Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 12.04 ....

2012-04-30 Thread alan c
On 30/04/12 15:48, Keith Burnett wrote: Hi James No, its just like last time. Two shift-alt-SysRq-b restarts later I've purged ubuntuone-client. I use dropbox to sync PC to netbook, which is horribly hassle free in comparison. It is a shame that I can't brag about Ubuntu One. I appreciate that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 12.04 ....

2012-04-29 Thread alan c
On 29/04/12 18:55, Barry Drake wrote: I've spent quite a bit of time on Ubuntu Help today as the questions were overwhelming the regular folk so I took a few on board. There are a vast number of folk who have virtually trashed their system by trying to do an upgrade. This is exactly the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 12.04 ....

2012-04-29 Thread alan c
On 29/04/12 21:04, Alan Bell wrote: it says do you want to upgrade? and you can say yes or no to it. Clearly yes is the preferred option, but why shouldn't we encourage people to upgrade to new cool stuff that will make their experience better (which is the aim of it, sometimes that doesn't work

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Install problems...

2012-04-28 Thread alan c
On 27/04/12 18:05, James Morrissey wrote: Found the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/b43-fwcutter/+bug/909871 If anyone can tell me how to set b43.blacklist=yes I'd appreciate it. With a live CD: when you see the symbols at the bottom of the display, press a key, to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 Unity intro poster

2012-04-28 Thread alan c
On 28/04/12 14:14, kpb wrote: On 28/04/12 11:59, Barry Drake wrote: Someone just upgraded from 10.04 and after answering a couple of questions, I pointed him to the poster. He found it very helpful. Hello Barry and all That is exactly what/who the poster is for, I'm glad it was useful.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 Unity intro poster

2012-04-28 Thread alan c
On 28/04/12 17:45, Bill Baker wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 17:23 +0100, Barry Drake wrote: On 28/04/12 15:55, alan c wrote: Errm Alan . we have an HUD. Try simply typing help (or even he) into the lens . Barry - now try pointing that out to a new user. ;) Yes, I thought

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 Unity intro poster

2012-04-28 Thread alan c
On 28/04/12 17:36, paul sutton wrote: On 28/04/12 17:31, Bill Baker wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 15:55 +0100, alan c wrote: On 28/04/12 14:14, kpb wrote: On 28/04/12 11:59, Barry Drake wrote: Someone just upgraded from 10.04 and after answering a couple of questions, I pointed him

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 Unity intro poster

2012-04-25 Thread alan c
I tried to reply to this post from k...@sohcahtoa.org.uk but I keep getting asked for an encryption key before sending -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 Unity intro poster

2012-04-25 Thread alan c
On 25/04/12 12:26, Barry Drake wrote: On 25/04/12 12:02, k...@sohcahtoa.org.uk wrote: I have made the modifications suggested here (at least to the extent I can fit on the poster!) Splendid work! Thanks. I really think this is too useful to be ignored. I hope somebody with write access

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 Unity intro poster

2012-04-25 Thread alan c
On 25/04/12 20:54, Barry Drake wrote: On 25/04/12 17:08, alan c wrote: A lot of careful work, certainly. But I would not want to point my novices to it, for them it is a page of detail stuff which I think would frighten them. And why does linux need a instructions? What about a similar

Re: [ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience

2012-04-23 Thread alan c
On 23/04/12 19:59, Pete Smout wrote: On 23/04/12 18:52, Dave Morley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/04/12 18:37, Pete Smout wrote: Hi, Just thought I'd feedback my 12.04 experiences so far. Ubuntu will not install on any of the 3 machines tried on so far! Gets

Re: [ubuntu-uk] My 12.04 experience

2012-04-23 Thread alan c
On 23/04/12 21:01, Pete Smout wrote: For info it was not the daily build as I have tried these before with no success. Nor did I try the live desktop as I have enough machines / hard drives to just install and play around with it so I went straight for the install as I have many times

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open standards policy .....

