On 07/06/2009 06:15 PM, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
Olá Mackenzie e a todos.
On Tuesday 16 June 2009 22:33:07 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
I don't actually know anybody that used OOo on Windows before they used it
on Linux.
I did, and I've set *many* windows users to use OOo, even if they
Olá Mackenzie e a todos.
On Tuesday 16 June 2009 22:33:07 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
I don't actually know anybody that used OOo on Windows before they used it on
Linux.
I did, and I've set *many* windows users to use OOo, even if they never run
linux in their lives!
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 20:14, Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com
wrote:
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 02:46, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote:
Danny Piccirillo [2009-06-17 2:22 -0400]:
I'm noticing that in the latest daily build of Ubuntu, Pidgin in still
included, who makes
Danny Piccirillo [2009-06-19 4:31 -0400]:
It seems ubuntu-desktop recommends Empathy but still only includes Pidgin,
so it is not actually included in Karmic yet. Who can fix this? We need to
iron out as many bugs as possible!
The CDs didn't build because of missing dependencies, see
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Danny Piccirillo wrote on 17/06/09 21:13:
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What would Midori need to replace Firefox? It has plugin support, so
let's forget about the number of actual plugins (similar to Empathy
vs Pidgin, it would be unreasonable to expect that gap to close
Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
I like this idea. This could be not only limited to Pidgin, but other
software, like Xchat, for example.
Go ahead, create blueprint for this.
With apologies for the delay, please see:
Thanks for these links. Now you remind me, I do remember a flurry of
activity in August, which I'd put out of my mind when it didn't get any
traction.
I'll try to listen in during the next UDS, but it looks like there
aren't many archives kept around for those of us that want to go in and
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Andrew
Sayersandrew-ubuntu-de...@pileofstuff.org wrote:
I'll try to listen in during the next UDS, but it looks like there
aren't many archives kept around for those of us that want to go in and
see what happened in the past. Is it worth asking Canonical to
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 14.40 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto:
Daniel would know better, but based on what he's explained: I'd guess
Empathy
would deal better with audio than Skype would simply because Empathy
doesn't
try to abuse the ALSA API or do silly things to /proc like
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 02:46, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote:
Danny Piccirillo [2009-06-17 2:22 -0400]:
I'm noticing that in the latest daily build of Ubuntu, Pidgin in still
included, who makes the actual change and when will that happen?
I went through the MIRs last week, and
I guess my previous message wasn't clear - I'm not making an argument
here from personal preference, I'm trying to file a bug in Ubuntu
itself. Specifically, that dropping Pidgin will cause a regression in
the user experience for migraters.
I'm also not arguing that migraters are incapable of
I'm noticing that in the latest daily build of Ubuntu, Pidgin in still
included, who makes the actual change and when will that happen?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 02:06, Andrew Sayers
andrew-ubuntu-de...@pileofstuff.org wrote:
I guess my previous message wasn't clear - I'm not making an argument
Danny Piccirillo [2009-06-17 2:22 -0400]:
I'm noticing that in the latest daily build of Ubuntu, Pidgin in still
included, who makes the actual change and when will that happen?
I went through the MIRs last week, and changed the seeds now. It
should happen on tomorrow's daily CDs.
Martin
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I think it is quite clear that so called 'regressions' about Empathy
is more like 'We are so used to Pidgin, let it be there'. Yes, there
are bugs and they should be fixed. And I am quite sure they will be.
Empathy team seems to me are aiming for more concrete desktop
experience and have done
What I meant that Empathy, maybe not complete now, but it is the way
to go, it fits more in scheme of things for Ubuntu and GNOME. So it
felt to me that some of arguments presented in this thread were more
about keeping Pidgin, not about problems of Empathy which sure must be
addressed before
On 16/06/2009 Ken VanDine wrote:
If
you really need OTR, you can install pidgin.
All the users I've shown OTR to agreed it's an extremely good thing to
have. You can not know if your boss is watching you. Cryptography tools
available for the masses in an easy way is another way to distinguish
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 14:18 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
On 16/06/2009 Ken VanDine wrote:
If
you really need OTR, you can install pidgin.
All the users I've shown OTR to agreed it's an extremely good thing to
have. You can not know if your boss is watching you. Cryptography tools
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Andrew Sayers
andrew-ubuntu-de...@pileofstuff.org wrote:
I guess my previous message wasn't clear - I'm not making an argument
here from personal preference, I'm trying to file a bug in Ubuntu
itself. Specifically, that dropping Pidgin will cause a regression
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 11:39:22 am dan wrote:
Regarding UDS, and the decisions made there, I dont see how those sessions
could be any more inclusive. There is news and blogs and information
flowing out of there almost 24x7 for a week. The session schedules are
published. And there are
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 08.29 -0700, George Farris ha scritto:
I agree and use OTR all the time, however, if more people start using
Empathy then hopefully an OTR plugin will be ported sooner rather than
later.
Yes I agree. Another option would be for Canonical or Gnome to find
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 13.16 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto:
Nevermind the fact that Empathy replacing Pidgin eventually was
discussed at
UDS *Jaunty* 6 months ago with a let's aim for Jaunty+1 outcome and
then re-
discussed at UDS Karmic. There's been 6 months to get input.
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 2:30:20 pm Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 13.16 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto:
Nevermind the fact that Empathy replacing Pidgin eventually was
discussed at
UDS *Jaunty* 6 months ago with a let's aim for Jaunty+1 outcome and
www.ThePoint.com ?
www.COfundOS.org ?
