Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: The point about this particular application (Hyperion) was that it was one RECOMMENDED by the vendor of our ERM as being the best one! Well, if they're supporting the entire environment I suppose that's alright then. But, in that case, you had no need to involve IT

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 24/06/2011 10:14, Avi Greenbury wrote: Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: Not so. How can the IT dept evaluate a FINANCIAL reporting application? Especially an internationally-recognised market leader? The IT dept is a SERVICE dept. If the MD says "I want such and such a software because I think we

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 12:20 +0100, a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk wrote: > > When I did support, i lost count of the number of times I had to > explain why a new app would take 6 months to get onto the platform. > Hahaha, yes, it drives me mad when people look at me like I'm just being difficult

[ubuntu-uk] School websites

The following comment was made... "Not so. How can the IT dept evaluate a FINANCIAL reporting application? Especially an internationally-recognised market leader? The IT dept is a SERVICE dept. If the MD says "I want such and such a software because I think we can benefit from it, the IT de

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On 24 June 2011 10:03, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > ** > Not so. How can the IT dept evaluate a FINANCIAL reporting application? > Especially an internationally-recognised market leader? The IT dept is a > SERVICE dept. If the MD says "I want such and such a software because I > think we can be

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 24 June 2011 10:03, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > ** > On 24/06/2011 08:52, Sean Miller wrote: > > On 24 June 2011 08:45, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > >> As an example - in a quoted UK IT sector company, we (the Group Finance >> Dept) decided that we wanted a reporting tool to sit on top o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: Not so. How can the IT dept evaluate a FINANCIAL reporting application? Especially an internationally-recognised market leader? The IT dept is a SERVICE dept. If the MD says "I want such and such a software because I think we can benefit from it, the IT dept shouldn't

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 24/06/2011 10:03, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: Not so. How can the IT dept evaluate a FINANCIAL reporting application? Especially an internationally-recognised market leader? The IT dept is a SERVICE dept. If the MD says "I want such and such a software because I think we can benefit from it,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 24/06/2011 08:52, Sean Miller wrote: On 24 June 2011 08:45, Gordon Burgess-Parker > wrote: As an example - in a quoted UK IT sector company, we (the Group Finance Dept) decided that we wanted a reporting tool to sit on top of JD Edwards, our ERM software

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On 24 June 2011 08:45, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > As an example - in a quoted UK IT sector company, we (the Group Finance > Dept) decided that we wanted a reporting tool to sit on top of JD Edwards, > our ERM software. After research we decided on Hyperion which is (or was 15 > years ago) one

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 23/06/2011 23:27, Avi wrote: Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: RM and their ilk are acting like 1980's IT depts...they allow only what softwareTHEY approve of. Perhaps I'm missing the point here but I'm intrigued - how to these 'modern' IT departments manage letting people run whatever they like?

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not sure I fully understand the relevance of this to the reapproval, but feel free to raise it on tuesday. Alan. On 23/06/11 23:29, Phill Whiteside wrote: The world moved on and people got lazy? Well, that's how I like to see it - I'd hate to read of any more 'kick-backs' being paid. There i

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The world moved on and people got lazy? Well, that's how I like to see it - I'd hate to read of any more 'kick-backs' being paid. There is another email thread now started, so not too sure which one to place this in. But, I do know that uk-LoCo is up for re-approval On that vein, even though

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > RM and their ilk are acting like 1980's IT depts...they allow only > what softwareTHEY approve of. Perhaps I'm missing the point here but I'm intrigued - how to these 'modern' IT departments manage letting people run whatever they like? -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.

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On 23/06/2011 23:18, Tony Pursell wrote: What has happened then to 'Local Management of Schools'? When I was a school governor, admittedly some 20 years ago, schools could opt out of the LEA negotiated contracts. They certainly can opt out - but as the LEA controls the network and Internet a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 23:08 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > On 23/06/2011 20:19, Grant Sewell wrote: > > > > To an extent, I agree with you. However, there is also the argument > > that RM et al are merely services and if the people to whom they are > > providing a service demand XYZ then it

