Izzy in blue:
Yes and thanks. Wouldn't you say that salvation by grace through
faith has always been the will of the Lord? If what we see as
Divine Projections (such as Christ dying for our sins at a certain time)
is, in fact, God's reality, then salvation based upon the condition of
the
JD: We are saved by grace throught faith
apart from our working of the Law. Our/His
faith is reckoned as if it were personal righteousness--and
we are saved, in part,because of that consideration on the part of
God.Few - many? Well, I believe scripture, Linda.A
whole bunch of
JD writes: Wouldn't you say that salvation by grace through
faith has always been the will of the Lord?
jt: My belief is thatGod would have preferred for
Adam to have stayed "in His image" and fellowshipped with Him in the garden
daily
but since that didn't happen, he went to Plan
B.
If
, right?
Kay
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[Debbie]Wow, John, this post of yours gave me
goosebumps.
Imagine this; God creates
mankind. He wants this creation to love Him, to seek Him out, to
prefer Him. And He accomplishes this by seeking us out, walking in
the garden, talking to Abraham -- planning his future, making
a military
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[TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology
[Debbie]Wow, John, this post of yours gave me
goosebumps.
Imagine this; God creates
mankind. He wants this creation to love Him, to seek Him out, to
prefer Him. And He accomplishes this by seeking us out, walking in
the garden
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:15:27 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They
weren't saved by obeying the Mosaic law, Judy. They were saved by FAITH. The
same way as usFAITH. No one was EVER saved by obeying the law, nor will
anyone ever BE. The law is simply God's rules
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:15:27 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They weren't saved by obeying the Mosaic law, Judy. They
Slade wrote:
Sadly, some people will say that the saints in the Older
Testament exercised their faith by keeping the Mosaic
Law while we [the Renewed Covenant saints] exercise
ours by obedience to Christ
I think you have to be careful not to project your approach to the law as
being the same
Well Kay, as you say we see things very differently
because I can read Hebrews 11 which is the faith Chapter and find all of the
Patriarchsin it including Moses ie "By faith Moses when he was come to
years, refused to be called the son of Pharoah's daughter choosing rather to
suffer
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That works. We are the created in that case. We are serving ourselves; not God. That is sin. Izzy
There you go.
J
I really think the post below is as well written as I can put it. No need for me to respond. Either you have a heart for that message or you don't JD
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Izzy in blue:
Yes and thanks. Wouldn't you say that
Thank you for stating your opinion.
slade
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Slade wrote:
Sadly, some
In a message dated 1/15/2005 5:27:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: What does "saved by grace through faith" look like?
Abraham is given as our example of one who had saving faith the kind that is reckoned as righteousness - but Abraham also passed the ultimate test.
THANK
YOU, JD!
Neither is there a PlanC (Moses) nor a Plan D
(Jesus).
--
slade
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God had already experienced rebellion with the angels
ie Lucifer and 1/3 of them fell; anytime you create
something with a free will this is the chance you take
and apparently God was willing to do it again in spite
of knowing the outcome beforehand.
jht
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:02:57 EST
when was it--what is
'experience'?
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:21:41 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
God had already experienced
rebellion
Where
does it say that 1/3 of the angels fell?
--
slade
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God had already experienced rebellion with the angels
ie Lucifer and 1/3 of them fell
Revelation 12:4
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:43:24 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Where does it say that 1/3 of the angels fell?
--
slade
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?
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Revelation 12:4
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:43:24 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Where does it say that 1/3 of the a
3:24 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Where does it say that 1/3 of the angels fell?
-- slade
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not literal stars??
interestG
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a third of the
stars of heaven
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Right there Slade, if you don't have time to stop
your talmud studies and search this out
thenpray and ask the Lord about it
later.. jht
-- slade
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TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005
12.22Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian
theology
God had already experienced rebellion with
the angels i
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Izzy
in blue:
Yes and thanks. Wouldn't you say that salvation by grace through
faith has always been the will of the Lord? If what we see as
Divine Projections (such as Christ dying for our sins at a certain
time)
is, in fact, God's reality, then
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:55:08 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What you cannot do, IMO, Judy, is take events
out of Abraham's life and use them to contradict what was
said. And what was said? That
his faith was reckon as righteousness. What does that look
like? You have scripture on that, you
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/15/2005 6:14:02 AM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt:
My belief is that God would have preferred for Adam to have stayed "in
His image" and fellowshipped with Him in the garden daily
but
since that didn't happen, he
Now thats what I
call poetry! Izzy
[Debbie]
Were the chief, the most stunning of sun-eyried
eagles
to take up with drab and hapless crows
shabby, small, squabbling with each other,
living by petty thievery
yet terrified of scarecrows, of straw men in fields
and if he became
Judy, I am not sure what your point is below. Apparently the problem was with Abraham's wife. The fact is, Abraham could do nothing about the promise apart from God's intervention. All that was left for him was simply to believe. THAT is the bibilical context for the statement. It is THAT
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:20:02 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy, I am not sure what your point is below. Apparently the
problem was with Abraham's wife. The fact is, Abraham could do
nothing about the promise apart from God's intervention. All that
was left for him was simply to
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:35:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[Debbie] BTW, the rest of my response to John's post is at the bottom. In case people didn't scroll down all the way the first time.