2012-04-20 Thread alan c
On 20/04/12 10:59, Barry Drake wrote: Below is an e-mail that I have sent to openstanda...@digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk with a copy to Francis Maude MP at psfrancisma...@cabinet-office.gsi.gov.uk I have also written to my local MP. Just a thought but some of you might want to do

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 audio recording?

2012-04-19 Thread alan c
On 19/04/12 07:31, steve wrote: On 18/04/12 21:21, alan c wrote: On 18/04/12 20:27, alan c wrote: On 18/04/12 19:56, Philip Stubbs wrote: On 18 April 2012 19:46, Philip Stubbsphi...@stuphi.co.uk wrote: It works here, at the moment. Just kicked off a 95Mb update, so will try again in a few

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 audio recording?

2012-04-19 Thread alan c
On 19/04/12 17:40, Ivan Wright wrote: Did you use Pulse Audio Volume control to choose the correct input for Sound-Recorder? I tried that that on todays daily build ISO and it worked fine, I was able to choose between Mic input and recording from Soundcard output. How do I get, or start,

[ubuntu-uk] 12.04 audio recording?

2012-04-18 Thread alan c
I have had remarkable success with Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 (updated) so far, however I have just discovered that the gnome media stuff, or at least - specifically the sound recorder facility - is a problem - it does not work. Not on the two different machines I have tried, and I am about to try a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 audio recording?

2012-04-18 Thread alan c
On 18/04/12 17:36, alan c wrote: I have had remarkable success with Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 (updated) so far, however I have just discovered that the gnome media stuff, or at least - specifically the sound recorder facility - is a problem - it does not work. Not on the two different machines I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 audio recording?

2012-04-18 Thread alan c
On 18/04/12 20:27, alan c wrote: On 18/04/12 19:56, Philip Stubbs wrote: On 18 April 2012 19:46, Philip Stubbs phi...@stuphi.co.uk wrote: It works here, at the moment. Just kicked off a 95Mb update, so will try again in a few minutes. :-) Lots of 3.4.0's were replaced with 3.4.1's so I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders

2012-04-17 Thread alan c
On 16/04/12 18:25, Liam Proven wrote: On 16 April 2012 16:20, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: What's wrong with not wanting to scroll miles to the bottom of the mail to read the latest post? Top posting and bottom posting/in line comments have context sensitive benefits. If

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Update 2012- Re: Fwd: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11]]

2012-04-15 Thread alan c
On 14/04/12 16:41, Bruno Girin wrote: them getting more and louder feedback from big business, who have the funds to engage in lobbying. Absolutely! What would you do if your entire basis of an easy revenue stream became instantly threatened? Big business will *not* let go, it is not useful to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity testing

2012-04-09 Thread alan c
On 08/04/12 20:03, Norman Silverstone wrote: snip I think we all ought to shout at the gimp folk. Gimp is an incredibly capable program, and it is also the least intuitive and least workable that I have ever seen! If the Gimp folk wanted to sell it for cash, there would be no chance!

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity testing

2012-04-09 Thread alan c
On 09/04/12 12:22, Barry Drake wrote: On 08/04/12 20:41, Alan Pope wrote: Interesting feedback Barry. I certainly didn't expect this, but then I naïvely expected people on this list to have taken a look at 12.04 previously, and be familiar with the basics. Thanks for highlighting this.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Reading meetup tomorrow evening

2012-03-29 Thread alan c
It is not a LUG meet, (the SCLUG is not Ubuntu specific). It is a UK Ubuntu Team meet whatever, - Ubuntu specific alan c On 29/03/12 09:35, Gareth France wrote: I'm confused. The reading meets are always on a Wednesday and the next one isn't until the 11th! So this can't be a LUG meeting

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Reading meetup tomorrow evening