Both are good for this
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:25, Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it wrote:
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 08.29 -0700, George Farris ha scritto:
I agree and use OTR all the time, however, if more people start using
Empathy
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 2:27:31 pm Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 14.01 +0300, Peteris Krisjanis ha
scritto:
What I meant that Empathy, maybe not complete now, but it is the way
to go, it fits more in scheme of things for Ubuntu and GNOME.
The same could be said
Hi Dan,
About halfway through this reply, a compromise occurred to me: get
migration-assistant to install Pidgin if it's detected. If that works,
it would get rid of many of the issues I've been complaining about, at
least for migraters that plan to dual boot. This post covers some
As promised, this reply will concentrate on working around problems
faced by migraters by patching migration-assistant. I would be willing
to put programming time into the ideas suggested here.
As I stated in another post, the best Linux migration strategy involves
two stages: new apps/same
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Andrew
Sayersandrew-ubuntu-de...@pileofstuff.org wrote:
I've not been able to find any discussion of Empathy online before this
week, and I can't find it in the schedules or the list of discussions.
Could you point to somewhere that the arguments are laid out?
What about Midori instead of Epiphany? I have yet to see a chart comparing
the two, but from what i've read, Midori is much better, and i've been using
it as my main browser for a while now.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:44, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday 17 June 2009
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 3:31:09 pm Danny Piccirillo wrote:
What about Midori instead of Epiphany? I have yet to see a chart comparing
the two, but from what i've read, Midori is much better, and i've been using
it as my main browser for a while now.
I've only used the Hardy version...that
Hi Dan,
About halfway through this reply, a compromise occurred to me: get
migration-assistant to install Pidgin if it's detected. If that works,
it would get rid of many of the issues I've been complaining about, at
least for migraters that plan to dual boot. This post covers some
Wow, yeah that was a long time ago...definitely grab the newest version
using the WebKit and Midori PPAs. It's really great and it's GNOME too. I
find it to be much faster and sleeker than Epiphany, and seems to have more
features. IMHO, it's just designed better. It is certainly not ready to take
2009/6/17 Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com:
Wow, yeah that was a long time ago...definitely grab the newest version
using the WebKit and Midori PPAs. It's really great and it's GNOME too. I
find it to be much faster and sleeker than Epiphany, and seems to have more
features. IMHO,
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 4:56:16 pm Evan R. Murphy wrote:
not sure I fully understand the rendering issue (could
someone elaborate on that, please?),
Webkit has, I believe, the fastest Javascript engine. It also has better CSS2
CSS3 support than other rendering engines (along with a few
Wait, I have a new proposal! Let's *not* include Empathy in Karmic, but plan
on including it in Karmic +1 (and *announce* this)
Why? Well, it will still give Empathy the attention it needs from developers
to fix the bugs that would be considered regressions during the switch
without actually
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 12:37 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
Wait, I have a new proposal! Let's not include Empathy in Karmic, but
plan on including it in Karmic +1 (and announce this)
Why? Well, it will still give Empathy the attention it needs from
developers to fix the bugs that would be
Danny Piccirillo wrote:
Wait, I have a new proposal! Let's *not* include Empathy in Karmic, but
plan on including it in Karmic +1 (and /announce/ this)
Why? Well, it will still give Empathy the attention it needs from
developers to fix the bugs that would be considered regressions during
Empathy itself is ok with version 2.27.3 for an average user.
The problem is telepathy: some protocols are behind pidgin's (such as
MSN which is poorly supported and developers don't respond to bugs
quickly)
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reading this discussion I decided to give a try. when I want to set
status to Hidden using my yahoo account, it's setting it to busy.
looking into launchpad I found same problem also for gmail, which I'm
not sure yet. and this bug is reported to empathy bugzilla.
2009/6/16 Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com
Wait, I have a new proposal! Let's *not* include Empathy in Karmic, but
plan on including it in Karmic +1 (and *announce* this)
Why? Well, it will still give Empathy the attention it needs from
developers to fix the bugs that would be
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 20:39 +0100, Alexander H Deriziotis wrote:
This would be a pretty bad move regarding Ubuntu's development model.
With a 6-month release cycle, things need to remain cutting edge. If
every release is just going to be a rehash of a previous one, then
Canonical should be
What this? Apparently at UDS this was already discussed and Empathy is going
to replace Pidgin--
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/MessagingAndCommunicationSelection
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 16:04, Asif Youssuff yoa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 20:39 +0100, Alexander
Jordan Mantha [2009-06-16 9:57 -0700]:
Well, but we basically already did that for Jaunty. At the time it was
decided to wait for Karmic. At some point we have to just bite the
bullet and do it. I'm not a huge empathy fan (it's OK, but pidgin is
better for me) but I think it's clearly the
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Ken VanDineken.vand...@canonical.com wrote:
Personally I don't see anything about empathy that is worse than pidgin.
Empathy has the plus of being extremely well integrated into GNOME and
the telepathy framework opens up such huge potential. Sticking with
The discussion so far has been people arguing about why they prefer Empathy
or Pidgin, but at UDS it was already decided that Empathy would ship with
Karmic. I humbly request that we all stop bickering about any problems we
may currently have with it, and start testing it and filing bug reports so
Heya
I've started using Empathy as my default IM messenger with Hardy or
interpid (can't remember i was compiling it by hand, it wasn't in the
repo's back then).
MSN is evil =D those that try to send me files or start audio/video
chat I just tell them it's not supported on my platform and then
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 17:36 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
IMHO Empathy is great for most users, especially new ones, and it can
replace poth pidgin AND ekiga. It lacks the basic features like the
ones you mentioned, but i don't think they are showstoppers and
including it in Karmic or the
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