick in one way or another, but only two that I am certain were demon possessed. Terry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.c

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread ttxpress
myth ("shouldn't you..have put out of your fellowship the man who did this?" is not advice)     On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:59:12 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  [the Ap Paul] counselled turning the man over to Satan.. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread David Miller
not mean that we are thinking bad about the person. Please reconsider your last sentence. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Same here, on both counts. (Maybe I should think about it more often?)   Debbie   - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us Can&#

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Terry Clifton
Can't offer an answer, Judy.  Never saw the movie and do not often think about demons or possession. Terry Judy Taylor wrote: Terry/Debbie: I don't understand why ppl are so hung up on "possession"  Is the "exorcist" movie responsible for this?  It is not the language of scrip

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Judy Taylor
Terry/Debbie: I don't understand why ppl are so hung up on "possession"  Is the "exorcist" movie responsible for this?  It is not the language of scripture.  However, the fact that we are all under the influence of them to varying degrees is a scriptural fact and it is for our freedom that

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Terry Clifton
Well said, Debbie, and I agree with you with the possible exception of your last line.  To believe the best may be as big a mistake as to believe the worst.  When you do not know, the best thing to say, I would think, is that you do not know.  I have known an awful lot of people who were sick i

[TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Judy Taylor
he last couple of weeks (who says she is a> Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy>> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Miller> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:00 PM> To: TruthTalk@mail.inn

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Dave Hansen
I think you made a typo there, Judy.  Were you implying they are ingrates?.     :-D Judy Taylor wrote: I am wondering about your definition of  "intelligent" JD because in the very recent past I can recall your wearing out (to the point of throwing up their hands) - Izzy, Dav

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Judy Taylor
I like your humor DaveH  :)   On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:31:37 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I think you made a typo there, Judy.  Were you implying they are ingrates?.     :-D Judy Taylor wrote: I am wondering about your definition of  "intelligent" JD bec

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-23 Thread Judy Taylor
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:59 AMTo: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us   At Pleasant Valley they are successful when they find the spiritual root or the r

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
will worship a daily theme.) It nearly destroyed my girl.     Sometimes the worst demon is our religion.    JD     -Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak <debbie@kest.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:49:49 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and t

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Debbie Sawczak
22, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us It would be impossible for anyone with Alzheimer’s or severe dementia to do anything like acknowledge responsibility or repent.  One of our pastors is a youngish (mid 40’s?) man who has Parkinson’s. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread ttxpress
re: 'they', below, inclusive of Satan, not everyone in the Corinth church agreed (partic with Paul) on how to handle such behavior which is interesting NT fact about which you are clueless--in raw NT terms, the man was banished by the majority--there ain't no fellowship betw darkness and l

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
t: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us You need to learn how to be little more subtle, David.      I believe my point was concerning the birthright and Heb. 12:17.     As to Jacob's deceit and lies, there can be no doubt.  After revie

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
:34:36 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us     On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:54:37 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I have said before, no Christian is demon possessed.   The folks in Romans 1 certainly were not Christian  ---     jt: What were they?  The epistle is addressed t

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread David Miller
PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us You need to learn how to be little more subtle, David.      I believe my point was concerning the birthright and Heb. 12:17

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
:20:56 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us What a strange interpretation JD. I guess Esau shouldn't have been so upset over losing what he held in such low esteem anyway.  So you think Jacob and his mother outfoxed God and that everyone makes it anyway so they are just on

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
good.    JD -Original Message- From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:51:45 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us They did not steal anything, but let me see if I have your perspective right.  You hate Jac

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
the Lord."    -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <cpl2602@hotmail.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 06:23:23 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us I happen to agree

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
What a strange interpretation JD. I guess Esau shouldn't have been so upset over losing what he held in such low esteem anyway.  So you think Jacob and his mother outfoxed God and that everyone makes it anyway so they are just one big happy family?   On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:20:50 -0400 [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Exactly.  God loves those who love Him and those who seek Him early are the ones who find Him.  So in spite of Jacob's subterfuge he followed hard after God, fighting with the angel at Bethel and refusing to be distracted.  In spite of the warts he was on the right track.   On Mon, 22 Aug

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread David Miller
PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us I believe "the blessing" in v 17 refers to the birthright.  I do not believe Jacob and Esau is about spiritual values or

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
er <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:05:27 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us No, I do not agree.  "Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated."  Profane men do not inherit the kingdom of God.  Furthermore, please look at

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
No doubt   JD  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:00:31 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us You might not know, John, but I know.    Peace be with you.David Miller. - Or

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread David Miller
vid Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us I am speaking of a repentance that might effect one's destiny,  not a

