Re: trouble booting Ubuntu

2017-03-05 Thread B. Henry
I've had this happen a number of times on arch, but never on Ubuntu or Vinux, so not sure how it would be dealt with. You'd not have a root PW by default on Ubuntu, most people do not make one, so no idea how to deal with this if it were to happen, but again, never seen it myself on the distro i

Re: trouble booting Ubuntu

2017-03-04 Thread B. Henry
Please explain a bit more. Did you install the old ubuntu on to the internal drive, or were you trying to do that when the cable unplugged? Is there anything on the internal drive at all that you know of? You can try typing your user name, pressing enter and then your password at the screen you

Re: partitioning a u s b drive

2017-03-01 Thread B. Henry
Depending on what you mean by a usb drive, e.g. I guess you mean a standard hard drive that you will connect to your computer via a usb port, but maybe you mean a usb flash memory stick,(thumbdrive, pendrive, or what ever you like to call those), how you partition will vary. If it is a standa

Re: change language in ubuntu

2017-02-20 Thread B. Henry
I don't remember if the following commands are in the wiki article, but in case I don't get to check and if need be add them before you read it: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales Can help you with some of the actual configuration changes. -- B.H. Reg

Re: change language in ubuntu

2017-02-20 Thread B. Henry
Try doing it from tjhe command line. You need more than the core pkgs to get all the configuration goodies for mate as I recall. You really need the mate extras or what ever that group is called on Ubuntu. System resources are not going to be gobbled by adding the extras. To change language fr

Re: systemback and no orca

2017-02-17 Thread B. Henry
Agreed. Back-ups should generally not be a crazy resource intensive job. Of course if it wants to make a back up each time any file changes or something...lol How old is your hardware, and what are its basic specs, i.e. how much RAM, what CPU does it have and how many corfes at what clock speed

Re: systemback and no orca

2017-02-17 Thread B. Henry
I think I misunderstood your original question. I thought you were talking about the backup utility that is part of Ubuntu. Systemback sounds like it's some kind of 3rd party application, and I've never tried it if it is/no idea re whether it's at all accessible, good enough to use, or somethin

Re: using Systemback

2017-02-16 Thread B. Henry
I and others have certainly used the Ubuntu GUI. I don't remember any issues re accessibility at all. I have mostly used the oldschool rsync for my backups however, so have not tried the gui in the last few months. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Daniel Crone wrote: Wed, Feb

Re: updating orca, and setting up dropbox

2017-02-14 Thread B. Henry
Hey buddy, you will need to enable the ubuntu accessibiolity PPA, well actually add it to your software sources. This can be done from the GUI using a program like the software center, synaptic, etc. I usually do this from a terminal window or a VT-console, (the latter using speakup). I have t

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 upper panel for applications

2017-01-22 Thread B. Henry
You get the launcher with alt f1, i.e. no full aps menu is there. There are ways you can get categorized aps menus, e.g. some file managers allow you to display them, but you'll need to change freom default settings. Pcmanfm is the one that worked well for me on Ubuntu as I recall, but I can't

Re: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 129, Issue 7

2016-11-19 Thread B. Henry
Bad move responding to a digest, at least with subject as a digest number. As a friendly reminder I am sending this msg, but usually just delete such messages. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Glenn / Lenny wrote: Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 01:18:30PM -0600 > Since the wired speakers d

Re: Ubuntu 16.04.1, no orca

2016-10-27 Thread B. Henry
On some machines/ubuntu installations I've had to press the orca hotkey combo twice to get speech, and on some installations I'[ve had to press f10, right arrow to accessibility and up to screen reader and press it that way rather than using the hotkey. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 5

Re: Ubuntu-mate-16.04: orca won't keep running

2016-06-08 Thread B. Henry
und card. > > On Wed, 8 Jun 2016, B. Henry wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:32:02 > > From: B. Henry > > To: Ubuntu Accessibility , > > orca-l...@gnome.org > > Subject: Re: Ubuntu-mate-16.04: orca won't keep running > > > > I wro