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On 23/06/2011 20:19, Grant Sewell wrote: To an extent, I agree with you. However, there is also the argument that RM et al are merely services and if the people to whom they are providing a service demand XYZ then it would be inappropriate for RM et al to provide PQR instead. Unfortunately it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:47:29 +0100 Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > On 11/06/2011 11:43, Sean Miller wrote: > > The key is that we need to EDUCATE the "educators" that > > accessibility is important, and Word/Excel files disempower those > > without the software to read > I think the key point is no

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On 11/06/2011 14:08, Sean Miller wrote: If they've got an even remotely competent IT Teacher IT teachers in primary schools tend to be the PT teacher because he/she hasn't enough PT to warrant a whole postso it's a bit of a lottery as to their IT skills... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 23/06/2011 11:47, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: accent new formats "Accent"? Darned spellcheckers! Should be "accept" of course -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

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On 11/06/2011 11:43, Sean Miller wrote: The key is that we need to EDUCATE the "educators" that accessibility is important, and Word/Excel files disempower those without the software to read I think the key point is not so much that the teachers need educating - they use what's placed in front

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 11:01 +0100, Dan Attwood wrote: > > > > > This must be a pretty common problem - most schools, I > imagine, want > roughly the same bits and pieces on their site. Does there not > already > e

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:56:34 +0100 Jon Reynolds wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:46:10 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: > > > Mr. D. > Archer > > Y4 > > Beech > > Curriculum, Racist Incidents, Literacy, Music, > Mentor, KS2 liaison > > > > ^^ as above, from website!! > > > > I think I > comm

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> > >> This must be a pretty common problem - most schools, I imagine, want > roughly the same bits and pieces on their site. Does there not already > exist a plug-and-play school website where, as Wordpress is for blogs, > they can just install it and get a quite agreeable website in about > fifte

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

Sarah Chard wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 08:27 +0100, Jon Reynolds wrote: Well I was thinking perhaps I should approach them and offer to do them a new website (my contribution towards PTA and all that) :) I think a very simple Drupal installation would be worlds apart from what they have toda

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School websites are mostly in-school projects as part of ICT courses, or if they are better looking, are as often as not built by an enthusiastic staff member. The latter is the case at the school that my wife works at. For some reason school websites are rarely seen as essential and the way that I

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:32:20 +0100 Avi Greenbury wrote: > On 20/06/11 08:26, Jon Reynolds wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:04:42 +0100, Yorvyk wrote: > >> I wouldn't send kids there, as Mr Archer seems to be rather nasty. > >> He's responsible for racist incidents. > >> > > I don't know who Mr A

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O n Mon, 2011-06-20 at 08:27 +0100, Jon Reynolds wrote: > Well I was thinking perhaps I should approach them and offer to do > them > a new website (my contribution towards PTA and all that) :) > > I think a very simple Drupal installation would be worlds apart from > what they have today.

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On 20/06/11 08:46, Sean Miller wrote: Mr. D. Archer Y4 Beech Curriculum, Racist Incidents, Literacy, Music, Mentor, KS2 liaison ^^ as above, from website!! I think I commented too on the fact that having a teacher responsible for "racist incidents" suggested that they must have some histo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:46:10 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: > Mr. D. Archer > Y4 > Beech > Curriculum, Racist Incidents, Literacy, Music, Mentor, KS2 liaison > > ^^ as above, from website!! > > I think I commented too on the fact that having a teacher responsible for "racist incidents" suggeste

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Mr. D. Archer Y4 Beech Curriculum, Racist Incidents, Literacy, Music, Mentor, KS2 liaison ^^ as above, from website!! I think I commented too on the fact that having a teacher responsible for "racist incidents" suggested that they must have some history in that school with such is it a very et

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:32:20 +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: On 20/06/11 08:26, Jon Reynolds wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:04:42 +0100, Yorvyk wrote: I wouldn't send kids there, as Mr Archer seems to be rather nasty. He's responsible for racist incidents. I don't know who Mr Archer is but what do

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 20/06/11 08:26, Jon Reynolds wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:04:42 +0100, Yorvyk wrote: I wouldn't send kids there, as Mr Archer seems to be rather nasty. He's responsible for racist incidents. I don't know who Mr Archer is but what do you back up your accusations with? I think he's just po

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:41:42 +0100, Alan Lord (News) wrote: On 17/06/11 14:33, Jon Reynolds wrote: I've just had a look at my little un's school website and the first thing that stop you doing anything useful, i.e. like using the navigation menu, is the fact that for some (cannot imagine) reason

