Also worth noting that Paul Shaffer recently released a book
chronicling his journey from obscurity to late night legend in his own
right.
http://www.amazon.com/Well-Here-Rest-Our-Lives/dp/0767928865/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_1
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On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 17:17, David Bruggeman bru...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's news, as it strikes me as counter to the prevailing narrative. Most
statements SCG has made about following Letterman to 11:35 range from mild
to annoyed disinterest.
I think that it would have said outright if Craig
with Worldwide Pants,
or there's a separate arrangement, is not as clear.
David
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Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 1:04:36 PM
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Isn't the deal
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:06 PM, donz5 do...@aol.com wrote:
It's these little things that bug me, because if Carter is this sloppy
with the minor details (this, Jay's appearances on LN), it calls into
question the major ones.
I knew a guy at NBC with extensive inside knowledge of the Carson
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:06 PM, donz5 do...@aol.com wrote:
It's these little things that bug me, because if Carter is this sloppy
with the minor details (this, Jay's appearances on LN), it calls into
question the
On Nov 10, 6:34 pm, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:
It's Tom Shales mea culpa in 1996 that wraps the chapter up as the
point when things changed, and you do the math to realize that the
sword hung over this poor guy's head for almost *three years*.
And he came out of it a perfectly
This morning while getting ready for work, I was discussing the book
with my brother-in-law's wife. She does not share my enthusiasm for
everything related to the events in the book, but I explained that I
was through Chapter 4. How are you enjoying it? she asked. I feel
like it's almost too basic
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:
Clearly Carter wrote this for people who did not read Late Shift. But
I'd turn the question around and say, Do you think anyone would buy
this book who wouldn't have read Late Shift? And that's what's
frustrating me. When
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On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:
Clearly Carter wrote this for people who did not read Late Shift. But
I'd turn the question around and say
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On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:
Clearly Carter wrote this for people who did not read Late Shift. But
I'd turn the question around and say, Do you think anyone would buy
this book
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 13:22, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote:
Conan has a really strong following among people who were in college
when they first discovered him in late night. The oldest of these
people would have been children when the events of The Late Shift took
place, and the
This, I think, is news. re Scottish Conan Guy, page 137:
Attention and better ratings followed, and then came a deal from CBS
-- one no other late-night host, first at NBC and now at CBS, had ever
had. Ferguson won a guarantee that he would be the successor to David
Letterman, should there ever
huh? Am I misunderstanding something, sinceI'm reading that passage out of context? "and then came a deal from CBS-- one no other late-night host ... had ever had.Ferguson won a guarantee that he would be the successor to David Letterman..."
Whaddaya mean, "no other late-night host" had that
Not to out myself too badly, but I had no idea of the behind-the-
scenes machinations of Kilby leaving TDS. What's the shorthand?
--Dave Sikula
On Nov 11, 9:03 am, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:
Landscape At Late Night is, at its core, a tale-of-the-tape between
Jay and Dave, with a bio
pp. 100-01:
[Kilborn's Daily Show] was a genuine hit by cable standards, though,
and Kilborn might have settled in for a long run. But about a year in,
he gave an interview to 'Esquire' magazine in which he apparently
wanted to underscore his masculinity, telling the reporter, 'To be
honest, Lizz
Same here (out of print by the time I was interested in it), but my
local library came to the rescue.
KMR (who has memorized the library card number used to request inter-
branch book transfers because of having entered it so many times into
the Los Angeles Public Library online hold request
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Date: Thu, November 11, 2010 5:09 pm
To: TVorNotTV tvornottv@googlegroups.com
This, I think, is news. re Scottish Conan Guy, page 137:
Attention and better ratings followed, and then came
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This, I think, is news. re Scottish Conan Guy, page 137:
Attention and better ratings followed, and then came a deal from CBS
-- one no other late-night host, first
2010 that the parties were close to signing.
Does sudden need mean anything special?
David
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Original Message
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Date: Thu, November 11, 2010 5:09 pm
To: TVorNotTV tvornottv@googlegroups.com
This, I think, is news. re Scottish Conan Guy, page 137:
Attention and better ratings
Tampa, FL
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From: donz5 do...@aol.com
Date: Thu, November 11, 2010 5:09 pm
To: TVorNotTV tvornottv@googlegroups.com
This, I think, is news. re Scottish Conan Guy, page 137:
Attention and better
Courtesy Kathie at the afl:
Hour-long interview with Carter on ESPN Radio.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?callsign=ESPNRADIOid=5787842autoplay=1
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If I may put in a couple of cents' worth ...
I don't think the syntax was modified for the benefit of those who
live in NYC because the publishers expect more people outside the Big
Apple to buy and read the book than they do ones in the city.