Re: GRML and CHNTPW

2016-06-08 Thread B. Henry
They hae a list of installed packages on their website as I recall, and if you have grml you have that list on the .iso you installed from and can of course check with dpkg -l|grep package name Vinux comes with this program on it, honestly do not remember for sure about grml, and they removed a

Re: Ubuntu-mate-16.04: orca won't keep running

2016-06-08 Thread B. Henry
out. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 B. Henry wrote: Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 07:57:08PM -0500 > I just made a bootable usb-stick with the latest ubuntu-mate, 16 .04, on it. > Super alt s does not start orca, but either from the run box, or a terminal I > can start orca. > I h

Ubuntu-mate-16.04: orca won't keep running

2016-06-07 Thread B. Henry
I just made a bootable usb-stick with the latest ubuntu-mate, 16 .04, on it. Super alt s does not start orca, but either from the run box, or a terminal I can start orca. I hear "screenreader on", and right away, "screenreader off". This behavior occurs 100% of the time for me, tried 3 reboots.

Snap packages, what is the accessibility outlook?

2016-05-17 Thread B. Henry
First, for those who have not heard of "snappy packages", here's a link that gives a few starter commands and a very brief explanation of what snap is about. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-install-snap-packages-on-ubuntu-16-04/?ftag=TRE475558a&bhid=22717637366411097904609173447 As the

Re: anyone on mumble

2016-04-04 Thread B. Henry
I have voice chat servers, both teamtalk and mumble configured to handle moderately sized groups, but they are certainly not at this point intended to be Ubuntu specific. I'd be willing to addanother mumble server if there was demand, but I do not know that there is. There was a vinux ventrilo

Re: linphone

2016-04-04 Thread B. Henry
I use linphone daily, mostly from the linphonc commandline interface, but occasionally from the graphical interface. It is the best and most accessible SIP phone available in my opinion, and think most screenreader users agree. Exact configuration varies between SIP providers. I'd recommend using

Re: gnome shell versus mate

2016-04-02 Thread B. Henry
ook at this today and tomorrow. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Glenn / Lenny wrote: Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 08:32:17AM -0500 >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 05:22:49 -0600 >From: "B. Henry" <[1]burt1ib...@gmail.com> >To: [2]ubuntu-accessibi

Re: gnome shell versus mate

2016-04-02 Thread B. Henry
There is more than one way you can to this, but basically you either make a link to a .desktop file, the files used to launch graphical applications, or copy the file it self from /usr/share/applications to your desktop. You can even sym link directly to an executable. I think what Kendell was s

Re: gnome shell versus mate

2016-04-02 Thread B. Henry
And how did you add your own network? This should be easy. Did you not remove the mate bottom panel, and perhaps relocate the top panel to the bottom? You can only read one panel, and it will be the last installed. Put all your icons and applets on the same panel, and things work as they should

Re: gnome shell versus mate

2016-04-02 Thread B. Henry
Honestly, the current state of the classicmenu-indicator is much less helpful than it could be in my opinion. There are too many categories, and a large percentage of items appear in multiple sub-menus. I mean, really, sundry and other? This is too bad as this was a nicer tool back when I firs

Re: accessibility profiles, what is it and how it works?

2016-03-30 Thread B. Henry
This does indeed sound very good, and of course leads one to wonder about sharing custom profiles. Is there now, or will there in the planned future be an easy way to export and import accessiblity profiles? Thanks much to you and anyone who has worked on enhancing this functionality. --

Re: Orca 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04 question

2016-03-24 Thread B. Henry
I do not know exactly what you are trying to say, but it appears you are mis informed. Orca works with most version s of firefox very well. There was a time, between firefox25 and 29 or 30 where things wer pretty sad, and one or two release/builds have com eout over the years with an accessibl