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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:04:42 +0100, Yorvyk wrote: I think you're all being rather mean about the site, look at the increase in hits it's had over the last few days :) At least it doesn't have 'Best viewed in IE4 or Netscape 2 at 1024X768'. Looking at the 'Our Staff' page, though, I wouldn't

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On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:14:49 +0100 Dan Fish wrote: > On 18/06/11 14:35, Rob Beard wrote: > > On 18/06/11 10:14, Sean Miller wrote: > >> Yikes... !! > >> > >> "Recognised for ICT"? Perhaps that was due to being "pioneers" and > >> setting up their website at a time most others didn't have one...

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On 18/06/11 14:35, Rob Beard wrote: On 18/06/11 10:14, Sean Miller wrote: Yikes... !! "Recognised for ICT"? Perhaps that was due to being "pioneers" and setting up their website at a time most others didn't have one... alas, I think it's rather overdue for an upgrade. Sean My god what an a

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On 18/06/11 10:14, Sean Miller wrote: Yikes... !! "Recognised for ICT"? Perhaps that was due to being "pioneers" and setting up their website at a time most others didn't have one... alas, I think it's rather overdue for an upgrade. Sean My god what an awful site. I gave up after waiting 1

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Yikes... !! "Recognised for ICT"? Perhaps that was due to being "pioneers" and setting up their website at a time most others didn't have one... alas, I think it's rather overdue for an upgrade. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.

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On 17/06/11 14:33, Jon Reynolds wrote: I've just had a look at my little un's school website and the first thing that stop you doing anything useful, i.e. like using the navigation menu, is the fact that for some (cannot imagine) reason, it is required to install Java on your machine, just so you

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 17 Jun 2011, at 14:33, Jon Reynolds wrote: > I've just had a look at my little un's school website and the first thing > that stop you doing anything useful, i.e. like using the navigation menu, is > the fact that for some (cannot imagine) reason, it is required to install > Java on your ma

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> Oh boy what a waste, why did they not use CSS nav buttons; look better, and > work heaps better > > > because they built it in frontpage -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

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...@jcrdevelopments.com, UK Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites I've just had a look at my little un's school website and the first thing that stop you doing anything useful, i.e. like using the navigation menu, is the fact that for some (cannot imagine) reason, it i

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

I've just had a look at my little un's school website and the first thing that stop you doing anything useful, i.e. like using the navigation menu, is the fact that for some (cannot imagine) reason, it is required to install Java on your machine, just so you can use the navigation links?? WHY

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Things like Dreamweaver add a lot of bloated code. Even at government training at your local library they terach you basic HTML so you can attempt to fix errors. Good luck getting a fast load and SEO results unless you know coding and are doing so by yourself. My source? I got my degree doing Web D

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On Jun 11, 2011 2:40 PM, "Will Bickerstaff" wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, J Fernyhough wrote: [snip] >> aren't going to spend the time reformatting a newsletter in HTML >> format once they've made it in Word (or even worse, Publisher). Hence, >> save as a PDF, done. > > > I couldn't a

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On 11 June 2011 21:44, Dino T. wrote: > Teachers have enough on their plate teaching 2-3 subjects. So on top of > teaching subjects they didnt do a degree, they now by your standards have to > learn HTML etc? Give me a break. > Few build web pages in raw html nowadays. No-one should be so doing

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Teachers have enough on their plate teaching 2-3 subjects. So on top of teaching subjects they didnt do a degree, they now by your standards have to learn HTML etc? Give me a break. School websites are only done as a means to advertise and make the school have an online presence. They do not in ma

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On 11/06/11 14:51, Tony Scott wrote: > Surely schools could use something like WordPress? > > Disclosure - I organise WordCamp UK ;-) > > -- > Tony Scott > http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://twitter.com/tonys | > http://2011.portsmouth.wordcampuk.org | http://lpd.bectu.com | > http://orangecoconut.