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread David Miller
You might not know, John, but I know.    Peace be with you.David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us Izzy wrote: > Would you expect such success in casting out > demons in cases of Alzheimer's, where there is > atrophied brain tissue? I've never thought of Alzheimer's bein

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:59 AM To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us   At Pleasant Valley they are successful when they find the spiritual root or the reason for the curse to be there - followed by

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us   Lost to the cause  or lost personally?   Don't get me wrong.   I am not trying to get Judas saved.   I just don't think we know of his personal destiny.   Does God look to his apparent change of hear

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
CTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:17:26 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us JD wrote: > Does God look to his apparent change of > heart with any pleasure? Well, I can't imagine > God being disappointed in that particular circu

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
   JD wrote: > I personally believe that Judas was repentant unto > death. he might have been controlled for a while > -- but, again, I missed the passage that teaches such. Acts 1:17 (17) For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Luke 9:1-2 (1) Then he called his

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
o "yes  -   if we are not talking about rejection of the Lord."    -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <cpl2602@hotmail.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 06:23:23 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us I happen to agree w

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:47:06 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: evidence (from jt) of hysteria and cluelessness*:   The man in the church at Corinth [whom they cast out to Satan]  carrying on with his father's wife had a demon of lust.   jt: Correction Mr. Dylan - they turned

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Terry Clifton
22 Aug 2005 08:40:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us John 17:12 Those you gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost except the son of perdition [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread ttxpress
evidence (from jt) of hysteria and cluelessness*:   >The man in the church at Corinth [whom they cast out to Satan] carrying on with his father's wife had a demon of lust.   >Casting out Satan by the finger of God is an indication that His Kingdom is come upon us.       On Sun, 21 Aug 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: > Does God look to his apparent change of > heart with any pleasure? Well, I can't imagine > God being disappointed in that particular circumstance. > Does the cross present forgiveness to all of humanity > except Judas? Wow -- that sounds a little incredible > to me. Was Judas bet

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: > I personally believe that Judas was repentant unto > death. he might have been controlled for a while > -- but, again, I missed the passage that teaches such. Acts 1:17 (17) For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Luke 9:1-2 (1) Then he called his TWELV

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
nal Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <cpl2602@hotmail.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 06:23:23 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us I happen to agree with you, John, but absence of an example in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
bject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us John 17:12 Those you gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost except the son of perdition[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speculation, my dear.   If repentance is a "change of

[TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
At Pleasant Valley they are successful when they find the spiritual root or the reason for the curse to be there - followed by the victim acknowleding, taking responsibility, and repenting before the Lord.  Deliverance and freedom are then easy and for something like Alzheimers they would pr

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:03:32 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us What do you call those in Romans 1 who were holding the truth in unrighteousness and who God gave over to a reprobate mind to act in ways that a

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread knpraise
trayal extended from a thorough going inward wickedness,  well,  I do not agree with that.     JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:49:09 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
They are commonly treated with lithium.I've> been around someone like t hat the last couple of weeks (who says she is a> Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy>> -Original Me ssage-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Thank you Terry   On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:40:13 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John 17:12 Those you gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost except the son of perdition[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: > Would you expect such success in casting out > demons in cases of Alzheimer's, where there is > atrophied brain tissue? I've never thought of Alzheimer's being caused by evil spirits. In Alzheimer's there is definite organic destruction of brain tissue. I suppose it could be caus

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Terry Clifton
John 17:12 Those you gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost except the son of perdition [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speculation, my dear.   If repentance is a "change of mind,"  then the return of the money is clear

[TruthTalk] Adam - Sin and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Judy wrote:True David, God had delivered them out of Egypt but it took him a lot longer to get Egypt out of them  - a further 40yrs and one whole generation perishing in the wilderness to accomplish this.   Not all of them.  Joshua and Caleb were ready.  It was not God's perfect will for th

[TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't believe God expects us to morph into the second member of the Godhead David. The image the Holy Spirit speaks of in Romans 8:29 and 2 Cor 3:18 is one that happens as the Word is made flesh in us.  It is the example He left for us to follow when He was here as the Word made flesh (John

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
e Lord."    -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <cpl2602@hotmail.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 06:23:23 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us I happen to agree with you, John, but absence of an example

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
---> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Miller> Sent: Saturday, Augu st 20, 2005 12:00 PM> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us>> David Miller wrote:> >> The concept that

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
005 9:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us Izzy wrote: > But who knows how much is chemical and > how much is spiritual in any given mental illness? Just because certain symptoms are tied to a chemical basis, this does not mean that spirits are