Re: Orca 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04 question

2016-03-22 Thread B. Henry
Sounds interesting/looking forward to checking it out. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Luke Yelavich wrote: Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:09:46PM +1100 > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:06:15AM AEDT, B. Henry wrote: > > Is accessibility overall going to be similar in 16.04 to rece

Re: Orca 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04 question

2016-03-22 Thread B. Henry
Is accessibility overall going to be similar in 16.04 to recent Ubuntu releases? have things changed much on the accessiblity front since 14.04? Thanks. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Luke Yelavich wrote: Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:07:52AM +1100 > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 04:34:14

Re: chromium orca accessibility

2016-03-19 Thread B. Henry
Last I heard, chromium was not working with the google TTSs at all. As chrome isworking with speech-dispatcher again maybe chromium is working with sd again also. It did not work as well as chrome back when it could be used with chromevox and speech-dispatcher, but was usable for me. Others fou

Subject lines was: just a suggestion

2016-03-19 Thread B. Henry
Yes, and I generally do this when I change the topic, but occasionaly do forget. I also often change the subject line even when I did not change the subject myself, and even bring this up frequently enough that I sometimes worry that folks will get tired of me trying to correct bad posting prac

Re: ubuntu 12, temporary solution

2016-03-19 Thread B. Henry
What system do you want to back up, i.e. what OS, distro if Linux, a system that is currently installed, or the ubuntu-mate you say you are going to install? Have you installed a lot of extra software beyond what came on the installer image you used? Is all the extra software you installed in re

Re: introduction

2016-03-19 Thread B. Henry
It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as close to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, and had 0 differences one time when I dcompared. Thunderbird works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed up, corrupted or badly co

Resource usage was: introduction

2016-03-18 Thread B. Henry
ake the thing feel sluggish or > unresponsive. It's why I switched from gnome to mate on my mac, gnome > did not like my mac much. > Thanks > Kendell Clark > > > B. Henry wrote: > > It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as > &

Re: introduction

2016-03-18 Thread B. Henry
nome > is, my opinion only, cpu usage. They use up a lot of the cpu cycles if > you have a slow one, and that can make the thing feel sluggish or > unresponsive. It's why I switched from gnome to mate on my mac, gnome > did not like my mac much. > Thanks > Kendell Clark &g

Re: Subject lines was: just a suggestion

2016-03-18 Thread B. Henry
's thread, didn't spell check or whatever. There's > plenty to read on the web and don't let someone else's poor habits > waste your time. > > On 18/03/16 14:07, B. Henry wrote: > >Yes, and I generally do this when I change the topic, but occasionaly

Re: Ubuntu phones and accessibility for the blind

2016-03-02 Thread B. Henry
I'd say it's not going to happen for you/get an android phone, or iphone if you must for now. Maybe the powers that be will care enough to invest paying Luke and perhaps someone to help him to get things working for us in a year or two, but I'm honestly not particularly optimistic. If they ca

Re: installing an update

2015-12-26 Thread B. Henry
A couple odf things: your apt-get update command would have to be run as root, e.g. with sudo to work, and would have to be connected to the internet unless you had new software sources on a local network or locall attched disk and had that local repository refferenced in your sources lists. I

Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: Introduction of my project

2015-11-02 Thread B. Henry
This is a great project, much after my own heart. I started thinking about about something like this kind of thing a long time ago, but more specifically last December when people were discussing their need of a good dasy player for Linux on the Orca list. I am really excited to hear about the s

Re: orca and firefox

2015-08-19 Thread B. Henry
Yeah, thanks for this important resource Luke. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Luke Yelavich wrote: Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 08:54:35AM +1000 > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 07:58:19AM AEST, kk wrote: > > Wow, > > Who maintains this ppa for accessibility devel? > > I do. > > Luke > > --

Re: orca and firefox

2015-08-19 Thread B. Henry
yes, it will certainly build You might need to get some at-spi packages from an extra repo, let me check on something and I'll post back. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 04:06:31PM -0300 > Hi Lucas. > In my opinion 3.1

Re: orca and firefox

2015-08-19 Thread B. Henry
16.2 or 16.3 I think it is, but you can build the latest development version if you want to test even newer stuff. There are instructions on the orca website isit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/a

Re: State of 14.04 LTS

2015-08-18 Thread B. Henry
It is generally quite good and stable now, some things work that did notin 12.04, language support for instance was silent in precise, now it works well with orca. Overall there is a slight difference in the feel, it's a very different unity under the hood, but most key bindings are the same.