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This might be a bit out of subject or opening a completly new can of worms but can't libreoffice save in html format? It can definatly save in pdf. Without installing cutepdf or whatever the schools are using. -- Sent from my Nokia N900 Please do not send me word documents plain txt or pdf ar

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I know people with PhDs who won't write HMTL onto an open access academic site I run. It's not that people are too stupid, it's that they're too busy and don't do it often enough to be able to remember the markup between times - and they don't have time/skills to find their own errors when they mak

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: Will Bickerstaff >To: UK Ubuntu Talk >Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2011, 14:39 >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites > > > > > >On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, J Fernyhough wrote: > > >>I know I slate the state of teaching quite often, but it's no

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On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, J Fernyhough wrote: > > I know I slate the state of teaching quite often, but it's not > teachers who upload stuff onto websites - it's admin staff. Primary > schools, for example, have a school secretary who normally has to do > pretty much everything (and quite o

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On 11/06/11 14:18, J Fernyhough wrote: On 11 June 2011 14:08, Sean Miller wrote: Erm, this is a SCHOOL! Sparta? If they've got an even remotely competent IT Teacher Ha, nice one. See previous discussions. :) Plus, primary schools don't have IT teachers, they have class teachers (who might h

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On 11 June 2011 14:08, Sean Miller wrote: > > Erm, this is a SCHOOL! Sparta? > > If they've got an even remotely competent IT Teacher Ha, nice one. See previous discussions. :) Plus, primary schools don't have IT teachers, they have class teachers (who might have a specialism, normally Early Ye

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On 11 June 2011 13:33, J Fernyhough wrote: > Collect dinner money, enter register data, phone parents, send out > letters - and one of the other tasks is to post newsletters onto the > school website. When you think about school secretaries you don't > think about people with technological intere

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On Saturday 11 Jun 2011 09:32:31 Mark Fraser wrote: > Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - > https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to > other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel > or PPT format both old and new w

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On 11 June 2011 11:40, Sean Miller wrote: > > No, that is not the point at all... schools would not take on somebody to be > their secretary who had no concept of what a word processor was, or could > not use a spreadsheet... they are meant to be educational establishments... > are you REALLY sayi

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Sean Miller wrote: > It's their CHOICE to "attach a PDF" rather than merely type the > information into (in many cases) a WYSIWYG editor such as fckeditor > or tinymce. Interesting use of 'merely' there. It's hardly surprising that they choose to attach an already-extant document rather than 'mer

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On 11/06/11 11:40, Sean Miller wrote: > On 11 June 2011 11:30, Paul Sutton > wrote: > > Perhaps we need more people in schools to help out who can actually do > web design and help out without charging hundreds of pounds for the job. > nProblem is most people o

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My sons school is not great. Most things are in PDF, Newsletters, prospectus, ofsted reports etc, I like the way Mark's school links directly to the ofsted site for the HTML version of the report rather than the way ours provides a PDF version. However we have no word excel or ppt files yet. The ca

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On 11 June 2011 11:40, Sean Miller wrote: > I am SORRY but if this is the state of our education system then I > despair... > And this is largely irrelevant in many cases, because they are using CMS systems. It's their CHOICE to "attach a PDF" rather than merely type the information into (in ma

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On 11 June 2011 11:30, Paul Sutton wrote: > Perhaps we need more people in schools to help out who can actually do > web design and help out without charging hundreds of pounds for the job. > nProblem is most people out of college may not have these skills, I have > seen web design courses advert

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On 11/06/11 11:01, Sean Miller wrote: > I think schools have a lot to answer for... they're supposed to be > educational establishments, yet they seem to fundamentally misunderstand > the whole concept of the web... > > PDFs are fine, for documents that need to be printed consistently (eg. > poste

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I think schools have a lot to answer for... they're supposed to be educational establishments, yet they seem to fundamentally misunderstand the whole concept of the web... PDFs are fine, for documents that need to be printed consistently (eg. posters for school events) but ALL other information (w

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On 11/06/11 09:32, Mark Fraser wrote: Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or PPT format both old and new with the help section

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On 11/06/11 09:40, Alan Pope wrote: > On 11 June 2011 09:32, Mark Fraser wrote: >> Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - >> https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to >> other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or

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On 11 June 2011 09:32, Mark Fraser wrote: > Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - > https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to > other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or > PPT format both old and new with the h

[ubuntu-uk] School websites

Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or PPT format both old and new with the help section giving links to viewers? I've tried