Debbie: a great illustration -- I saved it the moment it came across
AMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Traditional Christian theology
God had already experienced rebellion
with the angels ie Lucifer and 1/3 of them fell; anytime you
create
something with a free will this is the
chance you take and apparently God was willing to do it
again in spite
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John Smithson wrote:
On a good day, we are nothin like
Him, right? Nothing.
... I am sorry, but if we do thus and so,
how close to Being Like God (Be ye
perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect)
are we?
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Traditional Christian theology
Right there Slade, if you don't have
time to stop your talmud studies and search this out
==
Just a couple of thoughts here. Unmerited grace? Absolutely!
Unconditional love? In most cases, yes. Unconditional
forgiveness? Absolutly not!
As to the Be perfect thingy, I think that Jesus asked that of us
just so that we could experience how
I believe Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels fell before the
foundation of the world and they now live in the 2nd
heaven (or this worlds upper atmosphere). God
allowed them to access His garden in order to test
AE.
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I believe Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels fell before
the foundation of the world and they now live in the 2nd
heaven (or this worlds upper atmosphere). God
allowed them to access His garden
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Again, I ask Where does it say 1/3 of the angels fell?
Isn't it somewhere near "Cleanliness is /godliness?"
JD
John wrote:
The fact is, Abraham could do nothing about the
promise apart from God's intervention. All that
was left for him was simply to believe. THAT
is the bibilical context for the statement.
Good point. Nevertheless, if Abraham did not cooperate and continue to have
sexual
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Just a couple of thoughts here. Unmerited grace? Absolutely! Unconditional love? In most cases, yes. Unconditional forgiveness? Absolutly not!
As to the "Be perfect" thingy, I think that Jesus asked that of
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:29:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- You don't think taking Isaac the son of promise and some wood for the sacrifice to Mt. Moriah in obedience to the voice of God
had anything to do with Abraham's faith being counted to him for
In the Sermon on the Mount, Christ made a
mountain out of a mole hill, sort ta speak. Things are not easier, when
He gets through talking -- they are impossible.
Thus, our continual need for him. At least, that is where my mind landed after
reading your post. Good post. Jd
John, you
Of course why wouldn't it? jht
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:30:06 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Does
this jive with the idea that everything G-d finished creating on the 6th day
was considered VERY GOOD?
--
slade
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[mailto:[EMAIL
David Miller wrote:
To say that the righteousness that we manifest is
somehow inferior to God's righteousness is to denigrate
God's righteousness (if we proclaim that we cannot be
righteous apart from God).
John wrote:
I will not address the is to denigrate thingy
except to say that it has
Don't
forget the awesome, "God helps those who help themselves."
--
slade
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If
haSatan was fallen, not everything would be very good.
Now,
if G-d created the angels before the creation, where do you get such an
idea?
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TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 17.17Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology
Judy Taylor wrote:
I believe Lucifer and 1/3 of the
angels fell before the foundation of the world and they now live in the
2nd
heaven (or this worlds upper
atmosphere). God allowed them to access His garden in order to test AE.
Slade Henson wrote:
If haSatan was fallen, not everything would be
very good.
Now, if G-d created the angels before the
creation, where do you get such an idea?
=
Whenever God created Satan, He created him as a beautiful creature,
Judy wrote:
I believe Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels fell before
the foundation of the world and they now live in
the 2nd heaven (or this worlds upper atmosphere).
Terry wrote:
When did they leave town, Judy?
I don't think she meant that they left town. Paul speaks about the evil
spirits
Exactly my point. When HaSatan was created he was very
good. Did he turn bad before the creation or afterward? What evidence is there
to prove otherwise?
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, 2005
9:27 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Exactly my point. When HaSatan was created
he was very good. Did he turn bad before the creation or afterward? What
evidence is there to prove otherwise?
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I have been noticing that you often seem to equate "effort" and "obedience"
with "works of law." I do not see these as the same thing. In other words,
obedience to the law is not the same thing as
In a message dated 1/15/2005 1:43:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote:
The fact is, Abraham could do nothing about the
promise apart from God's intervention. All that
was left for him was simply to believe. THAT
is the bibilical context for the statement.
Good
I was responding to the theology of Smithson, Taylor, Hughes. Izzy
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In a message dated 1/14/2005 5:45:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The soul that sinneth, it shall die -- is not a true statement for those who are in Christ.
JD, then by your theology there will be very few in hell, and most everyone in heavencorrect? Izzy
Jere 31:34
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The
soul that sinneth, it shall die -- is not a true statement for those
who are in Christ.
JD, then by your theology there will be very few in hell, and most
everyone
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==
Good post John. Clear, understandable, and true.
Terry
Very good -- even "cool." Thank you
JD
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In a message dated 1/14/2005 5:45:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The soul that sinneth, it shall die -- is
not a true statement for those who are in Christ. JD,
then by your theology there will be very few in hell, and
A whole bunch of people will be saved via the gracious
consideration of the Lord. A whole bunch more will be
lost, choosing to serve the
created rather than the Creator.
JD
Which is S-I-N. Izzy
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Jere
31:34 contains a wonderful promise "there sins I will remember no more."
That phrase, to my way of thinking, has to mean
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We are saved by grace throught faith apart from our working of the Law. Our/His faith is reckoned as if it were personal righteousness -- and we are saved, in part, because of that consideration on the part
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