Re: how to get Orca to speak in lightdm

2015-04-28 Thread B. Henry
nly one account shown in the login > screen. so I think it is not lightdm. In the software Centre I delete the > Lubuntu-desktop but I still stay with another dm. > Milton > > Op 28-04-15 om 05:39 schreef B. Henry: > >It is once logged in for sure, but I thought it was diffe

Re: how to get Orca to speak in lightdm

2015-04-27 Thread B. Henry
Linux User 521886 Christopher Chaltain wrote: Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 07:59:11PM -0500 > I think it's control+super+s in Trusty. > > On 04/27/2015 07:33 PM, B. Henry wrote: > >Doesn't control s still start orca on the log-in screen in ubuntu? > > > > >

Re: how to get Orca to speak in lightdm

2015-04-27 Thread B. Henry
-- > From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of B. Henry > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 8:34 PM > To: Milton > Subject: Re: how to get Orca to speak in lightdm > > Doesn't control s stil

Re: how to get Orca to speak in lightdm

2015-04-27 Thread B. Henry
Doesn't control s still start orca on the log-in screen in ubuntu? -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Milton wrote: Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 09:56:36PM +0200 > Hello List, > > I use Ubuntu Trusty with Orca 3.14.3 in Unity. I thought to show some > friends the Lubuntu desktop and insta

[FWD: and...@pipkrokodil.se] VINUX-SUPPORT: Sofware center keeps refreshing.

2015-02-18 Thread B. Henry
This was asked on another list, and I do not know the answer. Anyone? -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 - Forwarded message from Anders Holmberg - Subject: VINUX-SUPPORT: Sofware center keeps refreshing. Hi! Is it possible to make Ubuntu software center not to refresh evry no

Re: ubuntu server

2014-08-13 Thread B. Henry
That's right, everyone knows this. You can find a post on the vinux list regarding how to install ubuntu-server with speech. It's been reposted a few times, starting maybe a year and a bit ago. server's do not have graphical interfaces traditionally, and if one is installed it's usually somethin

Re: lite versions of ubuntu

2014-08-13 Thread B. Henry
gt; On Aug 13, 2014, at 2:05 PM, B. Henry wrote: > > > You have enough with the system you mention to run normal ubuntu more or > > less well if you do not multitask much, but > > Ubuntu gnome should be a bit lighter on memory usage, and do better with > > accessi

Re: lite versions of ubuntu

2014-08-13 Thread B. Henry
You have enough with the system you mention to run normal ubuntu more or less well if you do not multitask much, but Ubuntu gnome should be a bit lighter on memory usage, and do better with accessibility in some areas. You will have to configure things a bit using any other desktop, but this can

Very bad news for me&I do not know how many others/UbuntuOne cloud storage service to be shutdown

2014-04-08 Thread B. Henry
Subject says it: Ubuntu One is going away, most of it anyway. The most important part for me and probably a few or more of you is that the Dropbox-like synchronized storage is being shutdown with all content to be deleted in July. Here's a link to read the basics. Canonical to close Ubuntu One c

Re: partitions and logging out help

2014-04-05 Thread B. Henry
I do not know from your message for sure what's going on as orca should be on the ubuntu10.10 disk, guess you updated to a newer orca. Remember that unless you got something from the xdesktop branch it either won't work, or won't perform correctly. You want orca 3.1.9 something, xdesktop, or I