2012-03-28 Thread alan c
On 28/03/12 18:05, Matthew Daubney wrote: Who'll be along? I should be there for a bit, but might have to vanish to collect the missus from some work do, but am looking forward to seeing people again! -Matt Daubney Sad to say I have a conflicting meet to build my 3d printer I would

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Precise Pangolin Release Party - London, 26th April

2012-03-28 Thread alan c
On 27/03/12 14:37, Alan Bell wrote: Hi all, I am very pleased to announce that we are joining forces with Canonical for the Ubuntu 12.04 release party! * Venue: Bar Soho (http://www.barsoho.co.uk/) * Date Time: 26 April, from 6.30pm * Drinks and light snacks will be provided

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....

2012-03-25 Thread alan c
On 23/03/12 21:06, Daniel Case wrote: I'm not saying don't evolve, just evolve in a way that most users agree is a good idea Catch 22. Unfortunately the vocal people who do not like something have plenty of placard space and ability to dampen a new flame. Evolution is a risk, a real risk.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....

2012-03-25 Thread alan c
On 23/03/12 21:06, Alan Bell wrote: On 23/03/12 20:16, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: soap box Treating users as idiots is not a policy, it's a mistake. As soon as I find a distribution worth installing everywhere, I'll be switching. Mint doesn't cut the mustard. I'm a Kubuntu/Lubuntu user on desktop

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....

2012-03-25 Thread alan c
On 23/03/12 22:11, scoundrel50a wrote: On 23/03/2012 22:04, Alan Pope wrote: On 23/03/12 21:45, Daniel Case wrote: On 23 March 2012 21:21, Neil Greenwood neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote: They spent lots of money testing different behaviours In my opinion, this is where the problem lies.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....

2012-03-25 Thread alan c
On 23/03/12 22:51, scoundrel50a wrote: .I never once since 11.04 have seen anything about testing, being involved, but I see people on here and have had to ask myself, and there is a tendency to either ignore or react the way you have, and you wonder why people get angry...first I have

[ubuntu-uk] Free lunch?

2012-03-25 Thread alan c
On 24/03/12 11:08, Chris Penston wrote: [snip of really good stuff] People tend to be impressed by the novelty that they have a choice. Almost always, the reaction is astonishment that something can be so good without costing anything 'so there must be a catch'. Yes I find that a lot,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....

2012-03-25 Thread alan c
On 25/03/12 10:48, scoundrel50a wrote: On 25/03/2012 10:18, alan c wrote: On 23/03/12 22:11, scoundrel50a wrote: On 23/03/2012 22:04, Alan Pope wrote: On 23/03/12 21:45, Daniel Case wrote: On 23 March 2012 21:21, Neil Greenwood neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote: They spent lots of money

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....

2012-03-25 Thread alan c
On 25/03/12 11:08, Alan Bell wrote: little stopping you from actually dragging it in the direction you want to go. Really. Participate remotely online in the developer summit that Oh I perhaps should mention. I had an idea for a minor improvement (I think 'significant' ) in how Launcher

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....

2012-03-25 Thread alan c
On 23/03/12 22:23, Daniel Case wrote: I've been in the Ubuntu community for 5 years already and don't plan on leaving any time soon, but I think there needs to be some representation of the hacker culture that Ubuntu has built up over the years so that we can find the middle ground, it seems

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....

2012-03-25 Thread alan c
On 24/03/12 01:38, Liam Proven wrote: However, I do think that Unity in general is not /nearly/ as customisable as Linux users tend to be used to. I would expect more customisable options as time goes on. I have read a statement which said that it was not policy to lack customise options, but

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....