In this case, what a New Yorker would say is not
On Nov 9, 2010, at 11:15 PM, donz5 wrote:
Having lived in NYC for 32 years, I can attest that traveling east-
west in this city is considered across, not up or down. The
opening sentence should have read, ... a stream of cabs and limos was
snaking slowly across West Forth-third Street...
Jon Delfin, to donz and Joe Hass:
Is that transcribed correctly? Seems to want a comma, at least. And
wouldn't the down link to slowing, as if to say the traffic on W43
was being slowed down?
Yes.
And the term everybody here seems to be missing, is along.
That is, if and when it has been
There's a reason Manhattan buses that travel east-west are called
crosstown buses.
And it does matter, as it better accurately gives a flavor of
Manhattan midtown.
On Nov 10, 9:51 am, Jim Ellwanger train...@ellwanger.tv wrote:
On Nov 9, 2010, at 11:15 PM, donz5 wrote:
Having lived in NYC for
While it may matter, it doesn't matter as much as the number of words
debating it would seem to indicate. :)
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:38 PM, donz5 do...@aol.com wrote:
There's a reason Manhattan buses that travel east-west are called
crosstown buses.
And it does matter, as it better
One more nit to pick -- p. 95, Carter writes, ... with Letterman
opening the way for Jay to emerge into public consciousness by having
him as the most frequent guest on his Late Night show.
I think he's made this claim before, but it's still wrong: Jay guested
on LN 40 times (plus one taped
Carter repeats this claim nine pages later: When Jay Leno was the
most frequent -- and popular -- guest on David Letterman's Late Night
show in the 1980s...
And Jay further embellishes the number on pp. 106-07: As [Jay's]
career was taking off, thanks to his many breakthrough appearances on
donz5 wrote:
There's a reason Manhattan buses that travel east-west are called
crosstown buses.
Yes, because (for example) the M42 crosses TOWN. It doesn't cross 42nd
Street.
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Donz; I take your point, but if I'm on on 44th, standing in front of
the Shubert, and someone asks me where the St. James is, I'm going to
say, down the street. If they ask me where the Broadhurst is, I'm
going to say across the street.
If I was in a cab that veers wildly from sidewalk to
My favorite quote of The Late Shift does not come from Dave or Jay
or Johnny or a suit at NBC or CBS.
This is the result of a drunken wager between Lorne Michaels and Don Ohlmeyer.
It is a joke told by Conan during his test show in 1993. In Late
Shift, Carter gives Conan almost a glossing over,
I agree; Conan's career is a wonderful back-story.
Though Zucker went with the Crimson, not the Lampoon, according to
this chapter.
On Nov 10, 6:34 pm, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:
My favorite quote of The Late Shift does not come from Dave or Jay
or Johnny or a suit at NBC or CBS.
You're entirely right, Dake, when referring to locations that close to
each other. But Carter's description was more general, and in that
context, across would have been more appropriate than down.
On Nov 10, 4:49 pm, Dave Sikula dsik...@yahoo.com wrote:
Donz; I take your point, but if I'm on on
Page 117, beginning of the writers' strike in early November 2007:
[Letterman's] company announced that the staff of Letterman's Late
Show as well as that of The Late Late Show -- which had installed
Craig Ferguson as the new host less than a year earlier...
Ferguson's first show as official
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:13 PM, donz5 do...@aol.com wrote:
I'm a few chapters ahead of you; just finished Conan's extensive
career background that led him to LN in '93. So far I'm enjoying the
book a hell of a lot, but I'm surprised no copyeditor took notice of
the very first sentence in
It occurs to me that it make very little sense to do this in
individual threads, so I'll just keep going in this one.
Chapter 2 (Sell-By Date) focuses on the machinations of the 2004
negotiations that set all this up, both Jay's sense that he was being
fired but given a five-year severance
On Nov 9, 10:03 pm, Jon Delfin jondel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:13 PM, donz5 do...@aol.com wrote:
I'm a few chapters ahead of you; just finished Conan's extensive
career background that led him to LN in '93. So far I'm enjoying the
book a hell of a lot, but I'm surprised
On Nov 9, 10:25 pm, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:
It occurs to me that it make very little sense to do this in
individual threads, so I'll just keep going in this one.
Chapter 2 (Sell-By Date) focuses on the machinations of the 2004
negotiations that set all this up, both Jay's sense
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:51 PM, donz5 do...@aol.com wrote:
Thus, the sentence in the book reads: ...a stream of cabs and limos
was snaking slowly down West Forty-third Street...
No comma in the passage; down should be across.
Not sure where Bill Carter is from, but this may be one of those
Having lived in NYC for 32 years, I can attest that traveling east-
west in this city is considered across, not up or down. The
opening sentence should have read, ... a stream of cabs and limos was
snaking slowly across West Forth-third Street...
On Nov 9, 11:51 pm, Jim Ellwanger
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