Re: XpLike Ubuntu again

2013-11-10 Thread B. Henry
> Although I to at least partially agree with some of Gabes opinions, it seems > that he is quick to post steriotypical generalizations. > My observations are very much in line with yours, CJ, although of course > there are a few of the types floating around that Gabe mentions. i do find > t

Re: XpLike Ubuntu again

2013-11-08 Thread B. Henry
You were unclear as to your past experience, or actually mentioned nothing, so as is usually the case people try and give more basic information than may be called for just in case. You certainly miss the main point though. The interface must be accessible, and I for one tried to steer you towa

Re: XpLike Ubuntu

2013-11-07 Thread B. Henry
For sure fogrget 11.04 unless it's already working well for you as updating is problematic, and at best requires changing software sources. Also, that unity is not as accessible as 12.04, and the orca you can run on the classic gnome desktop for 11.04 doesn't work with quite a few things that ne

Re: dreams and schemes

2013-11-05 Thread B. Henry
I see in the US is that too many > "blind people" want everything for free, they whine about anything that > doesn't go their way, and believe employers should exempt them out of every > minor aspect of a job that requires them to "work hard". > > ---

Re: What happened with Firefox 25?

2013-11-05 Thread B. Henry
t saying a blind programmer > between jobs or projects may have very legitimate reasons to spend > some of that time working on something else or in some other area. > > On 11/03/2013 11:11 AM, B. Henry wrote: > >Of course. The other part of this includes more willingness to back su

Re: What happened with Firefox 25?

2013-11-03 Thread B. Henry
t; is constrained and it takes a while to come up to speed on some of > this access technology infrastructure. > > > On 11/01/2013 07:39 PM, B. Henry wrote: > >Ah_men! > > > >Sadly, neither drugs nor prayer seem to be able to give many blind folk > >that; an

dreams and schemes

2013-11-02 Thread B. Henry
Fair and far enough! I doubt I'll live to see any other star, nor earth critters traveling to one; but a viable sub-culture seems completely reasonable. If we continue down this path of the "1%" vs. the "99%" then I think some groups must inevitably split off from, or better coaless out of the

Re: What happened with Firefox 25?

2013-11-01 Thread B. Henry
Ah_men! Sadly, neither drugs nor prayer seem to be able to give many blind folk that; and I think we all know of more than a couple bind folks who have both 1 or more degrees and above average inteligence who are unemployed. One alternative is for more of those who have some potential as far

Re: accessible weather and radio apps

2013-10-23 Thread B. Henry
Thanks much, will take a fresh look at this progra m soon.

Re: accessible weather and radio apps

2013-10-22 Thread B. Henry
I also have good results with the weather indicater which is similar to the weather applet I used in earlier Ubuntu releases. It does crash sometimes, but not that often for me. Others have reported some issues, but I don't know of any comon denominater between the users who've had more problems

Re: accessible weather and radio apps

2013-10-22 Thread B. Henry
So the radio-tray indicater does not have accessibility/usability issues now in 12.04-precise? I tried this before, I think on Lucid anddon't remember anything accept that it seemed to be useless with orca. Perhaps the change from an old style applet to an indicator has made things work differe

Re: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu?

2013-05-10 Thread B. Henry
I totally agree that we need to work on FoS alternatives to the IBMtts; but for now for some languages voxin is the most viable alternative. I don't want to see the day where folks must keep using old operating system(s) just to have an understandable voice in their language, but this day is at

Re: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu?

2013-05-09 Thread B. Henry
The svox voices were donated I thought, or was this only for Windows usage? I don't like pico svox at all for English, but found them quite listenable in French, and a much better alternative to espeak for Spanish; and at the moment the only alternative for Spanish in Linux that's of quality for

Re: libreoffice 4

2013-04-12 Thread B. Henry
I'm using LibreOffice 3.5, and hav been doing so for a while now. I do not use calc, so can't speak to its accessibility, but writer works very well for me. Actualy, I think I did look at one sheet in calc, but I have almost never had need to use calc or its microsoft equivalent. On Tue, Apr 0