2012-03-25 Thread alan c
On 25/03/12 11:11, scoundrel50a wrote: its taking me forever to get used to Ubuntu, trying another distro isnt going to workplus, from what I can see, a lot of you are members of other distros too.this distro is enough (I do wish you well with the health problems) I find that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Launcher applets

2012-03-16 Thread alan c
On 15/03/12 22:44, Liam Proven wrote: But I reckon that many of the new users flooding across once 12.04 is the new LTS are going to want actual good old-fashioned menus. :¬/ Are you sure about this? I am not. Most of the friends I help with Ubuntu are only interested in the apps they use.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Launcher applets

2012-03-16 Thread alan c
On 16/03/12 08:44, Alan Bell wrote: On 16/03/12 08:24, alan c wrote: On 15/03/12 22:44, Liam Proven wrote: But I reckon that many of the new users flooding across once 12.04 is the new LTS are going to want actual good old-fashioned menus. :¬/ Are you sure about this? I am not. Most

Re: [ubuntu-uk] dig out your old computers...

2012-03-16 Thread alan c
On 16/03/12 17:52, Liam Proven wrote: I let Brasero do a checksum it said no errors - but I didn't download the separate MD5sum or whatever it's called, no. with old machines and old CD drives, a CD self check (from the boot menu) has the advantage of also implicitly checking the drive

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Introducing Ubuntu Unity to new people

2012-03-15 Thread alan c
On 15/03/12 01:23, Liam Proven wrote: Moving windows from screen to screen is easier than on I see that in Ubuntu 12.04 beta 1 updated (3D) it is possible to drag windows between workspaces as favourite Dad tried to do. It also has a method of changing size of launcher icons. -- alan cocks

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Introducing Ubuntu Unity to new people

2012-03-14 Thread alan c
On 13/03/12 20:46, alan c wrote: A tangential one here. Someone made a video of his dad trying Win8 for the first time. Worth a serious watch. There but for the grace of God go I. (But not to Windows for me though) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nUfeature=youtu.be More reactions

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Introducing Ubuntu Unity to new people

2012-03-13 Thread alan c
A tangential one here. Someone made a video of his dad trying Win8 for the first time. Worth a serious watch. There but for the grace of God go I. (But not to Windows for me though) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nUfeature=youtu.be -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Introducing Ubuntu Unity to new people

2012-03-12 Thread alan c
On 11/03/12 21:42, Barry Drake wrote: On 11/03/12 12:44, Alan Pope wrote: Assume you only have a short while to demo Ubuntu to them - maybe 5 to 10 minutes - you don't want to spend all day boring them and you don't want to eat up your/their family/work time. Among the other things

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Introducing Ubuntu Unity to new people

2012-03-12 Thread alan c
On 11/03/12 22:25, Alan Bell wrote: In firefox we set up his webmail and pinned that as an application tab as a separate item, I am not sure how that is done, can we have a short separate thread on that, alan please? thx -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Introducing Ubuntu Unity to new people

2012-03-12 Thread alan c
On 11/03/12 22:25, Alan Bell wrote: I noticed that Dad was peering at the screen a bit (I got him a new 17 screen to replace the 14 screen so there is more room on it, but similar dot size) so I used ccsm to set the mouse bindings for the enhanced zoom plugin to super+button4 and button5

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Introducing Ubuntu Unity to new people

2012-03-12 Thread alan c
On 11/03/12 22:25, Alan Bell wrote: I set up a show Alan button on the desktop which makes a keys based ssh session to my home server on a static IP address and forwards his port 22 to a port here. I can then ssh back to him and log in as a user I created on his machine, I can also forward

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Introducing Ubuntu Unity to new people

2012-03-11 Thread alan c
On 11/03/12 12:44, Alan Pope wrote: Lets suppose you're in a relaxed location, your home or business maybe, and a distant family member, friend or co-worker (someone you know but not very well) says Hey, what's that on your computer?. Assume you only have a short while to demo Ubuntu to them

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Partitioning Question

2012-03-10 Thread alan c
On 10/03/12 14:32, Nigel Verity wrote: Hi A bit of advice on partitioning, please. I currently dual-boot Xubuntu and Windows 7. I've now got to the happy situation where I no longer need any Windows applications. Consequently I'd like to delete Windows and reclaim the 80 Gb of disk space

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Plans (marketing)

2012-03-08 Thread alan c
On 07/03/12 22:26, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote: On Mar 7, 2012 7:01 PM, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: What I took from this exchange was that the retail goldfish bowl we all actually live in, is one of deep immersion. There is hardly anywhere we can go, or that I can think of, which

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Plans (marketing)

2012-03-07 Thread alan c
On 07/03/12 12:20, paul sutton wrote: Any product will HAVE to come with real AGGRESSIVE marketing, Local lugs have problems simply finding people in stores to talk to about alternatives to windows, let alone agreeing to agree take in cd's or other materials for display etc. . A couple

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Plans (marketing)

2012-03-07 Thread alan c
On 07/03/12 19:00, alan c wrote: But trust in strangers is not something that comes easy in a world full of scams. Correction trust in strangers only comes easily if people have paid a lot of money for a retail box! -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Plans (marketing)

2012-03-07 Thread alan c
On 07/03/12 20:05, Simon Greenwood wrote: On Mar 7, 2012 7:07 PM, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 07/03/12 19:00, alan c wrote: But trust in strangers is not something that comes easy in a world full of scams. Correction trust in strangers only comes easily if people have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] dig out your old computers...

2012-03-04 Thread alan c
On 03/03/12 22:51, Phill Whiteside wrote: Hiyas, Yeah, for the testing of lubuntu [1] [2] We need some 128Mb RAM machines [2] . These are needed for non PAE chipsets as well. We need to know if the none PAE system install actually will work. We only have one with actual hardware as yet,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What does this remind you of

2012-03-03 Thread alan c
On 03/03/12 16:26, mac wrote: On 03/03/12 16:13, Bruno Girin wrote: snip I've discussed that with a friend before. The problem of an option during the install or upgrade is that a number of users would not know which option to choose... Bruno Thanks for your thoughtful and informative

Re: [ubuntu-uk] dig out your old computers...

2012-03-03 Thread alan c
On 03/03/12 22:51, Phill Whiteside wrote: Hiyas, Yeah, for the testing of lubuntu [1] [2] We need some 128Mb RAM machines [2] . These are needed for non PAE chipsets as well. We need to know if the none PAE system install actually will work. We only have one with actual hardware as yet,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Rules of engagement or etiquette?

2012-02-29 Thread alan c
On 29/02/12 18:30, Andres Muniz wrote: Liam said: Not yet, no. It's not yet in beta. It's too soon. i mean unity 11.10. This person is using 10.04 (LTS) I'd plug the offending machine into the network with a cable and do a full update. If that still does not resolve the problem, try one

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Recommendations for a printer?

2012-01-22 Thread alan c
On 22/01/12 13:34, Liam Proven wrote: I've tried a couple of Kodaks and they worked well too, once the specific driver was installed - which was a battle as Kodak don't make them readily available. Kodak have some of the cheapest ink around, I believe. Kodak have recently filed for bankrupcy

[ubuntu-uk] Novatech - Ubuntu good news?

2012-01-13 Thread alan c
With a current thread I have seen about laptop buying in mind, I called in to Novatech Reading on my travels. I spoke to the Manager Alex Burrows. I had discussed Ubuntu etc with him on a previous occasion or two over the years and received agreement in principle to try out Ubuntu on specific kit

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Recommendations for a printer? HPLIP

2012-01-04 Thread alan c
On 04/01/12 20:00, Andy Braben wrote: 2012/1/4 Juan J. reid...@usebox.net On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 18:10 +, Andy Braben wrote: [...] Is that not worth a bug report? HPLIP package not kept up to date on automatic updates? That's a very good point. There's a policy about updates after

[ubuntu-uk] heads up Cloud Expo Europe London Olympia January 2012

2011-12-25 Thread alan c
Heads up: Cloud Expo Europe London, Olympia, I see this is being held January 2012, 25-26th Does anyone know if there will be any representation of Ubuntu, community, or such? If there is, it is possible I can attend and or help, but I cannot be sure just yet. http://www.cloudexpoeurope.com/ --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Samsung Galaxy tab 10.1

2011-12-24 Thread alan c
On 24/12/11 01:41, Nick Callaghan wrote: Hey all, Just wondering if anybody on the list has the samsung galaxytab 10.1 and has managed to connect it to as a mass storage device in ubuntu? Apparently it connects as an mtp device? I did manage to find:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Repairing a dualboot Ubuntu-XP system

2011-12-24 Thread alan c
On 24/12/11 13:39, paul sutton wrote: On 24/12/11 12:10, David Smith wrote: I have supplied a second hand PC to a friend, dual booting XP and Ubuntu 10.10 from one HD. Somehow, he's made a mess of his XP and I need to do either a repair-over-the-top install or a full XP wipe and reload.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Precise Pangolin ....

2011-12-19 Thread alan c
On 19/12/11 12:30, Barry Drake wrote: Precise also seems to run faster than Oneiric. I've got a really good feeling about it and the future of Ubuntu. Installed 12.04 alpha1 and then updated: It is certainly fast, I am surprised and impressed. It is on a machine with a somewhat

[ubuntu-uk] Unity - I like this

2011-12-15 Thread alan c
I ran small club meetings Monday and Wednesday (different people, all retired), five or six in each meeting, and all are interested in Libre computing, however they are still all using Windows on their usual PCs and would regard themselves as non techie novices, at the slightly ambitious end of

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No, You Won't See Me on Facebook, Google Plus, nor Skype - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn )

2011-12-12 Thread alan c
On 12/12/11 14:47, Avi Greenbury wrote: alan c wrote: On 12/12/11 09:13, mac wrote: What do you reckon to Brad's argument?... http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2011/11/24/google-plus.html Excellent point. Using social media which itself undermines the main principle of the group you believe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] CTS @ computer fairs - Bracknell Local activity etc

2011-12-07 Thread alan c
On 07/12/11 03:01, Liam Proven wrote: On 6 December 2011 22:40, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: In addition, it may be of interest to mention here that I also run a couple of groups within the U3A 'clubs'. U3A is for those retired people who seek to (in theory) continue

Re: [ubuntu-uk] CTS @ computer fairs - Bracknell Local activity etc

2011-12-07 Thread alan c
On 07/12/11 17:44, George Tripp wrote: In addition, it may be of interest to mention here that I also run a couple of groups within the U3A 'clubs'. I've recently joined Northampton U3A. I'm intending to attend a computing group next month however having spoken to the leader there doesn't

Re: [ubuntu-uk] CTS @ computer fairs

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 05/12/11 14:20, Gareth France wrote: Hi everyone, since a few people took an interest in my business and asked me to keep you all updated here goes... I've now got a facebook group page www.facebook.com/cliftonts which I will be using for 'today only' type offers and news updates, feel free

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 02/12/11 08:52, Juan J. Martínez wrote: On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 00:58 +, Phill Whiteside wrote: I certainly do not wish to partake in a flame war. People are naturally conservative. Take for example how long it took for Lubuntu to gain adoption. If you are unhappy with Unity, then try

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 02/12/11 08:21, Matthew Daubney wrote: On 2 December 2011 01:20, Ivan Wright quid...@gmail.com wrote: I think they needed to move on and change style, we couldn't sit with a 1995 styled OS forever. What should be done is to do away with the six month development cycle, which is far too

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 02/12/11 08:48, Barry Drake wrote: On 02/12/11 08:21, Matthew Daubney wrote: Ubuntu does have a 24 month release cycle version, the LTS release. These releases are targeted at stability more than anything else. The next release 12.04 will be an LTS. -Matt Daubney And it will be good!

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 02/12/11 09:00, Alan Bell wrote: I would encourage you to give Precise a test and file bugs I am happy to say I have recently filed a 'bug' re the Unity GUI because I could see that it was not doing justice to itself, and the bug has been accepted #887341 :-) -- alan cocks --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 02/12/11 10:27, Kris Douglas wrote: get there but the Ubuntu developers have to remember if they scare all their users away with very beta software, they will not easily come back. I think this is a real issue and there factors that are in the realm of marketing and public relations. Where

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 02/12/11 11:53, Alan Bell wrote: If you are selling computers and want to pre-install Ubuntu then the OEM team might be interested if you are getting them made in volumes of tens of thousands or more in the far East. For less than that it is community based support through the LoCo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 02/12/11 13:55, Avi Greenbury wrote: paul sutton wrote: I am sure if you got to Microsoft or Apple or any other BIG player you get a fast response. This is the business world i guess people want a quick response. Only if you pay them for it; Canonical sell that sort of support

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 02/12/11 14:53, Paula Graham wrote: Dropbox now for my own personal use but will I stopped using dropbox and went to spideroak when dropbox messed up on their passwords security whatever. Anyway I actually find spideroak much easier to understand :-/ and they hold stuff encrypted by

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction? Previous Windows user?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 03/12/11 13:24, Avi Greenbury wrote: Barry Drake wrote: On 03/12/11 04:15, Liam Proven wrote: I think it is easier if you have Mac experience. If all someone knows is Windows, they're lost. In a recent post, Paula said exactly the opposite - and she's working with Windows folk at

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 02/12/11 12:12, Gareth France wrote: It is very difficult to take a post like this seriously. Cheers, Andy I don't know, it seems to have sparked a rather healthy debate. Very much so, and I have appreciated it. -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 02/12/11 12:17, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 12:12:46PM +, Gareth France wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Andy Smith a...@bitfolk.com wrote: It is very difficult to take a post like this seriously. I don't know, it seems to have sparked a rather healthy

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 02/12/11 15:57, Gareth France wrote: Very true, I'm quite new here so I don't really know anyone yet. Oddly enough everyone I'm getting to know seems to be called Alan!! ROFL Hey, but I was called Alan first! ( I think) -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 02/12/11 06:04, Nigel Verity wrote: Thunar, is a little lacking in advanced functionality I was amazed when I found I could use thunar to change filenames en masse using it. -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] CTS @ computer fairs - Bracknell Local activity etc

2011-12-06 Thread alan c
On 06/12/11 21:40, Gareth France wrote: Oh, how is the group you started doing? I've added it to my leaflets to help anyone I sell to. Good. Still pretty quiet . . . I did support some months of 'Ubuntu Hour' in Bracknell some time ago, and a few people did attend on occasions. But there was

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting

2011-11-23 Thread alan c
On 23/11/11 09:45, Jon Reynolds wrote: I totally agree with and understand the logic behind the top posting argument. It makes perfect sense to have the flow of conversation chronologically downwards, so reading over a conversation is easy. But, as we all know, hardly anyone, except for

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-22 Thread alan c
On 22/11/11 16:22, Gareth France wrote: For all those who are interested my webpage is now up and running (sort of), the address is www.cliftonts.co.uk Not everything is complete yet but there is a limited range of Ubuntu systems on there and I'm polishing out the rough edges as fast as I

[ubuntu-uk] [marketing] Ubuntu in China and Portugal

2011-11-21 Thread alan c
That's the way to do it! As of this week, Ubuntu is now on sale in over 100 retail outlets in Portugal. http://blog.canonical.com/2011/11/18/ubuntu-launches-at-retail-in-portugal-with-asus Canonical and Dell announced the start of an exciting retail program to sell machines pre-loaded with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 14:45, Chris Rowson wrote: I thought some of you might be interested in this recent guidance released by the Cabinet Office on Open Source Software: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/open-source-procurement-toolkit It's publicly accessible so you don't need a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 20:24, Barry Drake wrote: On 19/11/11 14:45, Chris Rowson wrote: I thought some of you might be interested in this recent guidance released by the Cabinet Office on Open Source Software: I'm quite excited by this. I had already contacted my MP, MEP, local councillor and County