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: > But who knows how much is chemical and > how much is spiritual in any given mental illness? Just because certain symptoms are tied to a chemical basis, this does not mean that spirits are not behind it. Smith Wigglesworth's testimony of being healed of appendicitis involves some p

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: > I don't believe He has more than one "image" > David; I don't refer to his outer form. I am > speaking of His nature and character which > has never changed. Consider the following passage: Hebrews 5:8-9 (8) Though he were a Son, YET LEARNED HE OBEDIENCE by the things which he suff

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread knpraise
-From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:40:14 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us And what about those who say they are Christian giving Him lip service but whose hearts are far from Him and wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread knpraise
about this issue.   But I do need scripture and not speculation alone.     JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:49:24 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us Possibly

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread knpraise
 -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]il.innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]il.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:45:39 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us A disciple who died demon possessed - proving that it can be d

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
low the next, and seem to me to always belooking> for someone to be angry with.  They are commonly treated with lithium.I've> been around someone like that the last couple of weeks (who says she is a> Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy>

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Lord."    -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <cpl2602@hotmail.com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 06:23:23 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us I happen to agree with you, John, but absence of an example in the Bibl

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
angry with.  They are commonly treated with lithium.I've> been around someone like that the last couple of weeks (who says she is a> Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy>> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROT

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread knpraise
ug 2005 18:21:57 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us Couldn't resist that little dig huh JD?  I have to agree that demons major in speculation and all kinds of complicated and varied theologies. Do you know some of them are expert in Greek and they just love logic.  What

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread knpraise
Well, he certainly was a disciple.   Jd  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:43:18 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us Was Judas a Christian IYO?   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread knpraise
   if we are not talking about rejection of the Lord."    -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <cpl2602@hotmail.com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 06:23:23 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us I happen to agree with you, John, but absen

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
ng> for someone to be angry with.  They are commonly treated with lithium.I've> been around someone like that the last couple of weeks (who says she is a> Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy>> -Original Message-----> From: [EMAIL PROT

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread knpraise
  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:28:42 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us JD wrote: > I think it's true that we receive much from > God before we are even really aware

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread knpraise
<jandgtaylor1@juno.com> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 02:33:17 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us What about the ppl Jesus and the disciples cast them out of - they were God's Covenant ppl weren't they?  The man

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
comfort in the fact that God is merciful as well as just.  izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us   My late father-in-law

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Thank you for sharing Debbie, If you would care to share about your experiences in Nepal, I'm sure it would be an interesting read.  judyt   On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:51:34 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Judy, I'm not making an argument, actually; I'm just sharing a de

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us Debbie, What is a "prima facie" reason? If your FIL's problem was not demonic then why do you suppose he would lash out at those who love him the most in such an erra

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Debbie, What is a "prima facie" reason? If your FIL's problem was not demonic then why do you suppose he would lash out at those who love him the most in such an erratic fashion?  The man certainly has the kind of life history that would cause him to be a prime candidate for such.  As for th

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 11:25 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So why do you put “Christian” in quotes—is she or isn’t she? I know I struggled for y

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
she is a> Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy>> -Original Message-----> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Miller> Sent: Saturday, Augu st 20, 2005 12:00 PM> To: [EMAIL PRO

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread ttxpress
God or god?   (mosta the hysterical women on this list have no clue which is which:)   On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:46:32 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The question is the same each day: who am I going to serve?

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread ttxpress
the spirit of speculation permits this type of wisdom, T   On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:14:10 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I have to question, Judy,your statement about a demon of lust.. Judy Taylor wrote: [doing] his father's wife [with] a demon of lust..

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread ttxpress
  god's word--eh?   On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:10:47 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  it took him a lot longer to get Egypt out of them

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Was Judas a Christian IYO?   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 11:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us   Christian's cannot have d

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 01:37:47 -0400 Christian's cannot have demons, Linda. Don't listen to me on this. Just go to your bible and try to find one who did not there. As long as the mind is set on the Spi

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread Terry Clifton
een around someone like that the last couple of weeks (who says she is a > Christian by the way), and it seems demonic to me. izzy > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Miller > Sent: Saturday, Augu st 20, 2005 12:00 PM &g

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: > I think it's true that we receive much from > God before we are even really aware of it, > and only later it dawns on us that he was at > work in us. But that doesn't mean it was me > all along, or that everything I did all my life > was right. It means that if I did any living of > the

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread Judy Taylor
demonic to me. izzy>> -----Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Miller> Sent: Saturday, Augu st 20, 2005 12:00 PM> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

2005-08-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us   I know it sounds abhorrent and we don't like to think about it but the Holy Spirit and the other spirit can be there at the same time.  This is true when one comes to the Lord; it is so in this world system; a

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