Re: Resignation

2013-03-04 Thread B. Henry
Yours is one of the first names I noticed on the U.A. list which I subscribed to with-in days of starting to use Vinux and Ubuntu in mid 2010, and while we've had very little personal interaction your contributions have been noted and appreciated by me. paths do diverge as they come together, an

Re: shrinking a partition on a thumb drive

2013-02-15 Thread B. Henry
hanks for any help. Glenn -- B. Henry -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility

Re: network card problem

2013-01-29 Thread B. Henry
I might have not been clear in my other reply; so, you will probably need both linux-headers and linux-headers-generic with numbers that are in sync with your kernel version. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 05:01:12PM -0200, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi. > If memory serves me, I had a si

Re: network card problem

2013-01-29 Thread B. Henry
Well, if you are missing this it's most likely called either linux-headers, or linux-headers-generic, unless names were changed after natty. I have 0 idea if this is the actual problem, but it is worth looking in to. -- B.H. > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 05:01:12PM -0200, José Vilmar E

Re: Here it is...Ubuntu Phone

2013-01-07 Thread B. Henry
> does not have and that you wished it was there in Orca/ Ubuntu/ what > ever. > This helps because proprietary fokes are not going to listen any > ways, FOSS hackers do. > happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > On 01/07/2013 11:20 PM, B. Henry wrote: > >I don't see how it

Re: Here it is...Ubuntu Phone

2013-01-07 Thread B. Henry
y concerns. > > The work arounds to get speech working in both the command line and the > GUI as you jump back and forth between the two are pretty trivial. I > personally wouldn't push this too high on the Ubuntu accessibility queue. > > On 07/01/13 11:50, B. Henry wrote: >

Re: Here it is...Ubuntu Phone

2013-01-07 Thread B. Henry
Agreed as is often the case. I will say that vinegar's fine, but well applied. Take that how you as the readers will...lol. I just want to add that no one has to take the lead, or decide they want to take the lead to be of value in the fight. And if it turns out not to be a fight and more of a

Re: Here it is...Ubuntu Phone

2013-01-07 Thread B. Henry
I don't see how it's so hard, or detramental to your points to remove the shiny stuff line from a comment is hard, or in anyway takes away from the force of what you are saying; butt burnout is burnout. I wouldn't have even written to say that. I will say that you have just discovered or admitt

Re: Here it is...Ubuntu Phone

2013-01-05 Thread B. Henry
the functions jaws can offer, but very true that > ubuntu is a great system and I agree with all said that it must be > taken much more seriously. I just think that many people should not be > blamed if they stil use windows as there are reasons for that. A > balance is always helthy

Re: Campaign for Ubuntu Accessibility [was "Re: Here it is...Ubuntu Phone"]

2013-01-05 Thread B. Henry
Well, for better or worse, "out of sight, out of mind", seems to be standard human behavior. Hopefully a firm but gentle reminder about accessibility will be enough to get an honest reaction from Canonical, but there's always the chance of yet another fight on any given day; and a garanty of m

Re: Here it is...Ubuntu Phone

2013-01-05 Thread B. Henry
etc. to simply stand aside and let Linux > > become less accessibly relevant than Windows. It's sad that I enjoy > > using my VirtualBox Windows 7 install more than I do Ubuntu for many > > tasks, and is sad when accessibility developers ask me why I don't > > just

Re: Campaign for Ubuntu Accessibility [was "Re: Here it is...Ubuntu Phone"]

2013-01-05 Thread B. Henry
> Very good point. I am not sure that "shiny things" reffed mobile Ubuntu, and > my first thought was not this; but even if a spiffier more polished graphical > experience was what was being talked about your take is still valid. > There are probably some less than ideal moves being made at Ca

Re: Ringtail accessibility

2012-12-22 Thread B. Henry
g known so for quite some time, and even after having just read/replied to this conversation, I _almost sent this reply to Christopher and not to the list right now! Regards, -- B. Henry -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility