Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-07 Thread Judy Taylor
  Amen and Amen, Well said - Nothing like plainness of speech to communicate the oracles of God. judyt     On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:15:54 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Try to grt over the idea that the Church is a small or large organization.  It is neither  It is a living org

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-07 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: Terry wrote: > I think that when He said, "Church", He meant > Church.  If He had meant churches, He would > have said churches.   I agree.  He meant church.  The question is, did he have a specific church in mind, or did he have a huge worldwide o

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-07 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: > I think that when He said, "Church", He meant > Church.  If He had meant churches, He would > have said churches.   I agree.  He meant church.  The question is, did he have a specific church in mind, or did he have a huge worldwide organization in mind like Roman Catholicism o

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-07 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: Terry wrote: Jesus said," On this rock, I will build my Church" (singular, one.) Yes, but what did he have in mind when he said that? === I think that when He said, "Church", He meant Church.  I

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-07 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: > Jesus said," On this rock, I will build my Church" > (singular, one.) Yes, but what did he have in mind when he said that? It seems to me that he had the local church in mind. Taking this verse alone, it might be that he had one gigantic worldwide church in mind, but considering

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-06 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: Terry wrote: ... from my perspective, there can only be one Cornerstone because there is only one Christ This sounds like you don't believe that Christ is omnipresent. It indeed is fantastic to consider that in Rev. 2 & 3, when Jesus stands in the m

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-06 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: Terry wrote: I have never felt the need for a prophet other than Christ, so I am not too interested in them or the way they function. With the Bible and the Holy Spirit, I find that I have all the guidance I need. Aw, come on, Terry. :-) Get your e

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-06 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: > I have never felt the need for a prophet other than > Christ, so I am not too interested in them or the > way they function. With the Bible and the Holy Spirit, > I find that I have all the guidance I need. Aw, come on, Terry. :-) Get your eyes off of yourself. You know better

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-06 Thread Terry Clifton
Prophets may not have been in every synagogue, but it appears to me from my study of Scripture that they were in every church. Certainly the churches in Jerusalem, Antioch, Corinth, and Caesarea had them. Why would other churches be any different? Maybe you understand

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-06 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: > ... from my perspective, there can only be one > Cornerstone because there is only one Christ This sounds like you don't believe that Christ is omnipresent. It indeed is fantastic to consider that in Rev. 2 & 3, when Jesus stands in the midst of the seven candlesticks, that each

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: Terry wrote: ... the Church for the last two thousand or so years has been built on the originals. One foundation for one building is the usual ratio. I think the Roman Catholic Church is responsible for perpetuating the idea of ONE CHURCH existing t

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: > ... the Church for the last two thousand or > so years has been built on the originals. > One foundation for one building is the usual ratio. I think the Roman Catholic Church is responsible for perpetuating the idea of ONE CHURCH existing through the last two millenia. When I rea

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Dave Hansen wrote: Terry Clifton wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH:  That seems somewhat contradictory to what Paul described in Eph 2:19-20, where the fellowcitizens with the saints and the household of God (is that not referring to the greater co

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
Terry Clifton wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH:  That seems somewhat contradictory to what Paul described in Eph 2:19-20, where the fellowcitizens with the saints and the household of God (is that not referring to the greater congregation of the Church as a whole?) wer

RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
ShieldsFamily wrote: This non-Jew, non-Catholic, non-Cult, Christ-Follower sees it this way:  The true Church never was and never will be an Institution or Organization. DAVEH:  Do you have any Biblical evidence to offer, Izzy?   1 Timothy 3:15 but in case I am delayed, I write so tha

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH:  That seems somewhat contradictory to what Paul described in Eph 2:19-20, where the fellowcitizens with the saints and the household of God (is that not referring to the greater congregation of the Church as a whole?) were given a foundation of apostles and p

RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
J DAVEH:  Thanx Debbie.  Sin City is a tough place to spend a few days.   May I suggest that a lessor man (such as John, perhaps) may have succumbed while I was able to withstand the brutal forces trying to suck money out of my pocket    ;-)

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
he figure of speech..   - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 05, 2005 02:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment Debbie Sawczak wrote: Hi Dave, welcome back. DAVEH:  Thanx Debbie.  Sin City is a tou

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-04 Thread Dave Hansen
] Eternal Judgment   Here is how this "Protestant" thinks: Jesus didn't "found a church" at all. That has jarred for me since childhood as a thorough misunderstanding. It makes me think of a voluntary association of people who subscribe to a new set of religious id

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-04 Thread Dave Hansen
our conversation with John!   Debbie - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment Debbie Sawczak wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-04 Thread Debbie Sawczak
anyway, I didn't mean to sidetrack you--continue your conversation with John!   Debbie - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-04 Thread Dave Hansen
Debbie Sawczak wrote: Here is how this "Protestant" thinks: Jesus didn't "found a church" at all. That has jarred for me since childhood as a thorough misunderstanding. It makes me think of a voluntary association of people who subscribe to a new set of religious ideas and practic

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-30 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/29/2005 10:00:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:   Is this a commonly accepted theory of Protestantism?  LDS folks believe such thinking is flawed, John.  IOW.I believe Jesus founded the RIGHT CHURCH and a measured amount of legalism is importa

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-30 Thread Terry Clifton
Debbie Sawczak wrote: Here is how this "Protestant" thinks: Jesus didn't "found a church" at all. That has jarred for me since childhood as a thorough misunderstanding. It makes me think of a voluntary association of people who subscribe to a new set of religious ideas and practices

RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:24 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment   Here is how this "Protestant" thinks: Jesus didn't "found a church" at

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-30 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Here is how this "Protestant" thinks: Jesus didn't "found a church" at all. That has jarred for me since childhood as a thorough misunderstanding. It makes me think of a voluntary association of people who subscribe to a new set of religious ideas and practices thought up by (or revealed to)

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-29 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   Is this a commonly accepted theory of Protestantism?  LDS folks believe such thinking is flawed, John.  IOW.I believe Jesus founded the RIGHT CHURCH and a measured amount of legalism is important and necessary within that True Church.   What our Mormon friends do not understand a