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 20:33, Chris Rowson wrote: The 'All About Open Source' document is particularly interesting because it explains why UK.gov can't mandate Open Source software. It's not entirely straight forward; I'm not entirely sure, but I think it means to say that UK.gov considers 'Open

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 21:03, Avi Greenbury wrote: Chris Rowson wrote: The bit that jumped out at me personally was the legal definition of open source as a product rather than a feature. I wondered if this might make it difficult to specify open source as a requirement in a tender (because it seems

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 20:40, Juan J. Martínez wrote: I don't know the details about UK gov, but in Spain the government pays an absurd amount of money just for the licenses, and then pays for support... frequently from a third party (probably the vendor providing the hardware, with a partnership with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Look what I found in waitrose

2011-11-16 Thread alan c
On 16/11/11 11:02, Jacob Mansfield wrote: Hey guys, look what a friend of mine found in waitrose: https://twitter.com/#!/supernintendo/status/136731777686437888 Neat My local Waitrose does not stock these (yet), however I bought some in Wallingford store at the Bunkfest celebration, and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....

2011-11-13 Thread alan c
On 13/11/11 01:04, Alan Pope wrote: On 12 Nov 2011, at 23:29, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 18:41, Barry Drake wrote: On 12/11/11 17:03, alan c wrote: Yes, sorry, I was too vague, SMART errors. I explained to her at the time that we were not looking at her

[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?

2011-11-12 Thread alan c
From the G+ novice department: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think)with the Ubuntu UK Team (circle). Is it actually there? Anyone? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?

2011-11-12 Thread alan c
On 12/11/11 14:05, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Alan, On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35:03PM +, alan c wrote: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think)with the Ubuntu UK Team (circle). If that is a circle that you created, I think that only influences what

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?

2011-11-12 Thread alan c
On 12/11/11 14:57, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 14:47, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:05, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Alan, On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35:03PM +, alan c wrote: I am starting to use G+ and have just written an item, shared (I think

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?

2011-11-12 Thread alan c
On 12/11/11 15:13, Neil Perry wrote: On 12 November 2011 15:10, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:57, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 14:47, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:05, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Alan, On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:35

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Team Google+ page?

2011-11-12 Thread alan c
On 12/11/11 15:47, Tony Pursell wrote: On 12 November 2011 15:20, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 15:13, Neil Perry wrote: On 12 November 2011 15:10, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 14:57, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 14:47, alan c

[ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....

2011-11-12 Thread alan c
Yesterday I spent time with someone who was interested in using Ubuntu. The Live CD ran well in her laptop. However, the live session disc utility showed some errors, numerically apparently quite a lot. I discussed her considering a new drive, but anyway helped her back up some files. She

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....

2011-11-12 Thread alan c
On 12/11/11 16:43, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 16:31, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Yesterday I spent time with someone who was interested in using Ubuntu. The Live CD ran well in her laptop. However, the live session disc utility showed some errors, numerically apparently

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....

2011-11-12 Thread alan c
On 12/11/11 17:12, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 17:03, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 12/11/11 16:43, Colin Law wrote: On 12 November 2011 16:31, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Yesterday I spent time with someone who was interested in using Ubuntu. The Live CD

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bug #1 and onwards....

2011-11-12 Thread alan c
On 12/11/11 18:41, Barry Drake wrote: On 12/11/11 17:03, alan c wrote: Yes, sorry, I was too vague, SMART errors. I explained to her at the time that we were not looking at her Windows, and this was information from the drive itself. And then later her son connected remotely, to Windows

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